Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikidata/Archive 1

Archive 1

List of automated data streams

Thank you for creating this project. It would be cool to have a list of automated data streams from Wikipedia to Wikidata, meaning a list of bots / scripts which copy / move data from Wikipedia to Wikidata. E.g. my bot KasparBot moves {{Authority control}} information every night to Wikidata. This can be confusing for new or in this field inexperienced users. What do you think? What could such a list look like? -- T.seppelt (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@T.seppelt: I'd suggest starting it on a sub page, and seeing what develops. Be Bold! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:16, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Merge lists of people knowing WD ?

@-revi, Addshore, AmaryllisGardener, Delusion23, Caliburn, HakanIST, Izno, Jared Preston, Jasper Deng, Jdforrester, John Vandenberg, Jon Harald Søby, Legoktm, and Moe Epsilon: Can we merge Wikipedia:Wikidata/Wikidatans with Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikidata/Participants ? Snipre (talk) 20:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

New project

Excellent idea. Charles Matthews I suspect will find this very useful for coordinating. A series of lists can be drawn up under this project on missing content and what needs doing etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

• I find wikidata completely confusing in its implementation but I understand its usefulness. Please help those of us who are not tech-savvy implement this. Also explain how to get rid of completely bizarre things in wikidata. Montanabw^(talk) 19:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

  @Montanabw: Please provide a list of "completely bizarre things": this will help us to see where the problems are. Thanks Snipre (talk) 14:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• • The worst one seems better now (the definition of cattle). Mostly, I sometimes see weird stuff that appears to be English written by a non-English speaker. Where I see it, I will ping you. Montanabw^(talk) 04:30, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Source of truth

I don't quite understand what should be used as the source of truth for data. Is it templates that should fetch wikidata for displaying or wikidata should fetch data from templates? For example, Template:Wikidata image suggests that we should monitor a special category with data that is not in the template but is in the wikidata --Vanuan (talk) 16:33, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

WP:Wikidata twice?

Can someone convince me why there exist both Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikidata and Wikipedia:Wikidata? How does that help me? -DePiep (talk) 20:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Documentation

I am starting to program templates to use Wikidata :-) But I am having difficulties gathering Wikidata documentation. Only by chance do I find useful pages. Is there an approach or page I am missing? (Impressions at d:Wikidata are that it is self-centered, that is: describing Wikidata itself, not its enwiki interaction). -DePiep (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, yeah, probbaly Wikidata lacks some documentation, so you should ask specific questions. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 04:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Q-ID from any page?

Is it possible to get the Q-ID for (say) Apollo 11 from any article page? Sure it can be expensive (and that's even before I use that Q-ID expensively). -DePiep (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Via Lua - no, currently you can't. Javascript - yes, you can. I'm not showing you how, because you probably are intrested in Lua :D --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 04:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Clear, thx. Will have to work with straight Q-ID then. And indeed, Javascript is not my cup of tea. Coffee. -DePiep (talk) 11:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Does every article have a QID?

Is there some guarantee that every enwiki article page has a QID? Or should I test, to categorize "Has a d:item"/"Without d:item"? -DePiep (talk) 15:22, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@DePiep: There is no guarantee. Some articles are not connected to Wikidata items. See Special:UnconnectedPages. -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Searchlink into Wikidata

In an infobox, I can detect that there is no item in Wikidata for that page. To improve the data (e.g., add new d:item or move en:article title), the editor can search Wikidata at d:Special:Search. My question is, can I compose an URL that performs that search on WIkidata in one go? The link would show instead of the regular 'go to Wikidata' link.

Example: [[Bar Foo]] exists at en:wiki, but not at wd (no item, no QID). The URL would need to open: [1]. Details: {{URL}} forbids text legible addition (after-the-space text), we'd like to have that available. Also, the Wikidata search page mentions other search options (Special:ItemByTitle, Special:ItemDisambiguation). Should I research those, in case they might be more useful? -DePiep (talk) 08:43, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@DePiep: The search for your example is d:Special:Search/Bar Foo. I don't think ItemByTitle would be useful, but d:Special:ItemDisambiguation/en/Bar Foo might be. — JJMC89 (T·C) 22:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

That obvious. (Do I look as stupid as I feel now?) thx. -DePiep (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Categories for deletion

Users who follow this page may be interested in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 December 21#Category:Commons category with page title same as on Wikidata. --Izno (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The same user has also nominated this Wikidata-generated list for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of female Egyptologists. – Joe (talk) 10:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

New York skyscrapers (O'Keeffe) that links up to several wikidata entries

Hello,

I created New York skyscrapers (O'Keeffe) about a group of paintings made my Georgia O'Keeffe. There are several wikipedia entries, such as East River from the Shelton Hotel (QQ19921177).

