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WikiProject France (Rated Project-class)
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Napoleon ReassessmentEdit

Napoleon, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

Jean HoeufftEdit

Please feel free to improve the article Jean Hoeufft, a 17th century French banker, who also worked on draining the Marais Poitevin. Mathglot (talk)

Racism in FranceEdit

Concerning the part about jews during german occupation in WWII : the yellow star is not a french decision taken in the october 1940 in the ' statu des juifs ' ( jews statu )but a german decree in occupied zone from may 1942 ,( the yellow star has never existed in Vichy zone even after this territory has been annexed to german zone in november 1942) and the round-ups from summer 1942 have been done in part by french officials and police but on german request , ordered by Himmler and Heydrich ( the french made the choice to arrest first foreign jews , so 80 % of french citizen jews have survived the war which is an high rate among all occupied countries ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.2.193.195 (talkcontribs) 09:17, October 31, 2017 (UTC)

Help with French source: Casus Belli magazineEdit

[This is a cross-post from the French Wikipedia's WikiProject Games, as I hope to get more eyes on it]

Hello, all! I am currently working on articles about the tabletop role-playing game series World of Darkness (Monde des ténèbres), and have been gathering reviews and other coverage of the series that we can use as sources. I have gotten hold of a lot of RPG magazines, but am missing three that I've learned contains WoD reviews, so I figured I'd ask if anyone here happens to have access to them. The magazine in question is the French publication Casus Belli, and the issues I am looking for are: (click links for cover images)

If anyone has access to any of these and is able to provide me with scans / photos of the reviews mentioned, I would be very grateful. Thank you, --AlexandraIDV 07:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Update: a very helpful editor from FRWP has scanned the review in #16 for me, but I am still looking for #5 and #21.--AlexandraIDV 23:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Educ'FranceEdit

This article came up for me as an orphan, but could also do with some editing to clarify what it is actually does, if anyone can help. Specifically, I think the sentence "Educ'France is a civil society organisation, a player active on the web, which offers a dynamic reflection, without bias and outside the French bureaucracy" is unclear. Help would be welsome - thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Question on a photoEdit

I found File:Equipe des sports TF1 à Rolland Garros.jpg on Commons, and it says that one of the people is Pierre Cangioni, who I've written an article about. Wondered if anyone would be able to work out which of the six people in the photo is Cangioni? I'd like to crop the photo to just be Cangioni for the article about him. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Flag of the Bourbon RestorationEdit

The flag presented on the Bourbon Restoration article is File:Royal flag of France during the Bourbon Restoration.svg, but the flag listed on Template:Country data Bourbon Restoration is File:Flag of the Kingdom of France (1814-1830).svg. However, that file's page states it is a naval ensign, and the Flag of France article says it was a naval ensign and national flag. Then we have the File:Royal flag of France during the Bourbon Restoration.svg which says it is the "Alternative Flag of Kingdom of France". Which of these flags is correct?
5225C (talkcontributions) 05:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Rfc: lede of French RevolutionEdit

An Rfc concerning the lede of French Revolution is under discussion at Talk:French Revolution#rfc_CF45697. Your feedback would be appreciated. Mathglot (talk) 18:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review pageEdit

Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 23:17, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

FAR for Battle of BlenheimEdit

I have nominated Battle of Blenheim for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 02:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Population tables and chartsEdit

Some 500 articles about communes in France use the template {{Table Population Town}} for population tables, and some 300 articles use the template {{Chart Population Town}} for population charts. Both these templates take their population data from templates like {{Database Population Ablon}}. There have been discussions in the past about data templates like these, for instance at TfD Unused database population templates and RfC on templates storing data. There are some problems with this system, and I would like to discuss these here:

  • templates like {{Database Population Ablon}} are only used on one page (in this case: Ablon), which is not the purpose of the Template namespace
  • it is not easy to update the population data in the database templates, for instance it is impossible to add a third population reference (it will not show up correctly in the population table)
  • the population table layout is very rigid and does not have functionality like per annum growth rates, unlike e.g. {{Historical populations}}
  • the population chart template is even more rigid and will not display correctly if population data for one of the census years is missing (see e.g. Autruche or Astis)
  • the maximum population value for the chart has to be specified explicitly in the database template
  • there is no scale on the y-axis

