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adding photo to profile

I just tried to upload a photo via commons and add it to the bio of David Gregory. I am not sure why it isn't showing up. Can you help? Elephants3 (talk) 17:41, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

@Elephants3: Hello, thumbnails don't work inside galleries (not sure why, probably for some technical reason) so I've fixed the picture for you. Hope this helps! Winner 42 Talk to me! 18:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I don't see it there though--did you add it to this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gregory_(journalist) Elephants3 (talk) 18:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Yea I moved it down to a lower section on the page so it would be below the infobox. Winner 42 Talk to me! 19:06, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
@Winner 42: Sigh. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 07:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Blocking policy - told I'm not blocked but I am

Hi. I am not a regular Wikipedia user nor a tech-savvy person, but here goes. I came home from work to something of a tempest in a teapot at my home. Hence I am visiting your teahouse.

Apparently, my son had inserted the word 'poop' twice into a Doctor Who wikia page using his older brother's ipad. As a result, and much to his distress, my older son was blocked from editing for six months by an admin. I yelled at my 8 year old and punished him and made him very aware of the stupidity of his actions, as well as the trouble / work he caused for the people who run this site (and who had to delete those two words).

I then followed the directions to appeal the block on our user page. The appeal was denied because the person responding said the IP address is not blocked. They also accused me, obliquely, of lying about what happened by directing me to a wikipedia page about blaming siblings / other people for blocks. I get that some people probably do lie, but that doesn't mean everyone does. And I'd like to think this site isn't full of wholly cynical people. After all, you volunteer your time and energy to assemble knowledge for anyone - anywhere - for free.

In any event, at my son's urging, I attempted to contact the admin who blocked him directly. But it was a Catch-22 situation. When I tried to send a message, the red 'You're blocked' box popped up, with the block ID and our blocked IP address.

I am trying to figure out why the person who reviewed our block told us we aren't blocked despite the fact that we clearly are, and I'd also like to know what to do about it. My older son has made a lot of contributions to wikipedia and would like to create his own account and edit again. Unfortunately, the block prevents him from doing so.

The block ID in the red box is 6084 The IP address is 216.36.2.169 The admin who blocked us is Shambala108

Meanwhile, just wondering if you could shed some light on the whole 'you're not blocked! / you are blocked!' confusion.

Thanks for your help. -Marilee Hanson216.36.2.169 (talk) 19:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

IP addresses especially on mobile devices change all the time. Firstly Wikia and Wikipedia are NOT the same thing, so are you in the right place? Second, my suggestion would be to have your older son create an account, rather than editing as an unregistered user. He may have to do this on a different device (such as a computer not in your house). He is actually much more anonymous with a username than posting as an unregistered user. No info is ever disclosed to anyone (with the usual legal exceptions regarding warrants etc) about registered accounts, but when you post unregistered, the IP address you post from is used to identify your post. Much can be found out with an IP address. Others may have a different soulution, but that is what I would do with y own kids (along with monitoring their internet activities closer). John from Idegon (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
WIKIA is a different website from WIKIPEDIA although they use similar software. If you are blocked on Wikia, Wikipedia cannot help you, you must follow Wikia's process to request to be unblocked.--ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
This is English Wikipedia, which is not affiliated with the Doctor Who Wikia. By the sounds of it, they/you are blocked from Doctor Who Wikia (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki), and you would need to go there to request an unblock- unfortunately I have no idea how their unblocking system works. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
D'oh! Thank you for explaining that. I had no idea. Thanks!216.36.2.169 (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Marilee, just a completely off-tangent comment. I know the Doctor Who Wikia and the administrators there are quick to block accounts for any perceived infringement. It's pretty tightly controlled. Don't be too hard on your younger son, kids do dumb stuff all of the time and hopefully, they learn from it. Liz Read! Talk! 20:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Now I feel very idiotic for not knowing they're not the same thing.

As I said, I'm NOT tech-savvy. :-)

Thanks to all of you for explaining.216.36.2.169 (talk) 19:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

[More ▼] button

I'm viewing Wikipedia with the "Vector" skin, and depending on the type of page I'm viewing, I get a varying section of tabs at the top next to the search field. On a typical article I see [Read][Edit][View History][☆][More ▼][Page ▼]. Each of these I use daily—except for [More ▼], which I don't even remotely understand. I've tried searching for documentation on its functionality, but haven't found anything. Might someone here know? Thanks! —jameslucas (" " / +) 21:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. For me, the more button contains "move", my teahouse tools and my AfC tools. I guess you might have those functionalities under Page? Happy Squirrel (talk) 21:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Move is indeed under [Page ▼], and I'm not involved in AfC review, so I don't have any related tools. Is the implication that I simply have an empty menu? That seems a little inefficient but not hard to fathom. Thanks—jameslucas (" " / +) 21:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey James. If you use the default display, move is under the More tab. However if at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets under Appearance you have ticked   "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar with links to common tasks, analytic tools and logs", the More tab will be empty and move and others will appear under the Page tab. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Awesome tip—it looks like the path to answers lies at WP:MOREMENU. Cheers —jameslucas (" " / +) 23:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

umm... don't think this is the right place to ask but...

