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Dutch Bros

Hello editors! I recently drafted an expanded and updated History section for the Oregon-based coffee chain Dutch Bros and I’m hoping there might be someone here who might like to take a look. A full draft of my proposal is on the Dutch Bros talk page. As an employee at Dutch Bros I have a COI, so I obviously can’t update the page myself. I tried the folks at WikiProject Food and drink earlier this week but didn’t have much luck.

I’d really appreciate any help I can get with this. Thanks so much! Hillaryjbrown (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Recent changes to Jantzen Beach Carousel

I felt compelled to revert recent changes to Jantzen Beach Carousel, even though I believe the editor was attempting to update the entry in good faith. Not only was too much text changed at once, but some of the claims were poorly sourced and others contradicted previously used sources. If any editors want to help make Wikipedia-compliant improvements, please feel free to help out! I've started a discussion on the talk page and hope the editor will engage. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library

Just got notified that I qualify to sign-up to use Wikipedia Library. It includes access to Jstor and number of the pay-to-use sources that are free via Wikipedia Library. Do any of you use Wikipedia Library? If so, I'd like to know if it’s user-friendly or hassle to use?--Orygun (talk) 06:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I have Wikipedia Library subscriptions to newspapers.com and Ancestry, very useful in researching biographies and schools. It's easy to use--I just applied and waited for notification of approval. They e-mailed me account and login information. No hassles whatsoever. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 10:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I found it easy as well once I got set up. I just went there the other day to get something from JStor. It beats having to go in person to a university library, access the information, and e-mail it to yourself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks teammates! Didn't realize library included newspapers.com ... I've been paying for access to that source.--Orygun (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I found it slightly complex to get signed up initially, but it probably had to do with an ad blocker I was using and/or the fact that I had two inadvertently made newspapers.com accounts under two separate email addresses. Once I got it up and running, it's been an tremendous asset, incredibly handy for lots of research projects, and I've used clippings on many wiki pages. I find it a good complement to the other newspaper archive sites I use (I've kept notes about various resources at our Oregon Reference Desk page). Heartily recommend. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Community activism in Eugene, Oregon

I came across this article when I was looking for something else, so of course, I fell into the rabbit hole. It appears this article was created after another editor had added a large amount of text originally to the Eugene, Oregon article. So I removed the duplicated text from the Eugene article and left a "Main article" template note at the Activism section of the Eugene article. Both articles need to be reviewed, preferably by another editor with experience splitting (or forking?) articles. I'm wary of going back through the looking glass... Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 08:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll look at the content forked article--I tend to avoid the Eugene article because of that rabbit thing. I do have some COI regarding some of the events. Valfontis (talk) 02:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, V, my thought was that the forked article might be summarized better in the text remaining behind in the Eugene article. But maybe not. The amount of detail in the fork made summarizing seem like a daunting task, maybe not so much worth doing? Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Earwig's copyvio detector shows 63.1% similarity with a uo blog post based on a 2004 honors thesis. Gah! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 06:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Aboutmovies and Peteforsyth, The copyvio involves 2 paragraphs plus 2 sentences in both Eugene, Oregon (diffs 968343200 through 1062727198) and Community activism in Eugene, Oregon (diff 1065147591 through 1065191229). The copyvio in the Eugene article dates back to 18 July 2020... I've re-read WP:COPYPROB several times and am still confused about whether WP:REVDEL is necessary? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Grand'mere Eugene, thanks for the ping. If it is a copyvio, yes, it should be rev-deleted, and I'm happy to do the honors. But, in the past I've seen new contributors shamed and humiliated over things that were good faith contributions and at least arguably not copyvios, so I like to do some good due diligence before taking any action. Have you looked into it beyond the AI score? What's your impression? I can look more closely in the next couple days. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Pete, I agree this is an instance where we need to tread carefully. So far, all I've found is the exact duplication of 5 sentences plus 2 partial sentences, comprising 167 words, or 993 characters (with spaces). It's a very small fraction of the Eugene article, and a somewhat bigger fraction of the Community activism article— but nowhere close to the copyvio instance we had with University of Oregon Rowing Team in 2014–2015, involving yet another Honors College thesis. My impression is that this was a slip, the product of a relatively inexperienced writer who, if aware of copyvio pitfalls at all, may have assumed blogs are not copyright protected. I will also look more closely at the texts. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry to take so long to review this! I have finally taken a close look. It appears to me that everything you did, Grand'mere Eugene, is proper, and should be sufficient.

My analysis: There's a tricky thing about revision deletion (as you're likely aware): properly removing the copyrighted material means deleting the text of all intervening edits, because each one reflects the contents of the article on that date. But to delete a whole string of edits (in this case, going back to July 2020 on the Eugene article) also means denying the intervening authors attribution of their own work...which could be its own copyright violation, since the CC BY-SA license we all agree to requires attribution, which is contained in the edit history. It's also a disservice to any readers who may have an interest in the nuances of the article's evolution in that time period.

I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of how the DMCA applies in a case like this is, the web host (WMF in this case) would have legal liability for a copyright violation only if (1) the copyright owner properly notified the web host (with what is known as a DMCA take down notice, a fairly easy document to create if you base it on a template); and (2) the web host failed to comply properly with the notice. Only after both of those events would it be possible for the copyright holder to sue the web host for damages. So, in weighing the pros and cons, I feel that it's relevant to consider the extent of the violation, and the amount of impact a rev deletion would have on other considerations, and in this case, it doesn't seem worthwhile to delete revisions. Other administrators, or lawyers, or whatnot, may disagree, and they might be right, but that's my take based on the parts I know about. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:17, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Assessment request

Can I get experienced Wiki-Oregon teammate to access new Robert A. Emmitt article? Right now, there is approved DYK hook scheduled to be highlighted on Wikipedia’s home page this Monday/7 Feb. Would really like to have article accessed before hook is published on Wiki's front page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done, nice work! – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Black Francis

I have nominated Black Francis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 23:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Another assessment request

Once again, I'd like to request an experienced Wiki-Oregon editor to access new John Emmitt article? There is approved DYK hook on that article scheduled to appear on Wikipedia’s home page on Sunday/27 Feb. Would like to have article accessed before hook is published on Wikipedia's front page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Fine work, as usual! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Feedback wanted re: categorization of Old Town Chinatown

I've proposed removing Category:Chinese-American culture in Portland, Oregon as a parent category of Category:Old Town Chinatown:

• Category talk:Old Town Chinatown

I've followed up with a second proposal. Feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Portland Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon: March 12, 2022

You are invited! An Art+Feminism Wikipedia edit-a-thon will be held in Portland, Oregon, on March 12, 2022. Learn more here!