Since I can only link to one article in wikidata, I created a redirect page East River from the Thirtieth Story of the Shelton Hotel and added the {{wikidata redirect}} template, but I'm unable to add that wikipedia page to the wikidata record. Every time I try, it changes the value in "edit" to New York skyscrapers (O'Keeffe). I looked at existing pages that use the template, like Human abdomen, and they seem to work fine.

I tried to find more information on the WP Help page, the wikidata help page, and tried the two relevant chat help places (noone answered for #wikidata) and I'm totally lost. For some reason wikidata is confusing for me.

Am I going about this in the wrong way? Or, perhaps I missed a step?

Thanks so much!—CaroleHenson (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: You cannot add an interwiki link to a Wikidata item when that interwiki link is a redirect. There are some ways around that, but none "officially" supported by the Wikidata software. Why are you trying to do what you're doing? --Izno (talk) 01:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Izno,

There are more than 100 of wikidata entries for Georgia O'Keeffe works of art... and I've created "group" articles that mention the paintings, etc. as identified in that section of the {{Georgia O'Keeffe}} template. Since she's made more than 2000 paintings, it seemed like a smart way to tackle new articles for O'Keeffe rather than creating a ton of new articles. It looks like there are a number of wikidata entries about flower paintings, which I have just started.

So, I thought it would be nice to create a link from wikidata to Wikipedia for articles, like East River from the Thirtieth Story of the Shelton Hotel and another wikidata entry for New York skyscrapers, the flower paintings, etc.—CaroleHenson (talk) 01:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata introduction being recorded

There will be a mw:Tech Talk on Wikidata from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. California time tomorrow (9 Feburary 2017), which is 19:00 to 22:00 UTC. You can watch it live at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrAx3AmUvA or any time after that.

This is a gentle, friendly introduction to Wikidata and why Wikipedia editors should be interested in it. As this will be recorded, I think that it would probably be a useful link to provide to editors who are interested in learning about Wikidata. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Now on Commons:

• Video at File:A Gentle Introduction to Wikidata for Absolute Beginners (including non-techies!).webm
  • What Wikidata is (00:00), how to contribute new data to Wikidata (1:09:34), how to create an entirely new item on Wikidata (1:27:07), how to embed data from Wikidata into pages on other wikis (1:52:54), tools like the Wikidata Game (1:39:20), Article Placeholder (2:01:01), Reasonator (2:54:15) and Mix-and-match (2:57:05), and how to query Wikidata (including SPARQL examples) (starting 2:05:05).
• Slide deck at File:Wikidata - A Gentle Introduction for Complete Beginners (WMF February 2017).pdf

WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:57, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Add link to Wikidata search results

Please comment here -> MediaWiki_talk:Wdsearch.js#Add_link_to_search. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 09:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Category:Coordinates on Wikidata has been nominated for discussion

Category:Coordinates on Wikidata has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Ideas for revival of this wikiproject

I am inviting ideas for revival of this wikiproject. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 17:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

gendered categories

I mentioned Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikidata at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Revisiting_gendered_categories:_Let's_have_a_clear_criterion_of_"has_or_can_have_a_proper_article" ... (how do you ping a project?) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Rowing Category Question

I did some editing on Ulrike Sennewald and a category was on the page called "FISA ID same as Wikidata". It was hidden once the page saved (which I think is how it's supposed to behave). Is there anything I need to do with/to the page because of this category? Red Fiona (talk) 23:41, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Red Fiona: No, you don't need to do anything. It is a tracking category added by {{FISA}}. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:26, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I might join this group in the future.

