Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Failed log/2020

Quentin Tarantino edit

Quentin Tarantino is an American film director, screenwriter, producer, and actor. His films are characterized by nonlinear storylines, aestheticization of violence, extended scenes of dialogue, ensemble casts, references to popular culture and a wide variety of other films, soundtracks primarily containing songs and score pieces from the 1960s to the 1980s, alternate history, and features of neo-noir film.

Quentin Tarantino

8 articles

Quentin Tarantino filmography

Reservoir Dogs

Inglourious Basterds

List of accolades received by Inglourious Basterds

Django Unchained

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

Grindhouse (film)

I am nominating director Quentin Tarantino as a good topic since many of his films have reached good-article status, along with his filmography, and his film's Inglourious Basterds accolade list as they have both reached featured-list status. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Director Comment - there are numerous articles missing from this topic. Pulp Fiction isn't even here. GamerPro64 21:17, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: As Gamer points out, there are lots of Tarantino's notable films left out of the current proposal, and a GT/FT proposal can't cherry pick only article that happen to currently be at high quality. More fundamentally, the inclusion of Quentin Tarantino filmography makes this into an overview topic proposal and means that the proposal need not include any articles at all about his individual films, since they're all covered under that FL. If you could take the biography and filmography and add Featured List versions of List of awards and nominations received by Quentin Tarantino and Quentin Tarantino's unrealized projects, together with a GA/FA version of A Band Apart and maybe Rolling Thunder Pictures, then I think you'd have a G/FT to propose. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 00:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I suspect this is a case of misunderstanding the criteria for a FT/GT as "group together any articles relating to a topic which are at GA/FA status", which isn't how it works........... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this is exactly right. I didn't get the fact that most of the topic-related articles should of been FL/GA. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- So do you want to withdraw the nomnation? GamerPro64 00:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GamerPro64: Yes. I'm sorry for my lack of understanding of the criteria. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination Withdrawn - GamerPro64 02:34, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Smile at Me edit

Don't Smile at Me (stylized as dont smile at me) is the debut EP by American singer Billie Eilish. It was released on August 11, 2017, through Darkroom and Interscope Records. The majority of the material on the EP was written by Eilish and her brother Finneas, the latter of which solely handled production. It is an electropop record with elements of R&B and jazz.

Don't Smile at Me

12 articles

"Copycat"

"Idontwannabeyouanymore"

"My Boy"

"Watch"

"Party Favor"

"Bellyache"

"Ocean Eyes"

"Hostage"

"&Burn"

"Lovely"

"Bitches Broken Hearts"

Contributor(s): The Ultimate Boss

I am nominating this for a good topic after working hard on all of the articles and bringing them to GA status during quarantine and the start of the school year. --The Ultimate Boss (talk) 21:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: You've got the album and all the tracks, and they're all connected by the performer's navbox. I hate to stomp on your good work, but a topic about an album is typically expected to include the articles about any associated tours (in this case, Don't Smile at Me Tour and Where's My Mind Tour), tour films, video albums, etc. For some precedents, see e.g. Wikipedia:Featured topics/24K Magic, Wikipedia:Featured topics/In the Zone, Wikipedia:Featured topics/Title (Meghan Trainor album), and many others. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan Rutherford, the tour articles are nominated for deletion because lack of resources. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 23:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One of the articles already got the PROD removed. So until there will be actual nominations for deletions, there are still missing pieces for the topic. GamerPro64 23:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't matter if the articles were already deleted, or even if they had never existed; the topic is still incomplete without them. The tours are notable events, beyond dispute, and they fall within the scope of this topic. A good/featured topic isn't just "the articles about this topic that currently happen to GA/FA", nor is it "the articles about this topic that currently happen to exist"; criterion 1(d) requires that the topic have "no obvious gaps (missing or low-quality articles)", so "missing articles" about notable topics that fall within the scope of the proposal fail the nomination. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 00:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I was confused by The Ultimate Boss's actions until seeing this page in their recent contributions. The user nominated the article for GA twice in a row, but chose not to engage positively in any of the feedback given. The user now just tried to nominate it for PROD and then for GA in succession—presumably, the idea is that either outcome being accepted is the same as far as this topic nomination goes. I feel this should be noted here for full understanding by any users who wish to comment, but do not wish to act dismissively towards The Ultimate Boss' hard work on this topic in general. — Bilorv (talk) 00:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bilorv, you are stressing me out a lot! You are not in the position to decide to get rid of my GA nominations. If it’s an admin, then that’s fine. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let's continue this discussion on your talk page. — Bilorv (talk) 01:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking this nomination was started prematurely so I will be closing this as Not Promoted. Once the tour articles get made then it can have a leg to stand on. GamerPro64 05:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Off-season Atlantic hurricanes (5th supplemental nomination) edit