Will I be infringing copyright if I use photos/illustrations found on Wikipedia? Does anybody know or could they direct me to somewhere where I could get the answer, please? 92.7.248.247 (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. This is a very good place to ask! Unfortunately, the answer to the question is "it depends". Most pictures in Wikipedia are licensed in such a way that you can use them freely, as long as you attribute the source; but a minority are subject to copyright, and used in Wikipedia under a fair use justification - these you may not normally reuse. If you pick on any picture it should take you to its description page, which will make it clear whether or not the image is free for use. Please see reusing Wikipedia content for more information, --ColinFine (talk) 23:57, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

How do I rate an article?

After adding information, citations and links to my article, I would like to rate it as a c-class page...or get someone to review and rate it as b-class, if it qualifies. U.S. Committee of the Blue Shield. Imachrischan (talk) 02:30, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

It certainly appears to be at least a C to me, Imachrischan. It is outside my field of expertice, but it does meet C criteria easily. If you want it reviewed for a B, contact the wikiprojects listed on the talk page for advice. John from Idegon (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
If you are a major contributor to the article it is better to leave the rating to someone else who is not emotionally invested in it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

How do I find articles that have been tagged?

Is there a way to pull out those articles that have say a {{BLP sources}} or {{Notability}} tag that have been placed in a Project via a banner on the Talk page? plange (talk) 03:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello plange. The way I do it is to go to Template:BLP sources (for example) and then click on the "What links here" link in the Tools section of the left sidebar. —teb728 t c 04:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually I was hoping to find out if there was a way to narrow it down by project. Right now that would give me every article with that tag, and I was wondering if there was a way to only see those articles that have been tagged by a certain project plange (talk) 05:10, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
@Plange: Categories like Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability should have filled subcategories that you can browse like Category:Book articles with topics of unclear notability‎ but it seems no one is sorting them... EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 07:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi plange. Go to CatScan2. Place your article category (without "category:") in the field for Categories (like "BLP articles lacking sources from February 2015"). Place your talk page banner template name (without "template:") in the field for Templates (like "WikiProject College football"), and then tick the box for "Use talk pages instead". Go to the bottom of the page and click on Do it!. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
@Fuhghettaboutit:. Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for! And it even has a link to auto-run a pre-made query if I want, which I do! This will be helpful--I can just format some of these ahead of time, and then place the links for others to see the results (without having to code it) in my WikiProject maintenance page! plange (talk) 13:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Great, glad this fits the bill.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Reverting

Hey. How do you revert multiple edits at once (example: 2)? There has been more than one occasion where I have had to revert 2 or more edits in a row. I'm sure there is a way without those fancy things they call "Twinkle" and "STiki". —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: While I ofcourse reccomend that fancy thing called Twinkle, you can click on the revision you want to revert to (the link should look like 05:10, 3 June 2015) then edit and save that revision using the edit tab thus wiping any edits made after it. You can also use the (prev) button then click the edit link on the diff you wish to revert to. Once again, I recommend TW, it doesn't require rollback rights or anything fancy, but these methods will work too. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 07:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Need to add more content to info box

Hi,

I am trying to edit a movie page called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Tanakpur_Haazir_Ho. Need to add the following 3 lines in the info box but cant do it

| Story = Vinod Kapri/Abhishek Sharma | Screenplay = Vinod Kapri/Varun Gautam | Dialogues = Vinod Kapri / Varun Gautam

Can some one help

Jeetendra25 (talk) 09:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jeetendra25, welcome to the Teahouse. Miss Tanakpur Haazir Ho uses Template:Infobox film. A template can only use the parameters it has code for. They are documented on the template page in this and most other cases. Capitalization matters. There are parameters story and screenplay but not dialogues. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Proper way to handle vandalism

I recently applied for rollback rights but had my submission denied by a user stating that he had seen no "recent" vandalism contributions on my page, and that warnings must be given to all vandals I report (wrong word?). He also suggested that I reapply in a few weeks time. As you can see in my contributions page, I've been reverting quite a few edits in the past few hours or so (I plan on doing much more), however I do feel like something is missing from the whole process.

Here are a few questions

  1. Is a warning required for every vandal? I've seen cluebot place a warning, however it doesn't look like a template
  2. Is a summary required for every reversion?
  3. Am I missing a step in the reversion process?
  4. What is a AGF rollback?
  5. Difference between normal rollback and vandalism rollback? (twinkle) Every time I use one of the features - in their assumed proper usage - I notice that the summary messages are pretty much identical.