Just want to make a post here so I can remember. I recently got involved with Wikidata because of the Portuguese Wikipedia, so I'll see what I can do to use Wikidata more often in the English Wikipedia. User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 05:30, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Template akin to Commons to link article users to the corresponding WIkidata page

Is there a template akin to {{Commons}} that could be placed in an external links section to link WP article readers to the corresponding Wikidata page? I can see a few templates at Category:Wikidata templates that I could use, but I must be issing the best one to use. Thanks. --papageno (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

No, I think at this point the community consensus is that the link at the panel on the left is sufficient. Creation of such template and inserting it into articles will likely create unnecessary tensions. We already have some community members who, while generally behaving reasonably, can not stand to the same standard if they see the word "wikidata".--Ymblanter (talk) 06:06, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done Oh for heaven's sake , I hadn't even noticed the Wikidata links on the left panel. That will do just fine! --papageno (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Qui1che I guess I'm late to the party, but you can add Template:Authority control to most articles. This will create a link to wikidata below the article. See the bottom of the article Dom Pedro II, for example. User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 21:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Italicized infobox titles please

In trying to italicize the infobox title at The Education of Henry Adams I noticed it was a wikidata page and couldn't be italicized from English Wikipedia. Can a coder fix the code at Wikidata so italics on inbox titles of books and other pertinent pages coming over from Wikidata are italicized? Thanks. I also noticed an easy way to italicize an entire Wikipedia page is to put a set of italics brackets around the Wikidata code, which shouldn't be easy in the first place. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Retrieving GA/FA status from Wikidata

Is it possible to create a template that retrieves GA/FA status ("badges") from Wikidata? For example, by using {{MyTemplate|Oxygen}} I can display an icon depending on the FA/GA status of Oxygen. HaEr48 (talk) 03:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata

Discussion about this category, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata external IDs in Wikipedia

Dear Project Members,

I proposed a new template which integrates Wikidata external IDs in Wikipedia to channel in reliable sources as further readings - please weigh in on the idea if you have the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)?fbclid=IwAR1jjICvpWSSSqYwzT9IsSjMJxfZ7-vLoGjE2U4BB_zPVTg8EJSQ0qylqHQ#A_new_use_for_Wikidata_external_IDs_in_Wikipedia_(template)

Best, Adam Harangozó (talk) 17:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Module:Citeq listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Module:Citeq to be moved to Module:Cite Q. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 01:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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Unpatrolled Wikidata changes rendered immediately at Wikipedia

There is currently a discussion going on at Wikidata that folks here may be interested in commenting on. In brief: a vandal's change to the "description" field at the Wikidata Gay (Q592) item showed up immediately as the "short description" at the top of Wikipedia's Gay article.

Although it affects Wikipedia, the locus of the problem appears to be Wikidata, so the discussion is being hosted there. Your feedback would be appreciated at WD:CHAT. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Scholia and the reader

I've seen {{Scholia}} added to an article on my watchlist and I suggest that it needs to be made more reader-friendly. See, and join, discussion at Template talk:Scholia. PamD 08:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Connecting Wikipedia articles to reliable sources through new template

Hi All,

Please have a look at my proposal and contribute with your opinions: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Connecting_Wikipedia_articles_to_reliable_sources_through_new_template

Thanks, Adam Harangozó (talk) 14:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata-Powered Templates in a Wikipedia Sandbox

The Last Supper
Artist	Leonardo da Vinci
Year	1490s (Julian)
Movement	High Renaissance
Dimensions	700 cm (280 in) × 880 cm (350 in)
Location	Santa Maria delle Grazie, Italy
Website	cenacolovinciano.org

Hi everyone -- Do you know if it's possible to draft Wikidata-powered templates in a Wikipedia sandbox? Whenever I have tried, I am unable to have the template pull data from Wikidata to fill in the template. It just defaults to filling it out manually. I'd like to be able to demonstrate this resource to newer editors in a teaching capacity, but it would make me feel a lot better if they could draft these templates in a sandbox before publishing them live on an article's page. Does anyone know of another way to do this? Thanks in advance! Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:About the sandbox lists the general template sandboxes. The Module:Sandbox naming style (Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Sandbox) has also crept tentatively into template space (Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Sandbox). Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Will (Wiki Ed): It depends which templates specifically you're wanting to use, but many have a |qid= that can be used to generate a template based on a specific QID. See example above. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:58, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Cabayi: @Nikkimaria: Thanks so much, you two. These comments were both extremely helpful. I appreciate the quick response. I think it's tricky because it's so inconsistent from template to template what will show up. The |qid= approach should work great for what I'm aiming to do. Thanks for that example! Thanks again! Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Foreign language article titles

There's a template edit request at Template talk:Expand language to have the text of {{Expand language}} altered so that the text doesn't always refere to an article on the German wiki. Izno has implemented a fix in the sandbox, but it seems to me we ought to be able to go all the way and explicitly link to the source article without manual intervention. Given that the template's usage specifies the wiki that the en-wiki article was copied from, and the left-hand panel includes the interwiki links to the other language articles, it would seem trivial to get the title of the original article. Or so I thought. I've tried

* {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }}

to get the Qid as a starting point for the rest of the code. And using Spanish (es) as a sample language to get the code right before trying it on the template, I've tried the following with varying degrees of failure...

