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Google Graph

can anyone tell me how to get google graph ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul rehman.malik10 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Abdul rehman.malik10. You are probably talking about Google's Knowledge Graph, which are automated summaries of online information about various topics. Although much of this information (though less often the photos) comes from Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia has no control of this content, and our human editors are not responsible when Google's bots screw up, as they do quite frequently. You get these by using the Google search engine. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this fair use? Uploading university logo/wordmark image for bottom of infobox

Hi all,

I noticed that many universities have two logo images in their infobox: a circular logo at the top, and a wordmark at the bottom. See the below examples of different types of wordmarks:

1. Beijing Normal University has a simple Chinese-language wordmark in Chinese calligraphy.
2. Peking University has a wordmark combining Chinese calligraphy and the name of the university.
3. Tsinghua University (and Harvard University) have more complex images which combine a circular logo and name.
4. University of Tehran has a fancy graphic wordmark with a color background.

Since wordmarks often form a core part of a university's online identity, I would like to add these types of wordmark images to universities whose infoboxes do not have them. If I were to upload a wordmark image from a university website for one-time use in the infobox, would that be considered fair use? Are all 4 different levels of complexity (examples of each above) acceptable or only the more simple ones? Thank you for your guidance!

~ChiyuZongzi (talk) 19:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

First, we care little that wordmarks (...) form a core part of a university's online identity - we are not here to promote universities. However, showing the logo does have encyclopedic value, so we usually do it.
Second, one consideration is whether the logos are copyrighted. "Non-fancy" logos are usually not eligible for copyright. See for instance (from your examples) File:Peking University seal.svg which points to commons:Commons:Threshold_of_originality.
Third, when the logo is copyrighted (probably the most common case), fair use is not enough; Wikipedia's mission being to provide free information (as in free speech, not as in free beer), thus we only use non-reusable content when we really need it. The details are at WP:NFCC. Logos pretty much always qualify, as long as they are uploaded in low resolution and used only in the article about the university (NFCC #3), but you need to fill out the non-fair-use rationale when uploading them. See also WP:LOGO.
Also, non-free images should never be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, but only "locally" on en-wp i.e. at Special:Upload. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Font size -- not an editing question.

I use Wikipedia on an iPad Pro. My vision is not what it was when I was younger. I'd like to know whether there is a way to enlarge the size of the font that appears on the page so as to make reading a bit easier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenej12 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Greenej12. Questions not having to do with editing Wikipedia should be asked at the WP:Reference desk. John from Idegon (talk) 03:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Greetings Greenej12. I have the exact same problem. On my laptop I use the Chrome browser and when I need to see the text enlarged I use the keyboard short cut Cntrl+ Editing is easier for me when I use bigger fonts. Good luck with editing and adding to the encyclopedia. If you have other questions, you are invited to come back to the Teahouse. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Taxon box colors?

Hi all, can someone help me understand the rhyme and reason behind the taxon box colors, specifically related to algae? For example, I am trying to write an article an a species of algae, and I was using Macrocystis pyrifera as a model, which has a lime green color box. However the Nereocystis article has a lavender colored box. both articles list different kingdoms; the correct one is chromista, but when i try to use chromista as the kingdom it uses a red outline instead of either. how do the colors work and how do i use the correct ones? the article i'm working on is located here User:Basilosauridae/sandbox/Dictyota binghamiae †Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 03:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Basilosauridae and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you'll find all you need at Template:Taxobox colour. --ColinFine (talk) 08:09, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! †Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 13:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Basilosauridae:! I suggest using the automatic taxoboxes and not have to worry about the nitty gritty. Check out Template:Speciesbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). I have already checked that the corresponding taxonomy templates are set up. Thanks for helping out on algae! --Nessie (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Minor edit not available on mobile?

I've been doing most of my web browsing on my smartphone for nearly a year now. The lack of a "This is a minor edit" box has stopped me from correcting minor errors in Wikipedia as I come across them. I am logged in, but as far as I can see neither the Wikipedia app nor Wikipedia edit pages in my mobile browser include this checkbox, unless I switch to Desktop view. The annoyance of editing in Desktop then changing back, until the next edit, or the friction from putting off the fix until someday when I might have more time to fiddle with this, mean most of the kind of cleanup and quick fixes I used to provide, don't happen anymore. If this problem is deterring other editors too, it seems a high price to pay for a simplified mobile display!

