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Suggestions?Edit

I want to include information about The Pittburgh Courier black college All-America teams. The Courier each year picked an All-America team from the country's HBCUs. As the sport was largely segregated until the 1950s/1960s, these picks were the highest recognition given to black college football players in the mid-century years. An example is found here. Do folks think the Courier picks should be (a) integrated with other All-America selectors in the stand-alone annual All-America lists, (b) grouped under a separate heading in the stand-alone annual All-America lists, or (c) placed in separate lists for the African-American All-American teams? Cbl62 (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

C if it can sufficiently pass WP:GNG with multiple reliable sources, B if not. A could confuse casual readers especially without context.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
I was a bit concerned that including a separate heading for the black All-Americans could be viewed as perpetuating the segregation of bygone days, but I think you raise valid concerns about confusion and context. I'll go ahead with option (b). Cbl62 (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
See 1945 College Football All-America Team#Black college All-Americans and 1946 College Football All-America Team#Black college All-Americans. Cbl62 (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
In a perfect world, we do (c) with a standalone list. However, unless sources have gotten progressive enough to discuss this grouping, (b) puts the information out there so that hopefully (c) becomes a reality at some point.—Bagumba (talk) 01:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how prominent it was and for how long it lasted, but the Atlanta Daily World also had a black All-American team hereBagumba (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

RfC: Change to Sports Personalities sectionEdit

An RfC is pending at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#RfC: Change to Sports Personalities section. Cbl62 (talk) 03:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

MVIAA (1907-28)/Big Eight/MVCEdit

Hello, I noticed there are some discrepancies on the articles and standings templates of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association AKA the Big Eight Conference and Missouri Valley Conference. Some links direct to Big Eight and others to MVC. For instance the 1921 Nebraska Cornhuskers football team article links to the MVC in the infobox and the lead of the article. However, the standings template says "Missouri Valley" yet links to the Big Eight. Considering the divorce of the conference involved (which both conferences claimed lineage from the original), the way WP has handled the more recent Big East/AAC split, and the fact that there is an article on the MVIAA. I propose adjusting links in this period to the MVIAA, while keeping the categorization to both conferences the same. Thoughts?-- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Conference season articlesEdit

In my work on the 1946 college football season, I created a couple conference season articles: 1946 College Conference of Illinois football season and 1946 Wisconsin State Teachers College Conference football season. I had doubts that any of the individual seasons were notable and decided that the conference season articles were a way to cover these teams without individual stand-alone articles. I'd be interested in thoughts or suggestions as to whether these are a good idea and for how to improve the content/organization. Cbl62 (talk) 01:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Cbl62 I think this is an excellent approach for smaller conferences where notability for individual seasons would be questionable at best. These can further be fleshed out with additional content such as all-conference selections and team captains as sources are identified. Patriarca12 (talk) 13:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Agreed. I did include the all-conference picks for 1946 Texas Conference football season. Sometimes, they are hard to find. Cbl62 (talk) 22:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Oklahoma Sooners season pages and "mythical" national championshipsEdit

Hello, just FYI there are a couple of IPs that are adding unrecognized national titles to individual season articles. A few eyeballs could be useful. @Dcheagle: - UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the heads up I'll keep en eye out. Dcheagletalkcontribs 02:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for helping.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Apparently this is a bigger problem than just OU. I have been removing them from infoboxes whenever I have seen them. I have left in-text citations alone because there it is useful for giving information about different selectors. However, the inclusion in infoboxes leads to misinformation about who actually won/recognized NCs those seasons. I will leave 2017 UCF alone.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

AfD of several Duquesne season articlesEdit

Hi all, multiple Duquesne season articles have been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Duquesne Dukes football team and weigh in with your opinion. I have not kept up with the evolving NSEASONS guidelines regarding these sorts of articles so everyone's input would be appreciated. Thanks. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Would need to meet WP:GNG, which is not a given for a program outside of the FBS.---- —Bagumba (talk) 02:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) team seasons will also, virtually always, pass GNG. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
If so, perhaps that guidance could be added to WP:CFBSEASON, given that there's more leeway with an essay. —Bagumba (talk) 04:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Template merger discussionEdit

at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2022 July 5#Template:Infobox college football game- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

IP at Spencer WebbEdit

An IP user at Spencer Webb keeps removing information stating he was 22 at the time of his death because his birth date is uncertain, despite me pointing out that nearly every article on his death states that he was 22. Is the IP address correct in doing this? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

