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Bob Hawke edit

Hi, my edit to Bob Hawke was to add a link to the notable historical event that Hawke attended (as noted in the caption). I’m not sure why this was reverted as vandalism. 159.196.100.171 (talk) 07:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

My apologies. I didn't realise the event was commonly referred to as "Apology to Australia's Indigenous peoples". I thought it was commonly referred to as "Apology to the Stolen Generations". Just looked at the page now and confirmed your edit was correct and I've self-reverted my edit. TarnishedPath^talk 08:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. :) 159.196.100.171 (talk) 20:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

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just saw your comment asking me to sign it

It seemed from time lining it that your comment to me came after it was closed, was only doing so because you asked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yestyest2000 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yestyest2000 I requested you sign before the RfC closed, not knowing that it was going to be closed not long after. TarnishedPath^talk 08:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Moira Deeming page

I have previously tried to correct inaccuracies on the page relating to the above person. The changes were to correct inaccuracies. Almost the next day this changes were reversed. You have asked me to talk to you before changing anything else. So here goes. The first paragraph suggest she was at an "an anti-trans rally". This is not true. it was a rally in favour of biologically based sex rights. It further says Ne0Nazis attended this rally. They did not. It was a separate rally close to but not part of the rally Moira Deeming was attending. These factually inaccurate points are repeated in the Anti-Trans rally section of her Wikipedia entry. These entries slyly seek to suggest Ms. Deeming is in some way linked to Neo-Nazi groups. I would appreciate if these false claims were removed or I can remove them and you can then if you not allow these slurs to be repeated. Many thanks for your time. Clanrickard (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Clanrickard, I invited you to discuss the topic at Talk:Moira Deeming. That is the appropriate place for such a discussion to take place. However to answer your request, Wikipedia follows what reliable sources say. If you edit in the way that you suggest you are going to then I can guarantee that you will have people reverting you because what you plan on doing is contrary to what is conveyed in reliable sources. If you believe other editors and my reading of reliable sources is incorrect, please feel free to discuss it in the article's talk page. TarnishedPath^talk 11:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Untrue. The statement that Neo-Nazis attended the rally she was at has NO references backing it up which is required for a Wiki entry. At the very least if you are going to allow this to stay then I should be able include Deemings rebuttal that these Neo-Nazis had nothing to do with the rally she was attending. Clanrickard (talk) 11:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

There was only one rally, which the neo-nazis attended. The reliable sources do not reference multiple rallies like your edits claimed. Now again if you think other editors and myself are misinterpreting the sources, the article's talk page found at Talk:Moira Deeming is the appropriate forum to discuss it as it could be anyone who will revert you if you make the changes that you suggest you will. I've already called your attention to the article's talk page previously so I heavily suggest you take any content discussions there. TarnishedPath^talk 12:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I have done so. And no these Neo-Nazis were not at the same rally. This is a wilful misinterpretation of the facts. I have put up a post in the Talk page so hopefully my suggestions will be taken on board. Clanrickard (talk) 16:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:OUTING

You may want to revise your links and comments about the photographer on the ET article, to be careful not to be afoul of WP:OUTING. VQuakr (talk) 23:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@VQuakr, thanks for the advice. Does this apply given that there username is their real name? TarnishedPath^talk 23:35, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure. Caution is advised because that policy and the related items that the section links are taken very seriously, but at the same time I tried to phrase my post above in a way that made clear I understood that harassment isn't your intent here. As I noted in my reply in the article talk page, the suggestion that the photo creator's affiliation or political views somehow makes the photo unusable, is not correct. So there isn't a great reason to be including those links at all. VQuakr (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I get you. I did read an exception in that policy about where an editor has identified themselves but I've removed the links that were there out of caution anyway. TarnishedPath^talk 23:47, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@VQuakr. I disagree with your assertion that "the photo creator's affiliation or political views" should not factor into an image's usability. In isolation I would agree that a user's affiliation or political views should have no bearing on their editing; but in this case, since usability arguments regarding the image involve COI and non-neutrality facets, these facts about the uploader are not only appropriate to include in the discussion but practically necessary for establishing those things. In fact almost all COI of interest editing revolves around the user's affiliations virtually by definition of what a COI is. If I work at Kraft foods, it's a COI of interest to edit the Kraft articles. If I am the head of the Democratic National Committee, it'd be a conflict to edit political articles about Democrats and Republicans. etc. Why? Because of my affiliations. This case is no different than that. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not aware that evidence has been presented that anyone affiliated with the subject has substantially edited the article. Regardless, working for Kraft and being head of the DNC are false equivalences since I believe the concern TP noted was that the original image author/copyright holder is right wing, not affiliated with the org. VQuakr (talk) 00:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