Wikipedia is one of the most-visited sites on the internet—and it’s created by people who volunteer their time to write and edit pages. Learn how to edit Wikipedia and be a part of shaping our understanding of our world. In this workshop, volunteer Wikipedia editors will be on hand to train participants on how to get started editing pages and offer ideas for which pages you can pitch in to help improve. Show up at any point during the four hours to get started!

Also: Free burritos!! We will be providing vegan, vegetarian, and meat burritos from food cart Loncheria Las Mayos. Alder Commons has a large, fenced playground. Children are welcome! Some computers will be available to borrow, but if you have a laptop, please bring it to use. We will also be leading an online training for new editors at 11am-12pm PST. Please feel free to join that training if you are not able to show up IRL.

This event is part of the international month of events organized by Art+Feminism, which is building a community of activists committed to closing information gaps related to gender, feminism, and the arts, beginning with Wikipedia. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hollywood

Resolved

What should we call the page for Portland's Hollywood neighborhood? See Talk:Hollywood District to weigh in. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Wayfinding

Resolved

Project members might weigh in here re: proposed page move. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Update: Page moved. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The Roxy

RIP, The Roxy :( ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Dutch Bros: Follow-up request for assistance

Hello editors! Back in January I posted here asking for help with a request I'd posted on the Dutch Bros Talk page. I'm an employee of Dutch Bros and have a COI, so I've avoided editing the page directly. I have since received a few brief messages from editors about the request (to lightly revise the History section), but nobody appears to have time to offer a full review or to implement any updates. One editor asked for examples of "negative information" about Dutch Bros, which I provided, but no further action was taken. In addition to asking for help here, I've also posted messages at WikiProject Food and drink and on the Talk pages of editors who have been active on the Dutch Bros article in the past. And again, I have received very few responses to these messages. I'm honestly not sure what steps I should take next, which is why I've come back to WikiProject Oregon. It looks like this group is very active and I'm hoping someone here can assist me or at least direct me somewhere else. I would be very grateful for any information you can provide. Hillaryjbrown (talk) 05:03, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Mall 205 --> Marketplace 205?

I've asked about the appropriateness of a page move over at Talk:Mall 205. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Lee Kelly

RIP, Lee Kelly ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Sad news. I love brushed stainless steel sculptures, and Akbar's Garden's location on the UO campus makes it a sculpture that tens of thousands of people see every day. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Big fan here, too. My faves include Angkor I and Frank E. Beach Memorial Fountain. Methinks a visit to the Elizabeth Leach Gallery is needed (can't help but notice the unillustrated Wikipedia entry). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Fleetwood, Oregon

This article was initially assessed as class. Since town only existed a few years and was never very big, article must be close to . Any suggestions regarding what I could add/expand to get it up to that level before I archive my notes and move on to other topics…thanks.--Orygun (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Rater gave it a "B or better" at the 87.5% confidence range. Good stuff! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks for follow-up review!--Orygun (talk) 19:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Oregon Parks Forever

The "Oregon Parks Forever" web page is out of date. It reads:

"Oregon Parks Forever (formerly the Oregon State Parks Foundation) is a U.S. non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of state parks in Oregon. While the organization works collaboratively with the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department, it is an independent organization, with its own board and priorities established in 1995.[1] Its mission is 'to raise funds to enhance and preserve the experience of using the more than 260 Oregon State Parks, now and for generations to come.'"

They no longer focus on state parks. Their current mission reads "Our mission is to raise funds to enhance and preserve special places and experiences in Oregon’s parks, now and for generations to come, and to encourage and promote an outdoor lifestyle."

Recommend changing this to:

"Oregon Parks Forever (formerly the Oregon State Parks Foundation) is a U.S. non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of parks in Oregon. The organization is an independent organization with staff and a board.[1] Its mission is 'raise funds to enhance and preserve special places and experiences in Oregon’s parks, now and for generations to come, and to encourage and promote an outdoor lifestyle.'"[2]

[1] https://www.orparksforever.org/about-us/meet-our-team/ [2] https://www.orparksforever.org/mission/

Chris, Oregon Parks and Recreation Dept.

Chrisahavel (talk) 19:36, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Charisahavel, I made the changes you requested and added a couple of news sources from newspapers.com. Do you know of any additional news articles about the organization? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Wow, fast edit @Grand'mere Eugene. You got the ones I'm aware of. The nonprofit no longer has an agreement to do fundraising for the Oregon State Park system (which makes information about state park funding seem kind of odd here, since it implies that filling a funding gap in state park finances is still their purpose), but that information about the end of their agreement doesn't have a source I can point to yet. When the information is published, I will bring a citation back for your review. Thanks much. Chrisahavel (talk) 00:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Epic Aircraft COI edit requests

Hi! I've posted some COI edit requests at Talk:Epic Aircraft, a company headquartered in Bend. Most of the requests were handled a few weeks ago by someone from WikiProject Aviation, but there are a few fairly small items outstanding (clearly marked). Sharing in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you for any help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 18:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Good article nominees: Bolivia Carmichaels, Flawless Shade, Poison Waters

I've nominated Bolivia Carmichaels, Flawless Shade, and Poison Waters for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing. Trying to improve coverage of local LGBT culture and history. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Poison Waters has been promoted. One down, two to go! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Oregon Geographic Names: Free, searchable web version of 1952 edition

Hi all, I've learned that all editions of the venerated Oregon Geographic Names book and associated articles, up to & including 1952, are in the public domain. I've done a basic wikification of the 1952 edition, which may serve as a useful reference for Oregon toponyms. (Yeah that's right, wiki has expanded my vocabulary.) Feel free to peruse. (You'll notice some formatting oddities, it'll take a while to sort through those...but I think it's complete enough to be useful as is.)

wikisource:en:Oregon Geographic Names (1952)

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Red Lion Hotel on the River Jantzen Beach

Seeking image(s) and talk page participation re: Red Lion Hotel on the River Jantzen Beach.