The population data are valuable and properly referenced, so it would be good to keep them one way or the other. One option could be to convert the database templates to something that can be input for {{Historical populations}}, in the commune article itself, and to copy the data part ("|date1 |population1 |date2 |population2 |date3 |population3 |date4 |population4") to another template that can feed this data to {{Graph:Chart}}. I have been experimenting a bit in {{Chart Population Town/sandbox}}, see Ballay#Demography for a demonstration. Pinging some people that were involved in the past: User:Wikialine, User:Hmains, User:Samrong01, User:Jonesey95, User:Þjarkur, User:Zackmann08, User:Primefac, User:RexxS, User:Gonnym, User:Eric, User:Kusma, User:Uanfala, User:Pppery. Your comments please. Markussep Talk 13:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Without looking at any of the code to see how feasible it is, I suggest modifying {{Historical populations}}, which is used in 32,000 articles, to add a feature that shows a small chart of some kind (|chart=yes), then changing the France commune articles to use that revised template, replacing the existing template system. That would allow editors to store the data in the articles, where it belongs. This would need some testing, of course.
Another option is to (waving hands like a magician) use Wikidata, but I don't know what that would involve. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
That's an interesting suggestion, to append a chart to {{Historical populations}}. That way we would only have to specify the population data once in every article. Indeed it is my proposal to store the population data in the articles themselves, and the database templates would become obsolete then. Markussep Talk 16:20, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
@Markussep and Jonesey95: Using Wikidata to store the data would involve a bit of (bot-like) work to merge the contents of the 500 data templates into Wikidata – for example, Ablon (Q844045) already has population data for 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017. Once available there, they can be loaded into the article by Lua code. That provides no real benefit for the English Wikipedia, but would make the data available to all the other 300 language Wikipedias and projects. You might check with Andy Mabbett if he has any thoughts about the merge into Wikidata. I could certainly write the retrieval code. --RexxS (talk) 16:49, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I am the wrong person to ask for the "how should we store this data" issue. I don't care very strongly whether it is in Template space or on Wikidata as long as we have the data and can check it against sources reasonably easily. So I'll just say something on ease-of-use: the example at Ballay looks ok to me, but the "see database" link leads to the totally unhelpful Template:Database Population Ballay, a page that seems not to include the data and wrongly claims to have documentation. If we keep this system, it needs to be made much more user friendly. A link from mainspace should not lead to a page that only makes sense to people who are familiar with the internal workings of Wikipedia templates. —Kusma (t·c) 20:52, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
The population data is in that {{Database Population Ballay}}, and so are the references, but you have to edit it to see it. Not really optimal indeed, I'd rather not keep this system. I replaced the population table in the Ballay article now as well. Markussep Talk 07:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Jonesey95, we have been working on your idea to append a graph to {{Historical populations}}. User:Frietjes has succeeded to add this option to the template, see this first attempt. Suggestions for improvement and functionality to be added are welcome! Markussep Talk 08:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

That example looks pretty good to me! – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
The new version of {{Historical populations}} with graph is live now, you can see it in action at Ballay#Demography, Bordeaux#Population and Bolquère#Population. I will start converting articles that use {{Chart Population Town}} to Historical populations, like I did at Ballay and Bordeaux. Markussep Talk 08:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Update and simplification of MOS:FRENCHCAPS proposedEdit

  FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/France and French-related articles § Proposed simplification of MOS:FRENCHCAPS, which is more than a decade outdated
 — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Transcription check neededEdit

 
Imperial Scout Exhibition 1913 - certificate signed by Baden-Powell

Please can someone check the French text on the above certificate? I have it as Les Éclaireurs Vaconistestes de France, but am not sure about the third word. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, that third word doesn't ring any bells, and the picture is too hazy. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 15:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the letters 'c' and 'i' in the handwriting at full zoom, I suspect that the problematic word might possibly be "Vaionistestes", but that doesn't make sense either. Also problematic is that it looks like a female plural, while Éclaireurs (Pathfinders/Scouts) has a masculine plural form (the feminine would be Éclaireuses). --RexxS (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I guess it should be “Eclaireurs unionistes”, and by mistake the “tes” was written twice. See Eclaireuses et Eclaireurs Unionistes de France. Markussep Talk 20:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Awesome detective work, Markussep! That's so obvious when it's pointed out. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Marvellous! Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Sel grisEdit

Can we work on imporving the sourcing for this article? Sil vous plait. Bearian (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

ChopinEdit

Please note there is an RfC at Talk:Frédéric Chopin#RFC: Chopin and Sexuality.--Smerus (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Page move for Communes of FranceEdit

Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:36, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Jean-Jacques-Régis de CambacérèsEdit

Hi everyone, I just want to let you know that I am currently working to make Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès a featured article by expanding it from its French version, which is a featured article. I am not improving the article directly because it's complicated, but instead on this draft. I do not have a lot of time, so the work goes really slow. So if someone are interested in working on this, he/she is welcomed to join me ! Thanks to anyone interested. -- Schweiz41 (talk) 19:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Nostradamus Featured article reviewEdit

I have nominated Nostradamus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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