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Lookinhotbra SPI

Hi. Should a frivolous, baseless SPI be deleted as a G3 (pure vandalism); a G3 (blatant hoax); or something else? — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 07:54, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

G6, or if it's really bad, G10. --Rschen7754 08:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Though it may be helpful to leave it up so the filer can read the note. --Rschen7754 08:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Went ahead and tossed it since the filer indicated that he read it. --Rschen7754 09:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Possible return of AnddoX

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/ServiceGhost&offset=&limit=500&target=ServiceGhost

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/AnddoX&offset=&limit=500&target=AnddoX

Same articles (Ninja Gaiden, Zelda and Metal Gear games), same kind of edits (particularily telling is the replacement of Ayane's infobox image, which was Anndo X obsession), created few weeks after AnddoX was indef banned. --Niemti (talk) 16:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Also F-Zero, Splinter Cell and Bayonetta games, etc. Absolutely AnddoX. --Niemti (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

It's really best to report something like that to SPI, not here. --Rschen7754 18:52, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Holy notification spam, Batman

I think the standard Arbcom message may need to adapt a bit to the new world of the ping/notification list. I, and I imagine everyone else named and linked to in your message, are receiving a ping every time you post this. For future cases, can the editor names be delinked perhaps? Tarc (talk) 01:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear. I'm really sorry about that. I'll see what can be done. --Rschen7754 01:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:DS

Just a head's up but WP:DS leads to deletion sorting. The right code for discretionary sanctions is WP:AC/DS. Cheers! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Uh-oh... what page was this on? --Rschen7754 02:54, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I checked on the Manning notice you posted at Bugs' page and I assume you left identical message at the Talk Page of everyone you notified. No biggie, just go back and change the link, I don't think anyone but odd ducks like me wanted to go read about DS on a Tuesday night. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm just going to change it at the noticeboards - I think people would be annoyed at getting another notification. --Rschen7754 03:41, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I would just edit the old message, not post a brand new one. But that's me. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:15, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but it would still trigger an Echo notification. --Rschen7754 04:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AC/N#Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FManning_naming_dispute_closed

I think you meant the link to go here Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute#David_Gerard.27s_use_of_tools? At the moment it goes to the Noticeboard where there is no section of this name. QuiteUnusual (talk) 11:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed by someone else, so no need to worry! QuiteUnusual (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

On a related note - I may have inadvertently edited the case page here. It's just a link, no substantive anything, but revert me if I screwed it up or if it's improper for a non-clerk to make such an edit. Thanks, sorry. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 12:31, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it seems that I may need to proofread the links before I post it. --Rschen7754 17:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Alexis Reich

Since you removed sanctions warnings from the other articles, should this one be tidied up as well?Two kinds of pork (talk) 13:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

No, because that is under the sanctions from Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Sexology. --Rschen7754 17:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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"Disruptive editing"

Please explain how nominating the iPhone 5S for featured article status and seeing how to improve it to reach FA status is disruptive editing. However, I'm just getting "it's a month old it's not stable withdraw it now" instead of any ideas for improvement, but that's a different topic. Zach Vega (talk to me) 05:00, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:IDHT - you have been told that it is not ready, and you are refusing to listen. Nominating something over and over when the community has rejected it is disruptive. --Rschen7754 05:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I was told to wait "a few weeks" before nominating it again. And here I am, approximately 2 weeks later, nominating it. One user in the second nomination admitted that they didn't even read any of the article. Zach Vega (talk to me) 05:07, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

That's the standard closure notice. I would wait 6 months or more, as that is what is necessary for stability. --Rschen7754 05:09, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll wait half a year for the third nomination, but if the community consensus gives me the "standard closure notice", and I renominate it in the specified time (referring to the second nomination), how is that disruptive? If I'm interpreting this incorrectly, then I apologize. Zach Vega (talk to me) 17:45, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Whenever the community has told you "no" and you try and do something anyway, over and over, that is disruptive. --Rschen7754 19:28, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand that, but I was told that it was not stable at the moment, and was given this "standard closure notice". I then renominated it around the given period. Zach Vega (talk to me) 19:59, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, let's look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/IPhone 5S/archive1:

"Given that the 5S has been released for barely a week, I consider this FAC to be quite premature. As Nick-D have said, issues have historically emerged after several weeks of release. I suggest the nom postpone this FAC for three to four weeks. "

"Give it at least a month (two would be even better), by which it should be more well-rounded."