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Meet-and-greet in Portland with WMF's new CPTO, Selena Deckelmann

Hi everyone! My name is Arthur Richards, Director of Learning & Development for the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF). While I've been at the Foundation for 12 years, I'm relatively new to the PNW - I moved from Arizona to Bend, OR in 2018. You may have heard that the WMF recently hired a new Chief of Product and Technology Officer, Selena Deckelmann, who is based in Portland. We would like to organize a meet-and-greet event in Portland either on August 3 or August 4 2022 for area Wikimedians (inclusive of WMF staff) to get to know Selena a bit, and vice versa. Details are still TBD - and will be somewhat dependent on how many people we expect to attend. If you would be interested in attending an event like this, please let me know below or send an email to arthur [at] wikimedia [dot] org. I expect to have more concrete details in the next few weeks.

(Cross posted to Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Portland) Awjrichards (WMF) (talk) 17:13, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi all, an update here - we have coalesced around meeting up on August 3, 3-5pm. We are still finalizing the venue, but wanted to share the update around timing so you can mark your calendars. I will followup once we have the venue settled. Looking forward to connecting with those of you planning to attend! Awjrichards (WMF) (talk) 14:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi again everyone! We have reserved a venue. The meet and greet will be held on August 3, 3-5pm at Rose City Book Pub in NE Portland. Hope to see you there! Awjrichards (WMF) (talk) 20:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Alcoa House (Portland, Oregon)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alcoa House (Portland, Oregon)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Henry Thiele Restaurant

Resolved

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Thiele Restaurant

---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Anyone able to add an image of the restaurant? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Update: Kept ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Sara Hauman

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sara Hauman

---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD: The Grand Lodge Hotel

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Grand Lodge Hotel (2nd nomination)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Update: This discussion has been relisted twice, if any project members care to weigh in. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Assessment Request

Teammates … once again, I have an article accepted for the DYK section of Wikipedia main page. Article is on Brady L. Adams, who was President of Oregon Senate for two sessions back in the 1990s. Right now, the article is about to fall off the bottom of the Oregon new article list without being assessed. The DYK bullet is scheduled to be published on Wikipedia’s main page in the next few days. I’d really appreciate it if an experienced WikiProject Oregon editor would do an class/importance assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done — When you're good, you're good. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

  Go for good! ;) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Request assessment

I’ve been writing about long-gone politicians for a while, so this month I decided to try something different. Wiki-editors in the Portland area have recently been working on the food and beverage subject area, so I decided to upload an article on General Duffy's Waterhole, a well-known Central Oregon pub and events venue. I found enough independent third-party sources to write a good comprehensive article. It includes both positive and negative info about Duffy’s so the article is balanced with facts about COVID-era OLCC citations as well as community awards, etc. However, the article just dropped off the bottom of the WikiProject Oregon New Article List without being assessed … so I am requesting an experienced Wiki-Oregon editor review and assess the article. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Orygun, I took a look and mad a few minor copy edits. It's well-written, as usual, but I'm not seeing the significant coverage in regional or nationals sources required for notability for WP:NORG. There is one reference from The Oregonian, but it is about the governor's mask mandate, and doesn't mention the pub. I didn't find any sources at newspapers.com. Maybe other Oregon editors will be able to locate stronger regional sourcing? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 04:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I was inspired to do this article by the numerous Wiki-articles on Portland food and beverage locations Another Believer has been doing. The Portland pub and restaurant articles now fill a large Wiki-category with an even larger subcategory on places like Duffy's. Having written quite a bit about eastern Oregon, I think it's fair to say the Bend Bulletin is the most influential newspaper east of the Cascades and should qualify as a valid regional source. The Oregonian and two Salem Statesman sources cover minor elements of the story, but shows how the subject is related to larger issues. Also, as you know, much of today’s news is covered via TV reporting rather than newspapers. This article cites news reports from three TV stations … two Bend stations and one from Klamath Fall. These stations cover about the same broadcast area as Portland and Eugene stations so should qualify as regional news media. In any case, I appreciate your comments ... thank you!--Orygun (talk) 06:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

With my apologies to Orygun, I have to belatedly admit confusion about what constitutes a regional source, and I hope to make amends for my probable myopic Willamette Valley understanding of state media. I have been assuming "regional" meant "more than statewide". However, taking a new look at the WP:AUD description, it seems "regional" means broader than local, but less than statewide: attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary. The order of that list seems clear to me now that "regional" fits many of the sources in General Duffy's Waterhole, especially the television affiliates in the region. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for following up on the original assessment review. It seldom happens in the Wiki-environment. That kind of engagement is one of the best things about our Wiki-Oregon team … i.e. editors have an on-going interest in project articles. Again, thanks for your time and thoughtful review!--Orygun (talk) 19:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Jo Ann Hardesty lead info

Hello WikiProject Oregon editors. Portland city commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty is the first African-American woman to serve in that role. The lead in her article mentioned this fact until it was removed by editor @Graywalls, who said the info was not lead worthy in an edit yesterday. I opened a discussion on the talk page because I think the information is notable enough to have in the lead. Another editor - @PDXBart - agreed it should be included, so I added the information back. Graywalls again reverted my edit, saying, One additional person that sides with you is hardly consensus. reaching 2 to 1 is hardly consensus. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. This can go to 3P or RfC if need to be. RfCs use a lot of editor time and I really don't think it's needed for what I view as such an uncontroversial inclusion of information, so I'm asking for another opinion on if the information should be included.

I think the information is not only important to the subject's article/notability, but to Portland's history as well. Being the first African American woman in a city commissioner role is a historic achievement, and it has been covered widely in RS, including (but not limited to): OPB; Willamette Week; Portland Mercury; The Oregonian; Portland Observer; KATU; KOIN; and the list continues. The subject is actually the first African American/Black woman to ever hold an elected citywide position in Portland overall (source), which could change the wording slightly but still gets the point across.