* {{Label | {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }} | es }}
* {{Label | {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }} | 'es' }}
* {{LinkedLabel | {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }} | es }}
* {{LinkedLabel | {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }} | 'es' }}
* {{#invoke:Wikibase | {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }} | es }}
* {{#invoke:Wikibase | {{#invoke:Wikibase | id }} | 'es' }}
* {{#invoke:Page|es}} 
* {{#invoke:Page|'es'}}

How do we get the title of the equivalent article in another language? Any ideas, pretty please? Cabayi (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Cabayi: Template:Expand language does not seem to support any sort of Wikidata access. Are looking for the Wikidata label or the article title stored at Wikidata as a sitelink:

• {{#invoke:WikidataIB|getLabel|qid=Q260080|lang=zh}} → 角色扮演遊戲製作大師
• {{#invoke:WikidataIB|getSiteLink|qid=Q260080|wiki=zhwiki}} → RPG製作大師

If you want to actually link to an article by WD sitelink title you need to create a link. If it is not at the current wiki this means either an external link to an interwiki link. —Uzume (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata in sidebar for Monobook

The Wikidata link in the sidebar has disappeared for Monobook users. See WP:VPT#Lost WikiData link in the Tools section. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Should be fixed soon, see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_181#Lost_WikiData_link_in_the_Tools_section. Yellowcard (talk) 09:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Something broken in Template:Infobox book/wikidata; suggestion for

Hi there! I've been exploring how to best use wikidata infoboxes, and I noticed that Template:Infobox book/wikidata looks broken. In addition, I had a small suggestion at the organization infobox template. I'm unfamiliar with how to deal with these details, so I figured I'd mention them here. Jlevi (talk) 02:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Question about Wikidata module

 You are invited to join the discussion at Module talk:Wd § Seeking newest value, rather than current value. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Making author names imported from Wikidata references display as "Last, First" rather than "First Last"

 You are invited to join the discussion at wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat § "Last, First" for references rather than "First Last". {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:44, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata:Eighth Birthday/24-hours meetup

In case somebody has not seen this, in a few hours the Wikidata birthday online meetup starts. In particular, tomorrow at 13:00 UTC I will be co-facilitating a counter-vandalism session, and everybody who can make it is welcome. The issue of vandalism on Wikidata is particularly significant for the English Wikipedia, and, whereas coming there with the attitude "Wikidata is evil" probably would not be appropriate (this is a birthday party after all, not a court session), reasonable criticism and questions (and obviously answers) will be welcome.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Help with US Public laws?

Could someone give me a hand figuring out how to leverage Wikidata for US Public Laws? Please take a look at the discussion over at Talk:List of acts of the 116th United States Congress#How_can_we_use/levarage_wikidata?. If this is not the right place to ask for this kind of assistance, could you please point me in the right place? Thank you! jhawkinson (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

SPARQL in Modules

User:Tinker Bell stated:

"Also, in the future SPARQL queries will be available for Scribunto modules"

When/how is the status on this?

--Lectrician1 (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Basically indefinite hold. The closest thing today is ListeriaBot. --Izno (talk) 18:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Encourage and switch raw Infobox data to to Wikidata

I notice that popular templates like Template:Infobox company's documentation indicate that Wikidata is supposed to be used a fallback, and that data that you know should still be inputted as arguments.

This seems a bit counterintuitive to the purpose of Wikidata. It also makes me, a Wikidata editor and Wikipedia Infobox Wikidata converter, feel like what I'm doing is pointless.

If people are still recommended to input raw information into infoboxes, then some data that they input might not be present on Wikidata. And that means that someone else is going to have come around manually add that data and it's reference to Wikidata.

