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I want to change my username...

Hello, my name is Gh fiLben and I have been trying to get my info on wikipedia. I am an artist and that's how I write my name and I used this for my username. I would like to change my user name to Gh Filben, with the large letter F and small letter L in my last name. I could use much more help with editing too. I am very new at this and would like to get my name out there to the world so that I can help sell my art to raise money for research for children with cancer. Thank you. Gh fiLben (talk) 06:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Gh fiLben. Please read Wikipedia:Changing username. As for your wish to "get my name out there to the world", please be aware that Wikipedia is not intended for any promotional activity whatsoever, even in support of a good cause. This is a neutral encyclopedia intended for articles about notable topics only. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I have submitted an article but it got declined

I have created an article and I have attached a number of references yet it got declined while I have seen many articles of inferior quality and poorly written with very less reference were available on Wikipedia. IBNULILM IBNULILM (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IBNULILM. You have been given specific advice by several reviewers who have taken the time to take an in-depth look at your draft. The first thing you should do is follow all of that advice. As for other poor quality articles, there are two choices. We can either improve them, or if the topic is not notable, we can delete them. Both things happen all the time, and we delete hundreds of articles every day. The existence of some non-compliant articles is not a good argument to create new non-compliant articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:31, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

article about a University

Hello Teahouse people

I would like to write an article about my University of Bahri, www.bahri.edu.sd/ can you please help me with it.

Best Khalid.mirghnee (talk) 07:24, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Khalid.mirghnee, first read the WP:Your first article guide, then I highly recommend that you use the WP:Article wizard to start drafting the article. You can also get assistance from WP:WikiProject Universities and WP:WikiProject Sudan where you will find editors familiar with the respective topics. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Request for Feedback on COI Draft

I am kindly requesting feedback on a draft of an article. I have a COI with the subject and I would like to have the draft speak with as neutral a voice as possible before I submit it for publication via AFC. I guess the feedback can go on the talk page of the draft instead of here, but I'm not sure.

The draft is here.

Here are some of the editorial guidelines I tried to take into account as I wrote it:

• The draft is a BLP of a musician, and specialized notability requirements for musicians are listed here.

• Given the specialized notability guidelines regarding musicians, the paragraphs that begin "The stage production of 'Godspell' ..." and "The cast album was a commercial success..." are an attempt to establish notability--i.e. to show how the subject contributed to a musical work, the success of which makes him notable per the criteria.

• Under Criteria for Speedy Deletion #G11, "Unambiguous Advertising or Promotion" here, for an article to meet the Criteria, it must be "exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. If a subject is notable and the content can be replaced with text that complies with a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion."

• It is a legitimate use of a subpage in user space to store a draft of a proposed article for the purpose of eliciting feedback in COI situations, as stated here.

Thank you for your help. I hope to make a positive contribution to Wikipedia and I am grateful for your assistance. Kekki1978 (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Kekki1978. Welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you are asking about User:Kekki1978/Draft:Rick Shutter. You need references that show the Rick Shutter himself is notable and for more than just one thing, being the drummer for Godspell. You need to find articles about him, not just ones that mention his name or mention him in passing. In other words, other writers need to have done what you are doing here, researched Shutter and written articles about him that are published in independent, reliable sources. Reread Wikipedia:Notability (music). Which of the criteria in the first section, criteria 1 through 12, does he meet? The references you provide all seem to be about Godspell and other musicians and don't show that he meets any of them. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, StarryGrandma. Thank you for your thoughts. They are much appreciated.Kekki1978 (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

So that others don't get unnecessarily confused, the draft I sought feedback on was here (User:Kekki1978/Feedback2:Rick Shutter) and not at the link that StarryGrandma mentioned.Kekki1978 (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Need help on phrasing a statement

Dear friends, I'm currently having a problem about phrasing a statement. The statement is "The LTTE used the internet to hack into Sri Lankan government networks in 1997, the first recorded use of internet terrorism by any conventional terrorist group." (source [1]) (few more support this claim with out using the exact words[2][3][4])

The phrase i'm currently planning is According to Indrajit Banerjee, "This cyber attack in 1997 on Sri Lankan government and consulate network was the first recorded incident on internet terrorism by a conventional terrorist group"

My problems are, I think that this statement is notable and should be included. However it seems to violate WP:Terrorist. On the other hand I can't use the word "militant group" instead because there may be other militant groups out there which are not proscribed as terrorist groups so making the statement a false one and original research. Any suggestions to get around this problem. Thanks Nishadhi (talk) 11:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Nishadhi. Assuming that Indrajit Banerjee is a recognized expert on such matters, then your proposed sentence in italics is a proper solution. We are not calling LTTE "terrorist" in Wikipedia's voice, but rather attributing that judgment to an expert through a quotation. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind advice Cullen. Nishadhi (talk) 13:16, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

How to add a Contact Us page like on Wikipedia ?

