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Categories for deletion edit

A number of college football categories have been nominated for deletion. Please see the following discussions:

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Jweiss11 (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Jweiss11 (talk) 03:56, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Let'srun, do you plan to CfD every college football category with fewer than some number of elements in it? Can you tell us what that number is? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Category:Macalester Scots football seasons has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 5#Category:Macalester Scots football seasons. A few of nomination above are still open as well. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

College football national champion navboxes edit

Back in 2009, members of this project began to create navboxes for college football teams that won national championships. E.g., Template:2000 Oklahoma Sooners football navbox, Template:2001 Miami Hurricanes football navbox. At the top level, such navboxes are useful for navigation given that so many players (often 20 or more) have stand-alone articles. More recently, a trend has developed in creating such navboxes for NAIA, Division II, and Division III champions where few, if any, players have stand-alone articles and where the templates thus serve little or no navigational value. E.g., Template:2022 Ferris State Bulldogs football navbox, Template:2019 North Central Cardinals football navbox, Template:2021 Mary Hardin–Baylor Crusaders football navbox, Template:2023 Keiser Seahawks football navbox, Template:2009 Sioux Falls Cougars football navbox, Template:2016 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats football navbox, Template:2010 Minnesota–Duluth Bulldogs football navbox. I have doubts about the usefulness of such navboxes and believe that national championship navboxes should be limited to Division I FBS and FCS programs. What do others think? @Thetreesarespeakingtome: @KingSkyLord: Cbl62 (talk) 16:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

As an aside, I think they read better when jersey numbers are included. E. g. Template:Los Angeles Lakers 2009–10 NBA champions Cake (talk) 04:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

We now have articles on roughly 740 college football teams that compiled perfect seasons. There are 120 remaining perfect seasons from the last 100 years that lack articles. Please take a look at "The List", and, if you're inspired to do so, create an article on one of these remaining teams. Cbl62 (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Cbl62, great work leading the charge on this effort. On a related note, we could some team season article creation to combat the Template:Cfb link call limit crisis on the national season articles, which contains all the standings templates, which in turn make lots of cfb link calls where there is no season article. The following seasons are over the limit:

If you choose to tackle the perfect seasons effort, it would be great if you could prioritize conference-member teams from these seasons. Additionally, there are many more non-perfect undefeated seasons, conference championship seasons, and current Division I team seasons from these years that warrant articles. I've been chipping away on these seasons in "crisis", but I can use some help!

At this point, the conference standings templates for these seasons are largely complete. Among extant conferences, we're only missing a bunch from the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference (the data here is readily available from the conference website and newspapers.com) and the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (these will be a tougher to pin down). Jweiss11 (talk) 22:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Only eight four left "to do" from the last 70 years since 1954 1950. Cbl62 (talk) 03:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've been working away at 1949, but I could some help with all these seasons in crisis. Patriarca12, BeanieFan11, would be great to get your attention here. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

1911 and 1912 Tennessee Docs edit

The Tennessee Docs football teams also had 1911 and 1912 teams. The 1912 team played Ole Miss. Any more info? Cake (talk) 15:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

They also played 1912 Tennessee Volunteers football team and 1912 Mississippi A&M Aggies football team. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Interesting how 1910 Sewanee played "University of Memphis" yet the Memphis Tigers don't start until 1912. So who was that? Cake (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps it was Memphis University School? 1912 West Tennessee State Normal football team played them twice. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think that's right, but it's odd they call them "University of Memphis" even the year after. So Sewanee barely beat a high school. Cake (talk) 03:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

CFB featured article candidate edit

Hi all - I have nominated 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game for featured status but the nomination has not attracted many reviewers. If any of you have the time or interest to give the article a read and leave some feedback or a review there, it would be much appreciated. Thanks! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Merge discussion at 2023–24 College Football Playoff edit

Hi all - there is a merge discussion at 2023–24 College Football Playoff that has stalled in the last month - I would like to wrap this up so that either my DYK nom can proceed or the article can be merged and I will know not to work on any other articles of this kind. Opinions would be very welcome here. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

In general, the content is well written and well sourced. However, detail about the 2024 Rose Bowl belongs in 2024 Rose Bowl, detail about the 2024 Sugar Bowl belongs in 2024 Sugar Bowl, and detail about 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship game belongs in 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship. Readers should find detail about notable games in the main game articles, not a higher-level article. Significantly thinning the "Playoff games" section, by moving game details into the game articles (especially for Rose and Sugar, whose articles currently lack prose recaps), would allow this article to focus on "Selection and teams", "Exclusion of Florida State", and "Aftermath", as those sections provide more background and detail than is found in the "College Football Playoff bowl games" section of 2023–24 NCAA football bowl games. Overall, I really don't see a need for this type of article for any of the four-team CFP playoffs, but that may be "the wrong measure for including or excluding an article or topic" (per WP:NEED). That said, I do believe that mis-placed content (albeit well written and well sourced) is an issue with this article and should be addressed. Dmoore5556 (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Instructions page edit

Hello everybody, I'd like to suggest creating a page to follow instructions on how to make a good article. I was thinking just like we do in the NFL with: "Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Player pages format".