-PotatoNinja(talk) 11:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi PotatoNinja123. To address each of these (I've converted your bulleted list to numbers to make it clear what I'm answering):
  1. Until you get really experienced, yes (and even then, almost always yes). There are templates you can use in the {{uw-vandal}} series (which are also available through Twinkle when you're on a user talkpage).
  2. Yes, but the automated summary ("reverted/undid edits by User:x") that you get when you use Twinkle or the undo function is generally considered sufficient.
  3. Not sure what you mean here. The steps for anti-vandalism used by the CVUA are Identify, Revert, Warn, Report - do all four and you've got the hang of it.
  4. AGF (WP:AGF, just in case you didn't already know the acronym) rollback is for instances where you need to revert several edits by a user but they aren't actually vandalising (for example, if they try to add information but break a bunch of templates in the process).
  5. The vandalism rollback option opens the user's talkpage so you can place a warning - the regular rollback option doesn't.
You might find my anti-vandalism essay and the counter-vandalism unit usefuls sources for more information. Yunshui 雲水 13:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Well I used {{subst:Uw-vandalism3}} for the first warning I issued. Is this template standard? And how do you report a vandal? (To possibly get him blocked)
{{uw-vandalism3}} is a bit harsh for a first warning (the convention is to escalate, so you start with {{uw-vandal1}}, then {{uw-vandal2}} and so on). After {{uw-vandal4}}, you should report them, which is done at WP:ANI WP:AIV. Yunshui 雲水 13:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Slight correct to Yunshui, obvious vandals should be reported to WP:AIV not to WP:ANI. Winner 42 Talk to me! 13:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Winner 42; got me acronyms muddled up! Yunshui 雲水 14:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Proper ways to create an article

You shall be careful to create because some article are deleted because of advertisement copying and make sure no on this article are false statement. Nothing7898 (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Nothing7898, absolutely correct. That is why it is often suggested that people read Wikipedia:your first article before starting an article and compile and submit it through Wikipedia:Articles for creation so that issues can be picked up before the article is published. Nthep (talk) 12:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

i need it to be answered

I've got a Question. how do you make a article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maisiesdragon (talk • contribs) 18:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Could an admin please redact this users birthdate and age on her user talk page. Theroadislong (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
See instructions at Wikipedia:Your_first_article. Articles must be about WP:NOTABLE topics, and should cite WP:RS. You should also probably start working in your sandbox, until the article is good enough to not be quickly deleted. Feel free to as at the Wikipedia:Help_desk if you need further assistance. SemanticMantis (talk) 19:11, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Updating information on a page about fish I study

My name is Randal Singer and I recently published a scientific article about the loach genus Acanthocobitis and Paracanthocobitis and I would like to upload accurate photos of the fish described and to also edit information about this genus of fish. I was able to edit content, but I am unable to upload photos. Please help! Thanks.

Randy

Melanostomias (talk) 14:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse! Thank you for wanting to help out. You will have to become autoconfirmed (4 days and 10 edits) before you can upload pictures. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to edit. Happy editing!
@Melanostomias: Wikipedia would love to have your pictures, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed as said above (I know its annoying, but its needed to prevent spam) or if you prefer you can use the Wikipedia:Files for upload process. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:25, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I did just as @Winner 42 h my updated pages can be viewed in the entry for Paracanthocobitis already! :) Melanostomias (talk) 15:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Melanostomias, perhaps you already know about it, but in case you don't I'd like to invite you to take a look at WP:WikiProject Fishes where you'd find fellow fish specialists, please feel free to join in any of the discussions there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)\
The images should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so that they are available for use on all our projects. Commons has no autoconfirmation requirement.--ukexpat (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

How do you create your own article?

I tried the sandbox button but it didn't work. Can you please explain how to create a page?My Van Has Candy (talk) 19:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi User:My Van Has Candy, welcome to Wikipedia. Currently your sandbox contains a single short phrase, please read the WP:My first article guide and continue working in your sandbox. When you think it's ready to be reviewed, there is a blue button at the top of the page that will add the page to the review queue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

My Personal Website is the Number 2 Alternative News Site in Canada, Can I Create An Article?

I'm the CEO of Winnipeg Alternative Media inc. WinnipegAlternativeMedia.com is the 2nd largest alternative media in Canada. We talk to both the community and renowned names alike. We're the biggest activist hub in the city of Winnipeg and are well known for our documentaries and reports. Due to how well WAM is known in Canada, I figured it's time to create an article on Wikipedia about it. However, I saw the rule that said I couldn't create articles about a personal website. Are there exceptions? I've been personally editing Wikipedia for 10 years with different accounts. Never ran into any problems and have created some rather large articles, so I don't want to suddenly be restricted from posting further articles. Thank you and have a great day! Altmediajunky (talk) 20:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Altmediajunky. Please limit yourself to a single account in the future, unless you have a policy compliant need for an alternate account. In your case, please use the Articles for Creation process. Write a draft article, and listen to the input of reviewers. Build your draft article based on coverage of your website by independent reliable sources. What you write about yourself does not establish notability. It is what unrelated newspapers and magazines in Winnipeg and nationally write about you that counts. You have a conflict of interest. Declare it, and defer to the judgment of neutral editors. If you take that path, you will not be blocked. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
If you have been editing Wikipedia for ten years under different accounts, it is remarkable that you didn't realize that the use of multiple accounts to edit Wikipedia is deprecated in the vast majority of cases. See the policy on multiple accounts. If you really didn't know until now, please study before using multiple accounts again. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:47, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Wait, there are legitimate uses for multiple accounts, the most common one being that you forgot the password to an account, so created a new one. Using more than one account simultaneously is not permitted though. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually even saying that "Using more than one account simultaneously is not permitted" is an overstatement. Many people have separate accounts for use on public computers. Some admins maintian non-admin accounts to get a 'newbie's view" of pages. Bot-runners often maintain separate bot accounts. Some people maintain alternate accounts for editing controversial topics that they don't want freinds and family knowing that they edit. AQll of these are legitimate. All except the last are openly declared, as a rule. DES (talk) 19:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Requesting to change information on White Sands Missile Range page