Where are you getting two weeks from? --Rschen7754 20:18, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

"Historically, problems with the iPhones (in terms of technology, software and/or Apple's ability to meet demand) have also generally emerged a few weeks after the phone's release" Zach Vega (talk to me) 20:43, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you're not leaving enough time for the media to comment on such problems, etc. The fact that you are not willing to listen to all these experienced reviewers (who have several featured articles, by the way) and believe that you are right is.... disturbing, to say the least. --Rschen7754 20:49, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

How am I not listening to "all these experienced reviewers"? The second nomination has been archived, and I stated I was going to wait for 1/2 a year to ensure its stability. Zach Vega (talk to me) 21:24, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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09:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Rschen7754

Please act professionally in the case of Thehoboclown. If the IPs match I can prove this guy owns another 20 active clones (multiple accounts abuser and a dangerous person, extremist). 100% Anarcham is Thehoboclown. If the IPs don't match then he is using proxies. It's a matter of 2 minutes for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:405F:FFFF:0:0:4F72:5ECD (talk) 11:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

 CheckUser is not for fishing, evidence has to come first before the check. --Rschen7754 18:29, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

PR REVIEW

Hello, Please give me your helpful comments in Pr review of Vidya's awards and nominations list so that I can take it to FL status, Thank You. —FRANKY! 13:41, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't do much in FL. --Rschen7754 23:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Apologies

I'll try to be more careful even if I think another person is targeting me. Thank you for the note. Sportfan5000 (talk) 23:09, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Warning

I'm quite aware of the sanctions that have been placed on this article. I am quite frustrated because I have been discussing on the talk pages, and the other editor doesn't or makes one post and decides that settles things and reverts again, let alone wait for anyone else to have a say. The BRD cycle is supposed to come into play here, no? I know it's not the end of the world if their preferred edit stays, but the warning coming after their 2nd revert essentially rewards dirty pool.Two kinds of pork (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

The main issue is that it takes two to edit war, and BRD is not BRRRRRRRRD. --Rschen7754 23:24, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. So if we have a stable version at A) and then someone changes that to B), and a revert is made back to A), then discussion should take place. What has happened is that we have ABAB and now we are at a version there is no agreement for. I've offered to discuss, and what I'm getting from the other side is "more eyes will fix this" while they are content that they gamed the system to their version.Two kinds of pork (talk) 23:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Can I get some feedback on you from my recent revert and response on the tak page? I really want to comply with BRD so I'm seeking guidance. Two kinds of pork (talk) 13:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nlfestival

A bit of a shame that was closed this morning as we have two more, RedFeltPen (talk · contribs) and Gregg1234 (talk · contribs) here solely to !vote delete on the article in question. Dougweller (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

You can file another report, but my guess is they're just meatpuppets and their votes should be discounted. --Rschen7754 00:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

You are probably correct. Someone is teaching them about details of our guidelines - or at least that's my guess from the !vote of the latest SPA. Dougweller (talk) 05:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by here solely to vote on delete? and I looked up user RedFeltPen never voted on that page. Can anyone one of you prove my comments wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregg1234 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read Template:Canvassed. --Rschen7754 17:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Of possible interest

I found this to be a chilling comment. I don't know if anyone is really watching the page and i don't really know how it can be addressed if I'm actively avoiding the editor in question. Sportfan5000 (talk) 00:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps if you addressed it on the page, I might have answered there. My point was that "feeling female" doesn't necessarily translate to GID. Two kinds of pork (talk) 01:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

But you expressed it in a bit of an abrasive way. That, combined with your recent revert for a generic reason, is not good. --Rschen7754 01:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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Arbitration enforcement warnings may be needed

Both User:StAnselm and User:Obiwankenobi are edit-warring on Template:WikiLeaks in violation of MOS:IDENTITY regarding the use of a trans* person's chosen name, as well as being obstructive and disruptive on the respective talk pages. Please review their edits on Chelsea Manning and Template:WikiLeaks and determine whether a warning about arbitration enforcement is in order. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 01:31, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

My view is that Yworo *has* edit warred, and is also being disruptive on the talk pages, so if this will be dragged before the court please let their edits be reviewed as well.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