Question in the title :)

2A01:E35:8BAB:210:9C8F:265B:874B:B97D (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

If your asking how a company/organisation lists it's contact details, then it doesn't. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and their page is not owned by the company, see WP:OWN. If people want to find contact details, they should use the company website instead. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

You do not. Since WP is not for promoting one's own company or organization. Individual editors can contact you individually on the site via the usual internal channels. And since shared use is frowned upon, your use of the word 'us' suggests there is more than one of editing with that account. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 17:48, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: They don't have an account, it's an IP address (albeit a very long one). It's fine for multiple users to use the same IP address. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Editing while logged out bro. (IPv6 address btw) _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 17:54, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I just wanted to add a page like this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us 2A01:E35:8BAB:210:9C8F:265B:874B:B97D (talk) 17:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, that's what a company website is for, adding one of those for every company would just be giving companies free advertising, against WP:NOTADVERTISING. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

My bad, I formulated my question wrong, I am new here. I am starting a MediaWiki site and I wanted to add to it a contact page. Now I understand this Teahouse is related to Wikipedia only and I am out of here... :)

2A01:E35:8BAB:210:9C8F:265B:874B:B97D (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

You're correct that this page is about Wikipedia editing, though if you're creating your own wiki through MediaWiki, you should be able to create a "contact us" page like you would create a page on most other wikis. Once your site and instance of MediaWiki is up and running, navigate to whatever page you wish to create - if your project's name is SuperPedia, you'd probably want your page's title to be "SuperPedia:Contact" or "SuperPedia:Contact us". You'll be able to add whatever content you want and save the page. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:24, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you all!

2A01:E35:8BAB:210:9C8F:265B:874B:B97D (talk) 18:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism

I've found an article where an entire paragraph was cut and pasted from another source online. An editor has already placed a [citation needed] tag on the paragraph as there is no inline citation. Is that all we should do? Lois ^talk 21:17, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Lois Millard, if you have a source of the cut and paste you should remove it as a copyright violation (unless the source is clearly marked not copyrighted) and mention the source in the edit summary so others can verify. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lois Millard. There is a nice guide at Wikipedia:Text Copyright Violations 101 that looks like it was written to answer questions just like yours. If you need any help with this, just ask. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:55, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you both! I'll do that, KylieTastic. Thanks for the link to the guide, StarryGrandma. I was looking for something like that! Lois ^talk 00:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Ha! And the joke is on me. On taking a further look, it appears that the copy/paste was done the other way around - from Wikipedia to the other site. At least I know what to do if I find something like this in the future! Thanks, again! Lois ^talk 00:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

One thing to keep in mind is that rather than Wikipedia plagiarizing someone else, there are many sites that scrape and copy Wikipedia (some with appropriate attribution and some not) and so it can be a good idea to try and find out when the content entered Wikipedia and compare it to when the content appeared elsewhere to see who had it first. (you can use WP:WIKIBLAME to help find when a word or phrase first entered the Wikipedia article.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:18, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Lois Millard: One thing you may want to do is put the template {{backwardscopy}} (with the relevant URL—see the template's documentation) on the article's talk page. That will help folks who might come along later, so that they won't have to waste time investigating in which direction the copying took place. Deor (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Where can I find the license agreement for photographs?

I have a photo I'd like to use in an article, the owner has agreed to release it for use, and i know how to upload photos, but I can't find the license agreement thing that they can sign and send to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. Does anyone know where I can find this information? Bali88 (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bali88. Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials is a good place to start. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

The template for the e-mail is at WP:CONSENT RudolfRed (talk) 19:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much guys! Found it. Bali88 (talk) 19:45, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Scanned documents as sources

I am writing an article about a 1940's model agent and I am in possession of a large amount of physical documents, flyers, advertisements that I have scanned. Can I upload these to wikipedia and use them as sources for my article? If not, is there anything I could do with them? Lstfco (talk) 03:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Lstfco: and welcome to the Teahouse.

Can you upload them? Generally not as they are copyright materials and we have restrictions on what may be uploaded and under what conditions. see WP:FAIR and WP:COPYRIGHT for more details.

However, materials do not need to be online to be used as sources, see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Accessibility.

However again, materials like fliers are "primary sources" and we generally depend upon "secondary sources" - experts who have reviewed the primary source materials and published their analysis - we do not allow analysis, commentary etc that originates with Wikipedia editors. We use the term "editor" rather than "writer" because we do not create - we compile and curate what other experts have written and published. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have to find some alternative sources Lstfco (talk) 04:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm afraid you will, Lstfco. Besides what TRPoD said there's probably another problem with those materials: sources don't have to be on line, but they have to be published, so that (at least in principle) a reader could get hold of a copy, eg through a public library. By the sound of it your materials do not meet that criterion. Note also that, even if copyright were not an issue, your scans would not be regarded as reliable, because there is no way of determining their provenance. --ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Category challenged editor here...

