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January 2023
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Peter Machajdík albums
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Blueprint (Alice Bag album) moved to draftspace
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- Don't move an article that I'm actively editing. Why would you do that? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Bibliographies of Peruvian writers
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Classical albums by Slovak artists
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American Socialists
Koavf: May I ask: what is the rationale for removing "American Socialist" from the profile for Jack Stachel (and others)? - Aboudaqn (talk) 14:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I thought that I included an edit summary, so sorry if I didn't, but anyone in Category:American communists is already subcategorized in Category:American socialists, so it's overcategorization. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:French dissidents
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Unicode
[I'm moving my last comment up so it doesn't get lost in TLDR.]
In your first edit summary, you said, "This should be the characters themselves, not graphics." That suggests you didn't notice that they were the characters themselves, plus the graphics. You did not add the characters, you only removed the graphics so those characters would not be legible. This is equivalent to changing "A" to ")" as the character at code point U+0041 in the table at Basic Latin. In that article, the browser will convert the code points to graphics. In this case, it won't, so we need to compensate. The Unicode characters are there either way, as you can test by copying from the tables and pasting into Wiktionary -- you get the same results no matter which table you use, just that you need to do that with your table to know what the characters are, and don't need to for the old table. — kwami (talk) 02:15, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Please don't make articles purposefully illegible. If you want to make the Unicode article useless, fine -- no-one will use it anyway. But please don't mess with the main article. Your edit provides nothing, only detracts. — kwami (talk) 23:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Why is it better to have images for a fourth time instead of the characters themselves? There's nothing "messed up" with actually including the characters in the article on the characters. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- But that's not what we're talking about, is it? There's no "instead" here. The characters were already in the table. You're not including anything, only excluding something -- visibility. To turn your question around, why is it better to make the table illegible, important enough to edit-war over? AFAICT there is no font available that will make these characters visible to the reader. A general guideline on WP is that we shouldn't include useless material, or make useful material useless. If the reader can't see it, it's useless.
- As for why we have them a fourth time, easy: we're showing which characters are at which codes. If the reader can't see the characters, the table is useless, so why have it at all?
- Just a reminder, you're now at 3RR. If you continue I will report you to ANI. You've given no reason for deleting this info (the Unicode values of the characters) from the article. — kwami (talk) 01:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't remove the graphics the last time, you just removed the characters. How is that better? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Just to clarify: you replaced the actual characters (Unicode code points that display as characters) with the Unicode values (Unicode code points that display as boxes containing the code points). So with your edit, we say that at code point U+1D2C0 we have character U+1D2C0. What's the point of that? Better to show which character occurs at the code point.
With your latest revert, you created two tables, one legible and one illegible, while implying that the legible table does not include the Unicode characters even though it does. Again, what's the point, and why mislead the reader?
I have supplied a font to phabricator. Hopefully they'll add it to Wikimedia before too long. When they do -- or when we support fonts that are available to readerrs -- we can of course display just the code points and let the browser handle it. — kwami (talk) 01:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Nowhere in the article Kaktovik numerals do they have those numerals. Ctrl+f <𝋁> and you get no responses. How is that a good thing? How is it better to have SVG graphics of these characters four times in the article and on the section about the digital characters themselves never actually have the characters in the article? Also, why do you think it's better to contradict MOS:TABLECAPTION and make the article less accessible? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Dance music albums by Saint Vincent and the Grenadines artists
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Speedy deletion nomination of 8 (Spinners album)
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8 (Spinners album) moved to draftspace
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FWIW
FWIW, over at WP:Albums, I mean no disrespect whatsoever. We may disagree, but that's ok. While I'm personally bothered by how we categorize albums, at the end of the day I want what's best for other editors and Wikipedia's readers. I'm trying to understand why you prefer the current system, so thanks for replying to my follow-up questions. I promise I'm going to step away and let others chime in, I just wanted some initial clarification.
Thanks and happy editing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- I have never gotten that impression and if I have done anything to imply that to you, please accept my apologies. I respect your contributions and perspective, even if we disagree. I in no way have any problem with you. Thanks kindly for reaching out. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:00, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Wonderful! You did nothing wrong, all good. Cya 'round the wiki. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Categorisation and edit summaries
Hi Koavf, thanks for correcting the mistake I made in the category for this album cover. I'd been doing a lot of them, and clearly got the syntax wrong on this one!
In future though, please add a more meaningful edit summary than just "why?". If people have notifications enabled, this looks the same as someone covering up vandalism edits.
Cheers --RubenSchade (talk) 00:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, I guess I hadn't thought of that. Thanks. Had I been more articulate and helpful, I would have written something like "Hey, maybe see if you had similar edits like this nine years ago, just in case you made this error multiple times", but I didn't, so thanks for helping me instead. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
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Do you have imminent plans to make an article for one of the other albums listed at that disambiguation page, or do you know of another editor who does? If not, I don't see the point of moving the Hey Monday album if it's the only one with an article. QuietHere (talk) 04:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hold On Tight (Solomon Burke and De Dijk album) ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy: Selected filmography, Television shows and appearances
Since I cannot add this since I’m not an extended autoconfirmed user, can you add Zelenskyy’s appearance during the 12th NFL Honors? Source: https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/nfl-honors-highlights-defenders-of-ukraine/ LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 03:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Done ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:59, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 00:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Natalie Merchant: Save Your Courage
Hi, I was just wondering why you reverted my edit. Thanks so much! Partyclams (talk) 03:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry if my edit summary wasn't clear, but per WP:ALBUMSTYLE, there are multiple valid ways of presenting a track listing. Why would you change an existing style? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I’m just used to seeing it the other way. I did it with the Des’ree album because Spotify actually has the full credits. There are different writers and producers listed for each track. Wasn’t sure how else to list them without some sort of template there. I appreciate your work on here, btw. Thank you for taking the time to comment back. Partyclams (talk) 03:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Of course and I appreciate your time. Is Spotify a reliable source? I'm not familiar with them. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. It’s used by the record labels like Apple Music. It’s one of the biggest music streamers. Des’ree actually did release the liner notes on her web site. It’s a digital booklet: [1] Partyclams (talk) 03:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Wow, that's odd, as I saw liner notes elsewhere that lacked these details. Thanks for helping! Do you want to add this detail or do you want me to do it? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Whichever is easier. Just let me know. :) Partyclams (talk) 03:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I put in the mistaken info, so it's only fair that I undo my mistake. Thanks again for collaborating. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Happy to help. Thanks again! Partyclams (talk) 04:18, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I put in the mistaken info, so it's only fair that I undo my mistake. Thanks again for collaborating. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Whichever is easier. Just let me know. :) Partyclams (talk) 03:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Wow, that's odd, as I saw liner notes elsewhere that lacked these details. Thanks for helping! Do you want to add this detail or do you want me to do it? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. It’s used by the record labels like Apple Music. It’s one of the biggest music streamers. Des’ree actually did release the liner notes on her web site. It’s a digital booklet: [1] Partyclams (talk) 03:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Of course and I appreciate your time. Is Spotify a reliable source? I'm not familiar with them. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I’m just used to seeing it the other way. I did it with the Des’ree album because Spotify actually has the full credits. There are different writers and producers listed for each track. Wasn’t sure how else to list them without some sort of template there. I appreciate your work on here, btw. Thank you for taking the time to comment back. Partyclams (talk) 03:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Album categories
Hello, Koavf,