My prefered pronoun is "her", not "their". That's offensive. Yworo (talk) 01:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Protected the page. --Rschen7754 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Will this ever end? (not the protection, that was the best thing to do)--Mark Miller (talk) 01:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, and I suspect that protection may not resolve the matter. --Rschen7754 01:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Probably not, but you tried...--Mark Miller (talk) 01:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

This is the same issue over and over again. Some people will never be okay with respecting Chelsea's decision to live honestly as the woman she feels she is. This is an entrenched attitude that has been at play for several months. Despite their involvement in these discussions some editors insist that use of her former name, apparently anywhere, doesn't technically violate BLP enough to warrant its use. No amount of discussion, or what amounts to lawyering, seems to get away from that stance and it seems the battle itself is enjoyed. Meanwhile those who identify as or with trans women are deeply offended and that's when we decided enough is enough and we have to say something even if means dealing with these attitudes even more, it's very counterproductive and frustrating. Sportfan5000 (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Wow, so much wrong there...but this is not the place. If you would like to discuss this, I invite you to my User page so we do not fill up Rschen's page with this. I will copy paste your comment on my page, respond and ping you!--Mark Miller (talk) 01:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Obi-Wan Kenobi has removed the warning from his talk page. It is my understanding that these Arbitration-related notices have to be left on the talk page. Is this correct? Or am I wrong about that? Yworo (talk) 02:05, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

You're allowed to remove the warning, but it's logged at the Sexology case anyway. --Rschen7754 02:07, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I was already aware of the logging. Yworo (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thank you, that shows my alphabet skills this morning. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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SPI

Hi Rschen77. I noticed you closed an SPI after DeltaQuad declined a CU. I disagree with the declined CU, but anyway, can't you still look at the behavior? I think that is sufficient evidence to establish sockpuppetry here. The CU could turn up other socks, though.

The previous socks of Castleking1440 used the same Elance account, to solicit jobs for paid editing. Each sock posted a few unrelated minor edits, then created a spammy article or added promotional material to an article. The article was commissioned on Elance, to that same account. This sock, CoolHalloween, posted a few unrelated minor edits, then added promotional material to an article. In this case, the added material did not even match the sources. In this case, the Elance job was "I would like to have a wikipedia post written for Hunter Industries, including it's segments of FX Luminaire, Hunter Golf, and Hunter Custom Molding. It should be a minimum of 500 words and have a minimum of 5 citations." So what CoolHalloween did was add material about FX Luminaire, Hunter Golf, and Hunter Custom Molding, with several new citations.

I have not included a link to the Elance job, although Pharoah of the Wizards did. It's right there on the SPI page.

Note that I am not saying "Someone being paid to edit on behalf of a banned user." It's exactly the opposite of that. Someone is paying a blocked user, CastleKing1440. To evade the block, CastleKing1440 is using multiple accounts. I posted this to SPI because of the sockpuppetry, and that is why I requested CU.

To conclude, I'm asking you to consider behavioral evidence in addressing this SPI. Thanks. Logical Cowboy (talk) 06:23, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

A decline refers to the CU part of the request; other admins / clerks will be looking at the evidence too. I'm relatively busy IRL (see a few posts up) so I don't think I'll be able to. --Rschen7754 06:35, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Result of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem

Hello Rschen7754. Recently you archived this report posted by User:Keilana. Is it possible for you to add a date to the archived report? According to the history of WP:ACN the timestamp of Keilana's post was 18:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC). Her diff is here. This is relevant because the decision fixes the lead of Jerusalem for three years, and to predict the expiry date we should have the decision date logged somewhere. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Rschen7754 04:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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Abuse

What gives you the right to call me a nosy old hag? And I understand that I am not allowed to make "personal attacks" on other people but, my other comment was not a personal attack. Please remember this. Sorry for the inconvenience that I caused. If there is anything you need to ask me, make a post on my talk page. Thanks and Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasdwasdwasd123 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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User:Rschen7754/You represent the English Wikipedia!