It's no secret that I continue to struggle with editing/creating categories. I have 'signed up' with a new project called WP:Women's health and created a stub template that seems to be working quite well...except that somehow this has created a category that really needs to be a hidden category instead of being visible on the articles' page. How does one turn the 'visible' category Women's Health Stubs into a hidden category like all the other stub articles. Thanks ahead of time from those of you who are knowledgeable about this problem. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  17:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Bfpage add {{Wikipedia category|hidden=yes}} to the category page. Nthep (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

THANK you so much! I know shouting isn't nice, but I am so happy to have such an easy fix revealed to me. Thanks so much for your reply, Nthep. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  18:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Bfpage: I have fixed some issues with Category:Women's Health Stubs and Template:Womens-health-stub to conform with our stub practices. Can you find a relevant image for the latter? The category should be named Category:Women's health stubs by our conventions. Do you approve of moving it? A category move usually requires some bureaucracy and waiting but here it should be sufficient if the creator approves it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh yes! Please help me with this PrimeHunter. I am embarrassingly inept at this sort of thing. I had an image associated with my attempt at creating a stub template on the WP:Women's health project main page-it was a small yellow sunflower. Wait, I just visited the template page and you fixed everything. What a wonderful thing you have done for me! I can't thank you enough. The Very Best of Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  22:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have moved the category. Regarding [5], stub templates are displayed in mainspace articles and not meant for drawing attention to behind-the-scenes WikiProject pages. That's what talk page banners like {{WikiProject Women's health}} are for. I also linked Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's health in the blue box on Category:Women's health stubs. The sunflower image File:WikiThanks.png is used for thanks, for example in {{WikiThanks}} displayed on many user talk pages. It's confusing if it's also used as a stub icon unrelated to thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Request to remove spam

Can someone please remove spam at the external link of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwalls page? it looks like only an administrator can remove that. thanks (Monkelese (talk) 00:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Monkelese. It was transcluded from Template:Princesses of Wales. I have fixed it by reverting the latest edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Checking sources of a page

Hello people!

I am just asking if anyone can please have a look at all the sources over at Draft: Alex Gilbert. I have added several new ones which are reliable including -

• http://www.tv3.co.nz/BOTH-WORLDS-Season-4-Ep-1/tabid/3692/articleID/114496/MCat/3155/Default.aspx
• http://www.libraryaware.com/838/NewsletterIssues/ViewIssue/60b8c210-a673-491b-bfbf-ab2dc84caa93?postId=9740c0b5-9b9e-4b6d-a992-00f91acc7605

And not to forget the other ones!

• http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/russia-love-video-5821784
• http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11232549
• http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11310534

Thank You! Just need advice and help!

Dmitry (DmitryPopovRU (talk) 19:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey DmitryPopovRU. There are many caveats about sources, far beyond what could be listed here to cover everything but bear with me while I list a few rules of thumb. Mostly, Wikipedia articles should be based on citations to published sources that are:

• reliable;
• secondary in nature; and that are
• independent of the topic being written about.

You can use primary sources if they are reliable, but they should not be used for analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims; they can be self-serving and so must be used with care; and they have little to no utility to demonstrate notability (because writing about oneself or something one has a stake in does not show the world taking note of the topic). To demonstrate notability, not only do we need sufficient reliable secondary sources to be cited, but they must contain substantive information directly about the topic – not just a mention of it.

So, running down the list of source in the order you provided them:

1. Cannot be accessed from my location but appears to be a video of an episode he was in and as such, is a primary, non-independent source;
2. Although the Auckland Council itself *might* be a reliable source (it's not clearly-so), the listing on this page have the appearance of blurbs that are scraped, taken or provided from the authors;
3. Although there's a bit of secondary commentary from the station at the opening, and some secondary narration this is essentially an interview and thus a blended but mostly primary source;
4. This is a solid reliable secondary source, The New Zealand Herald speaking about him in some detail – look for more like this;
5. Same as above, good newspaper source, in this case The Northern Advocate.

Where I think you are now is that you've killed the draft a bit with "source overload" – too many unreliable sources and too many primary sources to make it at all easy to assess that there are actually good reliable, secondary sources in the mix, because you've been using anything you find a bit indiscriminately. I think if you carefully assess the sources present, remove all those that appear unreliable, and remove all those that are primary and for which a secondary source also exists (there are many places where you have multiple citations for a single fact), that would go a long way toward making this more accessible for both review and reading. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks User:Fuhghettaboutit for your help. I really appreciate it. Are you or any other editor able to help fix the sources to clean them up? Thank You! Dmitry (DmitryPopovRU (talk) 01:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Book and movie of the same title

How you do the disambiguation? Battle for Bittora v. Battle for Bittora: Anuja Chauhan ForbiddenRocky (talk) 22:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

You can use a hatnote. See the note at the top of The Godfather as an example. RudolfRed (talk) 23:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, RudolfRed. ForbiddenRocky (talk) 02:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Image upload

