Talk:Grace Prendergast

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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Prendergast in July 2021

• ... that New Zealand's Grace Prendergast (pictured) was the highest ranked female rower in the world in 2019? Source: "Grace Prendergast and her pair partner Kerri Gowler jumped from 6th and 9th to 1st and 2nd respectively in 2019." (World Rowing Federation)
  • ALT1:... that New Zealand's Grace Prendergast (pictured) is currently the highest ranked female rower in the world? Source: As above, but with the added understanding that World Rowing publishes the Top 10 every October but didn't do so in 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, as these rankings are worked out based on performance at international regattas plus the rule that you can only be in the top 10 if you've medalled in the current year. They thus couldn't publish this as nobody competed in any international regatta that year. Hence the 2019 ranking still stands until October 2021. (rules for top 10 ranking)

• Reviewed: Dayak Desa War
• Comment: My preference is for ALT1 but I understand that one has to get their head around how these rankings are produced to deduct that there could not have been a ranking published in 2020 (i.e. I don't have a source that specifically states that there is no top 10 ranking for 2020). Some editors may argue that this is bordering on OR, hence ALT0 as an alternative. It would be cool if this could be published on the day that the women's pair competition starts with the heats on Saturday, 24 July (and yes, I appreciate that's only 10 days away). The day's rowing (Tokyo time) will be from 8:30 to 12:30. Note that I have rowers nominated at DYK for days either side of this.

5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC).

• The article is expanded fivefolds, long enough, referenced, neutral and no copyvio obvious. The hooks are sourced and interesting. I agree that ALT1 seems like the better hook but ALT0 seems to be the safer choice. The images used in the article are free. QPQ done. Nice work! Corachow (talk) 06:29, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

• As an aside, I've just had this article go through a GA assessment. Schwede66 01:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Grace Prendergast/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Harper J. Cole (talk · contribs) 17:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll take on this review, as part of the July 2021 Backlog Drive.--Harper J. Cole (talk) 17:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• [and the current[a] (2019) world champion] I'd suggest moving the note to after the (2019), as it serves as an explanation for the 2019 champion being current.

• I think you should wikilink coxless pair and eight as they relate directly to her profession. (Based on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Contextual links)

• [She hails from Christchurch] A bit informal for Wikipedia. Simply, "comes from" should be fine.

Career

• [(coxless four and eight)] Wikilink both of these.

• Wikilink quad scull.

• [she defended her national championship title with the eight.] Here "in the eight" sounds more natural (though there may be language conventions relating to rowing I'm not aware of).

• [she came fourth in a four] Similarly, I'd expect, "fourth in the four".

• [displaced them to the bronze medal] --> "displaced them to the bronze medal position"

• [where Gowler, and Prendergast] No comma after Gowler.

• [They took out the world championship title] Again, a bit informal: I suggest simply, "They won the..."

• [in a world-best time.] I'm a bit confused by this phrase - does it mean they set a world record?

• [won gold in coxless pair] --> "won gold in the coxless pair"

• [and took out another silver] --> "and won another silver"

• [Those silver medals qualified both boat classes] --> "Those silver medals qualified them in both boat classes"

• [and took out one national title] --> "and won one national title"

• [it came as a big disappointment to Gowler and Prendergast] Citation need for this.

• [they became world champions] Maybe worth mentioning the margin of victory for big achievements like World Champion gold? That goes for her 2019 golds as well.

• Wikilink Lake Karapiro

• [With the coxless pair (with Dyke) and the eight] --> "In the coxless pair (with Dyke) and the eight"

• The "Career" section is running quite long for a single section - I'd suggest creating a couple of subsections, e.g. "Early career" and "Renewed success" starting with her 2017 world gold, or whatever seems a natural break to you.

Summary

• Nothing too major. It's possible that I've made errors due to my limited knowledge of rowing, in which case feel free to disregard. I'll await your response on the above.--Harper J. Cole (talk) 20:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

That's excellent – thank you. It's really good to have a non-topic expert proof-read your work. You've picked up a few things that aren't straightforward and I've explained in footnotes what the background is. I've worked my way through your feedback in batches and whenever something needed explaining, I've done so in an edit summary. Your preference may be that this should, in addition, be recorded here so that we've got a record of this. Or you might say that what I've done is fine. All in all, I've expanded the lead, provided some wikilinks, reworded some passages, provided an additional reference, explained two things in footnotes and expanded the article a little bit. Thank you for your good suggestions. Please say whether anything else ought to be attended to. Schwede66 21:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Looking good! I've read through the explanations, so there's no need to replicate them here. Interesting that there are no world records in rowing, that wouldn't have occurred to me. I shall promote to GA status: thanks for an interesting read,--Harper J. Cole (talk) 00:19, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Not all that's going on in rowing is straightforward. What I found interesting is that the relevant article is called List of world records in rowing, which mentions in the first sentence that there are no world records. That article name appears to be wrong, eh? Thanks again for your good work reviewing this. Schwede66 00:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)