They should be discussing this at your talk page discussion there, but perhaps they are unaware (and their IP is not consistent to leave them a msg on their talk page). Perhaps they are conflating the exact birthdate being unknown with his death age being reliable. It'd be better if the editor was clearer. —Bagumba (talk) 01:22, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move: Acrisure StadiumHeinz FieldEdit

A requested move is under discussion at Talk:Acrisure Stadium § Requested move 22 July 2022. ––FormalDude talk 21:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

CfD:Category:Salem International Tigers footballEdit

I have nominated Category:Salem International Tigers football and its subcategories for renaming. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 24#Salem Tigers football. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

AfC:Draft:Appalachian State–Marshall football rivalryEdit

I just wrote my first wikipedia article ever, Draft:Appalachian State–Marshall football rivalry. If anyone has any feedback or tips, it would all be greatly appreciated! It is my hope that the draft can be approved in time for the start of the college football season. Thank you! Tarcanes (talk) 22:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tarcanes looks good! Cnd474747 (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Alabama Crimson Tide football yearly statistical leadersEdit

Created the above list today. Any thoughts on formatting? Or on other statistical categories that should be added? Cbl62 (talk) 01:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Cbl, I think this may be the first standalone article of its kind, although Ohio State Buckeyes football statistical leaders contains a yearly leaders section which parallels what you've created for Alabama. There's the pretty robust Category:Lists of college football statistical leaders by team, which contains 133 articles that detail a given programs all-time career, season, and game leaders. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
This is very different from the existing statistical leaders lists, e.g. Alabama Crimson Tide football statistical leaders. Those articles show the overall leaders and are dominated by recent players. The yearly approach IMO provides a much-needed supplement. Any thoughts on formatting or additional categories? Maybe scoring? Cbl62 (talk) 05:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
We'd need a new category like Category:Lists of college football yearly statistical leaders by team if we're going to create articles like this for lots of teams. Formatting looks pretty good. I'd just link the rest of the seasons. Jweiss11 (talk) 12:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Also, should this article be titled List of Alabama Crimson Tide football yearly statistical leaders? Jweiss11 (talk) 12:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1889 Wake Forest Baptists football teamEdit

Members of this project may be interested in the deletion discussion for the 1889 Wake Forest football team. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Created 1918 UNC football pageEdit

I recently created a football page to summarize UNC's 1918 football season -- see 1918 North Carolina (SATC) football team. I imagine this will impact the SAIAA standing, but I wasn't certain if the teams they played (listed as SATC in the source I used) were the same as the pages already encapsulated by the SAIAA seasons or not, so I left the SAIAA record as 0-0 even though 3 of the teams they played against (Davidson, VPI, and Wake Forest) were fellow SAIAA members. Any thoughts? Cnd474747 (talk) 23:15, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Cnd474747, nice work on the 1918 North Carolina article. The sourcing around the membership of the South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association (SAIAA) is pretty scant, mostly coming from the now-defunct College Football Data Warehouse. Neither Template:1918 South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association football standings, nor any of the other SAIAA standings templates have any sourcing. Inclusion in those templates appears to be interpolated from the membership section of the main SAIAA article, which has a "factual accuracy is disputed" tag on it. Most of the work there was done by MisterCake and UW Dawgs. I would say more research is needed here. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
It seems a safe assumption due to the war and the SATC status - meaning the school does not even recognize it - to say they were independent rather than in a conference. Like, for example, the 1918 Tennessee (SATC) football team, or the 1915 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team. But of course, assuming is probably not enough. UNC is particularly difficult. It seems they were in the SIAA in 1901 but got banned for paying baseball players. Anyway, the best source on this stuff with UNC is Kemp Plummer Battle, who died in 1919. If he has a final edition of the History of UNC, then I bet it covers it. Keep in mind just like the South is still a region whether or not there's a Southern conference or SIAA, the South Atlantic is still a region. All-South Atlantic might mean All-SAIAA, all conference. It might just mean all regional. Cake (talk) 07:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

"Players coached" sections for coach articlesEdit

Is there a consensus for the inclusion of "professional players coached" sections (ex: Mark_Stoops#Notable_players_coached)? If not a consensus should probably be established. I'd personally be against including them as it's really just puffery and any specific coaching/player relationship can be mentioned in the prose of the article. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

GPL93, Not sure if we've established a consensus on this before, but I agree with you here. These sections look like cruft/puffery. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Also not a fan of such sections. Cbl62 (talk) 00:34, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, definitely crufty. Remove it. Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:34, 13 August 2022 (UTC)