Talk:Hans (comic book)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the Franco-Belgian comic book Hans had its title changed in Poland, as the German name Hans was considered controversial there? Source: https://books.google.pl/books?id=bHMrAQAAIAAJ&q=komiks+hans+yans&dq=komiks+hans+yans&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjT99DnvIP0AhUBzYsKHRUyBK8Q6AF6BAgLEAI

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kushner family
• Comment: That's the most interesting hook I can think of. Feel free to propose an ALT.

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 10:20, 10 November 2021 (UTC).

• The article is long enough and new. However, red wls, i.e. Zbigniew Kasprzak, are overlinked. Also English language sources would be better to support the hook. Another problem is that the statement in the hook is given in a footnote instead of in the main text which seems not to be appropriate. Egeymi (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Egeymi, but please note for future reference that hooks do not have to be sourced to English, or even online, sources. Also, you can use Google Translate to translate foreign-language websites used to source a hook.

Piotrus, since Egeymi is inexperienced at doing reviews, I will just this once complete the review on his behalf. The issue I have with the article is that the title is "Hans (comic book)" but the titular character is referred to throughout as "Yans". Title and text should be the same. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 20:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Gatoclass, Thank you both for the comments. I fixed Yans->Hans and put the text from the note into the body. For the record, I don't think English sources for this information exist at all; French might be better but I don't speak French well enough to do a search in it (I also asked for someone to help with obtaining a French book which seems to have a chapter on Hans but it seems to be stalled...). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Gatoclass, thank you very much for helping me and Piotrus, thank you. Best, Egeymi (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

• New enough and long enough, looks plagiarism free, hook is sourced and reasonably interesting. QPQ is done. AGF verified to a foreign language book. Gatoclass (talk) 05:23, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  • @Piotrus: any chance the hook could be cited inline before I promote? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:56, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
    • Theleekycauldron, I am sorry, I don't follow. Do you want a citation here in the nom, or in the article? If the latter, isn't it cited there already? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:19, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
      • @Piotrus: The sentence right before the last one in that paragraph—the hook has to be cited at the end of the sentence, could that be cited too? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
        • Theleekycauldron, Ah, I see. There entire second half of that paragraph is sourced to the three sources cited at the end of the paragraph ("[4][9][10]"). We can copy the three footnotes to the preceding sentence, but will it look good? It might be a form of overcite. While I myself authored the essay Wikipedia:Why most sentences should be cited, when the content has a logical flow, I don't think need to do so. Still, if you really think this is needed, I am fine doing so. So, copy 4910 to the sentence that preceedes it? Yay or nay? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:21, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
          • @Piotrus: probably yea, just to be on the safe side. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 02:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
            • @Theleekycauldron: And done. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hans (comic book)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 15:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

No images to review. Earwig shows no issues.

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • swiatkomiksu.pl
  • rebelya.pl -- looks like a news aggregator
  • auracan.com
• "that first story (La Tour du désespoir) is chronologically an unspecified time after the publication of Volume 1 (La Dernière Île, 1983)": I think you mean that the setting of the first story is an unspecified time after the events of volume 1 in the internal chronology of the series. As written it's referring to time in the real world, by referring to the publication of volume 1 rather than the events of volume 1, which makes no sense.
• "The series transited to debuting in volumes from Volume 7": suggest "From volume 7 onward, the stories were not published elsewhere before appearing in book form".
• "The series has been collected in twelve volumes published in France by Le Lombard": "collected" implies first publication, so perhaps "The series was republished by Le Lombard in France in twelve volumes".
• "A number of collected editions have also been released; for example the Egmont Polska volumes compile the series in three books, each composed of 3 volumes": that would make nine volumes, not twelve.
• "described the primary motif of the series as the praise of the escape to freedom and democracy, and related to that, critique of tyranny": suggest "described the motifs of the series as primarily praise of escaping to freedom and democracy, and secondarily a critique of tyranny".
• "The end of the communist regime in Poland is represented by the shift in the tone of the series": I would give the date of the end of the communist regime, and, if the sources permit, the volume in which the shift in tone appears.

I've copyedited a bit; please check I didn't mess anything up. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Piotrus, just checking to see if you're planning to work on this? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 08:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie Yes, I'll try to get to it tommorrow, but I'll just repeat my request to be pinged when you post any comment or review. I simply didn't notice the above review until the ping right now. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Will do. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

pl:Świat Komiksu is (well, was) a magazine, and a such, reliable per the usual assumption about editorial controls and such.

Regarding Rebelya, this website is defunct now (taken over by what indeed looks like some aggregator), so the direct link fails, you need to look at the past version from IA. Back when it was active, it was a niche portal, but too niche - it is mentioned in few academic works as a source, and a bit more in other media. It lists its contributors, calls itself a portal, and claims to have an editorial team, and that's about it. I am not sure if the author is the notable Daniel Koziarski or just someone sharing the name. I think it meets the minimum criteria for reliability for non-controversial statements, as a website with claimed editorial team.

As for auracan, it seems like a niche French portal that interviewed the creator, who is obviously reliable and an expert on the subject of himself. I see no reason to assume it doesn't meet SPS criteria for people talking about themselves.

I will get to the other issues in a day or so. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

OK on the first two. For the third, I found evidence of editorial control on their information page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Side note: I've added a fair use book cover. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Implemented all of your suggested changes (please double check if the new wording is acceptable, when possible, I tried to use your suggestions without modification). Re Polish volumes, I am pretty sure it's my mistake - there are three collected volumes, so I am sure they have four stories each. Sadly, I am now far away from the the books I own so I can't double check, but it's common sense :) Ditto I sadly cannot check what the sources say about the shift in tone, but I think that's mostly addressed by the next sentence - the shift from postapocalyptic vision of the word to the somewhat lighter, classic pulp sci-fi space opera adventure tone. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie Forgot to ping. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Piotrus, the fixes look good, and I've gone ahead and shrunk the image. Reading through again I had three more questions:

• "With time, Hans becomes the ruler of the city and has to face numerous threats both on the inside and the outside": I think "the inside and the outside" refers to the city, but it could be clearer if so. How about "With time, Hans becomes the ruler of the city and has to face numerous threats both within the city and outside it"?
• I think it would be best to name the first story when we first mention it, like so: "In 1978, Duchâteau drafted a new, science-fiction themed story, and again asked Rosiński to work in it. The series debuted with La Tour du désespoir, a short story, in early August 1980 in the Franco-Belgian magazine Tintin. At first, Duchâteau was unsure if he wanted to develop Hans into a full-fledged series, and so in the internal chronology of the series, that first story is set an unspecified time after the events of Volume 1 (La Dernière Île, 1983); it is also often omitted from smaller reprint runs."
• "The name Hans, however, was changed in the Polish edition. When the series was published in Poland in the 1980s, the publisher decided to change the protagonist's name and the title to Yans, as the German name was unpopular in Poland": repetitive; I think you could just cut the first short sentence.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie Done, and added a link to Hans (name) to the "German name Hans". _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)