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Dispute over FA status Microsoft Security Essentials
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I have opened a dispute over the decision to award this article FA status which you were to some extent involved. You may wish to comment on the case here. Quantumsilverfish (talk) 19:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I would recommend withdrawing that, as it's entirely bogus. --Rschen7754 19:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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Confused — why provide an HTML link to the user's talk page? Couldn't you just do Special:Mytalk? Nyttend (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
It could be either, but it has to be in HTML since I'm pretty sure that links in MediaWiki markup won't work. --Rschen7754 19:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, Rschen7754. You have new messages at Gtwfan52's talk page. Message added 20:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
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Looks like you clobbered a comment from Risker. Jclemens (talk) 06:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I think I got all the deleted comments, including [1]. --Rschen7754 06:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Official statement
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In regards to User talk:Jclemens#Please_resign, as a guide writer I publicly state that at no time did I receive any confidential material, directly or indirectly, from Elen of the Roads. --Rschen7754 08:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks
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Hey Rschen7754 :) Thanks again for your comments on the Debora Green FAC. Images and I are not good friends, so input regarding them on my articles is always both appreciated and helpful! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome! I don't like images either, but I've picked up enough to do a review on anything that isn't fair use or something complicated. I also think that getting a FA is a good experience for a Wikipedian to have, and I'm glad to help. --Rschen7754 19:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
WikiProjects
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Apologies if this has been asked before, but what is the purpose of the Wikiproject question? It seems that a Wikiproject could be formed for a great many purposes - I've been part of one that created style guidelines and created one that has devolved to being a noticeboard - so isn't almost any answer going to be "correct"? (If anyone hasn't answered the question yet, I'm fine with waiting until they do, but I'm genuinely curious here...) – PhilosopherLet us reason together. 18:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd rather post the rubric before answering this, since your question might be answered; I aim to post it today, considering the only one who hasn't answered all the questions is Elen (and her answers are moot at this point). --Rschen7754 18:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Question 2 is up. --Rschen7754 23:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
So my question would get a score of 2? It does make sense now, thanks. – PhilosopherLet us reason together. 11:56, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
USRD activity
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I realize there's several discussions going on at my "home" WikiProject today, but I will be unable to participate in them since I'm trying to keep tabs on the ArbCom situation and have a busy day IRL. I hope to comment within the next few days.
And for my talk page stalkers, it's at WP:AC/N and is something you all need to be aware of. --Rschen7754 20:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Why do I have a ton of caffeine on little sleep when I'm dehydrated and then try to function? I don't know (see similar thread in June where this happened). Responses might be further delayed unless absolutely urgent; otherwise I'll be mumbling gibberish in front of ArbCom. I seem to be mumbling right now... anyway back to homework, and I'll try and get some food or water or sleep before trying to catch up on everything. --Rschen7754 03:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay I feel better and am back. --Rschen7754 06:26, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Drat!
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You beat me in casting the first vote in the ArbCom elections! Drat! (Just kidding, I really don't care, but thought it was funny I missed being first by one minute). GoPhightins! 00:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Haha well I was following the drama about it being restarted at the last minute, and I had to fix the ACE2012 template when it borked the link to the poll, so that's probably why... --Rschen7754 00:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Erratic activity levels
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This just hasn't been such a good week for me, let's just say... I assume that most of my talk page stalkers know about the ArbCom mailing list leak. Unfortunately, I'm experiencing an email leak situation in my personal life, and am trying to deal with the consequences of the leak.
