Talk:French dip

Who originated the French Dip?

There's been a long-standing, but not ugly, dispute over who invented the French Dip (Phillipe's or Cole's), but I do recall that there has been some investigation on the matter awarding the discovery to Cole's (since I don't have the source handy I'm not putting it in the article). It would be nice if someone could track down the study.

It is a moot point. The sandwich is a traditional English one, sometimes referred to as a Baron of Beef. Neither American established "invented" it.Slagathor (talk) 18:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Cole's

I am likewise inclined to think that Cole's is the real orginator but this is based on information gathered from peeople who work at Cole's so it is certaintly POV.65.125.163.221 05:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider information from the employees of one company in a dispute as the best source for something that happened 90 to 100 years ago. Without third party sources, there is not enough evidence to support one side or the other. I think the article presents both sides in a NPOV manner. Even with significant evidence, the long standing dispute over who originated it is part of what makes the sandwich a topic to be covered by an encyclopedia, and should be included in an artice about the subject. Gentgeen 11:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Part of the problem was, as of 2001 when I lived in LA and loved both places, Cole's had changed management at least once. The owners at the time were a nice Persian couple who were not related to the original owners. The cafe, as you know, originated with the Pacific Electric railcar depot that it still occupies --back when LA had two rival street car lines (hence the full name is Cole's P.E. Buffet). Thus getting the straight scoop from owner/family tradition is now even more difficult. --Bobak 21:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

This should be so easy to prove. Find an old newspaper article raving about the new French dip sandwich. There should be at least one or two from that time. A copy of an old menu (with date) would work too.173.58.64.64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC).

Question of broth

This doesn't come from a point of experience with french dips per se, but it would seem nearly impossible that the quantity of beef typically served in a french dip sandwich could yield the amount of jus typically served on the side, which I should add, typically has little to no fat. Can anyone clear this up. Is Phillipe's really pouring out the drip pan? 72.37.129.139 00:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Gaelic dip?

Where is this ever served, and how is it any different? I've lived in the Midwest for over 20 years and never heard of it. Falsified 23:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I just dropped in to ask about that too. Since I'm not the only one who questions it I'm going to remove it. Perhaps it's a joke of some kind, or is a way of avoiding referring to anything as "french". ·:· Will Beback ·:· 09:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

The article cites "...this is not how the sandwich was served when it was invented." It seems that this statement is biased in such a way as to lean toward one inventor or another. It also has no sources. Hence the bias template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.143.71 (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to disagree because both claimants to originating the sandwich (Philippe's and Cole's) do agree that it was first served pre-dipped, and continue to do so today. So the current comment on the origination doesn't bias towards either one. --Bobak (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

This does not seem to be true? The article states that Cole's serves the sandwich "dry" with a side for dipping. Unless this has been changed since it was first served, it seems that there is no indication the sandwich has always been served "wet." NearNRiver (talk) 17:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

This article should be merged with the other articles

That are about essentially the same thing. Steak sandwich, Italian beef, Cheesesteak. BillyTFried (talk) 04:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I completely disagree, they're nothing alike --especially the two I'm most familiar with, French dips (from Philippe's and Cole's) as well as cheesesteaks (from Pat's and Jim's). These aren't merely different names for the same thing. --Bobak (talk) 05:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Au Jus on the side

This article states that both restaurants serve their sandwiches wet which is not the case. Cole's serves their sandwich with the au jus on the side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevitivity (talk • contribs) 20:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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French dip sandwich → French dip – The "sandwich" part of the article name is somewhat redundant, since the term "French dip" refers to such a sandwich even without the extra word. The "sandwich" part of the title is also somewhat innaccurate, since the broth that is served together with the sandwich is an integral part of the combination called the "French dip" (and therefore the menu item is not just a sandwich). AFAIK, this food item is typically just called a "French dip" on menus rather than being called a "French dip sandwich". There isn't any other kind of well-known "French dip" that I'm aware of, other than this combination of sandwich and broth (although I suppose the term could hypothetically refer to a session of skinny dipping in France). French dip (disambiguation) does not exist, and French dip is already a redirect to here (and always has been since it was created in June 2007). BarrelProof (talk) 21:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support per nom. This might be useful as WP:NATURAL disambiguation if necessary, but it's not. Say, did you catch my BOLD move of Beef on weck sandwich to Beef on weck? --BDD (talk) 16:36, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

  Interesting. I remember looking at Beef on weck yesterday. Given the timing, it seems likely that your move prodded this one, although I don't remember noticing it. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:10, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

• Easy support - it's nice to be concise. Red Slash 22:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support move per WP:CONCISE. If "French dip" identifies the thing, there's no need for any other word. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 09:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support – Per nom. Agree that this is usually referred to as just "French dip". Egsan Bacon (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Usually topped with onions?

I know that some fast casual places put onions on their French dip, but it's not "usual." Cheese, onions, horseradish, and spicy mustard are "sometimes" added. Someone should clean that up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kooosh (talk • contribs) 06:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

"French fries"

The image with the caption "Roast beef dip au jus, with french fries" does not show french fries. French fries are skinny, right? I (an Englishman) would call those "chunky chips". Perhaps they are unpatriotic fries? Deep-fried potato wedges? And they look under-cooked - I don't fancy them at all. MrDemeanour (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

In the US those would certainly be called French fries, there is no issue with the caption. NearNRiver (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a (possibly recent) quirk of British English. We call both these and the skinny ones chips, but some American fast food places like McDonalds call their chips French fries, presumably as part of emphasising being American, and of course they only have the very skinny ones, which has led to that catching on as an alternate name to 'thin/skinny' chips to distinguish the thin ones from the more common thicker ones like in the picture. (This is purely original research but I know some British people also think in America you only get thin chips.)

I don't have a good source for any of this, but as an example if you search Tesco (a British supermarket) for 'French Fries' you get results for skinny chips - with one British brand even putting that name on the package - ahead of various other types of chips: https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=french%20fries&icid=tescohp_sws-1_m-ft_in-french%20fries_out-french%20fries Danikat (talk) 08:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

The Sandwich Was invented in Long Beach

I'm a former curator for the Ranchos in the City of Long Beach (founded i895). Actually Coles and Phillipe's both took the sandwich from a now-defunct deli in Long Beach that opened up on the Pacific Electric Line that went to LA and opened up Long Beach. If I recall right, it was on Alamitos and 2cd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.126.71.24 (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)