Is there any way to enable or access the "minor edit" checkbox when editing with iOS app or mobile version of Wikipedia? Egmonster (talk) 02:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Egmonster. I do the vast majority of my editing using Android smartphones. I am talking about tens of thousands of edits, writing and expanding hundreds of articles, and carrying out various technical tasks as an administrator. I almost always use the fully-functional desktop site on my smartphone, and I suggest that you do the same. You may find my essay on Smartphone editing to be of interest. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I second that, Jim. I edit almost exclusively thru a rather small smartphone. Have yet to find any app either, in house or outside that holds a candle to simply accessing Wikipedia via a web browser (Chrome) and selecting the desktop option at the bottom of the page. I keep my watchlist, preselected to desktop, as a shortcut on my phone's screen, and any page I access via it or even with it open in another tab automatically comes up in the desktop version. Altho tasks involving extensive cut and paste are a bit tedious, there is nothing I can do on a desktop or laptop computer that I cannot do on my phone. John from Idegon (talk) 07:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, both of you. I'll go for the desktop site from now on when I see something that needs a touch-up.
The essay is indeed interesting, Cullen328, and I've bookmarked it. I'm with you on the perks of mobile computing: no longer am I tied to the chilliest corner of the house, where all the plugins are! I'd like to add my name to the category as an iPhone editor, but I have no experience with categories so I need instructions, I'm afraid. Then, FYI, a little farther down in the essay's Recommendations, there's a sentence that seems cut off, in the Best Practices bullet point. It ends, "editing in wikicode and with the ."
How would you suggest I join with others who request specific improvements from those who code the mobile site and app? Enabling the Minor Edit box could remove a lot of the friction from my and probably others' experience. I'd also like to put in a word for that missing Forward button in the app. Egmonster (talk) 07:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I'll chime in here with a different perspective. I never designate an edit as minor. The reason for this is that I've seen other editors severely criticized for mismarking an edit as minor when the disgruntled editor thinks it is major. I've even seen this conflict come up at ANI and used against an editor who mismarked an edit as minor. Practically speaking, a minor edit probably is indicated with very few characters removed or added-but not always. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Creating an Article - Is it Worth My Time?

Hello,

I was wondering if it was worth my time publishing an article about Muscle Food Ltd, they are in the online grocery industry and supply food and supplement products. Similar companies like HelloFresh, Myprotein and Gousto have articles written on them - I thought I would raise the question. Thank you kindly,

Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomewilkinson (talk • contribs) 11:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

My personal opinion is that the articles for Gusto and Myprotein are inadequate, and should either be deleted or radically rewritten. (Gousto has poor referencing, Myprotein has become a very different company.) The article on HelloFresh is a better example of what to aspire to. Goal is neutral point of view (NPOV). If you have any connection whatsoever to Muscle Food Ltd - paid or unpaid - need to understand disclosure requirements. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Tomewilkinson: Adding to what David notMD says above, it's only worth trying to write an article about Muscle Food Ltd if you're confident it will meet our Notability Criteria for Organisations and Companies. In essence, you'd need to ignore own websites, PR statements and advertising gumf, and seek out detailed, in-depth coverage in the media which demonstrates that independent sources have taken note and written about that company. I haven't checked, but somehow I suspect they haven't. As David also says, (and looking at this LinkedIn page I think you would very definitely need to declare your involvement with the company (and thus Conflict of Interest in editing), and you would have to declare that connection according to this policy: WP:PAID. We strongly advise everyone not to try to edit pages on organisations they're associated with, as it usually ends in tears. It's really great that you came here to ask first - thank you- but I do think you would indeed be wasting your time trying to promote your company via Wikipedia - there are many other more effective means. Regards from Derbyshire, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I have an idea for an article

So I had submitted for an article a while back, but it was declined for its lack of notability. I have simplified the article now and though it may be a stub, I believe it still meets the requirements of being a proper Wikipedia article. I was wondering how I can get it submitted again.

Vlogerkid555 (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this about Draft:The Brobecks? Maproom (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, bandcruft. I miss the old days. Guy (Help!) 21:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for leaving this message in the Teahouse, Vlogerkid555. If this message is about the draft described above, it may even end up being deleted from your draft space. The two references you supplied to support the content are not good enough to support the notability of the band. This might be helpful: Wikipedia:Notability (music). Not every band gets a Wikipedia article and the encyclopedia is not a marketing platform. Despite this 'bad' news, you are invited to contribute content and enjoy adding new information that adds to the sum of knowledge. Best Regards and Good luck. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 14:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

RefList--how to correct spelling errors

In Belle Kinney Slater's page, the refs contain several typos of "Kinney." How can I access the RefList to correct these typos? Thanks & Regards from Nashville, CatonMA2 (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I assume you mean Belle Kinney Scholz. The references that are assembled in the Reflist generally are distributed throughout the article itself. Try editing the article and searching for the misspelling(s). However, note that if the source misspells the name, the reference should faithfully reflect that. General Ization Talk 17:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


Protected page Neerali editing

Please help editing protected page ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Neerali&action=edit&section=14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neerali

Sameershan (talk) 20:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Note I've removed the copy-pasted page contents. The link to the section the user is referring to is here. This inquiry has also been posted at the Help Desk. --HunterM267 talk 20:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Biography Page

I am still waiting for my account to become fully active. Is there a way to submit something to the editors during this probationary period or do I need to wait? I created this account to post the biography of a well known Harvard Professor. Everything is prepared, just need to upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReichM (talk • contribs) 21:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi ReichM, welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you mean you are waiting for your account to be autoconfirmed. You can submit a draft at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Twisted Cyclone

I have a question related to the article on the Twisted Cyclone roller coaster at Six Flags over Georgia. I read the article and it is pitifully short to ther roller coaster articles. I tried to add a new section about its layout. The problem is I don't know how to add a new section in any article. Can someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclone of Foxes (talk • contribs)