I'm not going to lie: there's no way in heck I'll be able to stay away, what with the ArbCom leak going on and my love of editing. But I'm definitely going to be distracted over the next few days as I try to sort out the mess. And it puts the ArbCom leak in perspective: while my opinions regarding both Elen and Jclemens are quite evident, and are not changing, at least this is only a website. --Rschen7754 07:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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I saw you hid the content of some revisions, but one had a summary "(←Replaced content with '...')". It may be too short to hide, but it's something that I noticed. iXavier [talk|contribs] 07:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I hid the content since the malicious code was being run, whereas it wasn't with the edit summary. --Rschen7754 07:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #34
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Development
Added DirectSqlStore to client so that it can directly access the repository database, and not require creating any tables on the client
Bug fixing on the client extension, and preparing it for first deployment
Less edit conflicts due to a smarter conflict detection
Better recent changes comments on the client
Clean up on the backend for entity artefacts
The statement UI enables to create statements and displays them, but has still a few glitches
The client now accesses the data on the server directly, and the data is not replicated anymore
Added a number of profiler calls
Special:Contributions displays labels now
User preference on the client to hide Wikidata edits
Statements can be created and saved now
Statements are properly styled in JavaScript and non-JavaScript version
Improved JavaScript part of the templating engine
Improved entity selector widget
Client:Watchlist Selenium Tests
Client: RecentChanges Selenium tests
Added DataValues, DataTypes, jQuery.ui QUnit tests to Selenium
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Hey, thanks for checking on me. There are a few things happening with me in real life and on the Internet, such as working on Google Map Maker and stuff. Let me know if anything needs to be done. --Geopgeop (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, USRD is still humming along. We're getting more FAs and GAs, and slowly improving article quality across the board, though it's a slow process. In California, I'm trying to get some of the San Diego articles to FA and slowly moving north. All the incompetent editors were sent away a few years ago, but I'm still trying to clean up the damage. --Rschen7754 20:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.
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I am not sure why, but thanks. I looked where it said to and there was nothing to review. :) Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem! Figured it would be useful. --Rschen7754 08:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Hey, any chance you would do rollback, too? I would like to try igloo and you need rollback for that. Gtwfan52 (talk) 09:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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Okay, please quit with the wikilawyering. --Rschen7754 18:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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... wha? --Rschen7754 03:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Specifically this section, which your actions seemed to imply you hadn't quite got round to reading. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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Re:ACR
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I will still work on it. I have just been busy in real life lately. Dough4872 16:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay, that's fine; just making sure you haven't forgotten. --Rschen7754 18:31, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The WikiProject: Good Articles Newsletter (December 2012)
You're welcome! --Rschen7754 07:33, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if you've got any advice for me on how to proceed in relation to this? — Cirt (talk) 07:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd lie low for now - the ridiculous nature of the comment has been pointed out and if he attacks you further, there will be plenty of eyes watching. He's already broken quite a few rules... --Rschen7754 07:38, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay agreed, sounds good, and I see the MFD was closed as Speedy Keep, so that's another endorsement against the recent inappropriate behavior pattern, thanks again, — Cirt (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Don't worry, the protection page gives me a lot of trouble too, for no apparent reason. --Rschen7754 05:55, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #35
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Development
Deployed new code on wikidata.org with a lot of bug fixes and a new Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel (all changes here)
http://test2.wikipedia.org now uses Wikidata (click “edit links” at the bottom of the page), and we are working to enable the synchronization of changes to test2 and display links from the repository
Added wbsetqualifier API module
Added wbremovequalifiers API module
New JavaScript wb.Api now used for labels, descriptions, aliases and sitelinks
Improved Selenium tests and PHPUnit tests
Selenium tests now independent from ULS
Selenium tests for statements UI
Existing statements can be edited now
Filtering anons and Wikidata in RecentChanges on client now works correctly
Added extra checks on client RecentChange save point to avoid duplicate entries
Started an experimental branch with API methods for claims
Link to Commons Media displayed for Snak values of related data type
Improved styling of statements in JavaScript mode
Improvements in templating engine
Started working on adding Statements to existing section of Statements
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I hope you don't mind that I did this. Your post was just a huge blob of text, hopefully this will make it a bit easier to read. Feel free to revert it though. Legoktm (talk) 13:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
For the benefit of the talk page stalkers, yes it's fine --Rschen7754 13:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #36
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Development
Deployed new code on wikidata.org. All changes can be found here
http://test2.wikipedia.org now uses http://wikidata.org for getting language links and wikidata.org edits affecting the existing articles on test2 show up in RecentChanges (if they are not hidden)
Statements (think of “population: 2.000.000” and similar things) are taking shape in the interface. They are still pretty buggy though at this point.