I am a Public Affairs Specialist out at White Sands Missile Range and it was recently brought to my attention that the page is outdated. I would like to updated the General section with our new general but I was told it would be a conflict of interest. How can I go about making the change? 155.148.47.221 (talk) 22:19, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

What you did – posting to the talk page – was perfect. Posting here of course drew more attention and I've made the change. For future reference, if you post to a talk page and want to draw more attention to it (which is often wise since many talk pages are only on a few watchlists), you can post a helpme request alongside the post by placing there {{helpme}} or even more targeted, the template {{Request edit}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:06, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello 155.148.47.221: and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that editing with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged but not prohibited, provided you declare this. You can declare your conflict of interest on Talk:White Sands Missile Range and request that the information be updated, and when there is consensus to do so you can either update it yourself or, preferably, get another editor to update it for you. In order to gain consensus you need to take on board any legitimate concerns other editors may have, but do not need for them to unanimously agree with you. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Non-controversial edits detail that you may make non-controversial edits; that is, edits which no other editors object to. If you are simply updating information this is unlikely to be objected to. However, a reliable source will be needed to back up this information, and the source will need to be independent from the article's subject. For a source to be reliable (see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources), it needs to be a published third-party source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Sources need to be third-party-entirely independent from the subject being covered-for example, a newspaper reporter could mention the name of the new general and their becoming a new general in an article in no context other than as their capacity as a reporter. I hope this helps. Rubbish computer 23:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say some of this information is incorrect Rubbish Computer. Primary sources may at times be the most reliable sources one can use. A source is not rendered unreliable because it is dependent or first party, and primary sources are absolutely proper for use and citation. I think the mix up here comes from the caveats we have about primary sources, such as that they should not be used for analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims; they can be self-serving, and so must be used with care; and the fact that have little to no utility to demonstrate notability (because writing about oneself or something one has a stake in does not show the world taking note of the topic). Here, the source suggested, and that I used, is a non-independent, primary source (the U.S. Army, writing about itself), cited for a plain fact of who is in charge of a base, and appears entirely reliable for that non-analytic/interpretive/synthetic purpose, entirely unrelated to notability of the topic. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Overlinking

On Patron saints of occupations and activities as with some other pages I believe there are too many wikilinks regardless of whether or not a template states this, so the number of wikilinks should be reduced. WP:OVERLINKING does not cover this either way and the answers here did not cite any other guidelines on this. Are there further guidelines on overlinking that make this clear one way or the other, if there are where are they and if not why not? Thanks, Rubbish computer 22:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi RC. Yes you are free to clean up problems you find whether or not someone else has tagged them before you. Thanks for your work! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@TheRedPenOfDoom:I have been reverted and I have reverted this back as there is no clear reason why I was reverted. Are there further guidelines than the page WP:Overlinking?

You should discuss this on the article's talk page. Your most recent edit summary even says "Rv:See Talk", but yet you did not start a discussion on the talk page? RudolfRed (talk)

@RudolfRed: I meant the user in question's Talk page but I will now put this on the Talk page. Thanks. Rubbish computer 00:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion, Rubbish computer, that article suffers from a problem much worse than overlinking, and that is an extreme shortage of references. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

The problem regarding overlinking has been resolved; I reverted myself and removed the template as the article is a list rather than prose. There is, however, a lack of references. Rubbish computer 11:09, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

why my article does not accept?

I have written one article about real estate company that I think it should be notify in Wikipedia page. But I can't understand, why my article does not accept? I try to write short and will develop on the article. But it said the article decline. Please help me and explain to me more about writing article.momo 01:58, 4 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mokawn. Most of the references in your draft article are worthless for establishing notability. Several are from websites controlled by the company and are not independent. The Bloomberg reference is a routine directory listing based on information provided by the company. The Thanh Nien News item is the best, but it is a report on a business deal, almost certainly generated by a press release. None provide significant, independent coverage of the company itself.
Are you by chance affiliated with the company? If so, please declare your conflict of interest.
It is also important that articles on the English Wikipedia be written in standard English prose. Please work on that. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:07, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I am not affiliated with the company. By some chance I have read the founder's (Vikrom Kromadit) book called "Be a Better Man" by which has been translate into English and Burmese languages. Thus I think it is good for me to start writing the article and practice to make it better for the future writing. momo 06:13, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Then I encourage you to search for better sources, which can be in any language, not just English. Articles in general circulation newspapers and business journals in any language would be good possibilities. If you can establish notability, then other editors can help with copy editing the prose after you have done your best. Keep us informed. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mokawn. Your article is better than a lot I have seen as a starting article which is why I would like to help. I see there are a number of Wikipedia:Reliable Sources here and here. I would recommend looking over the pages and adding only sourced content or supporting citations to content already on the article. You could also add "-press release" to the searches so that you don't have to sort through the press releases, since they are not a valid source anyway. Once you have sourced almost everything I would recommend removing any content that does not have a valid source. Jadeslair (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

a bot to check the references list

I remember using a built-in bot to check the validity of the references list of one of the Wikipedia articles. I don't seem to recall its name or how I got to know about it. I need help finding it. Rami.shareef (talk) 05:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

