Talk:Antisemitism in contemporary Norway

1.6 Holocaust

When Norway was invaded by Germany in April, 1940 there were 2,173 Jews in the country, 1,643 were Norwegians, 240 were foreign and 290 stateless. The last two groups made up 35% of the Jewish community, many had only recently arrived seeking refuge from Germany or Eastern Europe, but events would later overtake them. Holocaust_in_Norway
Some were using the Nansen passports provided by the League of Nations at the suggestion of the Norwegian High Commissioner, Fridtjof Nansen.
His son, Odd, had continued his humanitarian work by creating the Nansenhjelpen in 1936 to assist Jewish refugees.
The Jewish Children's Home in Oslo was established three years later as a safe haven for Jewish children from Nazi persecution.

Cleanup

I tagged the article for cleanup, as it now rambles quite a bit on the sections after World War II. And of course, the Holocaust section needs to actually be written. There are also a few editorial comments we should try to eliminate. --Leifern (talk) 13:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Parts of this article are blatantly POV. 88.88.94.62 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC).

Silly sentence

"Kosher meat production is currently illegal in Norway. However, Halal meat production is approved and legal, despite the methods employed being equivalently painful to animals as the comparable Judaistic meat production.[36]"

This sentence shows a lack of knowledge as to the situation regarding religious slaughter in Norway. Stunning is compulsory before slaughtering. The Moslems comply with this, the Jews do not. Kosher meat production is not illegal per se, but the methods used are illegal. The Moslems have removed those elements of Halal slaughter that does not comply with Norwegian Law, while the Jews have rejected this solution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.252.230 (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

This comment shows equal lack of knowledge. Kosher meat production, well actually shechita, is illegal. "The Jews" have not "rejected" a "solution." In order for meat to be kosher, certain very specific requirements have to be met. The ban on shechita in the early 20th century had clear antisemitic motivations, and objections to it now don't take into consideration scientific evidence that has appeared since then. Leifern (talk) 06:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I clarified the section on kosher and halal. However, my footnotes are a bit shoddy. Please feel free to fix them! --KongOlavKonfekt (talk) 12:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Shechita controversy

This section is biased and not very noteable. Besides a book I have never heard of, the main sources are World Net Daily and National Review. These are right wing and notorious pro-Israel supporters that regularly use the antisemitism-argument against moderate nations, and their knowledge of Norwegian politics is close to zero. Besides, and quite comically, the most of this section (which is a subsection of 'current issues') is blabbering about the debate in the 1890's. I will replace the section with the relevant facts of the case if there are no NPOV objections within a few days. Something like this: The practice of Jewish ritual slaughter is banned in Norway. Halal is allowed given that the animal stunned first. Arguments have been raised that this ban is based on antisemitism, and that it has an antisemitic origin, whereas the Norwegian authorities claim that the ban is grounded in animal welfare concerns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pertn (talk • contribs) 12:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

External links

I suggest removing, or at least cleaning up, the external links section.

Link one, bearing a highly crytpical and most likely misleading title, links to a page that no longer exists on the Norwegian Department of Foreign Affairs' Israel web site.

Link two, "Jew Hatred in Contemporary Norwegian Caricatures", while it might be useful as a source for some of the contents of the article, is hardly a resource to consult if one wants to learn about Norwegian antisemitism in general, as it is a highly biased and selective discourse analysis focusing exclusively on newspaper cartoons.

--KongOlavKonfekt (talk) 08:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Current Issues

Ref this section: 'Dershowitz noted that the only other country that prevented him from lecturing at its universities was South Africa during the apartheid era.[48][49]' The claim that Dershwotiz was prevented from speaking is not substantiated by the links, (one of which is dead). Not asking someone to speak is not the same as preventing them from speaking. Unless someone proposes a re wording I will remove this non neutral statement.Dalai lama ding dong (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The article accurately quoted Dershowitz's view on the subject. I've restored it. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:33, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I cannot find the National Post article, but have found this which is similar, but differs enough to make it important, i.e. it is clear that the 'refusal' is by the universities themselves, and not the nation itself, and the comparison is not just to SA. 'Dershowitz told the small Christian daily Dagen that the refusals by the Norwegian universities to let him speak reminded him of his visits to the Soviet Union, and South Africa under the apartheid regime.' (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4048299,00.html) Unless you can produce the NP source, I shall replace the reference and the wording with this.Dalai lama ding dong (talk) 09:24, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The article was also published by the Wall Street Journal. In it he states "Only once before have I been prevented from lecturing at universities in a country. The other country was Apartheid South Africa." Since the Wikipedia article is accurate, there appears to be no reason to change it. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Nothing between 1945 and 2004?