It is now possible to link to images on Wikimedia Commons in a statement (think of “image: sundown_at_the_beach.png” for example)
No longer possible to create new items and set labels when database is set to read-only
Added more tests to the GeoCoordinate parser
Make use of EditEntity in removeclaims API
Removed many singletons to reduce global state
Made SpecialSetLabel work with non-item entities
Improved settings system
Improved options of ValueFormatters
Improved options of ValueParsers
Moved label+description uniqueness check out of transaction to avoid deadlocks and changed it to only be enforced for edits changing any violating values
Fixed serialization of SiteArray
~=[,,_,,]:3
Had to fix reporting of aliases in wbsearchentities again
Implemented integration of baserevids for statements UI API calls for editconflict detection for statements/claims/snaks
Universal Language Selector fallback fix for Selenium tests
Report URL to entity in wbsearchentites API module
Moved the demo system to a larger server
Fixed several bugs in Statements user interface, most notably, adding Statements to existing sections and layout fixes
Added wikibase API module on the client to provide information about the associated repo (e.g. url, script path, article path)
A bunch of messages for autocomments were fixed (they are automatically added as an edit summary for edits on items and co in Wikidata - for example: “Changed [en] description: Finnish rock band”)
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Just curious: what was the reason for the C? Not complaining, just wondering, given everything in it and the meticulous sourcing I did, why it's not a B? Is it because it doesn't have the map image and KML? If so, I can understand (although these will be coming soon).
I ask because (heads up) I'm planning to submit it to PR very soon (and I think it has GA and FA potential). Daniel Case (talk) 04:49, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd say that the main issue is too much detail in the route description; the stuff about the medians and the guardrail is too much, for example. None of our FAs are that detailed, and that sort of detail tends to bore the reader. The cite to the Youtube video seems a bit sketchy to me as well.
Just as a heads up, I wouldn't recommend submitting to PR. A lot of articles are being archived from there after two weeks with nobody reviewing except a bot, so it might be an unnecessary delay. Once you pass GA, we have WP:HWY/ACR and articles from there have a 90% pass rate at FAC. I know there's some sort of issues that some members of the New York roads project have with the U.S. roads project (which is frustrating, because they won't tell me what these issues are to begin with), but the truth is that we still remain a functional project that fosters collaboration, and we would be happy to help you out. --Rschen7754 06:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't get the one about HWY PR. Is it pretty much as dead as it looks? As for regular PR, I don't mind. I got a review last time around (Independence Pass) which proved quite helpful; and I will definitely be doing one myself as a QPQ.
Since this isn't a NY road, I'm not worried about any issues (and I have heard Mitchazenia talk at length about those, believe me). Yes, it's detailed ... better from my perspective to have too much and then cut than too little and have to add (as, in fact, I recently told someone at PR). Daniel Case (talk) 04:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I suppose I didn't mention HWY PR, but it's dead and I'm considering tagging it historical. I've found our A-Class review to be the most helpful, but having it pass GA is a prerequisite for that. --Rschen7754 04:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I have to say, the C-Class assessment looks highly speculative. There is a difference between detail like this and turn-by-turn detail, which we have issues with in east-coast articles. –Fredddie™ 13:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I have an unknown amount of edits
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Hello,
I have not requested for adminship yet because I have less than 5,000 edits, but can you find out how many edits I have made?