I wanted to let you know that the Album categories (for Importance) are due to be deleted tomorrow night but only one of them has been emptied (you can see them at Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion). Because of WP:REDNO, we can't have red link categories on any pages so we can't delete the categories until they are empty. I haven't removed the speedy deletion CSD C1 tags from the categories because I thought they might still be emptied by their deletion date. But if they are not emptied by tomorrow, I'll remove the tag and they can be retagged when they do become empty. Thanks for all of your work! Liz Read! Talk! 01:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Liz: They are all empty: find a page that is actually in one of the categories. This is just a matter of the database updating itself. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Country and Irish albums
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Rick Astley remix albums
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Jars of Clay video albums
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March 2023
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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Supermarket Sweep, you may be blocked from editing. Please knock it off. You won't let me discuss or even create a page, even if I do add citations. BrickMaster02 (talk) 22:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Why do you think it's appropriate to add unsourced information and to remove talk page posts? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- It doesn't pertain because there was nothing wrong...aside from the lack of citations, I'll give you that. If you want me to add citations, I will, but actually DISCUSS at the talk page BEFORE you make the edits. BrickMaster02 (talk) 22:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've reinstated your edits...at least until I find reliable sources. Now, can we PLEASE put this whole "drama" behind us? BrickMaster02 (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- As I already asked you: "Why do you think it's appropriate to add unsourced information and to remove talk page posts?" ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's been there for years, and I was willing to actually add reliable sources...don't know about now as I might get banned again, maybe for good. I've had to deal with people vandalizing that table, as one version didn't even exist for example. If you want me to add legit sources, I will. If you don't, I won't add them. BrickMaster02 (talk) 22:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- "Why do you think it's appropriate to add unsourced information and to remove talk page posts?" ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- I already answered the first one. For the second, it's not. It never is. I should've stopped in advance. And I didn't add the international table in the first place, if you were wondering. BrickMaster02 (talk) 23:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- "Why do you think it's appropriate to add unsourced information and to remove talk page posts?" ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's been there for years, and I was willing to actually add reliable sources...don't know about now as I might get banned again, maybe for good. I've had to deal with people vandalizing that table, as one version didn't even exist for example. If you want me to add legit sources, I will. If you don't, I won't add them. BrickMaster02 (talk) 22:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- As I already asked you: "Why do you think it's appropriate to add unsourced information and to remove talk page posts?" ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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Ref names
Use of "" are preferred, but optional, and not necessary if the characters are strung together. Why do we need the quotes when it only adds extra content in formatting? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's best practice and someone may well add a reference that requires them. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- That does not answer the question. How is it a best practice if it adds unnecessary characters? It seems to me following practices that do not add value to the project is actually not a best practice. If they are required in the case of a non-strung set of characters, then it is necessary, but that’s not the case here. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Where's a good venue to find editors to clean up mangled citations?
I reverted a bunch of the most recent changes by user:Philoserf but this contribution list has a large number of these "Expanding bare references" edits, and I don’t really have the bandwidth to carefully look through every one. What's the best page for organizing some community effort to look carefully through these? My initial guess is that hundreds of them need to be reverted or fixed, but that might be an underestimate. –jacobolus (t) 20:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oh wow. :/ Probably just WP:AN in general. That will get eyes on it and allow someone to have some judicious oversight re: these silly edits. I sincerely hate these semi-automated tools for expanding references, as they create almost as many problems as they solve. Let me know how I can help, J. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- I am also pretty annoyed in general by bots and semi-automated script edits. The script being used here a bit too cavalierly made a mess of a significant proportion of the citations it converted for IMO mostly marginal benefits when it works properly. References can be improved by conversion to templates, but it inevitably requires a nontrivial amount of human effort to check the links, fix the metadata, etc.