I will not be pinging individual editors, as I don't want to canvass, but I think notifying this project instead of going the RfC route is appropriate to save a lot of time and effort. If you have suggestions, thoughts, or would like to weigh in on the topic, more opinions are welcome. I do not want to edit war, so asking for additional eyeballs. Thanks folks! --Kbabej (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't mind pinging @Another Believer for his input because he has been kindly helping me in other articles (and not usually to my wishes, so I don't think this is canvassing), and I would be interested to see his take on this as one of the more veteran editors out there who is also interested in PDX and politics. PDXBart (talk) 02:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Kbabej wanted the matter of Hardesty calling 911 on a Lyft driver out despite the fact it received coverage in The Daily Telegraph, Oregonlive, and son on. To exclude this, yet selectively include rather conditional first African American (within) a (specific council) within a (specific city) is rather lopsided and undue and this selective presentation would be an undue coverage. For the similar argument of established notability, they should both be in the lead. The reasoning to selectively leave out the Lyft matter while including "the first in..." trivia is not established. Per WP:LEAD, prominent controversy should be considered. Graywalls (talk) 13:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

The fact she was AA and it was a historic election was already included in the article and has been there for a while. I did not add that information. Also, I would have preferred to talk about the two content issues separately, but c'est la vie. I don't see how a minor spat with a Lyft driver that didn't result in any continuing coverage is DUE in the lead. There was no ban from Lyft, no lawsuit, etc. To consider a minor spat with a Lyft driver where no charges were filed and nothing physical happened, and then a historic first for Portland city-wide seems to be weighting minor news stories the same as historical firsts. --Kbabej (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Minor spat, in you opinion. As called out in different articles and given her stance on police, I don't see it as a minor spat given sizable, independent, reliable coverage in widely circulated media with broad reach. You wish to keep out her calling 911, which I argue is prominent controversy to be given consideration by WP:LEAD but you wish to include her being first African American as a city council member of the local city, Portland. WP:DUE should consider balance. Graywalls (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Douglass Cemetery

• Douglass Cemetery ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

If we're going to list every Oregon AFD on this page (which seems redundant to me, I think most of us already watch Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Article alerts), I think a link to the AFD itself is also useful: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Douglass Cemetery -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Hippo Hardware and Trading Company

Improvements welcome: Hippo Hardware and Trading Company. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Sigh, never mind, the article was speedy deleted so I'm working on a restoration. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

And we're back! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:46, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Alice Di Micele

The article Alice Di Micele has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

While there is a tenuous claim of significance (and so fails speedy), there is no claim of notability.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. UtherSRG (talk) 01:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

"Bronze Pond" in Troutdale?

During a recent visit to Troutdale, I stumbled upon a pond and sculpture garden near the Art Center and Visionary Park. On Google Maps, this area appears as simply "Bronze Pond". Some additional 'Googling' turned up Caswell Sculpture Garden. I assume this garden displays works by Rip Caswell, but I'm not finding a ton of info. I'm curious if any project members know more and/or can help confirm if this site is notable.

Below are some pictures, starting and ending with photos of the nearby Art Center for reference:

GALLERY

I'll assume the site is not worthy of a Wikipedia entry, but I wanted to ask in case this garden is known by other names and has received coverage apart from what little I was able to find via Google. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Here's one article from the planning stages of the garden: Sculptor Rip Caswell puts trout back in Troutdale as a way to give back — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, it was apparently originally intended as a wedding venue. There are a couple of YouTube videos near the bottom of this site: Caswell Sculpture Garden Wedding Venue. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

...and a Library of Congress listing ! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Neutrality tag on List of public art in Portland, Oregon?

Inviting editors to weigh in: Talk:List of public art in Portland, Oregon ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Tribune article on TriMet's Frequent Express

Just thought this was rather amusing (and flattering), but it's quite ironic when a reliable secondary source you hope to acquire new info from for an article you're editing just ends up using the content of that very article. Thanks alot, Jim! https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/556761-444831-trimet-fx-service-ready-to-roll truflip99 (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Andy Ngo has an RFC

Andy Ngo has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ––FormalDude (talk) 03:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Assessment Request

Once again, I have an article accepted for the DYK section of Wikipedia main page. Article is on Earle M. Chiles, who was an Oregon businessman and philanthropist. The article fell off the bottom of the Oregon new article list some time ago without being assessed. The DYK bullet is likely to be published on Wikipedia’s main page soon. I’d really appreciate it if an experienced WikiProject Oregon editor would do an class/importance assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Images from 1940

I've recently noticed that there are many photos in a book many of us are familiar with, Oregon: End of the Trail, created by the WPA in 1940. This book's copyright was not renewed. I'll be uploading high quality scans to Commons in the near future, thought I'd give folks an advance tip in case there are photos you'd like to use in various articles. https://archive.org/details/oregonendoftrail00writrich/page/n653/mode/2up -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I uploaded them here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Hanford Site Featured article review

I have nominated Hanford Site for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

PROD: St. Anne's Chapel (Marylhurst University)

• St. Anne's Chapel (Marylhurst University)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:56, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Lafayette Cartee Assessment

New article on Lafayette Cartee was posted in DYK section on Wikipedia’s Main Page today. Prior to DYK bullet being posted, article was assessed as class, but it was not assessed for importance. Request someone from WikiProject Oregon do importance assessment. That shouldn’t be too hard since Cartee was Speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives…so based on Wiki-Oregon assessment guide, "State-level politicians … should remain in the Low category unless they served in multiple places … , or had a leadership role in their branch (Chief Justice, Speaker of the House, etc.) then up to Mid." Would also apricate a second look at class rating. After initial assessment, I asked original assessor what I needed to do to get the article up a , but never got an answer. According to Wikipedia:Content assessment page, article is "substantial but is still missing important content … Considerable editing is needed to close gaps in content and solve cleanup problems." I thought the article was pretty comprehensive, but I’m willing to spend time improving it. However, just so I'm not spinning my wheels, I’d like some feedback as to where the Cartee article needs help. Thank!-Orygun (talk) 05:05, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The Rater assessment prediction is B or higher (80.9%). I consider the Rater prediction as one factor in assessing articles, along with source checks, overall completeness, and Standard Written English. Without hesitation, another well-deserved "B" rating in your portfolio. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I have increased the importance assessment from low to mid, for the reason cited above: his having served as Speaker of the House. SJ Morg (talk) 11:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you both for your time and thoughtful follow-up!--Orygun (talk) 07:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Del Riley

Im working on a draft of an article on Del Riley in my userspace, would happily accept some help if anyone wants to pitch in. Theres a rough draft in my userspace at User:127(point)0(point)0(point)1/Del Riley Thanks for anything you add or edit! Hoping to move it into mainspace next week. --WhoIs 127.0.0.1 ping/loopback 13:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Should note, especially if you can find an unencumbered photo. Maybe a government one? Theres a lot of old newspaper photos, but id rather not faff about with NFCC rules and limit further distribution, so a copyleft or public domain photo is preferred. Government works are generally public domain, so thats what I'm looking out for. --WhoIs 127.0.0.1 ping/loopback 13:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

FAR for New Carissa

User:Buidhe has nominated New Carissa for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