Hello, Cyclone of Foxes, welcome to the Teahouse. Adding a new section is actually very simple. You can read more at Help:Sections. But, in source editor, on a new line just type two equals characters, then your section title, followed by two more equals signs. Then just preview to check if it looks OK. In Visual Editor there's a drop down box to let you select the level of the section you want. Does this help? (Oh, and do please remember to sign your posts with four tildes, like this:~~~~. It saves us all a lot of effort in trying to work out who to reply to.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll try that... Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 23:15, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

How to track an tropical cyclone

I like to project a tropical cyclone and above, as I do a trajectory of a tropical cyclone, a hurricane or a typhoon. Show me a tutorial or something. --Ikeone 00:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikeuno (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ikeuno. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, please try the Reference desks. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I need help deleting pictures

There seems to be a problem with the upload routines of this site. I have uploaded two pictures that get corrupted 1/3 to 1/2 of the way through. Here is the URL of one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Danny_with_Michael_Coteau.jpg I have tried to delete, I have tried to over write but still these errors persist. Who do I have to beat up to get these images deleted? FredLuchetti (talk) 02:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi FredLuchetti, welcome to the Teahouse. Your uploads are cut off after exactly 5 MB. I have seen it happen for two other users. I posted to commons:Commons:Village pump/Archive/2018/06#Uploads cut off at 5 MB but there were no useful replies. Do you have a link saying "Upload a new version of this file" at the Commons file pages commons:File:Danny with Michael Coteau.jpg and commons:File:DDwithMC.jpg? Can you upload files above 5 MB there? If not then can you upload smaller versions? You may also be able to start uploads above 5 MB at the Upload file link in the left pane. All three affected users appear to have started the upload from a toolbar. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I am still learning all this. It seems rather byzantine to me. Why not just tell me that I hit a 5MB limit instead of letting a picture like that one stand in eternity without any hope of ever seeing a trash can???FredLuchetti (talk) 02:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

What is completely infuriating about this is that I have a really good camera. The minute I take a photo into Photoshop to size it down it strips all the Meta Information out and Wiki does not believe the picture is mine any more. Seriously how does everyone else deal with this?FredLuchetti (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@FredLuchetti: Users can usually upload files up to 100 MB with no problems. I gave you options to try but cannot say what will work for you. Commons files can only be deleted by Commons administrators. I'm an administrator here at the English Wikipedia but not at Commons. You may have a "Nominate for deletion" link in the left pane at the Commons file pages but I suggest you try "Upload a new version of this file" first. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Request for new article

Hello, I would like to ask someone to please write an article on the ex-navy diver Saman Kunan who lost his life during the Tham Luang rescue attempt. I was shocked to discover that his name was not even listed in recent deaths. Thanking you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndieFinn888 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

it is a redirection already Accesscrawl (talk) 07:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft article not published yet?

Hi,

I have created a draft article with reference links. I am not able to see that article published in Wikipedia?

when will it get published?

I have more references to the article which are in pdf format. how do I submit it?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojshah director (talk • contribs) 10:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Manojshah director, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you are making a very common mistake, in thinking that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with promoting yourself. Writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged in Wikipedia. If there is an article about you, it should not be written by you (or by anybody associated with you), and it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish in reliable places. At present your draft has only three references, and all of them are based on interviews with you. Put baldly, Wikipedia is simply not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have written about it. For further information, beside link I gave above, please look at notability, and at biographies of living people. --ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


hi, I am not self publishing. But i am trying to publish about a living person who is doing a great work. Additionally, i have lot of printed article and references from a reputed sources but they are not available online. how do I reference them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojshah director (talk • contribs) 10:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Manojshah director. I'm sorry, I assumed you were Shah, from your username. In that case you should change it: see WP:CHU. If you are in any way connected with Shah you should read WP:COI before editing further about him. Sources don't have to be online, as long as they are published, and you give enough information that a reader can in principle find them (eg through a large library). See referencing for beginners. Please sign your contributions at talk pages like this one, by typing four tildes (~~~~) --ColinFine (talk) 12:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Help with getting back into Wikipedia

I spent some time creating a page Elizabeth Clark (author) with 3 images which I understood were in line with commons rules. In May I received a message saying one was not OK and questioning others. I responded immediately with an email giving permission for the one that was the main cause of complaint. I have emailed permissions-commons repeatedly and received no response. I put in a request for an undeletion that just disappeared off the top of the list. Could somebody please help. Any response would be a step forward.Pogga D (talk) 10:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Pogga D. Commons is a separate project with separate admins and its own Help desk. I suggest you ask at commons:Commons:Help desk. --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

NET NEUTRALITY BLACKOUT

We should black out in response to the net neutrality repeal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DÆmÖN MUNDANE++ (talk • contribs) 07:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@DÆmÖN MUNDANE++ There have been several proposals at Village_pump_(proposals) to put up a banner or similar actions in response to recent net neutrality developments. I think there is a general consensus on en-wiki to avoid advocacy with regards to net neutrality and I think it is too soon since the last proposal to propose it again. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi DÆmÖN MUNDANE++. Wikipedia has a long history of remaining neutral in regards to its articles, therefore it would be advisable to remain neutral for controversial topics such as net neutrality. Let's remember that Wikipedia is made up of a diverse group of editors who may hold strongly to one opinion or another including such divisive topics such as this one and it would be wise not to alienate those we may disagree with. We're here to build an encyclopedia and work together cohesively, that is our goal. Best wishes. Coryphantha Talk 13:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I want know to that being related to some one who have Wikipedia page make other one as notable ??