@Rami.shareef: Hi and welcome, can you remember which article(s) you used the bot on? TeaLover1996 (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
@TeaLover1996: I used it on Monmouth College Article Rami.shareef (talk) 17:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
@Rami.shareef: Can you remember the date/time you made the edit? TeaLover1996 (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
@TeaLover1996: It was between June and August last year Rami.shareef (talk) 18:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
@Rami.shareef: What I would suggest is:
  • 1:Go to the article
  • 2:Click the view history tab
  • 3:Go as far back as is possible until you find your name next to an edit between the months you specified

To assist you, I will look soon when I have time, I am relatively busy at the moment, if you do find it before I do, then please let me know to save me from wasting time. Thank You TeaLover1996 (talk) 19:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

@TeaLover1996: No problem and thanks for your assistance! Rami.shareef (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit Wars

Which Twinkle message warns a user about edit warring, I cannot seem to find it. Cheers   TeaLover1996 (talk) 06:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

@Snowager: Cheers TeaLover1996 (talk) 06:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
That however does not answer his question.. You told him how to report someone for edit warring using twinkle. He asked how to warn them for it. You do that by clicking the warn tab, and then in the top dialouge box go to "Single issue warnings". Once you have selected that, the bottom dialouge box will give you several choices. One for actually crossing 3RR, one with softer wording for a newcomer, and the standard one for edit warring. Hope that helps, TeaLover1996. John from Idegon (talk) 09:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Identifying a sexual molestation victim who is still a minor

I have a question regarding Josh Duggar article. It has recently been revealed that when he was 14/15, he molested five girls. One of his victims is still a minor and does not want to be identified (went to court asking documents revealing her identity to be destroyed and judge ruled in her favor). Yet recently released information (that she was his sister, month/year when it happened, her age at the time) easily identifies her and some sites have already started stating her name.

Personally I believe her identity should be protected, but what is Wikipedia's policy on this? Should her name he stated? If not, should her age he stated (thus easily leading to her name)? If not, how about statement "much younger sister" (which again leads directly to her since she was the only 'much younger sister' who was born at that time)?

Would WP:AVOIDVICTIM apply? If so, what would it protect? We're talking about a minor who's expresed a wish not to be identified - at this point, what can Wikipedia do to avoid "participating in or prolonging the victimization"?

Thanks, 14nights (talk) 06:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

IMHO identifying details should clearly be omitted. As a project we do sometimes seem to be obsessed with including such details when they are clearly inappropriate for any number of reasons.--ukexpat (talk) 12:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for coming to the Teahouse with your question 14nights. Please feel free to edit out those comments as soon as you can, I certainly concur with your observations. In the past I had some concerns on some biographies of living persons that the names of the children and the school they attended were part of the article. I deleted the content and explained why in the editing summary, not wanting to draw attention to the fact that I did so on the talk page. If I were a famous person, I would not like the 7 billion people on the planet to have access to that kind of information on my own children. I'm not sure of any Wikipedia policy that I can cite that would support this action of mine, but I did the bold thing and I have a pretty good feeling about it.
  Bfpage |leave a message  14:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
One further thought - we should ask for this material to be oversighted so that it does not appear in the article's edit history. If an oversighter happens to read this, you thoughts please.--ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I sent a message to the oversighters. This discussion might itself be oversighted. Liz Read! Talk! 17:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Help with a reverted edit