Here is a link to my contributions to see how many edits I have made:
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Thanks! Hope yours is good too! --Rschen7754 22:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hey Rschen! Would you like many more userboxes on your user page? If yes, then please see this page and you will have many more userboxes on your user page! Also, you might like to create a page called "User:Rschen7754/Userboxes" and add your userboxes there! Cheers and Merry Christmas! CURTAINTOAD!TALK! 02:33, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I actually used to have that page and kept about a hundred userboxes on there - but a lot of them got deleted and I finally just deleted the whole page since it was a huge mess. Now I keep them all on my userpage. Thanks though! --Rschen7754 04:05, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
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I considered sending personalized fancy templates but then I ran out of time and more importantly, energy. So a merry Christmas to you. To my fellow roads project editors, I'm grateful to be part of such a good team and for your friendship especially through the ups and downs in my personal life in 2012. To those outside the roads project this year that I've met through #wikipedia-en-admins and OTRS and whatever, it's been great meeting you and I look forward to getting more involved in the project in general, and I'm thankful for your advice. Hopefully 2013 will be more calm than the last few months and we can write an encyclopedia. --Rschen7754 07:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
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TheGeneralUser(talk) is wishing you a MerryChristmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
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Hello Rschen7754! Wishing you a very Happy Merry Christmas :) TheGeneralUser(talk) 13:44, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks and same to you! --Rschen7754 22:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Availability
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Over the next few days my ability will be somewhat limited; see User:Rschen7754/Wikistatus for a more up to date schedule. --Rschen7754 22:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for tending to User:Kickcensorship so speedily last night. You might want to glance through the history of an old editor named User:Roman888, who was community banned in March 2011. I can't be sure, but my sense of this latest episode coupled with a lot of experience with the banned user makes me think this may be Roman888 back in a new form. --Drmargi (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem. I don't really know if we can link the two accounts though, or if doing it would be productive. --Rschen7754 17:59, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Ahhhnd, he's back. See the diff [3] on my talk page, his only edit so far. I'm not terribly worried about linking to old accounts; he'll grab enough rope hang himself in no time. --Drmargi (talk) 07:15, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Indefblocked. --Rschen7754 15:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry for the hassle; Roman has been gone so long, I'm not entirely sold on this being him, but slightly wonky English is right, the timing fits Australia if we assume the typical editor edits in their evening hours, and the censorship nonsense is fairly consistent with his line of thinking. I'm wondering if I should open a case at SPI just to document all this. He may keep at it another day or two before he finally gets bored, picks up his toys and goes elsewhere. He has a long, long history of socking, and for most if it, created accounts rather than socking via an IP.
There were actually two new accounts overnight: did you notice User:DrMaggiemee? That was the one I contacted you about, but didn't do the link correctly. I left his first post on my talk page and responded to it. After I went to bed, AussieLegend reverted his second post on my talk page, which was more aggressive than the one I left for you to see, then tagged all three accounts as possible socks of Roman888. The second one popped up after Aussie's revert, and I didn't see it until you'd already indeff'd it. --Drmargi (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, now that he's doing more a SPI should probably happen to check for sleepers and/or block an IP. --Rschen7754 16:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll get on it today. Facepalm Honestly, when you think about the things in this world to which you can devote frustrated energy, why choose such nonsense as this? --Drmargi (talk) 17:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Surprisingly, this is pretty mild compared to other sock farms. BTW, indef'ed the other account. --Rschen7754 17:05, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Based on what I've read, this is a walk in the park compared to some, thankfully. Again, I appreciate your being so on the ball with this! We SoCal (geographically, not academically; I'm a Bruin) folk need to stick together! --Drmargi (talk) 17:15, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #38
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. It's rather short this time because pretty much everyone enjoys some well-deserved vacation.
Development
Some of us unwrapped gifts (-:
Started working on supporting different kinds of Snaks in the user interface
Fixing support for PostgreSQL in core, which was broken with introduction of the sites stuff
Code reviewing of changes in MediaWiki core
Adding watchlist filter in client for Wikidata changes
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{{Trout}}
For blocking a newbie for doing things experienced editors do, since that must mean it's a sockpuppet and could never be a good-faith editor. Great job biting a newbie and assuming bad faith! Oh, wait, that's against the rules... RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 02:06, 29 December 2012 (UTC) NOTE: Much of that may or may not have been but definitely was sarcasm.
Going to add to this - I've been an admin for seven years now, and you really get a sense for this sort of thing after a while. Not to say that experience trumps everything, but sometimes it matters, and in this case it does. --Rschen7754 04:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Shall I cook that trout with some fava beans and a nice chianti? --Drmargi (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Happy New Year!