This is an important essay that I wrote a few weeks ago that talks about the English Wikipedia's relationship with other Wikimedia sites. I encourage you to read it and consider what it says. --Rschen7754 19:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

List of state highways in Georgia (U.S. state)

I have asked a question of sorts on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads page. No one seems to be online, but I have seen you doing some editing. Could you help me understand the routelist templates? That would be great. Thank you for your help. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 06:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I would ask Scott, as he was the one who designed them; I've never used them. --Rschen7754 07:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

ArbCom

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Thanks for the update. Those topics are not on my radar, so my being banned from them should be safe. One thing, though: If your decision did not include revoking the admin rights of the two advocate-admins who caused this problem in the first place, then your process was a humbug. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I am just a clerk, not an arbitrator, so your comments may better be directed to WT:AC/N. --Rschen7754 02:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, so you're just an errand boy. Be that as it may, I stated my views on their talk page, and they ignored what I said, so I am not interested in any further contact with any of those characters. If this ignorant approach is how the ArbCom routinely conducts its business, you might want to distance yourself from them to avoid sullying your own reputation. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh for god's sake.....what the hell is that supposed to mean? Damn....I am now really sorry I defended you BBB. Get over yourself.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

What is that supposed to mean? My argument from the get-go was in opposition to abusing Wikipedia and about the lack of valid sourcing at the time. The ArbCom seemed to think it was about the topics I've been banned from. It wasn't. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:25, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I took your advice and posted a comment on that one page. I expect it to be ignored, as usual. But thanks for the tip. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth...BBB is not a bad editor and I over reacted on your page Rschen7754 to his comment. This situation is maddening for everyone. I hope all settles down as quickly as possible and I should be helping that outcome...not fighting it.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:26, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I bear neither you nor Rschen7754 any actual ill will. I get irritated about various things from time to time, but I usually get over it before long. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

And I apologize to Rschen7754 for being excessively snippy. Being an admin is not easy. But what it lacks in appeal, it makes up for in high pay. Ha! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --Rschen7754 04:10, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Rschen, just like all wikipedians, dreams of someday becoming a famous internet thousandaire like Jimbo.  :-)     74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

nazi

Thanks for rescuing my comment.[16] It was a discussion about 'Rise & Fall Of The Third Reich' so most likely the Godwin-violation-detector-script in Luke's wikitool went off like a fire alarm, and they reverted instinctively without really reading it through. (They should see my reply to the reply to *this* comment for a real horror-story which no encyclopedia should be permitted to contain.) Anyhoo, wanted to drop in and say nice catch, appreciate the help, thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

p.s. You still have one comment from Sergio-of-cashews-fame here on your talkpage. Hard to say: either they were a very deep philosopher with ESL difficulty, or they were a very sophisticated spambot with very impressive NLP technology. Might be worth changing the indef to a few months, and see if their English improves? Anyways, thanks for all the cashews, suppression is the new walnut.  :-)   74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Either a spambot, or someone very confused and adding gibberish to pages, or someone trolling us. They can always request an unblock if the situation changes. --Rschen7754 00:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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Please remove my user rights

Hi! Could you (or another admin talk page stalker) please remove my rollbacker and reviewer rights here since I don't expect to be using them anymore? Thanks, The Anonymouse (talk) 18:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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I have a lot of responsibilities in real life at the moment. I will still be reachable on IRC and here for quick and time-sensitive tasks, but any extended issues may be best handled by other admins or editors. Hopefully, things will be back to normal around mid-November. Rschen7754

Things are more normal... at least for now. Probably won't last. --Rschen7754 21:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Connecticut Route 8

Since you deleted Template:Infobox road/CT/abbrev rd, please fix Connecticut Route 8. 174.56.57.138 (talk) 01:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Rschen7754 02:10, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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I regard your advice to others to avoid my ACE2013 guide to be improper, and a mild misstatement of the fact that I was added to Lord Voldemort after the evidence and workshop phases had been closed. Your statement appears to imply a bias on my part about any candidate now standing, which is inapt, inaccurate, fatuous, judgemental, and contrary to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and I ask you redact that part of your ACE2013 guide. Cheers. Collect (talk) 12:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

So what's with the userbox at the top of your userpage, then? --Rschen7754 23:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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California State Route 78

I'll accept your judgment that the item did not belong in the article, but what was improperly formatted about it? --MelanieN (talk) 20:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

It was giving undue weight to that information, by adding a level 2 header in a FA. Basically you were saying that that particular nickname by itself was just as important as the entirety of the history. --Rschen7754 21:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