They appear to be something more than "right wing". Online searches for commons:User:Peterdukephoto indicate that they most likely have close ties to the subject and promote MAGA. TarnishedPath^talk 01:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Or he just knows how to make a buck off of the Right, but yes, people with right-wing views may promote MAGA. Frankly I'm not seeing any evidence from a web search that they are affiliated with PB or any other org. But again, even if they were they still haven't substantially edited the article. To continue the Kraft analogy: if Kraft freely licenses a nice-looking, professionally-produced photo of some mac and cheese, we're not going to avoid using it just because it's by Kraft. VQuakr (talk) 01:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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Warning of WP:3RR violation on the Nick McKenzie article

Hello @TarnishedPath. You have currently done 3 reversions on the Nick McKenzie article. Another one within 24 hours will put you in violation of the WP:3RR rule. Furthermore, you did not receive a consensus to make the edit in the first place. Please do not perform another reversion. Mkstokes (talk) 11:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mkstokes. Please learn how to count. I've only performed 2 reverts in the last 24 hours. Now please withdraw your patently incorrect statement. TarnishedPath^talk 11:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say you performed 3 reversions in the last 24 hours. Your reading comprehension skills here and on reading reliable source material have been noted several times. Please don't put words into my mouth. I said you've done 3 reversions. That is not "patently incorrect." WP:3RR also includes those using the 24-hour rule to game the system. Note that "The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." Mkstokes (talk) 12:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

To violate WP:3RR an editor needs to revert more than 3 times within 24 hours. I suggest you read the policy. As I've only reverted 2 times in the last 24 hours you placing a warning of WP:3RR on my talk page is incorrect. Now please at least read policies before leaving messages on people's user page's which refer to them. TarnishedPath^talk 12:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I did read the policy in detail. It says, in part, "Fourth reverts just outside the 24-hour period will usually also be considered edit-warring, especially if repeated or combined with other edit-warring behavior." You have 2 inside and 1 just outside the 24-hour window. I would surmise that is why the Nick McKenzie article hasn't been reverted since my last reversion. Please don't be obtuse. It doesn't suit you by half. Mkstokes (talk) 12:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Learn to count. The 1 you refer to is not just outside the 24-hour window. It is a number of hours outside the 24 hour window. Now, you have no justification for warning someone about WP:3RR when they have only reverted 2 times in the last 24 hours. Now go away. TarnishedPath^talk 13:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Why are you removing quality assessments?

You've done this on Talk:Liberal Democratic Party (Australia), Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi), and Talk:Avi Yemini. Are you trying to get people to reassess the articles in question? I don't really get why you're doing this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

My apologies. I don't know what I was doing. It was late at night, just before I logged off for the night. I've correct Liberal Democratic Party {Australia) and Avi Yemini. Someone has already done Thomas Sewell. TarnishedPath^talk 22:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries, I wasn't bothered, just confused. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Buidhe, I noticed that there's been no Articles for Creation banner added to the talk page when it passed AfC, like I've seen for other articles. Would it be possible to get one? TarnishedPath^talk 05:58, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

If you look at the talk page history, one was added to the talk page along with duplicate wikiproject banners, so I undid the automatic edit. If you want the AfC banner back, feel free to restore it. (t · c) buidhe 06:26, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@Buidhe thanks for the advice. I'll have a look in a little while. TarnishedPath^talk 06:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Great work!

Just wanted to drop a note that I thought the way you managed the Talk:Nick McKenzie discussion was top notch. Great job! Slacker13 (talk) 15:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Avi Yemini

I hope this is better ([1]). Thanks for the heads up. 65.88.88.200 (talk) 01:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@65.88.88.200, most of the stuff you've done is good but you've added australiaunwrapped.com as a source back into the infobox and that source is unreliable because it's a blog. Also The Forward article doesn't mention Avi or Avraham once, how is that of any use? I'd suggest remove material related to those two sources. TarnishedPath^talk 01:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Talk page

Why did you do that on my talk page? MaskedSinger (talk) 14:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger, I'm sorry I don't know why. I just wondered would it let me archive to another user's archive and my curiosity got the better of me. My apologies. TarnishedPath^talk 14:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

It's fine. No need to apologize. I don't care. Just had no idea what was going on. And? Did you get the answer you were looking for? And of all the users here to do it on, why did you choose me?MaskedSinger (talk) 14:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I guess I did. TarnishedPath^talk 14:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Bush Runner

My book "Bush Runner" is actually two words, not one. The full title is Bush Runner: The Adventures of Pierre Radisson. ("Bush Runner" was my attempt to translate courrier du bois".) Thanks for the fixes.