Clearly, the best situation would be everyone that adds information and references to Wikidata and the data then shows up on Wikipedia in all parameters. That way all data is linked on Wikidata with appropriate items, can be used by other language Wikis (I think this is a really strong point), and is referenced.

But unfortunately this does not happen. Yes, we have bots that copy data from infoboxes to Wikidata, but that isn't set up or running for every type of infobox. Also, it shouldn't be needed. We should just have editors edit Wikidata and we wouldn't ever have to worry about it.

What I propose

• Encourage editors to add statements for appropriate Infobox parameters on Wikidata so that they can simply just use the Infobox template and not have to fill in any parameters.
• Create a Wikiproject/process of deleting raw-text Wikidata-backed arguments currently in Infoboxes so that they use Wikidata. This is to demonstrate what parameters have documented Wikidata, show that they are referenced, and encourage editors who see the Wikidata to continue using it.
  I'm aware this is quite radical, but I'd really like Wikidata to be of use and "linked", and not just replaced by duplicate work.
  Another solution could be just to have Wikidata override raw-text values or maybe just make it so that raw-text values can't even be used anymore (the template parameter would not even be used). See (Extra) solution below how Wikipedia editors could add this Wikidata easily.
• (Extra) Maybe develop an indicator on infoboxes or some sort of process or program that makes adding statements for infobox parameters easier for Wikipedia editors. For example, an edit icon on a parameter that does not have Wikidata, but whose statement could be added by clicking on the icon.
  If that parameter has a raw text value, maybe it could be highlighted red to indicate it's not on Wikidata. An edit icon could be next to that as well that leads to Wikidata, and maybe even copies the data to Wikidata.

--Lectrician1 (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

• Perennial answer to perennial question: No. The WP.en community has some serious issues with exporting information from Wikidata. This is a non-starter. Blueboar (talk) 15:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

To expand... it is unreasonable to expect editors to go to a sister project (a completely different website from their perspective) in order to make edits to pages in this project.

The entire point of WP is that anyone can edit an article they are reading simply by clicking an edit button, typing in the change desired, and hitting “publish”... your proposal adds multiple steps to that simple process.

Then there is the intimidation factor. Just to give some personal bits of feedback... I have looked at WD, and often can not figure out how to even find the information I am looking for. I don’t understand how a typical WD page is set up, nor how to navigate it (and forget trying to navigate between related WD pages). Perhaps the problem is on my end - I am very text oriented, and not at all data oriented... the point is that the way WD is set up, it is extremely intimidating to work with (enough so, that I simply do not feel comfortable editing it). If I were required to go over to WD to make changes at WP, I would no longer be able to edit WP. WP would (for me) cease to be an encyclopedia that anyone (ie me) can edit. So again, for me it is a non-starter as it goes against the basic premise of WP.Blueboar (talk) 15:49, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Blueboar: "...it is unreasonable to expect editors to go to a sister project (a completely different website from their perspective) in order to make edits to pages in this project." What's about Commons ? Snipre (talk) 20:36, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I think that is unreasonable as well... I have, at times, wanted to add images to articles - but because I find commons confusing to deal with, I have stopped trying. Blueboar (talk) 23:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

But you have no problems editing infoboxes, right? --SCIdude (talk) 09:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, in other Wikipedias it is working fair well. WP editors can edit Wikidata. However, the question are whether they want or they need. It would be very helpful to point which infoboxes are outdated because of not using Wikidata. That was the biggest problem Wikidata solved in other wikis (like cawiki). However, this problem may not exist in enwiki or at least be maneable enough.

In summary: WP editors are used to the way WP works, and it works fine for them. If you want to convince them to switch to using Wikidata you need to show them which WP problems it will solve - if any.--Pere prlpz (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support limited experiments or pilots This definitely will happen in the future. When it happens if it is rushed, the transition will be unfortunate and unhappy. The sooner pilots happen and the more years that the English Wikipedia community can discuss them, the more that the English Wikipedia community will be able to set rules, establish norms, and advocate for itself. Anyone who absolutely advocates that Wikidata will never happen on English Wikipedia is in error, because with the Wikimedia Foundation pouring 10s of millions of dollars into this every year perpetually and the English Wikipedia community having a budget of $0 to advocate for itself, there is an inevitability to this. Instead of saying "no", I advocate for anyone in the English Wikipedia community to set the precedent of strict terms and demands which are favorable to volunteers, while also allowing a limited number of infobox experiments in for grading and criticism. If there is no pilot, then when the forced rollout happens, then the community here will be unprepared. Right now this is a community decision but the future may not request community input of the sort which is possible now. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata redirects

The discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canoeing and kayaking could benefit from some Wikidata expert input: it was a "Wikidata redirect" to Canoeing, was overwritten as a set index/dab page, is now up for deletion, and my attempt to revert it to the redirect was reverted on the basis that the target article only covered half the subject. PamD 11:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

External links to library resources: RfC

A Request for Comment on external links to library resources, which relates to this project, has started: Wikipedia talk:External links#RfC: External links to library resources. Opinions, knowledge, and suggestions are sought. Please join in. SilkTork (talk) 10:36, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata-Wikipedia integration Community Wishlist Survey proposals

I have created 2 proposals relating to Wikidata-Wikipedia integration for the Community Wishlist Survey that you can vote on to possibly implement them. I would appreciate if you vote for them!

• Tool to add Wikidata to an article
• Automated page protector Lectrician1 (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

• Strongly opposed. We have repeatedly rejected linking to Wikidata in Wikipedia articles, yet for some reason the WD fans keep trying. It seems they just can not accept “No” for an answer. It is becoming perennial. The two projects are simply incompatible. Blueboar (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

  @Blueboar These proposals were created with the intent of solving the very problems you have repeatedly said are causing Wikidata to be incompatible with Wikipedia. Have you looked through them? Lectrician1 (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Bulk edits to wikidata

Background: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JarrahTree&diff=1044248585&oldid=1044096709, User talk:Mitch Ames#so fix it

There are apparently many (500+) Wikiprojects that have a {{short description}}, imported from Wikidata, of "Wikimedia subject-area collaboration". However Wikipedia:WikiProjects are specifically "to improve Wikipedia", not Wikimedia. I could use WP:AWB to change the the Wikipedia project pages to say "Wikipedia", but as JarrahTree suggests at User talk:Mitch Ames#so fix it, we should probably fix the Wikidata entries. AWB appears not to support Wikidata, so how might one change all of the Wikidata entries? Mitch Ames (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm working on this using QuickStatements. ― Qwerfjkltalk 10:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames:  Done with [2]. ― Qwerfjkltalk 11:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Tracking Per Parameter of Templates integrated with Wikidata

Has anyone explored integration metrics or tools to look at Wikidata coverage of associated template parameters? The category Category:Templates using data from Wikidata helps to track if a Template relies on Wikidata and there is a per parameter template for tracking value intersections with Wikdata values with Template:WikidataCheck, but what about measure of coverage per template?

I'm interested in a presentation of existing Templates integrating Wikidata ie Category:Templates using data from Wikidata (to start) to get an overview of opportunities of where improvements in templates and Wikidata integration could be pursued. Tracking progress periodically could give metrics of adoption of Wikidata and for cross Wikipedia and Wikidata integration adoption. After tackling tracking of existing Templates currently relying on Wikidata it may be worth creating a category for with parameters with potential Wikidata integration.

Example table headers to begin monitoring (if something similar does not exist currently).

Template name	Number of parameters	# of parameters using Wikidata	# of parameters not in scope of Wikidata	# of Wikidata parameters with Template:WikidataCheck	# of in scope parameters missing Template:WikidataCheck	Net change in supported parameters	Last update

The value in this is to identify cases where Templates adopt Wikidata, but lack tracking categories exposed on EN Wikipedia for maintenance. Such as Template:C-SPAN adopting Wikidata in 2019, but not tracking the corresponding value in Wikidata and over 6,000 entries were not in Wikidata for P2190.

This parameter tracking could be an extension of Category:Templates tracking Wikidata with finer resolution counting the parameters of the template and if that parameter implements Template:WikidataCheck.

Discussion Prompts

How would a template editor exempt a parameter from Wikidata's scope vs being treated as missing?

Should there be an parameter to exclude parameters from tracking as potential integrations with Wikidata or should another approach be used?

Does tracking per parameter sound like something this project would find valuable?

What modifications or other considerations might be warranted? Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Also tracking like this could include or extend Template:EditAtWikidata. Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Centralize this talk page?

Can we make this talk page redirect to Wikipedia talk:Wikidata? They seem to have duplicate scopes. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd agree that merging thre two is probably sensible given the high sccope overlap and relatively low discussion volume here. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 04:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)