Hello. Yesterday, I "created" (quote marks because all but one were redirects) 5 stub video game articles: ESPN NBA Basketball (video game), NBA 2K6, NBA 2K7, NBA 2K8, and NBA 2K9. They were the articles in the NBA 2K series that didn't have a separate article. I think the cover art would make the article look a decent amount better. I don't think that will happen without me asking this question because the topics in articles are old. NBA 2K16 for example is new and will definitely get a covert art image put into the article. So, where can I ask for cover art to be uploaded? I understand there are no issues with cover art and copyright. I do not know how to upload pictures. I have tried before and failed. Thanks Teahouse. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello @DangerousJXD: Actually, there are most certainly issues with cover art and copyright. Details can be found WP:FAIR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Just so it is known I meant no issues as in you can upload cover art under "fair use" or something. It's simple I meant. —DangerousJXD (talk) 02:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll try and make my question more simpler: Is there a place like this place but for requesting images to be uploaded? I found something that was titled in a way that you would think it is that kind of place but it wasn't. I can't find anything. The short answer is "Do it yourself" I bet. Not a massive deal. —DangerousJXD (talk) 03:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia: Requested pictures. Maybe they can help. - Marchjuly (talk) 12:46, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The Unhealthy procedures of Wikipedia.

The Wikipedia staff is deleting the articles which are proper and while the writing of the article is going on. I am trying to write article since many years and not a single article they have published. My articles had been published everywhere on the web. But it seems that Wikipedia people are more literate.

Now I will stop publishing article to Wikipedia and have planned to make another server like Wikipedia.

Thanks Wikipedia staff.

Anjini Kumar Kasturia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anjinikumarkasturia (talk • contribs) 14:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Did you create a new account purely in order to tell us that? What articles? _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: They wrote an autobiography that got deleted under A7. I would recommend some sites like Facebook or a personal website would be better suited for your needs. Winner 42 Talk to me! 14:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Anjinikumarkasturia: Welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry to hear about your frustrations. However, Wikipedia does have a set of standards to follow in regards to what we cover. In particular, article subjects have to be notable, which means they are shown to be notable through significant coverage in a variety of reliable sources. In your case, it appears that you have tried to write an article about yourself, which didn't show why you were notable. Beyond that, it's strongly discouraged that editors write about themselves, as it's hard to do so neutrally. Typically if you are notable enough for an article, someone else would swing by and write that article on you. As Winner mentions, it may be better to create a profile for yourself on other sites built for this purpose (Facebook, LinkedIn, a personal website, etc.). Hope this clears some things up. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 15:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Ownership of the article

I am creating an article and was wondering about the legal issues with citations. When you create a wikipedia article, do you give Wikipedia all the rights to your article, therefore making them the owner of the page? If so, when including information, how much information should be cited. If the article is about trailers, if I include in the references the website of the organization, is it enough? Should I cite every product the organization manufactures? Also, the city where the plants are, should they also be cited? 216.226.53.204 (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

At the bottom of every edit window is the following text: By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution. - that deals with the "ownership" of the text, not with the reliability of references. For that see this page. Hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Uploading images from WikiCommons to Wikipedia

I was able to upload an image to the article that I wanted but the formatting appeared at the top of the article. How can I get the thumbnail to appear without the formatting showing in the article?BBoruMcD (talk) 19:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I  Fixed the formatting for you in this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 19:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

And the audio file link in this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what to do anymore

I am being wikihounded by an experienced editor and I don't know what to do anymore. I've raised my points at WP:ANI and numerous times before at admin noticeboards but I just get ignored and he gets off the hook each time due to friends in high places. I really hope someone can help me and has enough time to skim through my contributions to understand what I'm going through. I have such a passion for Wiki and I am not the bad editor this user is trying to portray me as. I really need help. I don't want to be forced into retirement after all the work and hours I've put in on here. - Lips ^{are movin} 02:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lips Are Movin. I looked at your contribs and personally I have been harassed (not on Wikipedia but elsewhere). This user (not going to mention by name) has constantly been removing your content and not assuming good faith. If you need any assistance send me an email or a Wikipedian may say something else below. This user has been blocked before for disruptive editing and I hope you don't retire. Your edits are appreciated on Wikipedia. Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 03:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

And all this time I thought the Teahouse was (as the intro page states) "A friendly place to help new editors become accustomed to Wikipedia culture, ask questions, and develop community relationships." What I'm seeing from WooHoo (who isn't even a Teahouse host, from what I can tell) is a lot of accusation, non-AGF, and seeing things from one side of the story. Doesn't look too teahouse-friendly to me. Gee, what did I ever do to you, WooHoo? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, it appears it has sorted out. In the future, if a dispute happens again, I recommend using the dispute resolution noticeboard as it can solve disputes better than with just 1 Wikipedian. Winkelvi, I am a Teahouse host (I became a host under the name BrandonWu on 2 May 2014) Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 14:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Anybody can drop into the Teahouse and chat with the other participants and, one hopes, give them good advice. That's what I try to do from time to time. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Problem with Wikilink