Can anyone explain why an established editor would go against WP:COMMONNAME? I made an edit[1], but was reverted [2] with no reason given. I made the edit because Pepa-n-Salt is NOT what they are known by. I have also asked the editor[3] about it. 65.24.44.45 (talk) 15:46, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse! You did the right thing by asking on the editor's talk page - I would wait for a response, there's no rush. But note that I would also keep in mind the guidelines you pointed to yourself (edit summary / good faith). In the spirit of good faith, I imagine it's simply a case of misunderstanding. If you had explained why you re-arranged the two artists, you may not have been reverted. Of course, this doesn't exactly make reverting without explanation the right thing to do either, but if everyone took the effort to better explain their edits, there would be far fewer cases of confusion. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 15:58, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
The editor has responded[4] with reasoning that goes against WP:COMMONNAME, and I have explained this to the editor and asked for him to undo his reversion. If he refuses, what's the next step? 65.24.44.45 (talk) 16:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
So far, you are handling this dispute correctly. Content disputes happen every day on Wikipedia. The next step is to begin a discussion on the article talk page where you present your argument for your edit. Hopefully, editors who have this page on their Watchlists will participate and you can arrive at a group consensus. This is part of the normal dispute resolution process. If there is no consensus, come back here and ask about going to WP:Dispute resolution or WP:3O. This part of editing can seem a bit tedious but it is an essential element of collaborative editing on Wikipedia. Liz Read! Talk! 17:07, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I have also written a message on the article talk page about this. It disturbs me that established editors can make changes like this (seeming WP:IAR) and think they are in the right. Seems to me his reasoning is made up to justify his reversion. 65.24.44.45 (talk) 17:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss their reasoning. I'm not familiar with the subject, but their reasoning with their reversion sounds pretty solid to me. It's valuable to always be open to others' perspectives before jumping to conclusions. As for your links, IAR actually says that you should ignore the rules if it stops you from improving the encyclopedia (thought I don't think any rules or guidelines are being ignored here), and WP:MADEUP discusses how you shouldn't write about non-notable things you came up with one day. Liz is right about what your next step should be - if you still disagree with Mymis, consider bringing it up on the article's talk page. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
It seems that I ws in the wrong here - I was taking his reversion the wrong way, and not applying "simple logic", in that the article is a "competition show", so I got "tunnel vision" as to how they should have been listed. He made changes to the article that clears things up. Thanks to everyone who commented. 65.24.44.45 (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Question about conflict of interests

My idea is to write article in the history part of the Republic of Macedonia, mainly about one of the people who was directly part of the Second World War, in the creation of pillars of independent Macedonian state and former minister of economy after WWII. The question about conflict of interests terms I want to ask is that person about whom I want to write is my deceased grandfather. The sources I will use about that article are books, personal notes and police files about him and will be written on macedonian language. As his niece do I have conflict of interest in this situation or not? If I have a conflict by your rules, can somebody else contribute an article about him and who? 92.53.16.45 (talk) 17:13, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi person editing from IP 92.53.16.45. Yes, you have a conflict of interest, you being his niece and wanting to write to exalt your uncle is about the very definition of a conflict of interest. If this article were for this Wikipedia, I would tell you that you cannot write from personal notes of any kind, unless they have been reputably published. A core policy is verifiability (mk:Википедија:Проверливост), which requires that all content (whether actually cited to a source or not), must be able to be checked against a reliable source (mk: Википедија:Наведување на извори) – because Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia and therefore a tertiary source, does not contain original research, but summarizes existing mainstream knowledge about a topic; it provides a survey of information already the subject of publication in the wider world.

In any event, since you say you are planning to write this article in Macedonian, it would not be hosted here, but at the Macedonian Wikipedia. Each language Wikipedia has its own policies (and is a separate site) so you need to familiarize yourself with their policies and guidelines. They do not appear to have any type of a help desk there, but see mk:Википедија:Вашата прва статија for their page on writing your first article. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Just a note, if what you mean is that the sources will be in Macedonian, but the material you plan to write will be in English, that is acceptable... it is permitted to use non-English sources on the English Wikipedia. Otherwise you should follow the advice provided by Fuhgettaboutit. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

insertion of Google map coordinate of a place

How can I insert Google map of a place I'm contributing on. I also need help on to add the "quick facts" drop-down on the page. Okekezi Kamalu (talk) 22:09, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

@Okekezi Kamalu: You can't insert an actual Google map in an article, since those maps are copyrighted. What we do is insert a coordinate template (or coordinates in an infobox, which I think is what you mean by your reference to a "quick facts" drop-down). That displays the coordinates of the place at the top of the page, linking to a GeoHack page on which readers can find links to a number of mapping services, including Google Maps.
You'll probably want to use Template:Infobox settlement in your article. One way to do this is to go to a similar article—for instance Arochukwu—click on "edit this page", copy the template code at the top of the page, and then paste it into your page, changing or deleting the information in the individual fields as appropriate.
In a quick look, I can't determine exactly where Isu Okeke is located, or I'd add the coordinates to your draft, but you say that part of it is in or near Ututu, which is at 5°25′55″N 7°54′54″E / 5.432°N 7.915°E / 5.432; 7.915. If you go to GeoLocator, you can paste those coordinates into the dialog box, click "Apply", move the marker to the correct location, and then read the coordinates, which you can then enter into the appropriate infobox fields. If you need further help, you can ask here or on my talk page. Deor (talk) 00:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

worthy or not?

My client has just finished his autobiography and thinks he should have a page in Wikipedia. He's a self-made guy and at 75 has done more than most people: from a small-town child in India to a multi-millionare in the USA. But he is NOT a famous star. Can he "get in"?88.2.50.91 (talk) 17:58, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi User:88.2.50.91, take the time to read the help page Notability on Wikipedia, this should give you an idea of what is and what is not notable. Any more questions feel free to ask. TeaLover1996 (talk) 19:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Are there any reliable sources that other people have written about him? Because we require significant, independent coverage from reliable sources, just quoting his autobiography wouldn't show notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Also, if you're planning to write it for your client, please read WP:COI. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Two more bits:
1) Given that he has written a book, the book itself might become eligible for an article if there are significant reviews in the major bibliophile press
2)the agent should make themselves aware of and follow the terms of service [5] -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
There is nobody in the world who "should have" a page on Wikipedia, because there is nobody in the world who has a page in Wikipedia. Wikipedia has articles on huge numbers of people, but this is a different thing: it is about whether it is good for Wikipedia to have the article (because the subject is notable in Wikipedia's sense), not about whether it is good for the subject for there to be an article. And, by the way, "worthy" does not enter into the question. Wikipedia has articles on the most praiseworthy people, and also on some of the most depraved. The question is only whether there has been enough writing about the subject to base an article on. --ColinFine (talk) 09:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Archive question