Firstly, thanks to the contributors of this article - I found it an interesting read. But there does seem to be a rather big gap in it: there's nothing about antisemitism in Norway between the end of World War II and 2004. I recognise information on earlier decades may be harder to find, but it would make a useful addition to this article, to make it clearer whether or not reported antisemitism has significantly increased in recent years. Robofish (talk) 22:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Non English sources

As per WP:NOENG WP:NONENG I request relevant portions of the original and a translation of the reference used to support the claims made in this section. 'Efforts to ban shechita put well-intended humane society activists in league with antisemitic individuals. In particular, Jonas Søhr, a senior police official, took a particular interest and eventually rose to the leadership of The Norwegian Federation for Animal Protection. The animal rights cause was used as a means to attack not just the method of slaughter, but also the community itself. Those opposing the ban included Fridtjof Nansen, but the division on the issue crossed party lines in all mainstream parties, except the Agrarian Party (today, the Centre Party), which was principled in its opposition to schechita.' I have added a verification needed tag to this section.Dalai lama ding dong (talk) 22:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

This is about historical events that happened in Norway, and so it follows that most of the sources will be in Norwegian. Do you really expect me to sit down and translate a whole chapter in a book to make you happy? Can you clarify what about this that makes you so uncomfortable? Leifern (talk) 05:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with making me happy, and you should not try and personalise this. As per WP:NOENG WP:NONENG an English translation has to be provided as a courtesy. I shall mark this as verification needed until this action is takenDalai lama ding dong (talk) 09:18, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The information provided is properly sourced and cited. I really don't know what your problem is. Leifern (talk) 06:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

it is not my problem, it is wikipedia policy. Again I must ask you not to personalise this, and please provide the required translation, in the interim it will be marked appropriately to its status.Dalai lama ding dong (talk) 07:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

RfC

BAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

April 2014 edit

User:ScottyNolan inserted this paragraph. There is multiple problems with this. First, we don't have any sources linking Johansen's visit to anti-semitism, hence it's off-topic. It's also a BLP violation to imply in Wikipedia's voice that this is anti-semitism. If someone has accused Johansen of anti-semittism, this must be attributed and we would also need to include sources rebutting that this is anti-semitism. The paranthesis is editor's own synthesis, it's violating NPOV and it may be a BLP violation in relation to Johansen because it can be interpreted as an accusation of anti-Semitism. The last sentence about anti-Zionism/pro-Palestina attitudes likewise say nothing about anti-Semitism. It user doesn't self-revert, I am going to bring this the BLP noticeboard (and soon, since BLP violations must be dealt with quickly). Iselilja (talk) 20:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I would like to see quotes from the source that support this and that definitely and explicitly connect it with antisemitism before it goes in here. As it stands it looks an awful lot like synthesis.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Various Palestinians have a problem with anti-Israeli sentiment and anti-Israeli actions and various Israelis have a problem with anti-Palestinian sentiment and anti-Palestinian actions. Problems abound throughout but just because someone has visited one of the sides does not give them Guilt by association. Its the nature of the interaction that needs to be qualified. Gregkaye (talk) 05:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Raymond Johansen's page also states that he "announced that Norway will resume economic aid" but nothing is said about intention to help the Palistinians or to hurt the Israelis. there isn't even a citation on this. Gregkaye (talk) 06:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Why notable?

"In July 2006 during the 2006 Lebanon War the congregation issued an advisory warning Jews not to wear kippot or other identifying items in public for fear of harassment or assault."

And the link is dead, Aftenposten Newspaper: "Jews warned against harassment" --Poodlecrudoil (talk) 11:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:3D Test of Antisemitism which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 10:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)