PLease look at note 4 of Historical revision of the Inquisition. Why is the link not taking me to the subsection? deisenbe (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

It works for me now that it has been fixed by User:Fuhghettaboutit. The bigger issue is that Wikipedia should not be used as a reference - that link should be moved to the See also section or somewhere else.--ukexpat (talk) 20:46, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Need help editing an article

Hello Editors! My article for ARI, a fleet management company, was rejected for sounding like an advertisement. I did my best to remain completely factual; for the one award the company has been recognized for (the FORTUNE honor), I provided a third party link to verify our listing. I would welcome any expert advise you might be able to provide that would allow the article to be published. Thanks in advance for your help! CBNassan (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@CBNassan: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!

While the company's website can be used for a limited set of purposes it cannot be used to support "promotional" claims of "largest" (or "best" "most efficient" etc.) and the "100 Best Companies to Work For" - well that is given to a 100 companies every year, its not an "award" recognition that arises to the level needed to establish notability. You will need to find additional coverage in places like newspapers or books. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Broken links in references

In the article "Empire Express," the second link in the references is to a book review by the New York Times. The link is broken, although the NYT says "don't go away." I think I see the problem, but don't see how to edit the URL. If someone could point me to information that discusses the technical aspects of references--please do. EdfRetired (talk) 01:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey EdfRetired. I am guessing the issue you were having is that you were trying to edit the references section but only saw there: "{{reflist}}". This is a common issue for new users, so that we even have a template dedicated to explaining the issue in some detail: see {{Edit refs}}. There are many different pages dedicated to aspects of the references. You might start with Wikipedia:Citing sources – that's the big one, trying to cover a bit about everything. Maybe less daunting are referencing for beginners though I'm afraid (at least in my view) its title does not faithfully describe its content and Help:Introduction to referencing/1. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:45, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

ISBN missing

Please, where is the page of all articles that contain the template {{ISBN missing}}? Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The template adds articles to Category:All articles with broken citations; you can check there or view the full list of transclusions of the template. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the categories seem to be deprecated - the transclusion list is your best bet. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• If your interested in this area there are also Category:Articles with invalid ISBNs, Category:Articles lacking ISBNs and Category:Pages with ISBN errors that you may be interested in. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

For all or just the Italian Wikipedia.

Hello. I have a really hard time with Wiki. Due to COI I had to change my username - okay, I did it , but before that I was banned from the Italian Wikipedia because of this COI . I do not know why but I cannot edit neither publish something there. My question is : am I blocked for all wikipedia or it is only for the Italian one? Thank you in advance. Creative Turin (talk) 10:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Creative Turin: Usually blocks are just for that Wikipedia, so you're probably only blocked from Italian Wikipedia. You appear to be writing a draft in Italian, note that all articles on English Wikipedia must be written in English. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Creative Turin: Special:CentralAuth/Creative Turin shows you are only blocked in the Italian Wikipedia. I don't know their procedures but you can probably request an unblock now. See it:Wikipedia:Politiche di blocco degli utenti#Effetti del blocco. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much. I am translating the content and putting it in the english Wikipedia. For the Italian wikipedia - I will search someone to text in Italian. Thank you again.

Creative Turin (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Archiving on a talk page

I've added the MiszaBot template on Talk:Meghan Trainor as the page 115kb+ in size and it's slowing down my browser, giving glitches because of its size. I'm unsure if I've done the template/procedure correctly. I'd appreciate if someone could please double check this for me so it works properly. Thanks in advance. - Lips ^{are movin} 14:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Lips Are Movin: MiszaBot appears not to be working on lots of pages (article talkpages and people's userpages) since about 5 June- many people have posted about it. So if it doesn't work quickly, that might be the issue. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Lips Are Movin: :@Joseph2302: It may be due to this: WP:Village pump (technical)#Impending bot armageddon, the heading is not overstating the issue! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Yep I read it before. I'm currently manually archiving my talkpage every 2-3 days. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo page

At the end of the fourth paragraph on the Cristiano Ronaldo page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo), the article states that he is "the only player in the history of football to score 50 or more goals in a season on five occasions[,]" with a link embedded leading to a page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_players_with_50_or_more_goals_in_a_season) of the list of footballers who have scored more than 50 goals in a single season. A quick skim of the page reveals that Pelé achieved that feat as well. Can I (or someone) edit the Cristiano Ronaldo page to reflect the facts?

50.243.52.145 (talk) 16:16, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to have to look into it. List_of_association_football_players_with_50_or_more_goals_in_a_season says Pele and Ronaldo did it, but the sources on that page seem to indicate Pele didn't do it 5 times. Also, List_of_association_football_players_with_50_or_more_goals_in_a_season and Cristiano_Ronaldo both use the same source, but List_of_association_football_players_with_50_or_more_goals_in_a_season says that Pele and Ronaldo acheived it, Cristiano_Ronaldo said only Ronaldo achieved it, and the source makes neither of those claims. Going to ask at WT:FOOTY. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

 Removed The claim has been removed from both articles, because there's no evidence this record exists, and there's no clear evidence whether Pele did or didn't do it- the sources being used din't mention it at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

What kinds of sources can I use for a biographical article?

