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Please, delete this section, it is pure WP:POV. Patriarch's statement is taken out of the context, and saying that it "was seen as a new call for genocide against Muslims" is incorrect. The references say that this was said by Muamer Zukorlić, and if Zukorlić said something, it does't mean that it's "seen". Vanjagenije (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Patriarch admitted his mistake two days ago, so his statement is not taken out of context. I agree the second part of the sentence could me re-written. Do you have any suggestion or proposal? Rochass (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

I think this section should be deleted altogether. If we start writing down every single statement from an important figure, which doesn't have that much effect (after he was attacked for his statement, he quickly apologized and that was that), we'll cram the article with a bunch of information that is more fitting for a newspaper story than an encyclopaedia article. --Cinéma C 22:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Actually, his words are not well translated in english. He said that muslims "behave in a good manner when they are outnumbered", not that "they are good only when few" - which can be understood completely out of context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.200.38.29 (talk) 15:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Another fantasy title ! So-called "Patriarch of Serbia" ?

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This is really incredible and its happening in the year 2016, in spite of all internet tools that are at our disposal. Why are we using fantasy titles that never existed? As I wrote in talk section on the Patriarch Pavle page, heads of Serbian Orthodox Church are called Serbian Patriarchs, not "Patriarch of Serbia" ! Such title has never existed in history and it surely does not exist now. No head of SOC was ever called "Патријарх Србије" (Patriarch of Serbia). The real title is: "Патријарх српски" (Serbian Patriarch): "Патриарх" is a noun - Patriarch, and "српски" is adjective - Serbian. Everyone can look at the Google Books for so-called title "Патријарх Србије" : just 9 (nine) hits :) And real title: Патријарх српски has 3260 hits !!! This page should have title: "Serbian Patriarch Irinej" because he is "Serbian Patriarch" and not "Patriarch of Serbia". Same goes for other Serbian Patriarchs from the foundation of the Serbian Patriarchate to the present day. So please, go to web page of Serbian Orthodox Church in English: there you have an official translation of the Constitution of SOC, look at the article no. 11 that defines the title of the patriarch as: "Archbishop of Pech, Metropolitan of Belgrade and Karlovac, and Serbian Patriarch" !!! So, there you have it: Serbian Patriarch, not "Patriarch of Serbia" !!! (http://www.spc.rs/eng/church) Sorabino (talk) 23:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

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Tense for sentence with known long period in the past

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  • "He was the first bishop of Niš between 1975 and 2010, and then the patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church from 22 January 2010 succeeding Pavle, until his death."

Is it better to use "had been" here? Both actions had lasted for some longer period in the past; "between" and "from [...] until" point to lasting action, not short period for which past simple tense is used (with characteristic moment-defined adverbs "yesterday", "last year", "x time ago").

See Uses of English verb forms#Past perfect progressive (in this case, ... verb in question does not use the progressive aspect... is applicable, "had been being" is ugly, progressive aspect for "being" as a verb non-natural and/or rare [same for verb "last", at least as I can understand it as non-native speaker]).

I've got bold and changed it to:

  • "He had been the first bishop of Niš between 1975 and 2010, and then the patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church from 22 January 2010 succeeding Pavle, until his death."

--5.43.72.55 (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for this. Just be bold. See WP:BOLD --IndexAccount (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Recent renaming

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@Anthony Appleyard: @Veverve: Please check the #Another fantasy title ! So-called "Patriarch of Serbia" ? section above and also Category:Patriarchs of the Serbian Orthodox Church. I guess the title Irinej, Serbian Patriarch would be more appropriate (if you really need a dab)... Also, the link from WP:ITN/RD points to the dab page at the moment. 91.219.24.115 (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Ah, it seems to be more complicated:
Some consensus should be reached... 91.219.24.115 (talk) 21:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Please feel free to request a renaming, although I believe the current title is clearer. Veverve (talk) 21:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
It's not clearer, it's misleading. There is no title called Patriarch of Serbia. His title literally means Serb Patriarch. Serbs everywhere, not just in Serbia. The name of the church is also misleading. Killuminator (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Nowhere is he called "Patriarch of the Serbs" Veverve (talk) 00:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
I have searched various sources and could find no support for the title "Patriarch of the Serbs". As such, without support from a reliable source, I would not support a change in renaming this section of the article. Jurisdicta (talk) 03:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Search the original source, article 13 section 2 of the constitution of the Serb Orthodox Church for the full title. Patrijarh srpski meaning Serb Patriarch NOT Patriarch of Serbia. Also, Patriarch of the Serbs is something you two used, not me but even that is a close translation --Killuminator (talk) 07:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
AP calls him "Serbian Patriarch Irinej".--Astral Leap (talk) 08:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC) sockReply
That's much closer but English speakers don't differentiate srpski and srbijanski, a difference a native would know. --Killuminator (talk) 08:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Killuminator: Am I right in guessing that srpski means "of all Serbs" and srbijanski means "of Serbia"? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes. Pretty much. Srpski - anything to do with Serbs, srbijanski - anything to do with Serbia as a country or Serbia proper. --Killuminator (talk) 12:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Killuminator: you can give your source and arguments at Wikipedia:Requested moves. You can also use the "XFD" option of Wikipedia:Twinkle. Veverve (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Oh, sorry. I would ask him than. --DragonFederal (talk) 09:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 23 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Moved (closed by non-admin page mover)IVORK Talk 23:33, 30 November 2020 (UTC)Reply


Patriarch Irinej of SerbiaIrinej, Serbian Patriarch – It should be moved back to the title as it was until 19 November 2020. IndexAccount (talk) 17:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

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