Talk:Judaism and abortion

Conspiracy theories

In order to oppose conspiracy theories, it would appear useful to clarify what is the Jewish position on Gentile abortion. This is because there are raving antisemites out there that claim that Jews are leading pro-abortion advocates and that it is a moral duty for Jews to reduce the Gentile population. Is there a substantial difference between a Gentile abortion and a Jewish abortion ? (cf [1]) ADM (talk) 09:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Possible material to be included

I've been moving some of the extensive background material in History of early Christian thought on abortion to more appropriate articles, and while this article would seem to be the most appropriate place for this paragraph, I'm not sure where/if to include it because I lack the context to know how it would fit into the current article. Here is the text:

Regarding Jewish ideas on the subject of abortion, Theologian Odd Bakke says that Jewish discussion generally centered around two schools of thought:

The Alexandrian school, with a minority in the Palestinian school, held that the fetus acquired the juridical status of a human person at one particular point in time, while the Palestinian majority held that the fetus and the mother were one, so that the fetus on its own had no legal existence. The latter point of view entailed that abortion was allowed, or indeed even demanded, in certain situations. We must, however, emphasize that the Palestinian school discussed abortion almost exclusively in relation to "the problem of the legal and cultic status of the fetus, especially in relation to miscarriages and certain necessary (and usually late) abortions. Abortions in the early stages of pregnancy, 'on demand' or as a means of birth control 'is very likely not even contemplated in the Mishnaic law.'"

Source: Odd Magne Bakke, When children became people: the birth of childhood in early Christianity, p. 111

I'm not sure if the Alexandrian school is the one for which there exists an article or if Bakke is referring to something different, nor do I know what the Palestinian school is supposed to be. Presumably this would go in the "early rabbinic Judaism" section, but beyond that, I don't really know what to do with it. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

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Karaite Jewish views

Never in the Jewish Virtual Library article is there any mention of how Karaites consider Exodus 21:22 to apply to both mother and child.-70.190.102.49 (talk) 21:41, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

The article does mention Karaite commentators: "Philo (Spec., 3:108) specifically prescribes the imposition of the death penalty for causing an abortion, and the text is likewise construed in the Samaritan Targum and by a substantial number of Karaite commentators." Yaakovaryeh (talk) 02:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Bitter Waters Ordeal

The bible does include an intentional abortion by conspiracy of the husband and clergy in Ordeal_of_the_bitter_water. Why isn't this included in this article?Vampromero (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Do not change direct quotes

Hello @Animal lover 666: since we are working with direct quotes from actual translations and not our personal interpretations, we need to represent what the sources say. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 13:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Elizium23:Where is this specific translation from? The sourcing I saw is to the original Hebrew, which I understand. My correction is closer to the actual meaning of the Hebrew. Animal lover 666 (talk) 16:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Animal lover 666, it was actually quite poor grammar and a transparent attempt to be politically correct rather than faithful to the source material. Elizium23 (talk) 16:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

The Hebrew word אדם generally means either person, regardless of gender, or the name of the first person, who happened to be male. It's never used as a generic for male people as opposed to female, that would be איש. Animal lover 666 (talk) 16:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Animal lover 666, it is commonly understood by speakers of English that "man" and "mankind", etc. is a generic term for human persons of both sexes. This has been upheld constantly by usage and prescription for hundreds of years. Elizium23 (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what a c-class article is, but this is C- class, no one apart from an expert can understand it

I don't know what a c-class article is, but this is C- class, no one apart from an expert can understand it

107.3.134.101 (talk) 21:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

"Source" material

Biblical sources and rabbinic sources are not separate in Jewish thought. These two sections need to be combined and altered. In addition, Biblical sources should be changed to reflect the Torah and Judaism, not within an Christian lens. Awolin2002 (talk) 15:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)