If I'm looking to write an article about an author, can I cite their personal website or the website of an organization that they work for? Rhenaghan (talk) 18:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, @Rhenaghan: and welcome to the teahouse! While you can use content published by the subject for a limited range of content, such sources alone do nothing to establish that the subject meets the requirements for a stand alone article at Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

How to use one source, multiple cites and provide page numbers

I am frustrated. I've read documentation til it's coming out my ears, and I've tried many different things, but I'm still failing.

In a lengthy article, where a single source is quoted multiple times, you can use (open bracket) ref name=blah / (close braket) to cite the previously cited source. But how do you get the page numbers to show up. In the first cite, I use the Template for citing books, for example. I give it the last name of the author so I can use it as the ref name later. If I put the page number in the first cite, it shows up in every other one. I want to use the ref name, but I also want the page numbers to show up so the reader knows where in the book the cite is derived from.

What is the proper way to do this? Txantimedia (talk) 18:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I just learned how how to do this from someone else's question. You can view the answer here: Questions#Referencing_page_numbers_for_a_single_book Jadeslair (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I finally get it. Thanks for the help. Txantimedia (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The link above doesn't work. Here is the correct one. And that question will soon be archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Girls

How Is it that teenage girls can not have a website that has good girl advice on it for girls who are teenagers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.217.169 (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. This is a page for asking for help in editing Wikipedia, so your question does not fit here. (But my reply would be "Why do you think they can't?") --ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

The OP has probably discovered that if you google 'girl chat'... you don't necessarily get what you're looking for _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:52, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Greetings @24.236.217.169: First, I strongly agree with you about how there need to be better places on the web for this kind of stuff. The thing is that Wikipedia is not really such a place. Not sure if you were asking that question or not but in case you were the reason is that Wikipedia is not supposed to advocate for any causes, no matter how worthwhile they are. My daughter is talking to me about how bad it is for women and girls on the Internet all the time. She has several blogs that she follows regularly, it wouldn't be appropriate to list them here, its off topic, this is for editing Wikipedia but if you are interested and want some suggestions please leave a comment on my talk page and I'll ask her and give you some suggestions. I'm assuming you are OK with sites that are pro-feminism and things like that, if not then any suggestions I might get from my daughter wouldn't probably be relevant to you. One final thing, you might find this Wikipedia task force interesting: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force --MadScientistX11 (talk) 02:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Long Article

When an article (or at least some parts of it) should be moved to a subpage(s)? My guess is looking at byte numbers. Paleocemoski 22:16, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Paleocemoski:. You will find some guidance here: Wikipedia:Article size. (and you wouldn't actually create "sub pages" which has a technical meaning Wikipedia:Subpages but rather spin out/child article.) and be sure to follow the attribution rules Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:26, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Greetings @Paleocemoski:, welcome to the teahouse. In addition to the good info that TheRedPenOfDoom gave you I suggest you look at this article: Wikipedia:Splitting if I'm understanding you, that is the thing you want to do. Splitting is one of those Wikipedia words that has a special meaning, its when an article has too much info and needs to be divided up into two (or possibly even more) smaller articles. Note you mentioned the "byte number", in my experience number of bytes or characters is not a very good metric for when to do a split. Better metrics are how well does the topic flow, is there enough info (and enough disparate topics) to justify doing a split, etc. Sheer number of bytes is certainly not irrelevant but its not the best way to decide. Please note that there is a process for doing a Split. you are supposed to post a template on the page to be split and then start a discussion on the talk page of the article. The process is described in that article I linked to. FYI, the inverse of doing a split is a wp:merge where you take two articles that are about very similar topics and merge them into one. Hope that was helpful. The split and merge processes IMO are a bit more convoluted than they should be but once you do it once it is fairly obvious. Reply back on my talk page if you want help with that. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 02:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The answer printed here seems like a good response to the question that was asked. I would merge two articles referring to a similar topic compared with the way the two read and put the content from them into one article. I would consider it if I was doing that kind of contribution to something on a page. Just learner 20:09, 15 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Just learner (talk • contribs)

Michael Stephans entry

Hello, I've submitted this article twice, currently it is up for review. In the meantime, I'd like to get some feedback regarding any edits I should consider making. Specifically, "notability". Thanks Ben https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Michael_Stephans_%282%29&redirect=no Bpscholz (talk) 17:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bpscholz: and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability is the amount of attention something has gained from the world at large and over a period of time. If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. The general notability guideline is:

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. (See WP:Golden rule.)