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CURTAINTOAD!TALK! — is wishing you a Happy New Year! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
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Hey Rschen7754! Wishing you a very happy New Year :) CURTAINTOAD!TALK! 09:20, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Working for blocked contributors
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This is ridiculous. If you really have a gripe, go to WP:ANI. --Rschen7754 23:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi - please do not work for banned blocked users - diff - your an admin and should avoid that - Youreallycan 23:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
... what? Do you want the nominator of that GAN to wait weeks without getting the GA passed? This is wikilawyering at its finest. --Rschen7754 23:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't give a damn about anything apart from your admin status and your involved position and removing it - Youreallycan 23:54, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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Explanation
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Hi Rschen, didn't mean to suggest that you knew what was going on, simply that I'd heard whispers as early as October. I meant to refactor the indents on my comments on the other page but it's much too late now. Also, thanks for notifying SilkTork - I should have done that immediately but I'm really not thinking clearly right now. Anyway, just wanted to explain. I think my comments may have come across wrong. No offense was intended. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
No, not a problem. Yeah, my first FA was in early 2009 and then I largely stayed away from FAC until 2011, so I had no idea who Mattisse was, though I'd seen the name thrown about a few times. --Rschen7754 02:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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My talk page is not an extension of the FAC drama. --Rschen7754 21:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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You asked a question on my talk that I regret to have to answer, as it will appear to be revisiting old issues, but nonetheless, clearing it up may help. At the time the most recent example happened, I was hosting a Christmas dinner and missed it-- didn't see it until well after it was all done, so it seemed at the time best to let it go. I only bring it up here because you asked, and because I'm tired of seeing my name thrown around with inaccurate statements.
You beat me to notifying SilkTork of a discussion on my talk, so clearly you understand when you should notify another editor. [4]
You made an unexplained statement about me here. I'm not really interested at this juncture at knowing why you hold this view, but if you again make a similar statement, I'd appreciate a notification so I can address the incomplete and inaccurate information that is throughout that discussion on Kiefer's talk. If you are unaware of the relevant facts, in the future you might either refrain from offering an uninformed opinion, or at least notify the affected when you are maligning them. I'm unaware of what else led to Kiefer's block, and didn't have time to follow it then nor will I now, but those who claimed he was making a personal attack when he was stating a diffable fact should either familiarize themselves with the diffable history or refrain from commenting when they are uninformed.
Then you further made a statement about me at ANI, and again failed to notify me so I could address the inaccuracies. [5] Again, at this juncture, I prefer to ignore continued provocation from all previously involved parties, and hope they will desist, so I'm not really interested in following up on why you hold this view, but should you say things about me in the future, particularly at ANI, please add a diff so that those unaware of the accurate facts can see the discussions and form accurate opinions, and please notify me.
It is bad enough that I and other editors have been the target of multiple socks, users returning under new names to revisit old grudges, and sock enablers for several years, but what I will no longer sit by for is seeing the FA process maligned and implicated because of a small handful of editors bearing grudges. Please notify me in the future if you feel you must weigh in on matters when you are unaware of the history. Thanks, I suspect you're actually one of the "good guys", and aren't even aware that you've been doing this. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, you and Wehwalt have been going at it for several months now. FA RFC a year ago? The ArbCom request I filed? Motion to sanction Elen? The ArbCom elections? Nixon? Maybe there's times where you do get along, but I sure haven't seen them in the last year. (To be clear, it's both of you at fault here). For the record, I thought Keifer's block was at least reasonable - he was a bit out of control. --Rschen7754 20:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
OK, you don't get it and you're not going to get it, apparently, so my simple request stands ... the next time you make (your version of disparaging and inaccurate and false and in misogynistic conversations) about me or FAC, please be sure to notice me so I can correct you when and where it occurs. Even better yet, since you have no idea what you're talking about, how about you just knock it off, ala keep your nose out of business you know nothing of, or provide a diff for those who care about accuracy which doesn't concern you? Your opinions are just that, and when not backed by diffs, they begin to amount to personal attacks, so stop it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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Rschen7754 is intelligent and reasonable, but he may suffer from a wish to be kind to all parties rather than be just: Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
His was the only ArbGuide to say anything about the FA debacle, before yours, and he appears to be the only person to have commented on the W's statement, which shocked me at the time (soon after I had tried to make you two chuckle with a Star Trek unfair use...). W had not defended the statement or made counter-attacks, which I think shows he understands how serious it was; I'd like to imagine that it was a first-time use of pseudophedrine or whiplash or something that should remain private that resulted in the utterance.