I want know to that being related to some one who have Wikipedia page make other one as notable ?? i just found this article it sounds like Promotional of the singer and son of singer Ustaad Kuldeep Mana does't make it notable- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yudhvir_ManakRiblitoje (talk) 13:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

No, Riblitoje: notability is not inherited (WP:INHERIT). I see somebody has now deleted that article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Kindly help me to understand this issue

i am eager to know that this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabar_Koti was nominated for deletion on January 22 2011 and The result of the discussion was delete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sabar_Koti but why it is still live while it Fails WP:MUSIC & i have doubt on User:GSS who created this may be for paid editor and keeping the page live, because his second page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yudhvir_Manak&action=edit&redlink=1 recently deleted due to promotional & non notable. He have also moved may pages & many of them still are non notable https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&action=view&user=GSS&type=move i think he is playing money game behind his white work (contribution) & and miss-using his user rights Act345 (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello GSS. The article will eventually disappear. Thanks on the heads up on what may be paid editing. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 18:40, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hello Act345 and welcome to the Teahouse.
A deleted page can nevertheless be created again if enough sources are found to establish notability. That has happened in this case. The page was proposed for deletion with a PROD, but GSS is permitted to remove that nomination (as is anyone else). To pursue the issue of NMUSIC notability, you can discuss on the article's talk page and, if still not satisfied, you can nominate for WP:articles for deletion, which will likely bring more editors' attention to the issues.
Your additional suspicions and allegations against GSS appear to run very close to violating the principle of assume good faith. If you had a serious case for conflict of interest editing, you should take it to the appropriate noticeboard: WP:COIN. The Teahouse is not the right venue for bringing this up. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 18:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Moving a page from sandbox to be publicly visible

Hi, I've created a page in sandbox. Would appreciate if I can be guided on how to get it into a public/open edit space. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyas1004 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Priyas1004, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are two practical things you can do. One is to move the page to main article space yourself; but if you do so, and the consensus is that the article is not satisfactory, it risks being deleted. A safer, but slower, way is to submit it for review: if you add the template {{subst:submit}} (exactly as I've put it, with the double curly brackets) at the top of the text. That will put it in a queue for review, and when a reviewer gets to it, they will either accept it and move it to main article space, or decline it and explain why they think it is not acceptable.
I would strongly advise you not to move it yourself in its current condition; I have not done a full review, but the problems I see with it at present are:
  • The main one is a lack of reliable independent sources. You may not use Wikipedia itself as a source: being user-edited it is not regarded as reliable (see WP:CIRCULAR). The items you have referenced to Wikipedia should however be wikilinked. The other sources you have given do not even mention Chaudhury. These means that you have not given one single source - reliable or not - which support anything you have said about Chaudhury. An article should be based entirely on reliably published information, and mostly on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write about the subject. You need some reliable sources such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers, which talk about Chaudhury himself in some depth, or there cannot be an article (see GNG).
  • There is quite a bit of non-neutral language in the draft (see WP:NPOV). No Wikipedia article should ever describe a subject, in Wikipedia's voice, as "acclaimed", "leading", or "of significance", or say that something "made its mark in the literary world".
  • There are some less important matters such as formatting headers, and the fact that there are far too many tables of what he has done. That is not what a Wikipedia article should be about: it should be mostly what people have said about him.
My guess is that Chaudhury does meet the requirements for notability (in the special way that Wikipedia uses the word), and so there can be an article about him; but that this is not it, and cannot be easily turned into it. To write an article about him, I believe it will be necessary to start again from the beginning. Start by finding places where people who have no connection with him have written about him at some length, and base the article entirely on those.
If you haven't already done so, I recommend you study Your first article. Writing a new Wikipedia article is hard: you have got some things right, but unfortunately I think the more important points (reliable sources, and neutral languages) are not the ones you have spent any effort on so far. --ColinFine (talk) 08:59, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Onto a similar point, what does and doesn't count as satisfactory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclone of Foxes (talk • contribs) 18:52, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit: Andrea Grobocopatel

thanks in advance for your time and help. I'm new and inexperienced but am very interested in being able to participate.

