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What's broken?Edit

Hi SilkTork, noticed you had to do this - can you elaborate on what is broken, as it must be broken for everyone else then? — xaosflux Talk 16:03, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I can't see the editnotice (Group notice / Page notice) on article space anymore. I wondered if it was me. I found it useful to put in language notices in the page notice, such as at Beer: [1], but now if I go to articles I can't edit page notice anymore - the link is no longer there (unless there is already a page notice, as there is with Beer). See [2], etc. SilkTork (talk) 16:12, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Arb / FramEdit

I know I come across as a grumpy bastard (which I am, of course), but thank you for being one of the few Arbs who took the time to discuss and explain your reasons and rationales, even if I didn't agree with them all. - SchroCat (talk) 06:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Thankyou. It is the nature of ArbCom that almost all decisions will be disagreeable to somebody - including at times other members of the Committee. I do think that explaining decisions should be part of the process. It helps me as well, especially as if there are flaws in my reasoning they can be identified and pointed out to me. SilkTork (talk) 08:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure there were necessarily flaws in your reasoning, but just that the conclusions you drew from the facts you knew differed from the opinions I drew from the facts I knew. Both of us were, therefore 'correct' in the opinion, but were working from different starting points. Either way, kudos to you for being open to discussion and to being flexible enough to change your position from time to time. I see you've retired from ArbCom: enjoy not being in the locus of criticism and grief, and I hope you have time to pop another article or two through GA or even FA. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

SilkTork, thank you for your hard work. I can only imagine how difficult this has been for all of you, and I appreciate the time and energy you all spent on this. --valereee (talk) 13:47, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

My deepest thanks, and respect, to you. I remember that you said recently that you had come to feel like you didn't have the right temperament to be on ArbCom. In one fish's opinion, you actually have shown yourself to be just the kind of person I want to see on ArbCom. You have shown an excellent willingness to engage with the community, and to consider, and reconsider, various perspectives. But I can certainly appreciate that you would prefer to step back from all of the stresses. I wish you the best, and look forward to continuing to see you around the wiki. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:41, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks, though I don't feel very positive about my participation on ArbCom this year. I think I could have done better, and I certainly wish I had. SilkTork (talk) 13:56, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
For what it's worth, many of us are our own worst critics. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
  • SilkTork, I don't think you have anything to reproach yourself for whatsoever. You are not the only one to have left the Committee this year; some will be missed while with some there may have been a sigh of relief. You will be missed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

mention of you at WP:ARCAEdit

I've made a clarification request there and while I've not named you as a party I did mention your name as it grew out of the discussion we had on my talk page about clerking, so this is a courtesy notice letting you know. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I think, given the sort of pushback there has been at times regarding the organisation of ArbCom talkpages, that some clarity as to how they are organised, formatted, maintained, and kept orderly is appropriate. SilkTork (talk) 13:53, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Eastleigh meetupEdit

It was nearly five years ago, and I couldn't make it, but see m:Meetup/English South Coast 1. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:08, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I wanted to go to that, but I couldn't make it. Be interesting to see if there is any interest in doing a South Coast 2 somewhere. There's Portsmouth, Southampton, Bournemouth, Dorchester, Exeter, Plymouth, Brighton, Hastings, Eastbourne and Dover to choose from! Might be fun to turn up at a Wetherspoon in one of those places every two or three months and see who turns up. Would you be interested in doing that with me? Perhaps have some form of Wikipedia poster/banner/tea towel made up to identify the table, and advertise there's a meeting going on. Invite discussion, and perhaps new members. SilkTork (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
My budget doesn't stretch to much travelling these days, it's over six months since I last got to London. The person to ask about banners is KTC (talk · contribs), whilst Philafrenzy (talk · contribs) is keen to get new meetups started. Others to try include Thryduulf (talk · contribs), Whispyhistory (talk · contribs) and Geni (talk · contribs). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Thryduulf has one of those old Wikimedia UK tabletop banner. I would imagine that's the case with a few other editors as well. -- KTC (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
There were two meetups in Portsmouth in 2014 - m:Meetup/Portsmouth/1 and m:Meetup/Portsmouth/2 (apparently I was at both of them, but I only have 1 in my memory!). From those pages it's worth pinging Brammers, JuneGloom07 and Leutha (CT Cooper has retired). Thryduulf (talk) 19:49, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Heya, I'm no longer an active Wikimedian – mostly it's just checking my watchlist and occasional rvv these days. Best of luck with South Coast 2! Brammers (talk/c) 21:00, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
There was also a meetup in Plymouth but in the event only myself and HJ Mitchell (i.e. the organisers) attended. Thryduulf (talk) 19:51, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) You'd probably have a better chance of getting a decent attendance if rather than hold it somewhere like Portsmouth or Brighton that would be extremely convenient for some people but a nightmare for anyone not in the immediate area, you instead hold it somewhere like Reading, Exeter, Basingstoke or even Crawley/Gatwick that has a lot of roads, railways and bus routes converging. The Manchester meetups are consistently well-attended not because we have a particularly active community in Manchester (despite Jimbo's "Mancs dominate the wiki" meme, I could probably count the active editors there on one hand) but because Manchester is cheap and easy to get to from a lot of other places so it draws in people from across the northwest, Wales, Midlands and Yorkshire. ‑ Iridescent 20:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for responding. I should have remembered the specifics on that one. Maybe it's selective memory - but more likely age I think. I have to admit that I had mixed thoughts on that one. That "super skerit" evidence and all. Haha. Anyway - thanks again, and Cheers. — Ched (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I've not quite left the house yet, so just caught your message. Yes, the "super sekrit" evidence is all here on Wikipedia, but we got caught up in rules and procedures which made it very hard to reference it or apply it. A public RfA was really the best option to deal with the situation. SilkTork (talk) 06:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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