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So it is. I don't know why I didn't pick that up when I was looking at bookshop offerings. TarnishedPath^talk 13:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Mark, I suggest for any future requested updates to the article, you utilise the {{edit semi-protected}} tag in the article's talk page. More information can be found at WP:MAKINGEREQ. I probably won't be following the article. TarnishedPath^talk 13:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Sexual assault denials

I was going to respond on the article but I respect your perspective so I brought it here. I'm curious what you think about my question. The Assassination of John F. Kennedy is a featured article so it's a worth topic of WP:OTHERCONTENT. There are a plethora of reliable sources covering Lee Harvey Oswald's denial that he shot JFK, but it's not mentioned in the lead. Do you think that's talking the official POV of the US government? Don't you see how it's false balance to elevate Harvey's denial? There's no real logical debate the assaults in Israel happened or who caused them. Hamas' denial is in the article. I'm perplexed at the idea that not mentioning it in the lead is taking the POV of Israel. Do you think this is POV is politically motivated? Nemov (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I think it comes down to a question of creditability. I would put the creditability of Hamas's denial a bit above that of Oswald's, while noting that the lede is not confined to one paragraph and that the RfC in question doesn't specify where in the lede the denial would be placed. Currently it is in the last sentence of the first paragraph, however further discussion might clarify that it should be somewhere else in the lede.

I think all too often in this current and past conflicts in the PIA area creditability is given to Israel, and any Palestinian/Arab militants are discredited by default and this is not always warranted and is a POV. Already during the current hostilities Israel has been shown to have lied on the number Israeli civilian casualties and been ordered by the ICJ to stop engaging in genocide (how to say they're engaging in genocide, without saying they're engaging in genocide) and yet Western media and by extension Wikipedia editors are all to happy continuing on with this narrative that Israel has creditability by default and the other side doesn't. I think a slightly more critical attitude, i.e a NPOV is called for. TarnishedPath^talk 02:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not getting in the weeds on credibility of two sides of af conflict. However, no reasonable person is denying these abuses happened. Just like no reasonable person denies JFK was killed. There's still a lot of people who don't think Oswald did it. The US government has lied a lot over the history of the US. We go by reliable sources and not "what I think about Western media." When you start down that road you sound like someone attempting to correct a great wrong.

It's disappointing, but most of your response reads like someone who can't see this from a NPOV and I was hoping that wasn't the case. Happy editing. Nemov (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I have no interest in major rewrites of PIA articles to tell a completely different narrative or RGWs. I see others getting involved in that and I'm not interested. I edit much more on BLPs/politics than I do PIA content. When I do edit around PIA it's usually more likely to be a RfC (lately anyway) and I don't fool myself in thinking my !vote is going to change the world. I'm not seeing the possibility of putting a Hamas denial towards the end of the lede for example as being FALSEBALANCE issue like I would as putting stuff promoting the COVID lab-leak anywhere into the lede of the COVID-19 lab leak theory article. TarnishedPath^talk 13:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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@Mkstokes, you need to undo this immediately. This is your only warning. I'm going to be extremely charitable and suggest if you remove this whole conversation that I'll act like it didn't happen, because I'm going to suggest this doesn't look good for you. TarnishedPath^talk 13:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your extreme charity. It is noted. I stand by my assessment. As noted "...editors are free to question or to criticize administrator actions. Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries..." I did so and you not only didn't respond appropriately, you made an unfounded accusation and then acted to suppress my comments. Another administrator had to step in and reverse your suppression/closing of the discuss because you are NOT an "uninvolved editor." Now, you are threatening me to remove my warning by suggesting this doesn't look good for me? No, I will not be intimidated and will trust the process, come what may. Mkstokes (talk) 14:03, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, could you help with closing the RfD on David Lammy talk page and summarising because it seems there's a consensus on a change to British politician but I do not want to make a mistake and have bever done this before. Erzan (talk) 03:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@Erzan, RfCs generally go for 30 days unless there is an complete landslide (WP:SNOW). I suggest waiting until then and then if you want a independent closer you can try WP:CR. TarnishedPath^talk 05:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath That is why I asked because I started the RfC 40 days ago. If there is slim consesus is that enough to have the page edited? I will check WP:CR Erzan (talk) 05:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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I missed that. I looked at their user talk history and didn't see it. I learnt from a recent experience with another editor that I should leave CTOP notices early so that if action is required I don't have to wait for diffs after I've left a CTOP notice later than I should have. So now the first second I see something even slightly divergent from consensus operating I leave a notice. TarnishedPath^talk 20:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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