• "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that people don't have to research for themselves to find this. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it need not be the main topic of a source.
• "Reliable" means sources need to be trusted to be accurate.
• "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. A secondary source provides an author's own thinking based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event; for example, a news reporter who has nothing to do with Michael Stephans talking about him because he is newsworthy.
• "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.
• "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject should be included.

When this draft was most recently rejected it was because it was not adequately supported by reliable sources. You need sources that talk about Stephans in more detail. This source, for example, fails to demonstrate his importance, instead only including him in a list. Also, Wikipedia's citation guidelines concerning what is written about living people are strict and you will need to either find sources for what you say about him or remove them. I would also work on the wording (see WP:Puffery)- it sounds promotional at times. For example, instead of writing '...Michael's work has been published in numerous literary journals', even with a source, you need to specifically state some of the literary journals or a number with a source; 'numerous' could mean any amount. If you are quoting a source you would need to write this as 'numerous'. Instead of writing or pasting the URL you can put [[these brackets]] around the name to create a link- Draft:Michael Stephans (2). I hope this helps. Rubbish computer 15:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestions. I changed the wording and removed some of the sources that had dubious relevancy. I also added and removed redlinked brackets for every name and source that has an existing wikipedia entry. I will continue to search for more sources that talk about Stephans in detail. In the meantime, if you have any further specific suggestions, please let me know. Thanks again. Ben Bpscholz (talk) 18:18, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

BpscholzI got rid of the & symbol in the opening section as it didn't seem appropriate. I also removed 'award-winning' concerning his writing as this is vague; you need to state what he won and back this up with a reliable reference, or not include it if you can't find one. I would say you're on the right track looking for the references, though. Rubbish computer 16:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I rephrased the wording so that it mentions the Rachel Sherwood award he won in 2000. I'll keep digging for more references.

Ben Bpscholz (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed film

is there Assassin's Creed film wiki page if not then why its confirmed for 2016 Release date . Dkmsn8 (talk) 09:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome, Dkmsn8. No. Not yet. There most likely will be soon but not at the moment. You don't have to worry about it. Somebody will create that article eventually. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:40, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

so if i want to creat, i can, will it be deleted ?dkm (talk) 09:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I strongly advise not creating it. You need a lot of experience to create an article, Dkmsn8. There is no rule against actually doing it though. It will most likely be deleted if you make it yes. You are very welcome to work on the article when it is made. When first editing Wikipedia, it is best to stick to articles that are already here. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

thanx for replying, btw how can i get experience u talked about, i really wanna contribute to wikidkm (talk) 09:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Just takes time, Dkmsn8. If you are passionate about editing Wikipedia and really want to contribute, it just takes time. —DangerousJXD (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

hmm.. thanks for suggestion,...dkm (talk) 10:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Dkmsn8. Wikipedia rarely accepts articles about things in the future, mostly because there is usually not enough reliable independent information published about them to ground an article (in Wikipedia jargon, they are not "notable"). See WP:CRYSTAL. If you can find several articles in major newspapers talking about the film (and not just written from press releases, but written by people with no connection with the film or its producers) then there can be an article. Otherwise, no. --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

thanks for information , colinfine,btw is this reliable enough http://screenrant.com/assassins-creed-movie-poster/dkm (talk) 12:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Dkmsn8, I don't know the reputation of http://screenrant.com, which would be key to deciding if this soruces is reliable. If it seems to be, this would b a good start, but more than one independant reliable source would be needed for a new article. DES ^(talk) 12:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Dkmsn8, There is a draft for the film. You can find it here. The article is not ready and are "under construction". You may help by adding more information which is supported by reliable sources to the draft. AdrianGamer (talk) 11:29, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

thanks for information , btw Bill Collage (screenplay), Adam Cooper isn't Writer ?dkm (talk) 14:01, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Use of journal citation for list of periodicals

Hey there!

I happened upon this periodical list yesterday at an edit-a-thon. It currently has piles of "Missing or empty |title=" errors, since the journal citation is being used to refer to entire journals, rather than individual issues of them. What the help info states doesn't seem to work—filling out |journal=, for instance, results in the same error.

How can I fix the citations? Or, is this a case where they aren't an appropriate format?

Thanks for the help! Verbistheword (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Verbistheword, welcome to the Teahouse. You are right, that is surely not what {{Cite Journal}} is intended to be used for. It is designed to cite a journal, not to refer to it or format it for a bibliography. I think it would be best to use a different method of formatting these list items. It could be done manually. I will look to see if an appropriate tempalte exists. DES ^(talk) 14:57, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks, DES! I'll stand by for your advice. Verbistheword (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

On a quick look, i don't see any obvious templates for this purpose, Verbistheword. I will look further, but may not repond quickly. DES ^(talk) 15:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good, DES. I'll put the page on my to do list, and if I decide on a format on my own, I'll report back here, just for completeness' sake. Have a great one! Verbistheword (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I believe it is acceptable to use citation templates such as {{cite book}} or {{cite journal}} according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies#Using citation templates as long as there is a consensus to do so. You just have to pick the right template and make sure all of the necessary parameters are filled in. - Marchjuly (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