OIC. When you said "format" I was wondering if something was wrong with the reference citation. I guess the problem was that there WAS no level 2 header that it could properly belong under. OK, thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 21:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

@MelanieN: With that being said, you could make a case for the beer part appearing in the route description. --Rschen7754 21:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Really? I'll think about that. --MelanieN (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, I gave that a try. Feel free to revert if you think it's not appropriate. --MelanieN (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems fine. --Rschen7754 21:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet case summary, unclear to me

Hi, would you mind filling me in on some details that aren't clear in this sockpuppet investigation summary? Has sockpuppetry been proven? There is further discussion of the edits from one of the accounts that was accused of being a sock on my talk page and at an ANI. The instigator of the investigation and another user jumped very hard on the two edits from that account, I considered their actions to be biting a newbie, and some others have commented that they agree with my assessment (that the edits from the new account were constructive). There is serious warring going on here, and it looks from my perspective as if the sock investigations are being used to defend poor material against a good-faith newbie who is trying to improve the encyclopedia. Sorry to bother you, but I'm not very familiar with the shorthands used in administrative matters. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately CU is useless in a matter like this. However I think behaviorally they are the same, so I blocked. --Rschen7754 23:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That explains what looked like uncertainty. As I said, I don't think that the supposed socks are the problem here, but there's a long history that I haven't gone over in detail. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Bob K31416, User:Frungi

Bob K31416 (talk · contribs) and Frungi (talk · contribs) are tag-team edit-warring against the instructions of the MOS-TW template at Chelsea Manning: [25], [26]. There is discussion on the talk page, but it is a stretch to say there is anything like consensus for this change. Please consider whether they should receive a warning of sanctions. Yworo (talk) 23:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

They've only done 1 revert or so. --Rschen7754 00:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, please keep an eye on the situation. They seem to have anti-trans opinions and lack of understanding as to why we should not refer to the subject by former names except where strictly needed (specific infobox fields, description of birth). They are also not waiting for the discussion about it to complete, and are rather arbitrarily declaring a consensus where there is none in order to implement their own biases. Yworo (talk) 00:11, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

@Yworo: Please watch the accusations and assume good faith. I've done no edit warring on that page, and I haven’t made any “anti-trans” suggestions or edits on that page. —Frungi (talk) 01:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Rschen7754, Regarding Yworo's comment about me "edit-warring against the instructions of the MOS-TW template at Chelsea Manning" — I think Yworo is referring to a figure caption. I didn't make any reverts regarding that, but rather discussed it on the talk page.[27] Here's my original edit [28]. Here's Yworo's revert [29]. In a related discussion on another talk page, Yworo said that I was dictating.[30] I tried to settle this misunderstanding on Yworo's talk page, but only got a rude response.[31] Also, in Yworo's above message to you, she accused me of having anti-trans opinions, which isn't true. Does Yworo's recent activity go against your previous notification?[32] --Bob K31416 (talk) 02:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Goodness, can the three of you just get along? --Rschen7754 11:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I’m sorry that this ended up on your Talk page, but I generally have no problem getting along with people who don’t make unreasonable accusations and assumptions. Sigh… I really have nothing against her save her apparent belief that I have something against trans people. —Frungi (talk) 23:52, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, User:Frungi and I have been getting along and productively editing the Chelsea Manning article. I only came to your talk page because of Yworo's false accusation here, which you recognized as false in your opening comment. User:Yworo has been having problems getting along, which may be from being prejudiced that those who disagree with her on this article are transphobic or have anti-trans opinions. Wasn't this a reason for your previous warning to her with a formal notification?[33] --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:California State Route 209

Hi, Rschen7754! Could you take a look at a couple of things I posted at Talk:California State Route 209? San Diego is my beat, especially Point Loma, but I realized I had been neglecting the roads. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 23:18, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Block of Stho002

Stho002 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hi, I noticed that you changed the block settings for Stho002 today following a SPI case. Previously, Stho002 had been indeffed with user talk and email disabled (apparently due to harassment) back in 2012. It seems you reenabled user talk and email. I wanted to make sure that was intentional. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 14:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Reblocked, sorry about that. --Rschen7754 19:29, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

LAst minute candidates...