my first attempt to submit an article on Andrea Grobocaptel, important business woman in Argentina and former co-chair of the w20, amoung other roles, was rejected due to lack of references. I then re submitted the piece with more extensive information and a long list of references taken from national and international publications. I cannot see my draft and have heard nothing back from reviewers yet. I re submitted a few months ago. Any ideas on how I can follow this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akinjessie (talk • contribs) 19:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Akinjessie, welcome to our Teahouse. It doesn't look to have been resubmitted for review since you last edited it in May. Maybe you should hit the big blue 'resubmit' button again? I have just looked at Draft:Andrea Grobocopatel, and tidied up the spacing of the references a bit for you. Many of these are bare urls, and it might be good to make them all into proper references, citing publication, date, author, title etc. My Spanish is pretty poor, so I'm not sure whether you have found enough independent sources to show how she meets our notability criteria, but you should perhaps give it another try. I have added a 'citation needed' tag to show where it would also help to support the statements you made about her advisory board roles. Hope this helps a bit. (Oh, and do please remember to sign your talk posts with four tildes (like this: ~~~~). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Dalmada,Limpopo Province, South Africa

I have something on my chest, see if live in Dalmada which is an area situated in Polokwane on the R71. When I grew up most of the elders here would tell stories of how Dalmada came to be. I feel sad when wiki searching Dalmada and not finding anything about it,so how do I introduce Wikipedia to Dalmada and how many pictures are allowed in an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benny Mabale (talk • contribs) 21:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome Benny Mabale! Your enthusiasm is wonderful. We would love to have you create content on this topic. Content used in Wikipedia has to come from other sources other than yourself. Start here: Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. If you need help in coming up with your article, come back for another visit to the Tearoom or contact me on my talk page. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 21:52, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Benny. Dalmada does look to be a very small geographic area, but we do have other pages on equally small ones. Here are a couple of links that you could use in a new article: a) Google maps b) Land battle. Whilst there is no rule dictating the number of images that an article can contain, they must be used sensibly. This quote may help: "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. They are often an important illustrative aid to understanding. When possible, try to find better images and improve captions instead of simply removing poor or inappropriate ones, especially on pages with few visuals. However, not every article needs images, and too many can be distracting" Read more here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images. I hope this may help you, and welcome to Wikipedia. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Are United Nations Organizations automatically qualified for Wikipedia Articles or also have to attract dozen of online Media coverages before meeting Notability?

Hi Wikipedia Family,

I'm new here, but found many interesting Topics and researches relating to the United Nations Programmes and some of its major Activities, and also some Diplomatic Missions relating Topics which Articles i would like to create, but I need to clarify if these world Governments Organizations like the United Nations or Embassies fall automatically under article Notability without have to wait for much Press coverages on the internet. Just a humble question, please educate me on this. Thanks so much.(Diplomaticmissions (talk) 19:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC))

Hello Diplomaticmissions and welcome to the Teahouse.
No automatic notability. Even UN agencies must be written about by independent press before we can write an article about them. It does nobody any good if Wikipedia simply writes what an agency wants to say about itself. Readers would be better served to read that from the source itself. [About your username, I'll take that to your talk page.] — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Sources for your images

I am an art historian and am always amazed at the wealth of images that I can find online. The idea of putting all these mages online is brilliant. But what is NOT helpful is when the image is identified only by an artist and title -- no date, no dimensions, no medium, and most importantly NO INDICATION OF WHERE THE ACTUAL OBJECT CAN BE FOUND. If a work is in a museum, please indicate as much so that researchers can contact the owner directly to get additional information. If the image came from an auction house or dealer, tell us that. If it's in a private collection (unlikely because it probably wouldn't be publicly accessible if it were) just say Private Collection, city/country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.240.187 (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello anonymous IP user. Welcome to our Teahouse. Having been in the museum profession myself for many years, I can well understand your frustrations. Unfortunately, what happens on Wikimedia Commons is completely outside of our control here on English Wikipedia. But I do agree with you. In fact, considering how fussy we are about verifiability of textual content, it seems anyone can post any image they've taken on Wikimedia Commons and call it whatever they like, or guess at the identification of some plant or animal and nobody seems to take much interest in whether it's correct or not; nor is there any easy way to flag up concerns over incorrect naming. If you do find images which have insufficient information, you could always open it in Commons and contact the uploader to see if they can give further details. I would have expected organised projects in the GLAM sector to be already be providing this information, so it's possibly individual images uploaded as a one-off that are most likely to be lacking provenance. I'm not sure whether Wikimedia has the equivalent of a Village Pump where these issues can be raised, but it's certainly the case that uploaders at Commons are very much left to their own devices when it comes to adding additional information. But I doubt it would ever be possible to force people to add more unless we had specific templates as we do for references here on Wikipedia. I have left you a welcome message on your talk page, and invite you to create a named user account and start using your knowledge and access to information to improve what content you can here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Just to clarify, instances where you mention "Wikimedia" in your message should actually be Wikimedia Commons, or Commons in short. Wikimedia refers to the projects run by the Wikimedia Foundation and their communities, and is not commonly understood as short form for Commons. Thanks, Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 06:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about works without official translation

Not all the works has been translated into English as they don't have an official English name. In that case, what name should I write? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariogoods (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mariogoods just use the original title. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Original title? Does it mean if the original title is "我家" (Without original name), name it "Wo Jia" rather than "My home"? (It is a example. I hope you can understand my meaning.) Thank you! Mariogoods (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about Photo Uploading