- I don’t think any harm was meant and I’m not trying to give Philoserf a hard time, shame them, get them in trouble, or whatever. But I do feel a bit overwhelmed by the number of edits that need to be manually double-checked here. Are administrators per se the folks to ask? Does anyone have good tools for splitting up work like this so each person only needs to check a few dozen pages? –jacobolus (t) 22:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think harm was meant either, but he's either 1.) serious about being retired, so getting in trouble is irrelevant or 2.) throwing a petulant temper tantrum instead of being collaborative, in which case, being in trouble is appropriate. I take a lot of time and effort to make sure that all claims I add are sourced and that the sources are fully documented and well-formed. It's not too much to ask that others at least don't make the sourcing more inaccurate and wrong here if they won't take the time to do it correctly. I think that admins are perfectly appropriate for handling this and unfortunately, since the state of metadata on the Web is very shoddy, there are no reliable scripts/bots/semi-automated tools that can do this work without human intervention. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- I added a post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#help cleaning up mangled citations. –jacobolus (t) 03:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think harm was meant either, but he's either 1.) serious about being retired, so getting in trouble is irrelevant or 2.) throwing a petulant temper tantrum instead of being collaborative, in which case, being in trouble is appropriate. I take a lot of time and effort to make sure that all claims I add are sourced and that the sources are fully documented and well-formed. It's not too much to ask that others at least don't make the sourcing more inaccurate and wrong here if they won't take the time to do it correctly. I think that admins are perfectly appropriate for handling this and unfortunately, since the state of metadata on the Web is very shoddy, there are no reliable scripts/bots/semi-automated tools that can do this work without human intervention. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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Airboy
Sorry, my bad! Will not do so in the future, thought it was a mistake of mine =) BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 17:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
- If I had a dollar for every mistake I'd made, I would retire on an island. Pobody's nerfect, friend. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, thanks! =) BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 19:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I need your opinion
Hello @Koavf, I hope you're doing well. As you've been editing Western Sahara-related articles, I wanted to get your opinion on some content I added to the Western Sahara article, which was later reverted by another editor. I have initiated a discussion on the talk page. Thank you. SimoooIX (talk) 18:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello, regarding this edit, please explain exactly how "universal acclaim" is sourced. The only source that supports a summary statement is the BBC article, which summarizes the reception as "generally favourable", which I paraphrased as "generally positive". The Metacritic article does nothing more than list critical reviews; it does not assign an aggregate score or make its own summary statement. Attempting to support a summary statement with the Metacritic article would constitute WP:SYNTHesis of the critic reviews. Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 15:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Throast: Thanks. I think the language here now is acceptable. What do you think? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:36, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- I have to say, I can't agree completely. "Widespread acclaim" is phrasing that can only be a result of synthesizing the critic reviews the Metacritic article lists. I would remove that part specifically and keep the rest. You don't have to attribute the BBC claim because BBC is reliable. The Metacritic info reads too OR-y, imo. This is my proposal:
Upon airing, the episode received generally favorable reviews.[BBC] A round-up of critical reviews by Metacritic assessed 25 reviews as "extremely positive", 19 as "positive", and four as "mixed/so-so".[Metacritic]
Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 15:45, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- I have to say, I can't agree completely. "Widespread acclaim" is phrasing that can only be a result of synthesizing the critic reviews the Metacritic article lists. I would remove that part specifically and keep the rest. You don't have to attribute the BBC claim because BBC is reliable. The Metacritic info reads too OR-y, imo. This is my proposal:
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Hello @Koavf:, could you please create an article for American actress and comedian Dana Powell, who appeared credited in more than 55 film and television projects and is best known for appearing as recurring character Pam Tucker on the TV sitcom Modern Family? Votbek (talk) 21:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Question About Box Set Noteworthiness
I thought you perhaps could help me with something. The band Ace of Base just came out with a 26 disc singles box set this week. The singles have brand new remixes (done just for the set on each individual disc) added to them. There are also a few unreleased singles included in it. Would this box set be noteworthy enough to have its own page? I’ve seen that other box sets have pages listing each disc’s tracklist. TIA! Partyclams (talk) 00:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Notability is all about sources. So if you find multiple sources (preferably over time) discussing it at length, then yes. If not, then no. Typically, if you can at least find a single review from an acceptable source or prove that it charted, that's the bare minimum. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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Touch Me I'm Sick
Hi Koavf! I didn't know that my edit on the "Touch Me I'm Sick" article would cause a break. I wasn't entirely sure of what those spaces were, now I understand. Thanks! Carlinal (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- No worries, friend: it was a great edit and you're helping make this a better resource. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
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how are you Ghu23 (talk) 10:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Getting over a cold and staying up too late, but I can't complain. You? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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Replacing rubbish with fake is not an improvement