Why should we have a page like this? If college football players generally move on to the NFL. Well, I personally think it'd be a good idea to have a guide to follow; since I was editing DJ Uiagalelei's page and I noticed that highlights from High School are included in his Infobox. In the Template:Infobox NFL biography, no type of this highlight is included; so I thought about removing it, but I didn't know if that is allowed here. In addition to the fact that it'd help us a lot when organizing an infobox (personally I love editing 'em), for example first the national championships are shown, then the Nationwide awards (Heisman, Doak Walker, John Mackey, etc.), then the All-American Teams , and so more.

If I don't receive a response, I'll feel free of creating such a page, and I will always be open to any changes after an agreement. THX =) Sergio Skol (talk) 17:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Or just update Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Player pages format, so its easily referenced for most of these that will become NFL players. —Bagumba (talk) 12:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

This RM to lowercase the titling of National Signing Day may be of interest to participants of this WikiProject. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Major college football conferences and teams in pre-divisional era edit

In recent months, Ben76266 made a series of edits to national college football season articles (e.g. 1955 college football season) reorganizing the conference standings templates and adding a designation reading "For this article, major conferences defined as those including at least one state flagship public university and the Ivy League." This has had the effect of demoting the Missouri Valley Conference to minor status and promoting the North Central Conference and Yankee Conference to major status. I believe this contravenes how the teams in these conferences were actually designated. I recall seeing an NCAA document a while back that lists which teams had "major" status from the 1930s until the beginning of NCAA divisions in the late 1950s. Does anyone know where I can find that document?

On a related note, I've been reorganizing 1949 college football season as I've been creating a number of 1949 team season articles to combat the Template:Cfb link call crisis there. In particular, see the "Minor conference summaries" section, which I've cleaned up and expanded from the long-standing version of the table. I plan to create a similar table for the major conferences. Let me know if you have any thoughts. Jweiss11 (talk) Jweiss11 (talk) 18:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I have made the edits mentioned. The status of "major" and "minor" conferences in these pre-divisional annual articles seemed very arbitrary, and so I was trying to come up with a metric that could be used to define the conferences. I welcome any and all conversation on this topic, even if it leads to my changes being reversed or altered. I would also like to see the NCAA document mentioned if it exists. Ben76266 (talk) 21:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Even in the years before the NCAA College Division was formed for football c. 1959, the NCAA statitistics bureau (?) drew a distinction for statistical purposes between "major" or "minor" programs. That division has some level of official sanction to it. Cbl62 (talk) 21:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Templates for deletion edit

A large number of college football navboxes templates have been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 March 26. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Anyone in a article-creating mood? edit

Hi, for anyone who is feeling an urge to create new articles for this project and for NFL football, there are a ton of requested articles at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/American football for a variety of subjects, from players and coaches to rivalries and terminology. Some of these have been lingering around for awhile with no action. Feel free to be bold, help create some new articles and expand Wikipedia's coverage of American football! Fretyr (talk) 16:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Junior college national champions edit

Junior college (Juco) football teams almost never receive the SIGCOV needed to pass muster under WP:GNG. Juco national champions appear to be an exception where sufficient SIGCOV can sometimes be found. We now have a template of Juco national champions in case anyone is interested in doing work in this area:

Cbl62 (talk) 03:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Kadyn Proctor (and future players doing the same shit) edit

Hi everyone. As perhaps you know, the MF Kadyn Proctor just re-entered to the transfer portal and returned to Alabama. He was officially enrolled with the Hawkeyes, but... should we add Iowa to his Infobox? I mean, this isn't like the NFL, where players can be members of teams only in the preseason, in CFB there's no preseason.

I think is better not show it in the Infobox, it'd be weird if it is displayed:

  • Alabama (2023, 2024–present)
  • Iowa (2024)

Or

  • Alabama (2023)
  • Iowa (2024)
  • Alabama (2024–present)

Perhaps it's only me, but I prefer just show:

  • Alabama (2023–present)

It is more clear, specially because he does not even play a snap with Iowa (just went to make more money, but that ain't the matter).

Additionally, the transfer portal is out of control, too many players are transferring multiple times in the same offseason. What's the next? (e.g.)

  • Ohio State (2024)
  • Texas (2024)
  • USC (2024)
  • LSU (2024)

IMO, if they don't play a game with any team, it shouldn't be displayed in the Infobox. Sergio Skol (talk) 18:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd say if they aren't on the team for any games/any part of a season, it shouldn't be listed in the infobox. glman (talk) 18:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Marcus Dupree is listed as going to Oklahoma and not his later transfered school (USM).-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

All-Americans: missing articles edit

As part of my series on developing redlink lists for likely notable football players (see 1 2 3 4 5 6), I wondered how many selections to the College Football All-America Team are missing articles. It seems only 1889-1895, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020 are complete. In case anyone wants to work on any, here's what I've got, based on each All-America article (will periodically update over the next few days). Note that I'm only including first-team selections as those are most likely to be notable; I'm also bolding any who were mutltiple-year first-team choices, and italicizing those who were first-team choices by multiple selectors:

Pre-1900
1900s

BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oregon Webfoots vs. Oregon Ducks edit

Team articles from 1940 Oregon Ducks football team to 1977 Oregon Ducks football team have just been changed from "Webfoots" to "Ducks" by @User:Carrite.

I'm not sure what the correct team name is for each year, but would like to see some discussion and sources on the move.

PK-WIKI (talk) 17:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply