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Quentin Edwards edit

Many thanks for the good photograph you have added. Strictly speaking, see CoI, but verb. sap! Anyway, I hope you are happy with the article. Let me know if there is anything you think should be corrected. Moonraker (talk) 19:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Simon, you don’t have to use the drafting and approval system. If you can manage it, you can just jump in and start an article; but it seems to be a good way to start, as you don’t have the knack of inline citations yet, and without them you will be in hot water. If I were you, I should add them to your draft before anyone reviews it.

It works like this: put your planned footnote at a suitable point in tags like this: <ref>Rumpole, H. ''The Penge Bungalow Murders'' (Torquay: Radical Criminology Circle, 1969), p. 123</ref> and at the bottom of the page a {{reflist}} under your Notes or References heading. You can also name a footnote like this <ref name=HR>Rumpole, H. ''The Penge Bungalow Murders'' (Torquay: Radical Criminology Circle, 1969), p. 69</ref> and use it again by adding somewhere else <ref name=HR/>. (I am using <nowiki> tags so that you can read the text to be added and it doesn’t vanish into a footnote.) That will turn out like this:

The unfortunate arrest of the chief constable was not long delayed.[1]

See if you can work this in to your draft. Moonraker (talk) 18:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Notes edit

  1. ^ Rumpole, H. The Penge Bungalow Murders (Torquay: Radical Criminology Circle, 1969), p. 69

PS edit

This may be more useful, see Help:Referencing for beginners. Your draft article looks very good, but it will not get through that approval system without inline citations. Kind regards, Moonraker (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Latest edit

Looking very good. I have done a little formatting. The references are enough for Wikipedia:Notability, but before you go live with this I should aim to add at least one citation per paragraph, preferably at or near the end, to cover as much as possible of the para. No doubt you could manage one or more for the presidents, perhaps you have one for all of them which could go at the top after a short sentence? And someone may challenge the long list of lecturers if not referenced. Please alert me when live, if you are happy I may be able to nominate this for the “Did you know?” column of the Main Page. Moonraker (talk) 07:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I just do not have much confidence in that approval process. Please see for instance a meeting with it here. If I were you, I should copy and paste your draft into a new user page such as User:Simon Edwards Esq/HLSI, add some categories found from a page such as Bath Royal Literary and Scientific Institution, and then move it (that means rename it, the move option is in the drop-down list under “More”) as Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution. Moonraker (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution edit

Thanks again for the advice - now live as per your suggestion (on Move I changed the name and on the left drop down menu changed it to Article).

One last question: I would like it to be searchable under HLSI as well as its full name - how do I do that? - or perhaps you could add it and I'll see how it is done.

Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talkcontribs) 15:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think this will do the trick. I have created a redirect from HLSI to Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution. Moonraker (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Highgate Literary and Scientific Institution (HLSI) (January 12) edit

 
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Paul Carpenter was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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I rest my case! Moonraker (talk) 03:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
I should say do add what he says at the top of the page. Then if someone ever comes along who can add two and two and make four, there will be nothing to see. Moonraker (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Highgate Hill Cable Tramway edit

I'm going to undo the page moves and re-do them correctly. Please don't edit the page while I'm doing this. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Done. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

A barnstar for you! edit

  The Writer's Barnstar
For the very interesting article John Atcheler that popped up on New Page review, thanks for creating JW 1961 Talk 20:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

John Atcheler edit

Just to update you, I have added references here and there so that I could nominate the page here. Moonraker (talk) 13:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

DYK for John Atcheler edit

On 7 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Atcheler, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that John Atcheler claimed to be "Horse Slaughterer to Her Majesty Queen Victoria"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Atcheler. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, John Atcheler), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Cromwell House edit

 

We have this photo, but we do not have the page Cromwell House yet. Wondering if I can tempt you? In any event, it would be good to have some more pictures! Moonraker (talk) 17:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Looking very good. I am almost sure the Guild of Apothecaries mentioned is the Worshipful Society of Apothecaries, you may have time to fathom that. Are you happy for me to work some more on it tomorrow and nominate it, as before? Moonraker (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I hope my rewriting is not vexing you. The reviewer was complaining here about some supposedly copyrighted text from the Survey of London. If Philip Norman is the writer, he has been dead a long time, but it is a hoop they like us to jump through. Moonraker (talk) 13:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
The reviewer was raising this DYK rule

“Check that the article does not contain plagiarism or close paraphrasing. The Earwig tool can be helpful for this.”

I could have quibbled that the Survey of London is out of copyright, but I like an easy life and it did not take long to roll with the punch. He is happy now, so problem solved.
You are right, we launch a new page and it takes on a life of its own. Moonraker (talk) 17:54, 4 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Mothercraft Training Society edit

I added the picture with a view to nominating the article for the main page DYK column, with a “hook” something like this. Might be neat to get a picture of the Queen there from a little while back. What do you think? Moonraker (talk) 03:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

 
Princess Elizabeth of York
 
HRH the Duchess of York
  • Good idea, I have added that one to your gallery on the page. The DYK rules say something like it has to be an established fact. Busy in real life this week, will leave it till the week end now. Moonraker (talk) 22:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Highgate Cemetery edit

You are mining a rich vein of Londoners in Highgate Cemetery! Victor Kullberg is a gem. Moonraker (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Cromwell House edit

 
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Lovely stuff! There's no end of historical gold to mine in Highgate... No Swan So Fine (talk) 15:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Your DYK hook about Cromwell House drew 8,562 page views (714 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at March 2021 DYK STATS. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Mothercraft Training Society edit

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Hi Simon: What you've said on my page re: this may indeed be true, but the source says "The new building was originally called the Princess Elizabeth Hostel and was opened by its namesake (the wife of George VI and mother of Elizabeth II) in 1930." (bolding mine) So you'll need to find another source that indicates clearly that it was named for the child and not the mother, because this source doesn't show that. Anything else that we "guess" would, unfortunately, be OR—regardless of how much sense it makes! ;) MeegsC (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I don't know – it's the first thing listed in the British honours they read out at her (the Queen Mother's) funeral! I hate to see your good work go unrewarded. Can we not come up with a different hook? MeegsC (talk) 12:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
The Westminster Gazette to the rescue. A gem of a paper in its day. A few years ago, a friend of mine briefly relaunched it, but that’s another story. Moonraker (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Moonraker you are a star, many thanks! BTW I wish I knew how to reply on the discussion page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon Edwards Esq (talkcontribs) 20:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

No trouble, Simon Edwards Esq. To reply there, you could follow the link MeegsC gave to "your nomination's entry" and click the pencil symbol at the top, but that message shouldn’t have been aimed at you, as it was your article and my nomination! Moonraker (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Thomas Frederick Cooper(s) edit

I don’t know if you will think they are worth chasing up, but there are some quite fun property cases reported in the early 1880s concerning Thomas Frederick Cooper, son of Thomas Frederick Cooper, undoubtedly your man, and also a breach of promise case on behalf of Josephine Cooper. Moonraker (talk) 05:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Belt edit

Worth a go! W. J. Belt Esq. was called from Lincoln’s Inn in 1861, had an interest in Biblical Archaeology and died in 1891 while a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries. This death notice connects him with this slim volume and another from the same publisher in Latin verse. He seems to have taken to the bottle after the death of his wife Sibella Marianne Garratt in 1878. There’s a good little article in the St James's Gazette of Wednesday 23 June 1886 headed “A BARRISTER AND HIS AIR-GUN” about one of his appearances before the beak. Moonraker (talk) 14:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Date formats edit

Thank you for your interesting biog'l articles, but would you please note MOS:DATESNO - (e.g.) 15 June 1999, not 15th June 1999. Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Simon Edwards Esq, this looks harsh at first sight, but I think it may be really about notability, viz. there is not a lot there in the way of reliable secondary sources. In a case like this, someone usually just proposes the article for deletion, so this is a bit gentler. Moonraker (talk) 23:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Hi Ssilvers, thanks for your request that when I state my source when I state someone is buried in a particular cemetery. I do always show my sources if I add to Wikipedia, with the exception of Highgate Cemetery where I work as a volunteer. If I say on Wikipedia that someone is buried in Highgate Cemetery it is because I have checked the Cemetery's records and have either photographed the grave and headstone, or have definately established that they were (or were not) buried at Highgate. On some occasions I have found that Wikipedia says that someone is buried at Highgate when there is no confirmation in the Cememtery records and if there is no other evidence then I remove that reference from Wikipedia and make a note in the Wikipedia edit description. Unfortunately Wikipedia does not have a way of recording a personal visit to an archive or gravestone - it must assume that all research is done online. Cheers Simon Furnival (talk) 11:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
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Hi Ssilvers, Highgate Cemetery records are very old fashioned. The original paper records are not available to reseachers, but they have been digitised and are available to staff and volunteers only. You can either search by the grave number or by the persons name, which is why I have added the grave number to Wikipedia. I'm not sure what else I can do. There is no page number in the digital files. What better source for the fact that a particular person is buried in Highgate Cemetery than the Cemetery records? I do agree that the location within the Cemetery is not encyclopedic information and I will not include that in future.Furnival (talk) 12:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Why doesn't the cemetery make the list of persons buried there available online? I see a link on its website to https://www.deceasedonline.com -- Does that have a complete list? If so, you could cite that on Wikipedia -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

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It is disappointing that you have removed my addition to this article without first asking me. I work in the archive of the HLSI where the archives of the St Pancras Orphanage are kept. We get regular inquiries from people who want to find out more about their female relatives. Many of these people only found out that we had the archive of the orphanage after much effort. This is where Wikipedia could have really helped. Such a shame. Furnival (talk) 11:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

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I work in the archive and physically handle the material - please advise what citation will satisfy youFurnival (talk) 12:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi - I have done this for you. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 12:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

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