Thus, he is one of the best administrators around.
Regarding my block: Which block? By Giant Snowman? Or ( at least relevant to SG) by BWilkins? BWilkins has still not supplied diffs. If you support his block, perhaps you would supply the diffs? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:53, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Kiefer, hard to tell which comments are aimed at me and which at Rschen, but I don't remember anything about StarTrek, am not sure what you're referring to, and honestly I don't want to know, so don't fill me in. I want all of this to end ... that includes the continued provocation from the involved, but also the proliferation of false statements by admins surrounding the FA issues who are painfully underinformed. Just Stop, Everyone, Please. I answered Rschen's question out of courtesy, I have refrained from supplying the diffs that might demonstrate just how wrong he is and that conversation on your talk was because I am uninterested in dredging up the old history. I want it to stop ... that includes from you, Rschen. You are furthering falsehoods and disruption, so supply diffs in the future, notify me, or leave me and FAC out of it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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ArbCom Amendment
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If you're trying to get me to redact my statement, it won't work. This isn't about "like" or "dislike", it's about what is best for the project, and it's clear that you are willing to disregard the wishes of the community, by your flouting of the community sanctions. This isn't going anywhere fast, so hatting. --Rschen7754 21:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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I am undoubtedly being incredibly dense but your comment "per Coren" really explains nothing. It seems to me that even if you produced evidence that eat babies for breakfast, and plan to appeal a conviction for treason in Her Majesty's Dock Yards, this has no bearing on the truth or falsity of a simple Finding of Fact. This is not about whether I am a Good Person™ or have done anything else, this is about a very narrow, but damaging, and untrue statement. You said somewhere that you have matured while you have been on Wikipedia, so I was happy to quietly accept a 2 week block on the basis that you were "uninvolved" - the mess that made it seem like a good block to you was not your fault (though even then the haste was unseemly). However since then you have defended abuse of office, and made other negative comments on my talk page. Now you attempt to sabotage a perfectly straight forward proceeding by throwing in irrelevant material in an attempt to make me me look bad. Well I now lay aside my provisional labelling of you as uninvolved. It is true that I assume good faith far more than most Wikipedians, and am constantly encouraging others to do so, but that does not mean that I turn a blind eye. RichFarmbrough, 01:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC).
It's an obvious attempt to chip away at the case piece by piece, and it's clear from the diff that I posted that an appeal of your sanctions is your big-picture goal. --Rschen7754 01:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
And that is a good thing, and one I have discussed openly with at least three arbitrators, and posted on the talk page of the original case 6 weeks ago. We remove all the falsehoods from the case and watch it come tumbling down. You think it is good to leave up damaging untruths about me? RichFarmbrough, 05:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC).
Coren and Risker (!) summarize my viewpoint pretty well. --Rschen7754 06:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Risker says anyone asking for an amendment doesn't deserve it. It is not about "deserve" it is a about right and wrong. Just because you don't like someone, it does not make it OK to promulgate damaging falsehoods about them. I would suggest you read 1984, Animal Farm and Murder in Samarkand to understand how sustaining this sort of iniquity has dire consequences. RichFarmbrough, 21:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC).
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Happy New Year!
Latest comment: 11 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Best wishes for the New Year!
Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013!
Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate this year, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year.
Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, with the help of many dedicated Wikipedians!