How can i upload a photo on a article. I want to upload a photo on Nooriabad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseebahmad1087 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Haseebahmad1087: Please do not post your question multiple times. Here is a standard reply:
  To use an image on Wikipedia, follow these steps:
  1. Ascertain carefully the copyright status of the image. If in doubt, ask. As a rule of thumb, images that you did not take yourself are almost always under copyright, and images that you took can be released under a free license.
  2. If the image is in the public domain, or under a free license compatible with Wikimedia Commons' license requirements, or if you hold the copyrights and are willing to release the image under such a license, upload it on Wikimedia Commons using the Upload Wizard.
  3. If the image is neither public domain nor available under a free license, check whether it satisfies all non-free content criteria. In particular, photographs of living people almost never qualify. If it does not, it cannot be used on Wikipedia; do not upload it. If it does, upload it on Wikipedia (not on Wikimedia Commons).
  4. Once the image has been uploaded to the Wikimedia Foundation's servers (either to Commons or Wikipedia), follow the steps in the picture tutorial to place the image in an article.
TigraanClick here to contact me 08:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello (Ola)

My name is IanBrendan1, i'm Brazilian-American. My first question here in teahouse.--IanBrendan1 05:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IanBrendan1 (talk • contribs)

@IanBrendan1: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't seem to have asked a question, if there is one you have, please ask. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

My update article on Tipperary Crystal keeps getting removed and returning to previously edited incorrect information on the company

Hi Community,

I have noticed the Tipperary Crystal wikipedia page is inaccurate with the present information that is on the page. I wish to change this as a few people have commented that the owners have changed and the company have moved address. I got an auto reply after changing the information that there was a conflict of interest but i cant see any conflict as everything i have put in the text is factual and correct. Can someone help me with ensuring these changes remain and dont get removed again to return back to a page full of false information?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wroxtonwiki (talk • contribs) 13:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Wroxtonwiki, the information you added was unsourced and promotional. It was right to revert it. Wikipedia doesn't care what you know but what others have written about it. NZFC(talk) 04:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
You, and before you, another editor "Aloadofblarney", have been adding promotional descriptions of the company. And have seen that reverted, as warranted. If you want to add factual information, references required. Also, if you or Aload have any connection to the company, that must be declared on your User page and on the Talk page of the article in question. It's about COI and PAID. David notMD (talk) 10:45, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

What next?

Hi! I have written an article about an actor here in Pakistan. That is still captioned as a draft. How can I get it published and accepted? When will it be published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Aabid (talk • contribs) 10:22, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Ali Aabid (targeted article - Draft:Aabid Ali - hi, Please see the above message. The subject has not meet the notability requirement needed at the moment. Once you have found multiple independent, reliable secondary sources (such as from major newspaper where by the article talk about the subject in dept and length), then you would could submit for review by inserting {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Not enough references.

Hi! So Pakistan is a country where very little information about a person can be found over the internet. So the references that I can find are from facebook or youtube mostly. What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Aabid (talk • contribs) 10:19, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ali Aabid, and welcome to our Teahouse. Thank you for this question, and the one that followed immediately afterwards.
I assume you are referring to Draft:Aabid Ali? I also assume that you are trying to create a Wikipedia page about yourself, based on your own Facebook page and appearances in YouTube videos? If so, I advise you not to. You have a clear Conflict of Interest which you must declare, according to the policy I have just hyperlinked to. If a subject like an actor has not been written about in depth by independent sources (newspapers, magazines, websites etc), it is unlikely they will be deemed to meet our criteria for notabilty, and the page will be rejected or deleted. Facebook and YouTube can only be used to verify minor details, not as the basis of a complete page. See WP:NACTOR to assess whether you think you are, at this stage in your career, and therefore likely to meet those criteria. As harsh as it may sound, we cannot accept pages about every minor sportsman, actor, CEO, or whoever, who happens to want a page on Wikipedia. There are simply far too many if us in the world, and so we advise using LinkedIn or other free websites for that. I do not mean to sound rude, but maybe it is simply WP:TOOSOON, and worth waiting until you have won acting awards, or been written about by the media in a way which we regard as sufficiently notable to accept a page on you? You may also wish to read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, because there is also a down-side to trying to write about and promote oneself. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thank you for responding. I am not writing an article about myself. It is an article about an actor who has been in the show business for 18 or more years while I am only 18. He is on the linked in so I'll definitely share that link on the draft. He is very famous here. Thank you for your help. Cheers mate! [[[User:Ali Aabid|Ali Aabid]] (talk) 11:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)]

Ali Aabid Greetings and welcome to Teahouse. Content of the article needs to support by independent, reliable secondary sources for verification to establish notability of the subject. If no such source could not be found, and only facebook, youtube and daily motion as in your draft article at the current stage, then it would not meet the notability requirements which it need and the article would not be published. Secondly, your username indicates your are the subject of the article which means you have a conflict of interest here. Wikipedia strongly discourage editor with COI to write article of the affected page. Lastly, pls discourse your COI in your user page and the article talk page by following the instruction of the COI message I have sent you.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 10:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