But that page was trying to use {{Cite journal}} not to reference an articel in a journal, but the whole journal. Cite journal is not desigend for that and I think it cannot be used that way. That is why it requires the title parameter to be filled. I am currently workign on a new template, "List journal" to fulfill this function. DES ^(talk) 19:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I didn't mean for it to sound like I was trying to correct you DES, so sorry if it came off as such. The templates won't work properly when they aren't used properly. As you say, there needs to be an entry for |title= for the template to work. Anyway, I was just trying to say that templates can be used to format bibliographies, etc., but they themselves have to be formatted correctly for things to work right. Your idea of "List journal" sounds like a good one. Good luck. - Marchjuly (talk) 22:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Verbistheword:}, @Marchjuly: I have now created {{List journal}} and used it extensivly in this list article. What do you think of the result? DES ^(talk) 05:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

DES, I think it's a brilliant solution! Thank you, Marchjuly, for your help, too. To make it easier for other editors who encounter this error, I added a mention of the new template in the help section where I was previously directed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbistheword (talk • contribs) 13:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Dash –

Why do I see – so often? Do users not have access to that dash (–)? —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: According to MOS:EMDASH, either spaced en dashes – like these – or unspaced em dashes—like these—are acceptable in Wikipedia articles (though the usage should be consistent within any individual article). In the real world the en-dash style is perhaps more common in older and in British books. Deor (talk) 09:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I see what has happened here. The nowiki things did not work. I was talking about this but without the space: & ndash;. You will also see what I'm referring to in my post if you look at it in edit mode. Why would somebody type "&n dash;" instead of just "–"?. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: OK, now I see what you're getting at. The – is the HTML code for an en dash (note that <code></code> rather than nowiki tags has to be used to display such code). The answer to your question is that some people just prefer to do it that way; see Wikipedia:How to make dashes#Long explanation. According to MOS:DASH, either method can be used. I myself prefer to click on the "Insert" characters below the edit box. Deor (talk) 09:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

translating dutch to english

I have found my grandfather on Wikipedia but it is in dutch and I unfortunately only speak English. Is there a way to translate articles to english? Joseph Karl Richter is the article.101.171.255.250 (talk) 07:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, 101.171.255.250. The correct spelling of the Dutch Wikipedia article's title is "Josef Karl Richter". You can go to Google Translate, select "Dutch" above the left-hand dialog box and "English" above the right-hand one, then paste the article's URL into the left box and click on the matching URL in the right box. The translation that provides looks adequate. Perhaps someone will get around to creating an article on the English Wikipedia before too long. Deor (talk) 10:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• Hi 101.171.255.250 If you do not wish to do yourself Wikipedia:Translation suggests the option to request someone else create the page via a request at Requested articles Project section. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 10:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I'd be happy to get a draft going today. I will link it here as soon as I have started. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

It's done - Josef Karl Richter -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:00, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The referencing could do with some improvement - I took them over "as is" from the Dutch article per AGF. Five are in German, one English and none are online. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Please help (new bio draft)

Hello wikipedia community members. I have just created my first account and I have no idea how to proceed. I have written a short biography of the chairman of the State Emergency Management Agency in Borno State, Nigeria whose sole responsibility is the resettlement of the internally displaced people due to the insurgency of the boko haram. I seek the help of magnanimous and experienced editors/users in order to setup the page. I also have the subject's written permission to publish the article as well as his picture. Please help! Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammeerah (talk • contribs) 06:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Ammeerah. You don't appear to have put your draft anywhere on Wikipedia yet, so I can't look at it and make comments. But in general, I would say, first of all read your first article, and if you decide after reading that the subject is suitable for a Wikipedia article, use the article wizard, which will help you create it in Draft space, and let you request a review when you think it is ready to be released.

Some general points I would make:

• Every single piece of information in the article should be individually referenced to a reliable published source. If you know something, but you cannot find a published source, don't put it in.
• Apart from uncontroversial factual data like dates and places, every single piece of information should be cited to a source unconnected with the subject.
• If you cannot find any sources to meet the criteria above, then the subject is not at present notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and will not be accepted.
• The text should be neutrally written: no promotional or evaluative words should be used (unless they are specifically what an independent reliable published source has said about the subject).
• All sides of whatever has been published about the subject in reliable places should be referred to: critical as well as supportive.
• The subject's permission is neither sought nor needed. Information from the subject should not be used unless it has been published as above.
• Pictures are welcome, but Wikipedia is very precise about copyright. An image can normally only be used if the copyright holder (who is usually the photographer rather than the subject), has explicitly released it under a suitable licence: see donating copyright materials.

If you have further questions, please come back here and ask! --ColinFine (talk) 10:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I have moved this question from the bottom to its proper chronological place and altered the heading to be a bit more distinctive. DES ^(talk) 15:33, 13 June 2015 (UTC)