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Place of deathEdit

Staffordshire Police are reporting Betley, a place in Staffordshire near the border with Cheshire. It definitely isn't any part of Crewe, despite the postcode, and is probably slightly nearer to Newcastle-under-Lyme. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

The article now reflects that. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:42, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Indeed; that might just be because I edited it. I was responding for clarity to DatGuy who made an edit summary "Death is confirmed by police, also happened in betley straffordshire (or is it southampton? sorry, not familiar with england village/district/city order customs". Given the storm of inaccurate editing I was keen that the death place not be moved to Southampton, which is also nowhere near Crewe. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Great, so everything is RS and V so it's good to go at ITN. Nothing more needed. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I must've mixed up Southampton and Newcastle, guess I was trying to multitask something. Dat GuyTalkContribs 23:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
You mean St James' Park and St James Park, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 23:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


Is it just me or are the citations of this article at the time of this edit really poor? I took a look and many key details in the article are either cited by social media sites such as instagram and twitter, or tabloid newspapers. Inter&anthro (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

They are definitely sub-par for our normal expectations. Problem with young musicians with limited coverage is that's all we have. Do you think there's anything critical or controversial which is only cited by such sources? The Rambling Man (talk) 23:08, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't think the citations are an immediate problem (which is why I did not template the article) but in the future when the shock of his death wears off I am afraid the article might be nominated for deletion due to the lack of third-party coverage. Reliable sources are a necessity when establishing WP:GNG, and so far the most reliable sources in the article (BBC & the Guardian) are mostly just covering Cadet's death rather than his music. Inter&anthro (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not an expert at WP:NMUSIC but charting the UK Top 40 might count for something? You're right that the overall feeling is disappointingly crap, but the BBC and The Guardian themselves covering his death, along with some YouTube and Top 40 notability is probably enough to sustain the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I would guess the go-to source for most of those familiar with Cadet would be GRM Daily, which doesn't even have an article yet. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Well no, I guess the go-to source would be the fact one of the songs made it to the UK Top 40, regardless of who published it. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:38, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I which case the source is missing. The GRM Daily YT channel doesn't even claim it was his "breakthrough single". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't really follow you, either it was a Top 40 record or it wasn't, regardless of whether GRM Daily has an article, note it on their YouTube channel, or claim anything about it. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
The chart position is sourced only later in Discography. If that's sufficient, then fine. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
If it's cited, it's cited. If you prefer to move the cite, please feel free to do so. I'm not sure the rest of your comments are really relevant though. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:49, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me self-evident that it was a "breakthrough single", simply because it charted. But if that's only "regarded" as such by someone, where is the source? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh, wow, that's the issue? Ok, so just remove that clause. Next! The Rambling Man (talk) 23:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
In fact, I did that on your behalf. No need to thank me. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Red links are fine, for RD articles aren't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:57, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, red links are fine for FAs. And? The Rambling Man (talk) 23:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
GAs too. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Good. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:04, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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