Gees, I was expecting maybe .. two or three. 7!!! Yikes. My eyes will cross if I try to do the stats tonight after the mass I did earlier. Blech! Ealdgyth - Talk 01:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I thought that Wikipedia was doomed 24 hours ago... --Rschen7754 01:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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That's great, but you're not supposed to revert war, but discuss when people revert you. WP:BRD. --Rschen7754 03:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Mass barnstar reversion

Hello, was wondering why you only reverted some of the mass barnstars that the now blocked account issued a while ago? Didn't you use a batch rollback for that?--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 13:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but some people had already edited their talk page after that. --Rschen7754 18:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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Are you still a clerk? Why, then, are you diving into electoral politics publicly announcing what you think of candidates? Tony (talk) 05:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Why have you not asked the same question to Hahc21, who is also a clerk? --Rschen7754 05:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Yet more? I hadn't got that far in the list. Now, instead of a push-off, perhaps a real answer? Tony (talk) 05:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, because I see no reason not to. NuclearWarfare wrote two guides while he was a clerk, and even outgoing arbs have written guides. And I am ending this discussion, because I don't think that I should have to put up with your repeated sniping. --Rschen7754 05:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not "sniping": it's a perfectly reasonable point. "Because I see no reason not to" is a non-answer and makes me wonder why you feel you're qualified to be a clerk in the first place. Aggressively closing off this thread is further evidence of unsuitability even as an admin; the community expects calm and cooperation from admins. We need from clerks in particular arm's distance and equanimity. I'm still waiting for a substantive answer to whether it would be rather awkward next year to be clerking for arbs whom you've publicly recommended voters oppose—that's the risk you're taking. I'd be saying the same thing to NW if he were putting himself in that position again. Tony (talk) 10:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Then that's a risk I will have to take then; it's none of your business. And reclosing this. --Rschen7754 10:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

It's every bit my business, actually, as a member of the community. You've taken on a position of considerable responsibility in being a clerk, to serve the committee and the community without favour or conflict of interest. You're refusing to respond to a legitimate question concerning this conflict of interest, which as I've pointed out carries a distinct risk of placing you and candidates about whom you're issuing opposes and strong opposes in a compromised situation if they're elected. And you're giving all candidates numerical marks? I think you need to decide whether to withdraw this personalised, judgemental league table or to step down as a clerk. And I also think you should stop trying to censor me on this page, but to engage in normal discourse on an important issue. This is not Wikivoyage, where bully-boy admins can censor at their whim. Tony (talk) 14:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The real question is whether if Rschen believes that someone should not be on ArbCom, and they end up being on ArbCom, will that affect his ability to work with them as a clerk. I don't think that's the case, and there shouldn't be an issue with him publishing a guide. Legoktm (talk) 18:05, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Moving this again, but any further comments will be reverted. --Rschen7754 18:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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You're clearly on top of things, Rschen, so I'm handing over the baton since it's late--here, anyway. Toodles, and thanks for the correction, Drmies (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem. --Rschen7754 05:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, after seeing your description of my answers, I feel you may have misunderstood them so I have added some clarifications.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 16:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Arbitrators need to be excellent communicators, and allowing people to change their answer and have me rescore it afterwards makes more work for me and also leads to gaming the system. Thus, I won't be changing my guide. --Rschen7754 18:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

You don't have to rescore it, but could you at least change your description or make a note about my clarifications?--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 19:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Reading through it again, I still stand by what I wrote. --Rschen7754 22:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Another intervention

There may be cause to intervene here. [37] Sportfan5000 (talk) 12:37, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Seems he has been blocked already. --Rschen7754 09:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for checking! Sportfan5000 (talk) 00:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Jude Enemy

Hi Rschen. Do you happen to know if anyone is drafting up a LTA report for Jude Enemy? Ishdarian 06:44, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

If you want, you can go ahead and write one, though he is fairly well known crosswiki. --Rschen7754 06:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Christchurch Tram

I know your article specialty is roads, however I do not know anyone whose specialty is trams, so I thought I would ask you about the aforementioned article, which I came across doing some post-midnight NPP work ... can you see any reason why that would be notable? I would have gone ahead and sent it to an AfD discussion, however know so little about trams and our notability guidelines thereof, I thought I would at least approach someone who did prior to doing so. Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Go Phightins! 05:15, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems possible, though with few sources it's hard to tell... did you try asking at the New Zealand WikiProject? --Rschen7754 05:16, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I did not. Will try there. Thanks. Go Phightins! 05:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