CASSIOPEIA Thank you for responding. as I have estalished above that I am not writing an article about myself. He is on the linked in so I'll definitely share that link on the draft. Thank you and regards. [[[User:Ali Aabid|Ali Aabid]] (talk) 11:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)]


In addition to what CASSIOPEIA pointed out, you will also need to make it clear to the readers what the references are. A bare URL doesn't tell us anything apart from the domain of the source. Help:Referencing for beginners has a lot of information about how to add references (including how to format them, and how to use the same reference multiple times). Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 11:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Bonadea Thank you! [[[User:Ali Aabid|Ali Aabid]] (talk) 11:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)]

Ashton House, Beetham

Text of proposed article

A regionally typical L-plan yeoman farmhouse was built in 1678 adjacent to the existing site of Ashton House for Thomas and Sarah Johnson, during a period a substantial rebuilding at this social level.

The Johnsons were a long-established yeoman family in Beetham: parish records suggest that they had probably lived in the township from the medieval period. A conveyance of 1614 evidences their tenancy of Beetham corn mill.

Some of the original 17th century fabric of their farmstead which included a farmhouse with attached farm buildings and a separate barn is extant both within the range of buildings which now runs from the Wheatsheaf Inn to the outhouses at Ashton House, and within three further houses situated opposite the Wheatsheaf Inn, adjacent to the churchyard which originated as a 17th century detached barn. This barn was converted into housing at the turn of the 19th century.

The date-stone from the Johnson's farmhouse was subsequently repositioned onto the side entrance of Ashton House when this new, highly fashionable, gentry-plan house was built adjacent to the farmstead in c.1749 by their great-grandson, James Johnson, commensurate to his status as a wealthy merchant. A further date-stone of 1744 commemorates James Johnson's inheritance of the estate upon the death of his mother, which is corroborated by surviving family records. [James Johnson (1717-1769), son of John Johnson (1686-1735).] Merchant trading accounts and estate records within the family papers evidence the Johnsons' diversification from their farming interest into the cloth trade from the early 18th century. By the late 1740s they were wealthy London clothiers, exporting cloth to Lisbon and importing wine to England. Johnson was forced to sell in Ashton House in 1757 probably as a result of the Great Lisbon earthquake of 1755 which destroyed much of the city and all of the ships in the harbour.

Ashton House returned to descendants of the Johnson family when James Johnson's cousin, John Yeats (1729-1813), married the purchaser's daughter, [daughter of John Benson]. John Yeats, a successful overseas Liverpool merchant re-landscaped the gardens and built a substantial Picturesque gazebo in the pleasure grounds, a walled garden and a model farmyard to a Reptonian-style plan. He extended the landed estate leaving sufficient land and other assets for the family to acquire gentry status.

His son Rev. Edward Yeats (1781-1830), Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, extended Ashton House into a country house commensurate to its landed estate, remodelling the existing wings and extending the main front into the present Classically-derived, symmetrical façade which comprises a five bay, three storey centre within single bay, two storey wings. A lead hopper dated 1827 decorated with the Yeats family crest [a goat's head] remains extant on the facade commemorating the completion of this phase, for which some accounts survive within the estate papers. Edward died a bachelor leaving the house and estate to his sister's family. Typical of the period, her son, John, adopted the name Yeats in in addition to his patronymic, changing his family name to Yeats-Thexton to continue the dynastical line.

Whilst not adhering to strict principles of primogeniture, Ashton House remained within this family until it was acquired by Mr and Mrs Gordon Fairclough as a family home in 2003, who restored the house over the next decade.

[Gordon Fairclough KLJ, FSA Scot., LLB, MA, Pg.Cert. (Oxford).] Gordon Fairclough is an architectural historian and antiques dealer. He was knighted in the Military and Hospitaller Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem (Knight of Grace), and is Commander of the Cumbrian Commandery of the Order. He was educated at Lincoln College, Oxford where he is currently reading for a doctorate. He was elected a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland in 2015.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryofArchitecture (talk • contribs) 08:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@HistoryofArchitecture: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new users to ask about using Wikipedia, and not a place to draft articles. You do have a personal sandbox you may use(if using a computer, click "Sandbox" at the top right of the screen). 331dot (talk) 08:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@HistoryofArchitecture: Notwithstanding the above comments, I'd urge you not to be too downhearted that your good faith edits to Ashton House, Cumbria have recently been reverted by Theroadislong. Although I can see you've done your research, the problem is that here on Wikipedia we don't actually accept Original Research. Our encyclopaedia is rather more of a distillation of already published material that others have written. So had you got the local archives office or the Lakeland News (or whatever) to properly publish your researches, then that content could be used as a starting point for expanding the article here on Wikipedia. (avoid personal blogs etc as these aren't regarded as reliable sources - we like online content which has some authority and editorial control behind it, thus minimising issues of personal bias or error) Is there a way that you could do that? If so, it's a good route to go down, though it may take time. We do need sources to be widely available, and the editor just refered to was right to point out that an accession number in an archive office isn't sufficient useable as a reference. You will need to read Help:Referencing for beginners, and also look at how other articles have handled sources. So, handwritten notes, indentures, notebooks and manuscripts in a museum or archive are problematic because, as professional historians, we regard these raw documents as the most valuable sources of information, and the basis of all our research. Unfortunately, Wikipedia doesn't work that way, preferring only to summarise what has previously been published. We call these secondary sources. Are there any printed or published documents within that archive in Cumbria which could, individually, be cited as secondary sources? If so, you'd be welcome to expand the article using only those. (But you could add an external link to this if you wished. In future, I'd advise you to use the article's talk page to raise these matters for comment. (It also, rather cheekily, has the benefit of being able to associate that original research you've done with the article, whilst not actually inserting it within it. This could well be of use to other editors in the future.
Finally, do be aware that we take a very dim view of one person using two accounts to edit here. I believe you were asked a while back to clarify whether you also edited once as User:Architectural.History. If it was, I'd suggest you just briefly respond and simply clarify that it was an error of naming and that you never intend to use that account again. (You could add a note to that users talk page declaring the link, too). And if it wasn't you, please just say so. That way we keep everything above board. You might also wish to add something about yourself and your background to your userpage. Knowing the skillset that an editor brings to Wikipedia can help others assess the merits of individual edits, especially if they've accidentally transgressed our rules and guidelines. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