I know additions need nominations so I assume removals require them too? Anyways, I am renominating the topic to remove the recently merged Tropical Depression One (2009). Noah^Talk 20:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Not much to say about removing a merged article. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support no brainer. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Arthur and Bertha need to be brought up to GA before I can support this FTC.Jason Rees (talk) 23:14, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur has until December 10 to comply per the retention period listed. Bertha will have 3 months from the release of its TCR to become a GA. Noah^Talk 01:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Both of the TCRs are now out, as a result, I would strongly urge the @GamerPro64, Spy-cicle, and Sturmvogel 66: not to put this topic close this nomination until both articles are GA, in order to save us coming back in 3 months time.Jason Rees (talk) 21:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Tropical Storm Alpha is a set index article, 1925 Florida tropical storm doesn't have the template.--Jarodalien (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Alpha which was incorrect as the result of a page move last week. You are incorrect on the 1925 storm; it is listed on its talk page: 1925 Florida tropical storm is part of the Off-season Atlantic hurricanes series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so. Noah^Talk 16:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Director Comment - How much longer would everything be up to snuff here for the topic? GamerPro64 19:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- How longs a piece of string @GamerPro64:? Both TCRs are out, which means that the 3-month retention period has kicked in and they should be at GA or better by Christmas at the absolute latest.Jason Rees (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @GamerPro64: You might as well fail the nom as it doesn't meet the requirements expressed by Jason Rees. It is unreasonable to keep this open for months waiting for storms that have a retention period. Noah^Talk 22:47, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All right. For the time being we can fail this nom and come back around three months from now to renominate the articles for the topic. See you all then. GamerPro64 23:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Politics of Croatia edit

Politics of Croatia

9 articles

Government

Parliament

President

Elections

Independence referendum

Croatia–Serbia border dispute

Croatia–Bosnia relations

Croatia–Hungary relations

Contributor(s): Jon698 Tomobe03 Potočnik

Currently there are nine separate GA quality articles that involve Croatia politics that includes its independence referendum, its government, and some of its foreign relations. --Jon698 (talk) 00:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: This topic doesn't seem complete. Surely it should include Constitution of Croatia, as well as Judiciary of Croatia, neither of which is currently a GA? Counties of Croatia might also belong here (it's a FL). Likewise, if the topic is going to include Croatia's other neighbor relations, then it should also include Croatia–Serbia relations and Croatia–Slovenia relations (which aren't GAs), and if it's going to include Croatia–Serbia border dispute, then it also needs Croatia–Slovenia border disputes. Featured Topic Criterion 1(d) says that there must be "no obvious gaps (missing or low-quality articles) in the topic. A topic must not cherry pick only the best articles to become featured together." You can propose what you want the scope of the topic to be, but then all articles within that scope must exist and be GA or better. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 01:05, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy oppose I was about to thank you for your work on this having written my comments but the unfortunately retired User:Tomobe03 appears to have written all of these, not sure how you'll be able to respond to my suggestions... This is a poor selection of articles. Prime Minister of Croatia needs to be included since he's the primary political and government leader. Why have "Croatia-Bosnia relations" shown but piping to Agreement on Friendship and Cooperation between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia when there's literally Bosnia and Herzegovina–Croatia relations? And why Hungary but not Croatia–Serbia relations or Croatia–Slovenia relations? With such a broad topic there can be discretion in what's included toward being comprehensive (should the judiciary count in politics/government?) but this isn't well-defined. I'd say leave out foreign affairs altogether and make it on domestic politics, but besides PM you'd need at least Constitution of Croatia and probably Speaker of the Croatian Parliament. (duplicative comment using reply-link lol) Reywas92^Talk 01:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Agree with Bryan Rutherford and Reywas92 that the articles in this topic seem broad, random and incomplete. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 23:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the comment "Currently there are nine separate GA quality articles that involve Croatia politics" implies that the nominator is working under the misunderstanding that you can group together GAs relating to a topic and nominate them, even if they don't cover the whole of the topic, which unfortunately is definitely the case here....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closed with consensus not to promote to Good Topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 09:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Manuel Trujillo Durán edit

Good topic nomination for articles relating to Manuel Trujillo Durán: his article; two films credited to him; and major locations involved in his work. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Manuel Trujillo Durán

5 articles

Un célebre especialista sacando muelas en el gran Hotel Europa

Muchachos bañandose en la laguna de Maracaibo

Baralt Theatre

Hotel Europa

Oppose: Sorry, these are all fine articles, but I'm not seeing a topic. The two films' articles say that they are of unknown authorship, with Durán only one of a number of possible filmmakers. I can almost see the connection with the Baralt Theatre, but the Hotel Europa article doesn't even contain Durán's name. This group isn't a comprehensive set of all films made by him, much less his other photographic works, nor does it cover the magazine, newspaper, and exhibition hall he founded. In short, I feel that the nomination fails FT criterion 1(b), and it also objectively fails 1(c): "All articles or lists in the topic are linked together ... and share a common category or super-category": they're not all linked together, and there's no unifying category, because there's no defined topic scope. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanrutherford0: No, that's great, thanks for the input - I'm new to good topics, and the comprehensive explanation also really helps. Out of interest, I had been (before this one) considering nominating the Un célebre especialista... film as a topic with Trujillo, the theatre and the hotel in it, but I thought they were too weakly connected, is that also about right? And any ideas, beyond what you've listed above, on what would make up such topics? Kingsif (talk) 04:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per Bryanrutherford0 this is not a tightly connected topic, sorry especially since a lot of work went into the 5 articles. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus not to promote to good topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 16:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Christgau's record guides edit

Christgau's record guides are a series of decade-encompassing music reference books collecting album reviews by American music critic Robert Christgau, originally written mostly for his "Consumer Guide" column in The Village Voice. Published in three iterations spanning the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, they are popular and influential works in the fields of music journalism and popular music studies during the album era.

