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NameEdit

I have always seen the term "Grossdeutsches Reich" applied to the Greater Germany. Does German even include a word like "germanisches" to identify Germany or German people? --70.79.150.161 (talk) 23:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

German=Deutsch Germanic=Germanisch See:http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/germanisch --151.41.186.71 (talk) 21:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Advancements within the Athenian EmpireEdit

Is it possible to conclude that the athenian empire was infact created as a good force against foreign entities or used for the progress of mankind. I noticed nazi germany had tanks, however the tanks were not of the triangulum generator, it didn't really use so much energy on one feature such as fire power. These beings from orion or mizar, i believe was the ishwaku empire, had a black tank which would create lots of devestation, the propulsion was bad though. They expended too much energy and burnt out. The tank used was in the form of an arrow launching device. But they cheated and used nuclear launchers. Like how present jets had missiles with fins, that's what the tanks had used. These things were recreated by the csa during the civil war, even guns, submarines etc. All of these technologies just reermerged some how. Coincedentally it was all germanic or from grecian semite origins. The chariot and fortresses were made by the athenians you could say. Or did they just progress too fast and too far to get trumpt by a new persian entity empire like the jews did? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.25.193 (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Please stop using material from unreliable third party websitesEdit

I ran across this ridiculous source in the article: http://pseudoarchaeology.org/a10-ward.html. It is written by a person whom there is no evidence has any scholarly credentials. And it is focused on bizarre theories of the location of Atlantis and its connection with the Nazi vision of the Aryan Race. This is not a credible source to be used in the article for policies on territorial claims of the Nazi regime; and thus I am removing it now.--R-41 (talk) 18:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed move to "Greater German Reich"Edit

Requested move 24 May 2018Edit

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 21:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


Greater Germanic ReichGreater German Reich – The German name itself doesn't translate to "Greater Germanic Reich," but "Greater German Reich." ("Germanic" is Germanische, thus a "Greater Germanic Reich" would translate to "Grossgermanisches Reich")I've only ever heard of it mentioned as such. Unless people have a good reason to keep it here, I propose a move to better reflect the translation. R9tgokunks 00:42, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Support—provided there's not near-unanimous usage of the current term in English. Germanic is far broader than German. English is Germanic. Tony (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Needs research. It's not WP's job, in titling an article, to provide an accurate translation, but to reflect the WP:COMMONNAME in English-language sources, and no analysis has been presented here (e.g. of Google Ngram results) to determine which is the most common name.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:54, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Target is a disambiguation page. Dekimasuよ! 23:53, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, per this ngram. See also The Greater German Reich and the Jews (2015) by Wolf Gruner and Jörg Osterloh. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC) Oppose I checked several of the article's references and the IP below is right. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • greater germanic reich and greater german reich diffrent things greater german reich ie name of nazi germany beetween 1943-1945 and greater germanic reich is the future proposed state, if you look on the map it is not just greater germany but all germanic countries exept britain and lebensraum territory and the german name does translate to "greater germanic reich" from "Großgermanisches Reich" before someone changed this page 194.14.30.254 (talk) 12:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Greater Germanic Reich was the descriptor for the future proposed state; see Google Books. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Recent editEdit

Preserving here by providing this link. My rationale was: "unnecessary cite to Speer's memoirs in the lead; unneeded extended quotation; over-linking or wikilinks within quotations". Please let me know if there are any concerns. --K.e.coffman (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

did hitler really lose interest in the pan germanic plan?Edit

Should the "Hitler's preoccupation with the Pan-Germanic plan began to fade" be removed, is it wrong? Editdude93 (talk) 09:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

The reference previously given does not support the statement. In fact, just the opposite. The book argues "Himmler apparently found it expedient to allow his subordinates to voice support for a European union. But Hitler, and therefore Himmler, never gave up the goal of a Greater Germanic Reich ruled from Berlin. It could not have been otherwise: the Fuhrers racial and geopolitical beliefs militated against the idea of a Europe not completely dominated by Germany." Himmler, and by extension Hitler, never wavered. "Nowhere, here or later, does Himmler advocate anything other than a Germanic Reich and a Germanic SS."---- Work permit (talk) 23:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
The questionable statement was added by an IP [1] ---- Work permit (talk) 00:55, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Stein as a referenceEdit

There seems to be questions on using The Waffen SS: Hitler's Elite Guard at War, 1939-1945 By George H. Stein as a reference. The blockquote "|We do not expect you to renounce your nation. [...] We do not expect you to become German out of opportunism. We do expect you to subordinate your national ideal to a greater racial and historical ideal, to the Germanic Reich" is there on page 148. Stein taught Modern European history first at Columbia University, and later at the State University of New York at Binghamton where he became Distinguished Professor of History, and also served as Vice President for Academic Affairs, Provost, and Acting President.[2]. So is the consensus that the book and author are not reliable sources for the blockquote.?---- Work permit (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

The author and book appear to me to be reliable sources. In any case, the claim made by Editdude is that the citations were just randomly selected from the bibliography and did not support the statements made, which is not an arguement about reliability, but an argument about editorial misconduct, which appears to be false on its face. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Certainly the blockquote is supported. However some of the other statements in the article may need to be reworded to match the source. For example, "After the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, Hitler's preoccupation with the Pan-Germanic plan began to fade, although the idea was never abandoned." doesn't jump out to me from the source. It appears the source is saying interest from others faded, but not Hitler.---- Work permit (talk) 11:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
If you have access to the source, I would go ahead and make those adjustments. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:32, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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