New article: Willamette Escarpment

Hey all, I just created an article on the Willamette Escarpment, which is the bluff that overlooks Swan Island and the Oaks Bottom Wildlife Refuge in Portland. I'd appreciate some additional eyes on the article, as I'm not sure how clear the prose would be to someone who isn't already familiar with Portland's geography. I'm also a bit hesitant about the article title, since the City of Portland is the only source I've found that actually uses the term "Willamette Escarpment". Most sources seem to reference specific sections of the bluff – like Mocks Crest or Waud Bluff – or use a more general term like the "North Portland bluffs". "Willamette Escarpment" seems like the most encyclopedic way to refer to the entirety of the bluff, so I decided to go with that for now. Any input would be welcome. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:54, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

New article: Shroom House

• Shroom House

Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

AfD / PROD

AfD:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daily Dozen Doughnut Company (2)  Done-- ?? Closed as Keep but the article has been deleted? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 04:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

See [1]. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we had Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daily Dozen Doughnut Company (2nd nomination), and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 December 19 is ongoing. I've submitted a request to have the article history and talk page restored, but the request was denied at least until the deletion review discussion closes. We'll see what happens. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Content has been restored at Draft:Daily Dozen Doughnut Company. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bit House Saloon  Done
  • User:Grand'mere Eugene and I have nominated for Good article status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Acadia: A New Orleans Bistro  Done
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fenouil  Done
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bailey's Taproom  Done

• Nominated for Good article status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

• Promoted to Good article status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bluehour  Done
  • Nominated for Good article status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

• Promoted to Good article status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tilt (restaurant)  Done
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wildwood (restaurant)  Done
• Aviv (restaurant)  Done

PROD:

• Wildwood (restaurant)  Done
• Yonder (restaurant)  Done
  • (sigh) Anyone care to take a look at Yonder (restaurant) and its talk page re: recent changes? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Zefiro (restaurant)  Done

---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Discussion re: Bit House Saloon

A couple editors are drowning me in article deletion nominations. I don't blame other editors for not wanting to get involved, but if anyone has time and interest, over at Talk:Bit House Saloon, I'm trying to determine if the Bit House Saloon entry should continue to tell the story of Bit House Collective, or not. Perhaps there's a source which makes this very obvious but I'm struggling to dedicate enough time to this one entry when I'm also trying to "rescue" several others at the same time. Are any WikiProject Oregon members able to review sources about the business' "rebrand" and help determine if Bit House Saloon closed in 2021 and should be considered defunct, or if the business name changed and should be considered active? ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC) I found a couple of sources that seem to indicate the Saloon is defunct, and one indicating the Collective has been replaced by "newish" bar Swan Dive: Eclectic Cart Nacheaux Is Moving Into a Southeast Portland Kitchen — for Now. Quote: "Nacheaux chef and owner Anthony Brown is temporarily closing his cart to begin a residency at Swan Dive, the new-ish bar in the former Bit House Collective space" This one indicates the Saloon is the "former" bar: Breaking: New Island-Inspired Bar Will Offer Adult Capri Suns and Filipino Bar Snacks - Quote: "The bar will open at the former Bit House Saloon.." — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2022 (UTC) @Grand'mere Eugene This is very helpful, thank you. Though the question remains whether or not Bit House Collective content should be included on the Bit House Saloon article. I gather the people behind Collective are not the same as those behind the Saloon. Would you say this means the Saloon entry should end with the 2021 rebrand and not include any details about the Collective? I'm on the fence whether the "legacy" of Saloon means the article should include coverage of the Collective. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:26, 18 December 2022 (UTC) Since the new entity is "Swan Dive", I'd favor including both the Saloon and the Collective in a single article. Even tho the proprietorship is murky between the two, the website remained at the same domain after the Collective came in, so there seemed to be at least a cooperative spirit after the changeover. So I'd cover both in a single article, I think. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:57, 18 December 2022 (UTC) The article's looking much better! Thanks again for your help, User:Grand'mere Eugene! ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC) Thanks, it's been an adventure... — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

• I've added sources to Alexis Restaurant and Talk:Alexis Restaurant, if any editors would like to weigh in re: notability on the article's talk page. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
  • The tag has been removed. I'm currently working on Bluehour if any editors want to take a look. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

• I've added quite a few sources to Aviary (restaurant) and its talk page, too. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:14, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
• This is not an editorial issue; this is a conduct issue. I am not accusing anyone at this time but it is an error to nominate so much so quickly when there already is so much discussion about the same issues, and when Another Believer is commenting "Please leave me alone" on their talk page during a holiday season. If anyone wants to take up the conduct discussion then please ping me here! I will talk it through. I commented about this on all these AfDs. These articles are fine, or for anyone who disagrees and thinks they should be deleted, then the deletions can happen after spaced-out discussions at a slower pace. There is plenty to discuss here; this is not urgent to do quickly right now when the creator is asking for a break. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

  The editor is also selectively reverting comments on their talk page about their continued AFD nominations (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wildwood (restaurant), for example) that contradict their stated intention to desist from such nominations. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:15, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

• Expanded Wildwood some, but there’s a lot more especially the connection to local food movement. I’ll probably come back and add some local food book links after the notability storm has died down. The head chef's family is oyster farmers become Portland restaurateurs, which tickles my fancy. In fact I’m fairly sure Cory Schreiber, businessperson, author, chef, is independently notable. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:35, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

  I'm not even sure the nominator's googling topics before nominating. Quite frustrating. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:39, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Image requests: Grand'mere Eugene and I hope to co-nomination Bit House Saloon for Good article status in 2023. If anyone's able to take a new photograph of the building's exterior, or is aware of other freely-licensed images to help illustrate the entry, please let us know! Also, I'm hoping Arleta Library Bakery & Cafe can be illustrated if possible. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: The Oregonian

Too often in AfD discussions, I see The Oregonian dismissed as a "local" source. I understand many editors may not be familiar, but The Oregonian is the largest newspaper in Oregon and the second largest in the Pacific Northwest by circulation. WP:AUD is often cited in AfD discussions; do any editors know if there's a venue where we can have a discussion about whether or not The Oregonian counts as a regional publication? I'm tired of in-depth reviews being called "routine" local coverage, as if all restaurants in Portland/Oregon receive a similar amount of detailed coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

This argument should never have been made, here is no doubt that The Oregonian is not just a long-standing reputable source (the longest publishing paper west of SLC apparently) but definitely regional. I use it all the time in Puget Sound area- related articles specifically to show that a Seattle subject is of more than local notability. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Coverage in the NYT isn't enough to confirm notability of a Manhattan restaurant. Valereee (talk) 18:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Come now, there are 92 articles in Category:Defunct restaurants in New York City & a quick check turned up as few as three sources (Bowery Boogie?). Is this really about The Oregonian? ☆ Bri (talk) 20:14, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Three sources is actually plenty. What it takes to safely assert notability for a restaurant and bulletproof it from AfD is three good sources, sigcov in independent RS, and only one can be local or industry niche. The others need to be other than local/industry niche. Valereee (talk) 20:52, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

