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  1. Raise the rowing (sport) article to featured status.
    1. Get article relisted to 'good article status'
    2. Put through another round of peer review, see here
    3. Nominate for featured status
  2. Ditto for Henley Royal Regatta, The Boat Race , Steve Redgrave
  1. Tag {{Rowing-stub}} onto all rowing stub articles so we can keep track of them.
  2. Expand stubs to at least start class.

New website: tons of dead linksEdit

Worldrowing today launched their new website… and most URLs have changed so that the content is no longer accessible from the old ones. Special:LinkSearch/ can be used to assess the damage to our project. Particularly athlete bios and event result pages are not accessible any longer.

Since the new website has just launched today and is apparently not yet completely stable, I recommend to wait a couple of days until we actually change something here, in case we want to. —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Any word from them whether they want to map old URLs to the new ones? Or how they want to manage the transition? Schwede66 18:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Not that I knew. As I do not have a contact point at FISA, I tried to contact them via Twitter an hour ago or so. No reply yet. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I managed to compile a mapping table of old numeric identifiers and new UUID identifiers. At wikidata:Wikidata:Property proposal/World Rowing ID, I have proposed a new Wikidata property for the new URL scheme. I would appreciate support votes by interested users over there, in order to get this property approved. Once this is done and I have all identifiers imported to Wikidata, we can elaborate a plan to (automatically) migrate identifiers in Wikipedia as well. This should be possible in roughly two weeks from now. —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Alright, the new identifiers have found their way to Wikidata and I would be able to fix a good part of this here at English Wikipedia as well: basically all template transclusions of {{FISA}} outside of references—assuming we change the URL scheme in that template, of course. Procedurally, what would be the right way to do this? I would of course automate this process, just as I did yesterday in German Wikipedia (see de:Special:Contributions/MsynBot). Do I need to get a bot with botflag approved, of could I gently and slowly do this using my regular account? —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure how that works, but WP:BAG would be a good place to ask about this. Schwede66 23:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm generally not an enthusiast for Wikidata, but (given that FISA's recent changes have screwed things up not just for enwiki but for other languages too) this does seem a suitable use for Wikidata, and for a bot where appropriate. Well done for your efforts so far. As well as the athlete IDs, I have found from my own website that many links to event pages for various championships have been broken, which is very frustrating. If you haven't a specific contact point in FISA and they're still not responding to Twitter enquiries, they have a general email address but I think that many people from their office are at home at present. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
It is not necessary to make use of Wikidata here. I would be able to replace the old identifiers with the new ones using a script, so we won't have to look up thousands of new identifiers manually. I just happen to be a Wikidata enthusiast, so I usually have a Wikidata-first workflow that makes my subsequent editing in Wikipedias easier even if no direct data use from Wikidata is involved. —MisterSynergy (talk) 12:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
My reservations about Wikidata are partly about changes outside the control of enwiki but primarily the fundamental limitation to one-to-one mapping, giving severe problems when the breakdown of articles differs between different language Wikipedias. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
It's okay to have reservations. The one-to-one mapping problem can be mitigated with several workarounds, depending a bit on the excat situation which one to choose. In fact, the same problem existed already before Wikidata, as you can only link to one interwiki page per different language Wikipedia anyways. It is just more visible now, after most of the interwiki mess had been cleaned up.
Anyways, I will figure out how to migrate these identifiers locally. Its a bureaucratic burden, since technically I would be prepared to start immediately. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
FISA have tweeted this morning: "We have experienced some issues with past events and results and everything should be back in a couple of days." — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talkcontribs) 08:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
The website has improved a lot meanwhile, but some things are still broken; racing split times and some info from the athlete profiles, such as club affiliations, have disappeared apparently. —MisterSynergy (talk) 01:02, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

World Rowing Website, related to the previous sectionEdit

Hi all, I'm working on Matyáš Klang. With the new World Rowing website, is there a way of linking directly to results? I'm trying to figure out how to best cite it as a reference for him being on the Czech men's 8 squad that won bronze at the 2012 European Championships. Thanks Red Fiona (talk) 00:15, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

As much as I am aware, there is no possibility to directly link to a results page in the way you are trying to. With the new website they have introduced a pretty cool API to retrieve athlete info and results in raw data (JSON) format—but they also failed badly with their web UI that makes heavy use of Javascript basically everywhere. This means that you either need to access Klang's profile and navigate to the results (2 clicks: "see all race results", scroll to the race and then "view details"), or go via the 2012 ERCH regatta page and open the race result of the M8+ final ("see details"). The API call [1] for his profile does include this race result information directly, but it is not (really) human-readable and thus not suitable for a reference. —MisterSynergy (talk) 00:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I think the regatta page is probably the way forward (mutters in frustrated Wikipedian about all the organisations who get spiffy new websites that don't do what I need them to do). Red Fiona (talk) 11:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Alleged BLP violationEdit

On my user talk page, I've been accused of BLP violation. The other editor says this about Pauline Janson (emphasis as per the original): "There is no mention of a marriage in the reference you are using to claim she married." I maintain that this edit reflects what is stated in the archived Sports Reference website and I see that the change in surname has been adopted by the Olympedia database. Ping to Canadian Paul as one of the Olympedia gatekeepers (I'm not aware that you have this project on your watchlist). Have I got the wrong end of the stick? Schwede66 01:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

It's a BLP violation the way you wrote it. I don't think you can make any kind of claim that this name change took place because she got married, nor can you make any claim that this happened before or after the Olympics. Not based on that one source. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:46, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Cannabis and sportsEdit

New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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