infant vs baby

Why does baby redirect to infant? For what particular reason is the article called Infant rather than Baby? Angela Maureen (talk) 05:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

"Infant" is considered a more precise term, and it is also more formal. There have been discussions about the article's title, and a suggestion to move it to "Baby" which ended in a consensus to keep the title "Infant" - you can see the archived discussion here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 06:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
It's an instance of the "classic" Anglo-Saxon versus Norman dichotomy, where the Norman-French origin word is percieved as more formal. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hurricane Aletta 2018

I have a question, I have a major interest in meteorology, and from June 6 to June 11 Aletta was dominating meteorology news, so I go look for an article for this Aletta and very surprised to see no article for it as the only result sends you to the 2018 Pacific hurricane season article. So, I make a deadline for myself, August 1 to create the article, my question is "Would Aletta be considered notable for article creation

Plus, I have a temporary deadline for January 1, 2019 to make articles for storms from 2017 that don't have an article. For crying out loud, Arlene has an article despite staying out to sea in April. Emily at least hit somewhere yet doesn't have an article I believe if I'm not mistaken. Would a system like Bret be notable enough? Every system I can list 3 major, reliable base sources.Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cyclone of Foxes your topic is a bit too specialist for the Teahouse. It would be much better to discuss the issues with your fellow hurricane enthusiasts at WT:WikiProject Tropical cyclones. By the way, why do you have deadlines? Wikipedia has none. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Eddie Deloach

hello, I am new to wikipedia and worked on creating this page, I was wondering why exactly it was rejected what additional sources i may need to include for it to be accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettkohler69 (talk • contribs)

@Brettkohler69:Hi! It looks like we need to expand the article somewhat. We have notability criteria for politicians and judges, and the usual consensus for politicians like Deloach would be: Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD, although the article should say more than just "Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville". So any additional information you can provide about Deloach's political (other offices held, other campaigns run, scandals, etc.) or business career) to establish notability would be helpful. Thank you, caknuck ° needs to be running more often 15:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I have also made some small edits to the draft, mostly grammatical. caknuck ° needs to be running more often 15:13, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

AfD

Please participate in AfD (Redacted) Accesscrawl (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Seeking help on references that I can't access

Hello, I am seeking help to make the references look good on Baghdadi Jews which I have been working on.

However, when I click the edit zone... I can't see them! So I can't put them in neat link capsules.

Please advise! User: David Nahoum — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Nahoum (talk • contribs) 23:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about the links to Synagogue websites in your list of Pre-WWII Baghdadi Communities in Asia? They wont be "visible" in the reflist because they're transcluded. Actually, they probably should not be there are at all; Wikipedia is not a directory, and we shouldnt be providing external links to organisations (even if they are religious/for a good cause or not for profit). They are not independent sources, so they arent much good as a reference either. Curdle (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Why?

Why you people Change the things i Edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laygbemah Gibson (talk • contribs) 17:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Laygbemah Gibson, welcome to our Teahouse. I'm afraid you haven't given us enough information to answer your question. You asked why we change the things you edit - well, we all collaborate here and we all have the right to add and improve articles. However, if any editor breaks our rules those edits may be swiftly undone. It looks as if you have made a number of edits which have been interpreted as 'non-constructive', and some images you may have uploaded have been deleted as blatant copyright violations. So possibly for that reason your edits have been undone. But if you'd like to ask a specific question and link to the article in question, we would be happy to try and help you further. Good luck with your editing, and welcome to Wikipedia! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Laygbemah Gibson: You uploaded many images to Wikimedia Commons today [1] but they were all deleted as copyright violations. The deleted file pages can only be seen by Commons administrators but the deletion logs indicate the images were taken from various websources and you made undocumented claims that the images were your own work. Wikipedia and Commons take copyright seriously. Are you the photographer? If not then stop uploading copyrighted images without permission and do not lie about images being your own work. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
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