I've tagged Teany for needing more sources to support notability. It probably does have coverage somewhere since the owner is famous, but Bowery Boogie isn't proving it. Valereee (talk) 20:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Another Believer, I'm not really familiar with what goes on at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, but it might be a good place to ask the above question. If it is not the right venue, editors there may be able to point you to the right discussion board. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

No one is arguing that The Oregonian isn't reliable, of course it is. We're arguing that coverage of an Oregon restaurant in the Oregonian without coverage outside the area isn't sufficient to show notability. Valereee (talk) 19:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Valereee, I'm confused by your assertion that "coverage of an Oregon restaurant in the Oregonian without coverage outside the area isn't sufficient to show notability". WP:AUD says, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary. This indicates that a source's circulation and audience define whether it is local, regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international, rather than the coincident geographic locations of the article's subject and the newspaper. See Geographical scope and distribution. The Oregonian provides coverage, statewide and Pacific Northwest (southern Washington and northern California) and has both statewide circulation and audience. Also, Peteforsyth, how do you view this difference in our interpretations of "local" newspapers? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Grand'mere Eugene, I do understand that TO does cover a large area. That doesn't mean everything it covers is notable. If a restaurant is notable, it will get coverage outside its local area. Even though TO covers a large area, that doesn't mean everything it covers is automatically notable. If a restaurant TO covers 10 times is actually notable, someone from the LATimes of Chicago Tribune or fricking Dayton Daily News will notice, and write a story. Valereee (talk) 23:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Notability tags

• Arleta Library Bakery & Cafe
• Aviary (restaurant)
• Berbati's Pan  Done
• Bistro Agnes
• Wong's King  Done
  • I've expanded this article significantly and shared some additional sources on the article's talk page. I'm a bit confused about the restaurant's origins (established in 2004 but the Estacada location opened in 1998?), if any project members are interested in helping to clarify the text. Also, Wong's King has been reviewed by The Oregonian quite a few times, so I'm not exactly sure how to summarize so many detailed reviews. Ongoing discussions on the talk page if interested. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
• Yaw's Top Notch
• Zefiro (restaurant)
  • Sigh, someone added back the notability tag. Anyone care to take a look? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

In addition to Wong's King, I've added quite a few sources to Arleta Library Bakery & Cafe, Bistro Agnes, and Aviary (restaurant), if any project members wish to address the tags or participate in notability discussions on respective talk pages. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:19, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Portland Korean Church

Anyone able to take some photographs of the fire-damaged structure? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Acadia: A New Orleans Bistro

User:The Banner continues to interfere with articles I've worked on, such as removing sourced details and adding notability tags with no solutions for resolving. For examples, see Acadia: A New Orleans Bistro and Zach's Shack. Can another project member pleas take a look? Let the record show, I've asked this editor to leave me alone, multiple times. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Request for article assessment

Wiki-Oregon teammates, new article on Nathaniel H. Gates needs assessment. There is approved DYK hook highlighting that article which will be published on Wikipedia’s main page sometime in next week or so. Nathaniel Gates was Speaker of Oregon’s Territorial House of Representatives in 1858-59 … the last session of the territorial legislature prior to Oregon’s statehood. I would really appreciate experienced Wiki-Oregon editor doing assessment of Gates article before DYK is posted on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 00:59, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I gave the article a copy-edit. Thanks for the detailed article! – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks you both!--Orygun (talk) 08:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Oregonian archives

Is there a way to access the archives of the Oregonian for free? I seem to remember being able to in the past, but now I'm hitting a paywall. gobonobo ^{+ c} 17:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

They are available through the Multnomah County Library, which offers the full Oregonian and Oregon Journal through NewsBank (among other titles). SounderBruce 02:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Gobonobo: A couple caveats...the Oregonian (like some other media companies) now has "subscriber exclusives" they publish online, and as far as I know these don't get picked up by the library service. Also, if you happen to be looking for older articles, you might find them here. (Apart from a few specific articles by Robert E. Mahaffey in 1948, all contents of the Oregonian prior to 1964 are in the public domain. [2]) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

That's helpful. Thank you both. gobonobo ^{+ c} 14:14, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Oregon Forest Resources Institute

I want to highlight Oregon Forest Resources Institute and its talk page. The article is out of date and could use attention, though a COI-connected editor believes it's an attack page. It needs more time and attention. I'm not putting it here to canvass or lobby for my POV on it, it truly needs updating. tedder (talk) 19:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I have conflict of interest as an employee of the Institute and so cannot make edits myself, but it appears that the last time significant revisions were made to the Oregon Forest Resources Institute article was in June of 2021 and it is in need of being updated and could be written more neutrally. There appears to be a lot selective use of details from unfavorable media coverage. Would like to see someone with a neutral viewpoint put some time and attention into it. My suggested edits and citations can be found in the talk page. Thank you. Jane at OFRI (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

New article for improvement/Women in Red list?

Hello! Long(ish) time Wikipedian here from Oregon, but new to the Oregon-related-editing scene. I just created a page for Salem's Willie Richardson but think it could be good for it to get listed on some sort of "Women in Red" list for Oregon, if that exists? I didn't have time to put as much info in the article as I could have. I know a lot of edit-a-thons will be working on pages about women on March 8 coming up, so I figured worth flagging to this community in case one exists within Oregon focused on Oregonians themselves. While I'm here might as well also flag that Oregon Black Pioneers page could use a spruce-up. Jackie.salzinger (talk) 11:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Purrington's at AfD

Purrington's Cat Lounge is at AfD is any project members want to weigh in:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Purrington's Cat Lounge

---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Portland

DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Portland has been nominated for deletion, if any project members care to weigh in. Also, there's a discrepancy regarding the opening date (1959 vs 1961) if anyone wants to help solve. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

According to this 2017 Oregonian article, "it played a crucial role in the development of Portland's eastside when it first opened in 1959 as the Sheraton-Portland". — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Definitive date 28 Sep 1959. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Also see this 1959 clipping. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I've made sure all of these are used as citations. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

+ Hotel Rose + AC Hotel Portland Downtown ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