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Why deleted page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Laszlo Panaflex--Sillsdorust (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Please read the top of WP:SPI. "Before opening an investigation, you need to have good reason to suspect sock puppetry: Evidence is required." --Rschen7754 08:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Please check [41]--Sillsdorust (talk) 08:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC) [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47]--Sillsdorust (talk) 08:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

And how does that prove abuse of multiple accounts? --Rschen7754 08:28, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Laszlo Panaflex (talk) suspect sock puppetry of IIIraute and Aoidh (talk) on Talk:Holy Roman Empire Please check [48] [49] [50] [51]--Sillsdorust (talk) 08:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC) [52] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillsdorust (talk • contribs) 08:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Uh, that makes no sense at all. I will not be undeleting the page. --Rschen7754 08:42, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Please check [53] User:IIIraute reported by User:Sillsdorust

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Possible socking?

Hi Rschen7754, I have come across a strange case and I want to run it by you to see what you think. Suddenly, this user has created a number of accounts that redirect to their page or their subpages. For example, [54], [55], [56], [57], [58], [59]. Also on their contribution page, you can see that they have recently created other redirects to their user pages [60]. What do you think? I am One of Many (talk) 05:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Weird. I've left a note on his talk. --Rschen7754 05:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Sportfan5000

Hey, Rschen, Sportfan5000 has asked that his entry on the arb enforcement log be amended/struck. Judging by Nyttend's entry in his block log, this sounds quite reasonable, but I wanted to check with you (and Nyttend of course) first. Have you any thoughts on the subject? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I have no issues with it. --Rschen7754 01:53, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Re:Arbitration Evidence

Ironically, I was just looking at that when you left me your message. Thank you both for the heads up, I am currently about to review to the posts I made to figure out where they best belong. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't realize that AGK already left you one... sorry for the duplicate post. --Rschen7754 04:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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		I'd rather be over informed than not informed at all, as has been the case on more than a few afd's filed for articles I've created or done significant work on. Its Acts of Random Kindness like this that help build the community spirit here, and for that I thank you. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Rschen7754 04:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I feel as though I owe you an apology over this recent confusion over what exactly I meant by 'the filing party' since that ambiguity is apparently causing trouble for both you and MarcusBritish. It was not my intention to make an already stressful experience more stressful for the involved parties, and for that I apologize. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem. Generally a corporate entity cannot be a party to a case. --Rschen7754 10:15, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I figured, but since it wasn't explicitly listed anywhere I figured to go for broke. They say the long shots are the ones that can be the most rewarding, and in any event if we can not be listed as a corporate entity I'm sure we can find some sort of solution to the issue - a middle path, if you will. In any case, I figure to wait and see what AGK says, then I'm going to owe both him and MarcusBritish an apology as well, in the former case for interfering again after I said I wouldn't and in the latter case for screwing up the initial paperwork that put him in this mess in the first place... TomStar81 (Talk) 10:27, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Mail

You have mail. Best regards, —Neotarf (talk) 03:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

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New features

• The CommonsMetadata feature was added to all wikis. It creates metadata information about multimedia files (like their license) that can be read automatically by computer programs. It not only works for Commons, but for all wikis, and you can use it for files on your wiki by editing templates used to describe metadata. [61]
• JavaScript code used on Wikimedia sites is now saved locally on your computer to load faster. [62]

VisualEditor

• You can now paste formatted content copied from external sources (not just as plain text) into VisualEditor; this includes copy/pasting from other VisualEditor windows. [63]
• You can now open VisualEditor by adding ?veaction=edit to the page URL, regardless of your user preferences. [64]
• Many bugs have been fixed, and VisualEditor should also look faster, for example when you save a page. [65]

Problems

• Due to issues, the new search tool ("CirrusSearch") was recently removed from wikis where it was enabled, then added again. [66]

Future

• MediaWiki 1.23wmf6 was added to test wikis on December 5. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on December 10 and all Wikipedia wikis on December 12 (calendar).
• The old Etherpad tool (replaced by a new version) will be removed on December 30, 2013. You can still save old pads before that date using the old address: https://etherpad-old.wikimedia.org. [67]

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08:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)