Shouldn't some of the sections on my talk page been archived by now? Especially the one from February. I set it up the bot recently and I feel like it isn't right. —DangerousJXD (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello DangerousJXD The bot archived a large portion of your talk page on June 3rd. The only thing from February that it didn't archive is your welcome message. Some bots ignore or can't handle big templates like that one. If you don't want it on your talk page anymore your best bet is to archive it manually. This is just one editors suggestion and you may get others. MarnetteD|Talk 02:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I will wait for others as you said but that wasn't my original welcome message. That's my 3rd. The 1st was a first welcome message that I received shortly after starting editing. I received two more from getting told about picture uploading. —DangerousJXD (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
So I tried archiving it manually but I can't paste all the writing. Can somebody do it for me please? Link of me removing it from my talk page. As stated, it isn't my first welcome and is from February so put it in the correct position. —DangerousJXD (talk) 02:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I finished the move for you DangerousJXD. It looks like you had received that message once before from Bagumba but it does no harm to have it in the archive more than once. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 03:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very very much. —DangerousJXD (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
You are welcome. MarnetteD|Talk 04:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I ask the same thing about the "An answer to your Query" section. Shouldn't that have been archived by now as well? It has been 33 days by my count since that post. I can't help but feel It isn't right. I will be convinced it's fine when it archives without any issues. —DangerousJXD (talk) 01:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I've removed a <br>...</br> from it to see if that gets the bot to pick it up in a few hours... If so then maybe that user should be told to take the <br>...</br> out of their signature... If not, I'm stumped. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:10, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I believe that user has left, EoRdE6. I hope that fixes it. Of note is I have messages in my first talk page archive from that user. My guess is they were archived because I posted on them as well; I don't care for fancy signatures. That is the only message I received from that user that I did not post on and hasn't been archived. I have another on my talk but I posted on it so that is fine. —DangerousJXD (talk) 02:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Additions to DR Ashok Gulati's profile done on 8 May, still not showing up

Hi..We Updated Profile, picture for Dr. Ashok Gulati on May 8, 2015 and names of books written by him but the changes are still not showing on his pre-existing profile.Even profile picture is not visible on his page. Could you advise and help.Sincerely, Priti Rajput from ICRIER 203.92.34.114 (talk) 05:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi 203.92.34.114. If you click on the "View history" tab at the top of Ashok Gulati you'll see that the edits you made were reverted by an editor named Materialscientist because you failed to provide independent, reliable sources in support of the changes you made. Even if you know something to be true, it's still very important that the information you add to articles, particularly articles about living people, be verifiable through reliable sources. Please take a look at Wikipedia's five pillars if you're new to Wikipedia and not quite yet sure on to how it works. If you would like to discuss specific reasons why your edits were reverted, then please feel free to do so at Talk:Ashok Gulati. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Furthermore, as you are from ICRIER, you have a potential conflict of interest in editing the article about your Chairman. Please read that policy and follow it.
In addition, the language you used "sharpest and most respected" "blunt judgments" "in the thick of" etc. is not the encyclopedic neutral point of view we need.
Finally, not only did you not add any references, to support your additions, you actually deleted 9 of the 10 references that were in the article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Priti, it might help you to understand what is going on if you realise that Wikipedia does not contain profiles. It contains articles, which are neutrally written, drawn mostly from sources independent of the subject, and may contain material that the subject would prefer not to be there, if it has been reliably published. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I enjoyed the calm way that the three editors responded to the new user's question, without berating him or appearing supercilious. We need more interactions like this. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Opening a user talk page after reverting using twinkle

Every single time I make a reversion, a few sentences in green appear on the page stating that it is "opening user talk page form", or something along those lines. Obviously what I want is to be able to have the vandal's talk page ready in front of my face so I can issue out a warning without having to revisit the page history. I have also tried modifying my twinkle preferences, but to no avail. Thanks, PotatoNinja(talk) 13:20, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

It should pop open a new tab - you might want to check your browser settings, as they may be preventing this popup. Yunshui 雲水 13:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
It turns out that chrome was blocking every single pop-up on wikipedia. Everything is much easier now. Thanks for the help! -PotatoNinja(talk) 15:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I am glad you asked that question, PotatoNinja, because I have been wondering the same thing. And, you, Yunshui, for suggesting the answer. Before you go, would you care to have a cuppa tea? Then I have to go check my browser setting. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Correctly referring to translated article sections

I could not find a specific answer to this question so far and hope that there is at least a guideline: If I do not translate a whole page, but only one or several subsections from Wikipedia in another language, how should I mark this? I.e. should I ask for importation of the page history? Thanks a lot in advance for the help! AeAnBr (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

@AeAnBr: You use the normal translated text template (Template:Translated page), and add the parameter "|section=".
So for example instead of {{Eiffel Tower|fr|Tour Eiffel}} if you translated the whole French Eiffel Tower page, it would be {{Eiffel Tower|fr|Tour Eiffel|section=Historique}} if you just translated the History section. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the answer. AeAnBr (talk) 17:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
@AeAnBr: You should post that template on the talk page, but it is also important that you include an edit summary providing copyright attribution by linking to the source of the translation. So, when you create the page, you can use an edit summary like this (using French as an example): Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of French article]]; see its history for attribution. For more on this, please see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand how to create a page!