These nominations have been withdrawn. Several additional restaurant articles have been tagged or nominated for deletion, though, including Bombay Cricket Club, Genoa (restaurant), and Shut Up and Eat. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:28, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

+ Lucier (restaurant). The Portland restaurant saga continues... By the way, if anyone has time to search the web for freely-licensed images of these establishments, that'd be a huge help! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for Hanford Site

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Hanford Site/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Article assessment request

Request assessment on new William H. Steiwer article. Steiwer was rancher, banker, and President of Oregon Senate in 1940s. There is approved DYK bullet which will be published on Wikipedia’s main page on/about 8 Feb. Would like to have experienced Wiki-Oregon editor do quality/importance assessment before DYK is published. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

• Assessed B-level on 10 Feb...thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Article assessment request

Request assessment of new John C. Carson article. Carson was Portland businessman and President of Oregon Senate in 1880s. DYK bullet was just approved for publication on Wikipedia’s main page. Not sure when that will happen, but would appreciate experienced Wiki-Oregon editor doing quality/importance assessment before article is highlighted on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Sprudge

Sprudge has been nominated for deletion, if any project members want to weigh in:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sprudge

---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Oregon Forest Resources Institute

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

The Oregon Forest Resources Institute (OFRI) article describes it incorrectly at the top of the article as a "forestry trade association" and "de facto lobbying organization.” The Oregon Forest Resources Institute is neither. It’s a state agency that supports Oregon’s forest products industry through forest education programs for the public, K-12 teachers and students, and forest landowners. This article appears to be written as an attack on OFRI from detractors of the Institute. I represent OFRI and therefore have a conflict of interest, but I believe the most recent editors of the page have a conflict of interest as well and have been citing selective details from several-years-old media coverage of the agency to paint it in a negative light. Jane at OFRI (talk) 23:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Jane at OFRI: When requesting help from WP editors, it's probably bad strategy to cast asparagus (as one of my students once wrote) on the motives of the people here who are all volunteers, working under Wikipedia's policies requiring us to use verifiable, independent, reliable sources. Nevertheless, I've listed some resources on the article's talk page for anyone else interested in updating this article. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 16:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Jane at OFRI: Please do not create a second version of the same discussion. The best venue for this discussion is at Talk:Oregon Forest Resources Institute, where many of your concerns have been addressed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:16, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

More restaurants at AFD

It never ends...

• Bipartisan Cafe KEPT
• Dockside Saloon and Restaurant KEPT
• Horse Brass Pub KEPT
• Skyline Restaurant
• Spella Caffè KEPT
• Twisted Croissant KEPT

---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

BTW, Dockside Saloon and Restaurant is unillustrated if anyone's able to take a photo. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Killing of Victor Mejia Poot

Victor Mejia Poot's killing at the hands of police at a medical facility in 2001(?) drew widespread media attention, most notably from the then-new Portland Tribune. (I was working there, but not in the newsroom, at the time.) I'm not sure where those early issues are archived, but I can probably track them down. This is an article that should exist. Here's one source from a quick search.

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

The Oregonian and NCORP

Project members may be interested in this discussion re: The Oregonian and WP:NCORP:

• Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#NCORP_and_The_Oregonian

---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:31, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Jefferson Smith deletions

A few months back Hotpotato75 removed several claims from the 2012 Portland Mayoral Campaign controversies section because "citations do not support claims." That simply wasn't true. The citations clearly supported the claims, though at least one of the links was broken so I updated the urls + access dates, restored the removed material, and posted an update on the Talk page.

All that said, it does seem that this section is too detailed and could be trimmed back. (And I say this as the editor who added much of the mayoral campaign material back in 2015.) Would appreciate if others could take a look. NASAvegas (talk) 18:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Assessment request

Teammates, can I get one of our experienced Wiki-Oregon editors to assess a new article on Gus C. Moser? He was Portland attorney and legislator who served 5 terms in state senate including two non-consecutive terms as president of Oregon senate, 1917-18 and 1925-26. He was also acting governor for a week in 1926. DYK nomination is approved and will be published on Wikipedia’s main page sometime soon. I’d really appreciate someone from Wiki-Oregon doing assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 06:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Too early... I stumbled a bit adding a category and then some other Wikiprojects, but finally assessed this very good piece with Rater, a "B" article. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 14:05, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Image request for Block 216

Anyone able to upload newer photos of Block 216? BTW, a grand opening has been scheduled. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I can try to do this! I'll probably try to shoot it from Big Pink, though my camera sucks. Steven Walling • talk 05:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Steven! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:02, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Vecepia Towery nominated for deletion

The article about Vecepia Towery is nominated for deletion. Your input there is welcome. George Ho (talk) 07:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Alexis Restaurant

Wanted: Photos for Alexis Restaurant, which has been nominated for deletion, if any project members are interested in helping out or weighing in at AfD. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion

Move discussion at Talk:O'Bryant Square ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Tin Shed Garden Cafe

Tin Shed Garden Cafe has been nominated for deletion, if any project members care to weigh in on the ongoing discussion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Drag-a-thon

Fingers crossed the Drag-a-thon is successful at setting a new record! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

oof, that went from grateful to removal request real quick... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Credibility bot

As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 17:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Harej: looks worth getting to know this tool! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Mark Kroeker

There's no page for Mark Kroeker. I went through and redlinked all his mentions. Aside from his LA and PDX history, he won an award? he started a transplant fund? Anyhow, thought others might be interested. tedder (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

A quick look shows that he's probably going to have enough third-party coverage over enough different events to at least merit a stub per WP:BASIC; some examples are here, here, and of course the drama around his resignation. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 02:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Redlinked one myself, I hadn't realized that his performance at the Kendra James forum was seen as the final straw in his time in Portland. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:59, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Treasure Valley Reload Center

I started an article on the TVRC, a planned facility on the Idaho border that drawn $26m stats funds, as well as local and federal funds, and has been plagued by financial and permitting issues, resignation of project manager, withdrawal of planned operator. Seems well worth some attention, would appreciate more eyes on this, and any effort to help expand it. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

GladRags notability

This article has been the subject of two AfD and it was deleted in 2009. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/GladRags_(2nd_nomination) It was "no consensus" in the first AfD, but it was CSD for promo before that. @Tedder, Orangemike, and Brossow:, as a participant to the 2nd AfD, do you people feel GladRags have grown notability enough to stand on its own under NCORP since 2009? I wanted to get some idea before considering AfD. Graywalls (talk) 09:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Assessment request

Teammates, can I get experienced Wiki-Oregon editors to assess article on William T. Vinton. Vinton was president of the Oregon State Senate from 1919 through 1920. The DYK bullet on this article was approved rather quickly and has now moved to the DYK prep area. It will probably be posted on Wikipedia’s main page sometime around 24 Aug. I’d really like someone from WikiProject Oregon to do assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 17:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Nice work! Assessing as B class, looks like a good candidate to propose for Good Article status if you're so inclined. I see you have a DYK in the works...it's a great hook! I did notice, this is the paternal grandfather of Will Vinton, an interesting connection that wasn't noted in either article. I'm looking for an elegant way to source that...I think it's maybe somewhat overlooked because William T. Vinton died two years before Will's birth, so his obituaries don't mention the existence of a grandson. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 01:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

I have nominated Voluntary Human Extinction Movement for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 03:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Help identifying a lumpy rock?

