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I think we should add 'new terrorism' under the broad heading of terrorism. It is widely accepted within scholarly and policy circles we are in the midst of confronting something fundamentally different to the terrorisms of old.

Add link to Terrorism and internet article Blade8603 (talk) 13:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The linking of civil disorder and terrorism is tenuous at the least.


Considering the Narrow Definition of TerrorismEdit

In discussion with people under 20, it appears many are totally unaware how the definition of terrorism has changed since President Bush declared War on Terror. Originally only acts by militant insurrectionists to kill civilians, such as the Irish Republican Army and Palestine Liberation Organization, were thought of as terrorism. Now people would not hesitate to call Hitler a terrorist because he reigned U-2 bombs on London. True, this might fit in with current agenda in the 'War on Terror.' But in England, prior to the start of the 'War on Terror,' no one called it terrorism, because Hitler was not an insurrectionist. The two countries were at war. The definition of war between nations used to allow for civilians to be killed. But since the declaration of a 'War on Terror,' the distinction collapsed, because war was declared on a concept rather than a nation. By the new definition,. the allies did equally awful things to Germany during WW2, such as Dresden, which should also be considered terrorism. In fact by the current definition of terrorism, the USA's bombing of dams in Iraq during the Iraq war was terrorism. By this definition, even the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was terrorism. That is rather counterproductive to general understanding on the meaning of terrorism as it would be construed by people under 20. More ludicrously, even stopping people going to the bathroom during a Town Hall meeting could be called terrorism by the current definition because it is so wide. Given that there is so much confusion on what terrorism actually is now, and how important this topic is to the world generally, I think it is very important that a mention be made of its original scope -- acts by militant insurrectionists to kill civilians -- at the article's beginning. My attempt to add this change was deleted four times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emeyer444 (talkcontribs) 13:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

In lack of response, the next step is to go to each page on World War 2 acts to kill civilians and add that it is an act of terrorism, including Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.

InfographicsEdit

Hello, I noticed the data used in the infographic concerning "Top 10 Countries" provided is outdated. Additionally, I see no citation. I assume the data is coming from the 2014 Global Terrorism Index or some sort. I would suggest making a new one utilizing the data from the 2016 Global Terrorism Index (pg.27-36). PCulli (talk) 05:50, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Hello, I am adding comments for my class. You could add in the definition from the Global Terrorism Data Base. It gives a great definition to work with and the data base offers groups with events they consider to be classified as terrorism. You quoted them earlier in the intro, so you might use it more in the article. You could also in the history talk about the waves of terrorism: Anti-colonial, Anarchist, New Left, and religious. With those you could go into greater detail of what they contained and the methods used. And in the tactics, you could mention suicide terrorism which is a new tactic used especially in religious terrorism. Your perpetrator section also uses very specific ideas, even though anybody can be a terrorist.Mistyroyall (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC) What caused you interest in terrorism? Mistyroyall (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistyroyall (talkcontribs) 18:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Caileer (talk) 15:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)This article is well written and uses citations properly. The Author and editors have done a great job at staying on topic, while going into extensive detail. Some of the information however could be separated off into a new article on specific topics of terrorism to make the article shorter to read. The article is quite long for a wikipedia article that is summarizing and broadly explaining terrorism. Caileer (talk) 15:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Fourth generation warfareEdit

Does anyone else think Fourth generation warfare is not established enough in scholarship to warrant being prominently featured in the 2nd sentence of the lead? Seraphimsystem (talk) 09:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I removed this when reformed the lead a few months ago, not knowing you had made a discussion about it on the talk page, so no worries here anymore. SpikeballUnion (talk) 14:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Intimate Partner ViolenceEdit

Hard to believe the terrorism article is in this condition. Intimate Partner Violence has its own page, I don't think the terrorism article is the right place to discuss every kind of violence and should be limited to politically/ideologically motivated which is the general definition we are working with. Does anyone object to my removing this section? Seraphimsystem (talk) 03:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Terrorism is Least Common in the Most Democratic NationsEdit

The sources cited don't really support the conclusion that this is a "General rule," they primarily deal with the relationship between economics and terrorism - the first source does say the data "suggests" a non-monotonic relationship between political freedom and terrorism for countries that are in transition, but it can't be taken to imply causation - please show me a WP:RS that says "terrorism is least common in the most democratic countries"

The next statement "However, one study suggests that suicide attacks may be an exception to this general rule" may be unsupported WP:SYNTH The argument doesn't sound WP:NPOV, it seems to be cherry picking from source material to argue a particular pov - maybe more context can improve this. Does anyone want to comment before I edit? Seraphimsystem (talk) 09:27, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

The London Underground Bombing PhotoEdit

I am removing this photo for possible copy right problems, the link provided on Wikicommons to confirm the Creative Commons license is a dead link. I am new and I'm not sure what the proper way to follow up on this is. If I've done something wrong please leave a note here or on my talk page. Thanks Seraphimsystem (talk) 04:17, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

The Photos in this Article and Unregistered EditsEdit

Does anyone object to attempting to make the photos in this article reflect the content of the text they appear next to? Right now it is just photos of random terrorist attacks that have no connection to the text they appear beside. For example, the religious terrorism section I am editing, someone keeps adding a photo of London next to text that 80% of deaths from terrorism occured in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria and Syria in 2013. I think the photo should reflect this reality, not be a photo of London. I have moved the Duma arson photo to appear beside the discussion on Jewish religious terrorism, as I think this issue is extremely significant, especially in Israel. It is not ok to say the London attack is "more important" or "more representative" just because you feel like it, when the section does not mention London even once. Also, since my adding Duma seems to have attracted attention from unregistered socks that have no edits other then replacing the Duma photo with photos of London, I think maybe we should consider semi-protecting this page for registered IPs only. Its a C-Class vital article and I am trying to improve it, without putting WP:UNDUE weight on any one issue, but I am not happy about unregistered socks making edits that don't make sense and are obviously solely motivated by politics. Seraphimsystem (talk) 22:05, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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