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official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)
4. The lead image is theOfficial portrait, 2021
. (April 2021)
who is
as opposed to serving as
when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)
46th and current
as opposed to just 46th
when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)
Attention AlsoWukai
@AlsoWukai: Stop changing the first sentence, as you did here [1] and here [2]. You are in violation of policy: "You must follow the bold-revert-discuss cycle if your change is reverted. You may not reinstate your edit until you post a talk page message discussing your edit and have waited 24 hours from the time of this talk page message". You are also editing against consensus: "In the lead sentence, use "46th and current" as opposed to just "46th" when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)". GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Punctuation "fixes"
@Ronaldomundo: We do not put a period at the end of a sentence fragment, particularly in a caption. See MOS:CAPTION. Please revert. GA-RT-22 (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
I feel his time as VP deserves its own article
In the same way Al Gore's tenure as VP has its own article, I think Biden's time as VP for Obama should also have its own article. Vinnylospo (talk) 19:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I disagree. Furthermore, Gore's veep page should be deleted. We shouldn't have US vice presidency pages, at all. GoodDay (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with ya. It’s useless. IAmNotACoolPerson (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Vinny, we've gone over this. Don't suggest splits because you "feel" like something deserves it. Read WP:SPLIT for when it is appropriate to split content. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- He did little of note as VP. We don't need an article for everything in American politics. JDiala (talk) 08:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
"Withdrew after a series of health concerns"
May be technically true but makes it sound like he has cancer and also ignores the very well documented weeks of pressure from inside the party because they no longer thought he could win, which is arguably the main reason why he actually withdrew. I propose adding that context to this sentence if no one objects. Stavd3 (talk) 11:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, its makes it sound like he had Covid, as for the rest, find sources. Slatersteven (talk) 11:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is correct. He was pushed to recognize the dominant view of the party that he would have a tough time winning the election. Very widely, clearly, and explicitly reported. "Health" speculation, neurological, orthopedic, or infectious, was largely media filler and Trumpist boomerang oppo narrative. SPECIFICO talk 12:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, a growing number of party members publicly pushed for him to drop out of the race, even though he was the overwhelming choice as presidential nominee, by the primary/caucuses voters. GoodDay (talk) 13:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I presume you mean "had been the overwhelming..." SPECIFICO talk 15:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, as primaries/caucuses weren't held again. GoodDay (talk) 16:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry you didn't understand. What you wrote tells us you think he remained the choice of voters (unspecified small number who voted in any Dem primary) even at the time the overwhelming consensus of Dems was for him to withdraw. Maybe check your language again. No matter as long as such confusion is not placed in article text. SPECIFICO talk 17:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why are you debating me about this? GoodDay (talk) 17:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry you didn't understand. What you wrote tells us you think he remained the choice of voters (unspecified small number who voted in any Dem primary) even at the time the overwhelming consensus of Dems was for him to withdraw. Maybe check your language again. No matter as long as such confusion is not placed in article text. SPECIFICO talk 17:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, as primaries/caucuses weren't held again. GoodDay (talk) 16:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I presume you mean "had been the overwhelming..." SPECIFICO talk 15:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- We should not attribute his withdrawal to "health concerns".
In his first interview since withdrawing from his re-election bid last month, President Biden told "CBS Sunday Morning" that he made his decision, in part, so that the Democratic Party could fully concentrate on what he believes is an urgent task at hand: preventing former President Donald Trump from regaining the White House.
[3] – Muboshgu (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- Will an editor now claim that Trump is a health concern? Tune in next week. SPECIFICO talk 15:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The phrasing implies that he withdrew because of health concerns. If that's true and supported in rs, it should say that. At present however, we only have speculation. It may be that the Dem leadership always intended to replace him, but wanted to avoid a primary. TFD (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Biden told reporters this week that he withdrew because party leaders feared he was hurting the reelection chances of Democrats especially in Congress. I think that's the real reason. Note that he did not resign from office which is what people do when their health prevents them from doing the job. Rjensen (talk) 05:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- We may never know the real reason. But we can write that Joe said that was the reason. HiLo48 (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I always thought the plan was for him to step aside but to make the announcement late in order to avoid a primary. TFD (talk) 02:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- quote: "President Biden has given his first interview since quitting the 2024 election....He insisted his polls at the time still showed him "neck and neck" with Donald Trump. So why did he drop out? Democrats in the House and Senate made clear he was hurting them, Mr. Biden said: "I was concerned if I stayed in the race, that would be the topic. You'd be interviewing me about, why did Nancy Pelosi say, why did so—and I thought it'd be a real distraction, number one." Mr. Biden continued: "Number two, when I ran the first time I thought of myself as being a transition President." from "Why Biden Wasn't a 'Transition President'; 'Things got moving so quickly, it didn't happen,' he tells CBS, in his first interview since bowing out as a candidate for re-election." Wall Street Journal online 11 Aug 2024. Rjensen (talk) 10:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Biden told reporters this week that he withdrew because party leaders feared he was hurting the reelection chances of Democrats especially in Congress. I think that's the real reason. Note that he did not resign from office which is what people do when their health prevents them from doing the job. Rjensen (talk) 05:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)