So, maybe you've noticed some new aerial photos getting posted...here's one of a rocky protrusion (a mountain? Who knows?) in eastern Oregon. Can you help identify it? It's taken frum near Juntura, Oregon, facing roughly north. If I had to guess I'd say it's maybe in the Castle Rock Wilderness Study Area or Beaver Dam Creek Wilderness Study Area.

(Oh look, more redlinks :)

And...if there are articles that need photos along these lines, maybe give me or User:Tedder a nudge... Pete Forsyth (talk) 01:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pete! Interesting puzzle. I always enjoy thinking about these kinds of things. I notice a road south of the peak you're wondering about, running across the image. I notice a valley south of that road, which roughly parallels the road, and looks to drain west into a less incised valley in the bottom left of the image. Then of course there's the cliff from the main summit…

If instead of facing north, you were facing west, this all looks like it could be Castle Rock WSA. My other guesses in the region are Black Butte (west-southwest of Juntura), and Sheep Rock (just outside of the western extremities of the Beaver Dam Creek WSA you mentioned). So obviously it really depends which direction you were from Juntura and how far. Hope this helps. Jsayre64 (talk) 19:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Jsayre64: We were almost directly above Juntura, and pointing the camera somewhere between an WNW and NNE...probably right about the middle of that range. I have used your excellent observations to further revisit this on Google Earth, but still no luck! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Then maybe it was Petes Mountain! I didn't have hardly any luck on Google Earth either, but I like to use Gaia GPS, which has a very well labeled topographic map. See if you can view it here [3]. Jsayre64 (talk) 03:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Looking east to Castle Rock

I was in the area again and I think it's Castle Rock. Here's the Google Earth view of it, here are four pics of it looking NW, N, and NE. tedder (talk) 16:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Nice work. I think you found it. The "04" view, which looks like it is looking west, is diagnostic. If you had a view looking more to the southwest and from a slightly lower elevation, like this Google Earth view, I think it would match nicely with the original "Rock protrusion in eastern Oregon 03" image. You get the dirt road going across from left to right, and the brown patches also going left to right a few hundred feet below the ridge. The Google Earth view doesn't really show the rock itself, but that could be an artifact of remote imaging. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Photo request for Miss Delta

Photo request: Miss Delta ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Assessment request

Hello Oregon teammates, can I get experienced Wiki-Oregon editors to assess new article on Roy W. Ritner. Ritner was president of the Oregon State Senate from 1921 through 1922. The DYK hook on this article was recently approved and will probably be posted on Wikipedia’s main page sometime around 8 October. I’d really like someone from WikiProject Oregon to do assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Super work, as usual! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:56, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 05:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Zupan's

Zupan's Markets is at AfD, if any project members care to weigh in:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zupan's Markets

---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Congress Hotel (Portland, Oregon)

Congress Hotel (Portland, Oregon) has been nominated for deletion, if any project members want to participate in the ongoing discussion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Eyes on the Cylvia Hayes article

Looks like there are some issues here. The thing she's most known for in Oregon is not mentioned in the lead section, and there's a whole lot of external links in the text. I'm not going to be able to dig in in the immediate future. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Yikes, a SPA doing reputation management/PR. I attempted to revert and welcome the user, Graywalls fixed my incomplete revert. tedder (talk) 20:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

The COI on this article made it to Willamette Week. They don't have a connection between User:AgilityQueen and Cylvia or Cylvia's PR, but note her website talks about her dog training, "a self-confessed agility-holic". tedder (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I've added the Press template to the top of the article's talk page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I was about to look for that template, but it would have taken me a long time to find it! tedder (talk) 19:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Ugh. The article has been restored to its pre-COI-edit state, which is good. Some improvements may have been reverted in the process. I did a quick run through that article to improve the grammar and remove some trivia and puffery. It could use some more attention if anyone is willing. Now I'm going to wash my hands.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Good work folks. This article has been subject to apparently COI edits for years. Valfontis (talk) 14:31, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Literary Arts, Inc.

Back by popular demand. I once made a redirect from Literary Arts, Inc. to the Oregon Book Award and the redir eventually ended up as an ("my") abandoned draft, about which I was notified today. Redirects are weird. Anyway, is it ready for primetime? If anyone has a minute to see if it's good for a standalone article, please move it into mainspace or if not, restore the redirect.

On a personal note, I've returned to College and my major is totally in line with my interests here, and I have access to all the databases, so hit me up for distracting research projects or just drop me line. I promise I will only be mucking about in a student-y way in collaborative open source projects that aren't Wikipedia.

Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 14:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Congrats to the return-to-student mode! The draft doesn't look ready to me. I'll make the redir for now. tedder (talk) 17:08, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Hadleyville, Oregon maybe DYK

Here's another tiny article on a tiny place. I have just about exhausted all my resources and patience for finding encyclopedic bits and need to move on. There was a neighborly stabbing and the shooting death of a ne'er-do-well younger brother of the Hon. Mr. Hadley, but that's alas either trivia or original research.

However. I learned at the 11th hour that Hadleyville was clamoring for an extension of the Oregon Electric in the 1930s. I can't find anything on when the effort ended (probably circa 1934) but if you look on newspapers.com under Valfontis, amongst all the other bits and bobs are some clips about the proposed rail extension. There might be enough words with the addition of the rail info to make a nice DYK, if there are any bored railfans about.

P.S. Other mysteries include the need for RSs on the last location of the post office (likely the source of the GNIS coords), and the fact the Hadley House served as a stage stop (only source is real estate listings). Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 21:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey, the above post got inadvertently deleted? If I did something offensive or the rules have changed, please drop me a note on my talk page. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)