Christgau's Record Guide

3 articles

Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies

Christgau's Record Guide: The '80s

Christgau's Consumer Guide: Albums of the '90s

Contributor(s): isento

There are at least three articles of a clear similarity with no gap in covering the topic - the book series - which is summarized in their leads. Each article is of high quality, similar structure, and common infobox, which links them together for navigation. --isento (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Unfortunately, this proposal appears to me to fail more than one of the FT/GT Criteria. It fails criterion 1(c) by having no shared category, though it might make sense to create one and put them in. More importantly, it fails criterion 2 by having no top-level summary article. There would need to be a good/featured article about the series of record guides as a whole, indicating why the series as a whole was notable and citing coverage of the importance and impact of the series as a whole, to serve as the main article of this topic before it could be promoted. If such an article can be created and recognized as good, then this will be a credible nomination. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regretful oppose as per the above - this is certainly a group of articles, but it isn't a topic, because it has no overarching lead article on the topic as a whole -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I overlooked that aspect haha. Withdraw, then. isento (talk) 11:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination Withdrawn - GamerPro64 19:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020 edit

Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020

3 articles

Roxen

"Alcohol You"

Everything has been promoted to GA status. Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support: This feels like a bit of a reach, and it barely meets criterion 1(c): "All articles or lists in the topic are linked together, preferably using a template, and share a common category or super-category." I can support it. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Question - for GamerPro64 technically each article is listed in a seperate, but related navigation template, does that satisfy criteria "1(c)"? MPJ-DK (talk) 22:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Never got a ping for this. But to answer the question, I'm not entirely sure because I don't believe there is much precedent about this situation. GamerPro64 03:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This has stagnated for nearly three months. There is barely any comments here so I will be failing this nomination. GamerPro64 03:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Pitt edit

Brad Pitt is an American actor and film producer.

Brad Pitt

3 articles

Filmography

Awards and nominations

Contributor(s): ThinkBlue, FrB.TG, and CAPTAIN MEDUSA

This set of articles covers the entire topic about Brad Pitt. --~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 12:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Oppose: ~~I'm not seeing any existing topics on actors, so maybe there's no precedent for the scope;~~ this proposal seems comparable to the topics people have made about musicians, though. FT criterion 1(c) says the articles must "share a common category or super-category", and I'm not seeing one here. Maybe it makes sense to create a Category:Brad Pitt? Doing it right might require creating some subcategories and adding his various films and works, though... As noted below, Pitt's production company, Plan B, also seems pretty important to his notability at this point, too. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 13:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - comparing to Leonardo DiCaprio, a featured topic, Plan B Entertainment would need to be at least of GA quality. FrB.TG (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per FrB.TG. Plan B Entertainment would need to be at least at the GA level. Aoba47 (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closed with consensus not to promote. - GamerPro64 03:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apollo program edit

Apollo was the third human spaceflight program of the United States carried out by NASA, which succeeded in landing the first humans on the Moon from 1969 to 1972. Apollo conducted nine spaceflights to the Moon, six of which were Moon landings. Apollo spurred advances in many areas of technology incidental to rocketry and human spaceflight.

Apollo program

10 articles

Apollo 1

Apollo 16

Apollo 17

Contributor(s): JustinTime55, Soumya-8974

This set of articles covers the entire topic about the Apollo program and all of them are either GA or FA. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 08:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Feature Topic criterion 1(d) requires that there be "no obvious gaps (missing or low-quality articles) in the topic. A topic must not cherry pick only the best articles to become featured together." Maybe I'm missing something, but surely this topic needs Apollo 7, Apollo 10, Apollo 12 and Apollo 14? Even then it would only be the crewed flights in the program; to actually cover the topic "Apollo Program" it seems to me we'd also need at least Apollo 4, Apollo 5 and Apollo 6, and maybe some others. A G/FT isn't just "the articles on this topic that happen to currently be GA or FA". -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 12:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose; Bryan is correct. The unmanned missions are missing, but there's even more than that; a lot of articles on the Apollo hardware, plus topics like Apollo abort modes, etc. Where do we draw the line? Isn't the navbox Template:Apollo program a good place to start? Looks like a lot of work to get these to at least GA. JustinTime55 (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I have seen a dedicated community or editors who work on Apollo missions so I wouldn't be surprised if this nomination returned with the full set of missions. At the moment though, WP:Cherrypicking is not ok here. Aza24 (talk) 23:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Closed with consensus not to promote. - GamerPro64 03:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]