Thank you, and I hope that yours is good as well. --Rschen7754 08:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
I used your FAC as the most recent example of what I view as the thoughtful environment and interplay between reviewers, delegates, and nominators that exists, even when faced with difficult interaction: see here. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Wikidata in dewp
Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Hi, You put a link on the German roads page and Daniel749 deleted your edit. I wrote something down on our Roads talk about wikidata (a little bit more than your link;) and invited the German writers to help us in the road task force. Greetings from Germany, -- feuerst – talk 20:00, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Latest comment: 11 years ago11 comments4 people in discussion
Hey Rschen7754, I'm Curtaintoad again. I think I have read this entire page about becoming an admin someday. Once I have had much more time on Wikipedia, and over 6,000 edits, hopefully I'll become one someday -- I'll create a page called "Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Curtaintoad". Thank you, CURTAINTOAD!TALK! 00:50, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I'd say that patience is a good thing, though - I kept quiet about wanting to become an admin until someone offered to nominate me. --Rschen7754 00:52, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Once I have made over 6,000 edits, I'll create the page :) CURTAINTOAD!TALK! 08:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
No no no you've got it all wrong. Doing it that way is a guarantee for your RFA to fail. Remember, it has to pass, right? With your reputation, you have to convince us that you would be a good admin. Saying "I want to be an admin" with 1,000 of your 6,000 edits is not the way to do it. --Rschen7754 15:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I've checked on another page, and I need to make 6,000 edits within one year. I'll get busy! Cheers, CURTAINTOAD!TALK! 06:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Again, you're far from the mark. I have two questions for you: 1) if one edits their userpage 6,000 times, and has no other edits, do you think that will result in a successful RFA? 2) Many RFAs of users that have over 6,000 edits fail. Why do you think that is? --Rschen7754 07:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
1) No.
2) Maybe it's because you need to make over 6,000 edits in 'articles'.
Curtaintoad, it's not about how many edits you have, people have passed with 3-4000, and failed with over 100k. It's about how you act and what experience you have. See my magic formula for details. WormTT(talk) 09:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Curtaintoad, I have about 8500 edits and don't think that I would come even close to passing an RfA; it would probably get snow closed. Edit count isn't everything. Look through some old successful RfAs and some old unsuccessful RfAs, and you'll get a good idea of what kinds of things you should be doing, but a hint, doing everything with a "how will this effect my RfA" is not one of the things you should do. Happy editing. GoPhightins! 15:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. I noticed you posted a response on the arbitration request of Fedor. Not sure if it makes the matter any different, but I edited it to reflect that this one issue effects two pages. And that IP edits are to blame for one set of the removing of sourced content. Not sure if you had seen that. Thanks PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 03:04, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
SPI clerk
Latest comment: 11 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Hello, are you still interested in being an SPI clerk? I'd be willing to take you on as a trainee if you are. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:40, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
For the onwiki record, yes. --Rschen7754 02:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Unblocked - seems that I missed that in all their removing of the talk page warnings. That being said, I doubt they will be back - it seems they had one purpose to edit, and when they realized it was not possible, moved on. --Rschen7754 04:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Is it okay for Presidentsomeday0000 to remove messages on the talk page? I reverted it. CURTAINTOAD!TALK! 04:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
It's not exactly nice, but yes, it is allowed. The only thing that isn't allowed to be removed are declined unblock requests. --Rschen7754 04:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I actually don't know (I've been a clerk for less than 24 hours!) I've left a note asking for another clerk to double-check though. --Rschen7754 23:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
No probs. I rather thought that might be the case. Good luck and thanks for volunteering! - Sitush (talk) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 07 January 2013
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Hello, Rschen7754. Please check your email; you've got mail! Message added 01:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
I've received it but it will take some time for me to look into. I'll try to get to it tomorrow. --Rschen7754 06:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I have now replied. --Rschen7754 10:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Georgia State Route 20 et al
Latest comment: 11 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion
I saw your note on SR 20's talk page regarding recentism - and I am not sure how to interpret it. Would you mind clarifying, so that I can take this feedback and actually convert it into action, if possible? On a separate note, I have added a couple of references to SR 306 and SR 369, as requested. I think a C rating may be just fine, but if you'd like to reevaluate to B, be my guest. And on a really separate note, I put a suggestion into Morriswa's talk page about updating census statistics - maybe he'll bite... Thank you! Concertmusic (talk) 18:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Basically, you spend three entire paragraphs talking about a 2003 accident. This gives more bias and weight to recent events. See Wikipedia:Recentism. I'll take a look at the other two articles. --Rschen7754 18:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Ah - I thought that might be what you meant! That is not my work - it was there before I started the cleanup, and as a matter of fact, I put a note into the Talk page asking whether this may be considered trivial info. Please advise whether this should be removed, or whether we grandfather it into the article. Concertmusic (talk) 18:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Basically, it reads like a memorial site, which Wikipedia is not. We don't discuss accidents unless they have some overall significance that is important to the road. This one may be significant, but there's way too much detail, and a lot of it is unsourced. --Rschen7754 18:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. I have removed the section altogether. Concertmusic (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Task force merging
Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
It really doesn't. Before January 2012, we really functioned as one project regardless of whatever states we edited; this just made it official. By the way, we have an IRC channel too - see WP:HWY/IRC. --Rschen7754 22:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
List of parties
Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
What do any of those have to do with the topic ban? Are they also appealing a topic ban of the same subject? It was my understanding that I was the only editor involved, and the only other editor involved was the admin administrating the ban. Now if we want to discuss the topic, instead of the ban, there are others involved. But there are three issues, the topic ban, the topic, and discussion of the topic, each with a different group involved. Apteva (talk) 01:27, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I plan to make the connections in my statement. --Rschen7754 01:46, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Internet issues
Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
My Internet just went out for 45 minutes, and it's still cutting in and out. I'm really hoping that it stays up, but I can't guarantee that, and I have no idea if it will be working tomorrow morning.
Should my Internet go out again for an extended period, I will still be able to respond to email, so if you need to get a hold of me, that is the best way to do. --Rschen7754 08:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Username issue
Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Dear Rschen7754,
I appreciate Your blocking of the account "German Feather Research Group" that I created, based on Wikipedia's policy that no group or organization should be represented by a user name. By adding valuable external links to Wikipedia's entries on European bird species, I am not only representing the interests of a small group of feather researchers, but the interests of bird watchers and Nature lovers in general, who represent a large community within Wikipedia. So I changed to my new, individual user name HumanArchAngel. I noticed that You tagged some of my previous external references that I added as being on the TOP of the list. Since this top position may not be acceptable to You, I will move all of these links as well as any future links to the BOTTOM of the reference list. What I am doing here is to add scientific references of Wikipedia entries on European bird species, by completing an already existing list of links to the extremely valuable Atlas to the Birds of Aragon that is offered online for free, i. e. without any commercial interests of a publisher, on the website http://www.ibercajalav.net/actividades.php?codopcion=2251&codopcion2=2502
I am simply adding the name of the co-author of this work to the list of references on Wikipedia, because so far only the name of the first author is mentioned. If You do not permit mentioning any names of authors at all in the references, then to be consequent You will have to delete the name of the main author in ALL entries of these 220 bird species on which there are links to this Atlas to the Birds of Aragon. Mentioning only the first author without mentioning the second author would not be fair, as this would be an unequal "promotion" from the side of Wikipedia for the first author. So either You allow me to add the name of the co-author, or You do the work of removing the name of the first author in all these entries. There is no reason why the second author should not be mentioned, as this is the valid system of quoting a work in the scientific literature, and doing so in a scientific way is not considered "spam" or "promotion", it is simply providing the information by which the work can be identified. Again, this is an unusual piece of work that is made available for free in PDF form and allows the sexing and ageing of birds on high-quality photographs that were produced over the course of many years without any commercial interest. it is all volunteer work, and this information is of high value to bird watchers and Nature lovers who visit these entries on birds on the websites of Wikipiedia.
I have myself no commercial or other interest in promoting the work of this Atlas of the Birds of Aragon as I am not involved in it. I simply find that this is valuable information made available for free on the internet, so it should be linked to Wikipedia to be widely known. I am planning to include links to this Atlas of the Birds of Aragon also in the German and Spanish Wikipedia entries for these bird species as German and Spanish users will be grateful for links to this valuable Atlas, too, which permits to identify the age and sex of birds in great detail.
Thank You for Your understanding and I hope that birds will bring You joy, too