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia and I'm having trouble figuring out how to create a page. The pages that I've looked at are jargon and make no sense to me! I have edited many pages, like a Troye Sivan page, but MAKING A PAGE? I just don't get it! Please help me 😊 Also, it is hard trying to find a new subject to write on, (once I know how to create a page, that is!) sorry, I'm no experienced editor! Thanks, Marshamallow 360 Xxx❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshamallow 360 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Marshamallow 360, and welcome to the Teahouse! It's actually pretty simple to start a page, but it may not be the BEST way to start a new article. All registered users have a "sandbox"; you should see a link to it up at the top right of the page, near your username. You can build a page there to start; it doesn't have to be perfect, and you can invite other editors to help you with it. When you think the article is ready, you can either be bold and create the page yourself or request it be created for you at this section. Let us know if you need more information or have other questions! --McDoobAU93 17:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and here's another page to help you get ready for your first article, entitled ... you guessed it, "Your First Article". Hope it helps! --McDoobAU93 17:56, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

How to apply a ticket for a copyrighted image license

Hi Teahouse,

I uploaded a file (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transhumanist_Party_US_logo_400x400.jpg) with permission from the owner but did not initially provide the evidence. When it was asked for, I had the copyright holder send an email to the Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team at permissions-en@wikimedia.org. I have the "ticket" number for the license being received, but I do not know how to apply it on the file's page so the warning about lack of evidence goes away.

Mechanic1c (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC) Mechanic1c have you received confirmation that the licence is accepted or just the auto generated acknowledgement of your email? If it's the former then the OTRS volunteer dealing with it should have updated the image file as well. Nthep (talk) 18:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Since I am not the copyright holder, I didn't receive the email myself. The copyright holder told me it "was received," and gave me the ticket number. I think that means the former. In that case, am I just waiting for an OTRS volunteer to take care of it him or herself? How do I know this will happen before Tuesday's one-week deletion date? Thanks! Mechanic1c (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Mechanic1c it was the latter :-) but no matter I've resolved the ticket. Nthep (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch! Mechanic1c (talk) 18:48, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Removing issues/warnings from an article

How do I request an admin take a look at a page I'm editing that has been flagged for having multiple issues. It's my belief that many of the issues don't apply anymore. Esremus (talk) 20:08, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Esremus. No administrator is needed for this. If you, or any editor, believes that issues with an article have been resolved, simply remove the tags. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
(e/c) Hey Esremus. For this type of issue you do want an experienced user, but there is no administrator intervention needed or administrator tools required to make any change and so no there's need to call an administrator specifically. You can go to the article's talk page, make a new section there typing out your request for assistance, and then post above it the template {{helpme}}. If the matter is very straightforward though, for example, the article was flagged as an "orphan" and you've made links to it from ten other articles, you can simply removed that warning yourself (if you know how to do that mechanically). Some issues are really best left to the more experienced (until that's you). For example, we often see users attempt to address an article flagged as needing more sources by adding a few, where many are needed, or using unreliable sources, and so on. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

what if someone reverts my changes

hi teahouse people, on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_Canada#Toronto I removed a paragraph naming types of gangs in toronto (it had no citations and wasn't in encyclopedic tone). then someone added it back. what do I do? I'm not trying to step on any toes, I'm just trying to clean stuff up. but I don't like the idea of unverifiable content lying around forever. help? Cycloth (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

@Cycloth: Welcome to the Teahouse and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! This is what Wikipedia considers a content dispute so you should follow the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. This means that if someone reverts your edit you should discuss it with them on the talk page of the article and try to reach a consensus. Though, in my opinion, your edits were productive and helpful because Wikipedia does not allow original research and it should be removed, but perhaps the other editor has a different opinion. Winner 42 Talk to me! 00:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
thank you! how do they know that I'm talking to them on the talk page, though? and what happens if they don't respond? Cycloth (talk) 00:17, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Cycloth you can ping them, as Winner 42 did above or as I am doing here. You can also leave a message on the talk page of the editor(s) involvd, alerting them of the discussion on the talk page (after you have started it). If other editors agree, you may have a consensus, even if the reverting editor does not comment. If no one comments after a while, say 2 weeks, you can re-make your changes (once!) with "see talk page" included in the edit summary. Your talk page comments should if possible be positive in tone, focused on the reasons why you want to amke the change you favor, and not attackign other editors or their possible motives. DES (talk) 01:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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