Is there any reason why you think posting either version of One More Mountain was an acceptable use of the mainspace? The first one was an abandoned (sorry, "in use" while you were busy writing other articles) piece of junk, the newer version is just a copy of another album, Tonight!, and is not about One More Mountain at all. Could you at least try to wait to hit "save" until you have some semblance of an acceptable article, or else use sandboxes or drafts? "In use" is very nice to indicate that you are still expanding the article, it isn't an excuse to post anything you want. Fram (talk) 09:27, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- You are wrong. Anyway, have a nice day and be nice if you want to post here again. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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please help me Ghu23 (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, how? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:37, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
sahadeva
did you create sahadeva's page?? Ghu23 (talk) 05:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- No ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:00, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
hi
who created sahadeva's page ? Ghu23 (talk) 07:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sahadeva&action=history ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
link
what is this related link?? Ghu23 (talk) 03:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
- ??? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:38, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
ilnk
what is this related link??? Ghu23 (talk) 03:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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what did you link me to?? Ghu23 (talk) 06:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
- Please stop. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Inadvertent mistakes
Hi Justin. Just wanted to point out the mistakes you inadvertently introduced to R.E.M. discography. For example, "Mine Smell Like Honey" charted at #8 on the Adult Alternative Airplay, not on the Billboard Hot 100. You might not have noticed that the charts for each decade differed before you merged the tables into one table. Best regards and happy editing! --Muhandes (talk) 08:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
- Brilliant. I did not. :/ So sorry, Muhandes. It looks like you've edited it, so I think the only action here is for me to be more careful. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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who created sahadeva wikipedia?? Ghu23 (talk) 08:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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I want to know who created the page (sahadeva). Ghu23 (talk) 08:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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I don't want to know who edited it (sahadeva). Ghu23 (talk) 08:38, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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A Charlie Brown Christmas (soundtrack) deluxe adds
Please advise why consensus is needed to add reissue info to a music article. Please advise of rules that forbid such adds. Thank you.Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 00:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Alternative_track_listings. Also, there's an established style. Please stop adding the template, as we have talked about on your talk multiple times. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- "...when the tracks are the subject of extensive commentary in the article — such as information about recording and critical response." Simple enough. There is more than enough published analysis and detail on this. Stay tuned. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 15:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Just don't use the track listing template and add sources. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Just don't use the track listing template and add sources. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- "...when the tracks are the subject of extensive commentary in the article — such as information about recording and critical response." Simple enough. There is more than enough published analysis and detail on this. Stay tuned. Wk3v78k23tnsa (talk) 15:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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Question
Why is your Reddit account suspended. (Honest) 91.235.98.6 (talk) 08:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Trolls. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- What happened? Could you explain further? I'm curious! 46.251.48.190 (talk) 08:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's a recurring problem on the site. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- How did they get your account suspended though? 95.88.198.8 (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Abuse of the moderation system. Are you the same person posting from three different IPs? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Are you the same person posting from three different IPs?
Yes. Anyway, the reason I was asking about your Reddit account is because I wanted to PM you. Would you mind if I privately discussed over email instead? I already know your email. 216.10.217.141 (talk) 09:03, 31 May 2023 (UTC)- My email is public knowledge, so please feel free. Thanks for asking. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have sent an email. Check your inbox. 115.73.31.198 (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, the baseless ban has been removed (again). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I have sent an email. Check your inbox. 115.73.31.198 (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- My email is public knowledge, so please feel free. Thanks for asking. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Abuse of the moderation system. Are you the same person posting from three different IPs? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- How did they get your account suspended though? 95.88.198.8 (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's a recurring problem on the site. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- What happened? Could you explain further? I'm curious! 46.251.48.190 (talk) 08:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Re: Sucks
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
37.136.146.132 (talk) 11:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- I saw the thread, thanks. Not sure that I have much to offer now, but I wouldn't have even considered it had you not reached out. Thanks for educating me. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Nomination of Languages of the African Union for deletion
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Your GA nomination of This Stupid World
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- I've completed my initial review and left some comments. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Phatfish compilation albums
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Honest Don's Records EPs
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