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Confirmation

I created my account 5 days ago and i have already made 10 edits still my account is not confirmed. I want to upload a new page but i cant because of account confirmation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musab Asif (talk • contribs) 06:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Musab Asif, welcome to the Teahouse! Your account is only three days old. You must have miscounted. Let's give it a day more. In the meantime, as it's not easy to create an acceptable article without some experience, I advise using the time to familiarise yourself more with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Regards! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 06:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

You are off to a very bad start. To get to ten edits you repeatedly made minor changes to one article and then changed those back to the original. You missed reversing a few, leaving mess. An editor reverted the article to what was there before you started. If this is your idea of being a useful Wikipedia editor, does not bode well. See note on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to How do I responding to an editor threatening to block

I am trying to respond on the talk page to the rubbish reply given by Nishidani below but am being told that Nishidani is no longer active on Wikipedia. How do I proceed without engaging in an edit war? I suspect Nishidani was set up and then deleted by the author to avoid talk.

Thanks ElBeavo.

'Your edits at Eran Elhaik, are (a) a WP:OR violation, since it is original search to write up what you regard as co nclusive in a secondary source. Such a comment can only be used if it comes from independent sources. (b) It violates WP:NPOV, since you are asserting as a 'truth' one opinion in a scientific debate, (c) an opinion by Flegontov et al to which the criticized authors have responded. For these reasons, you abuse of wiki procedures on a WP:BLP article will be automatically reverted at sight, and if you persist you will be reported.Nishidani (talk) 14:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbeavo (talk • contribs)

Nishidani was around for a long time, recently retired. However, after your last insertion of the text you want in the Eran Elhaik article, a different editor reverted it. The caution about being temporarily blocked for edit warring is valid. The proper place to continue is at the Talk page of the article, where there is an ongoing discussion on exactly this topic. Your wording "The paper by Das et al employs his so called 'Geographic Population Structure' (GPS) algorithm which, like much of the quantitative methodology used by Elhaik, has now been statistically refuted and transparently shown to be completely flawed by Flegontov et al." is phrased as an opinion. After seeking consensus at the Talk page there should be a way to address the dispute in encyclopaedic wording. David notMD (talk) 13:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Bioelectronic medicine

Hi, is anyone else working on the topic Bioelectronic medicine or devices" or related topics such as "neuromodulation" or "electroceuticals"? Just wondering and maybe we could help each other. Also, I've made another round of edits to my submission but it's been almost 2 months and no one has reviewed it. What do I do?

Cameronwillis (talk) 13:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I see that in Draft:Bioelectronic Medicine you use the term "vagus nerve", but instead of wikilinking to the article vagus nerve you give your own description of it, disagreeing with what is stated in that article. Maproom (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

adding a photograph to a profile

Hello everybody, I would like to ask for help regarding adding photos to people's profiles at the top of the personal information section. I tried to upload some images but there seems to be a problem and I can't solve it. Please be kind to help me with this issue. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bachana28 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Bachana28, Try the file upload wizard. Interstellarity (talk) 10:50, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bachana28, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't find any evidence that you have tried to upload images, either to Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons, so I don't know what kind of problem you are having. But it is important to realise that Wikipedia is very strict on copyright, and most images you find on the Internet cannot be used in it. If you own the rights to a particular picture (which usually means that you took the picture yourself) then you can upload it, and license it as you do so.

A couple of other points: please note that Wikipedia does not contain "profiles": not one. It contains encyclopaedia articles, which should be almost entirely based on information published wholly independently of the subject of the article. The subject of an article has no ownership or control over the article. In fact, I notice that you have been editing Bachana Tskhadadze: are you Tskhadadze? If so, you are strongly discouraged from editing that article yourself: please see autobiography. I also notice that you edited Keşla FK to replace sourced information (though inadequately sourced) with unsourced information relating to Tskhadadze: again, if you are Tskhadadze, this is inappropriate editing with a conflict of interest. I have removed that claim as unsourced. --ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Article uploading

Why can't I upload my article?!Persist-Resistant (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

New accounts can't create articles directly; you'd have to wait until you are autoconfirmed. Even then, it would be unwise for you to create an article directly, as it would be liable to deletion if unsuitable. Read the advice at WP:Your first article, and use the Articles for creation process to get your draft reviewed. Meanwhile you can edit existing articles to build up your experience of Wikipedia processes. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Multiple Accounts Question

Message to administrators/editors. I am a bit clumsy with accounts, passwords etc. (I have been known to pay the same utility bill multiple times). A fair amount of time elapsed between my first entry into the Wiki community and my second (more than 4 years, I think). On that second occasion, I mistakenly opened a second account and never again intentionally used the first one. Recently, I visited the Teahouse and asked to have the first account removed. Kevin informed me that I could not do so but that it was not a problem if I only use one account. I now notice that there is a message on my talk page that says I am "a user of multiple accounts". It is far more accurate to state that I opened a second account by mistake and cannot close it. Is there any way to remove or qualify the message --user of multiple accounts -- as it is potentially misleading and may imply something negative to the community. I am currently being paid to write a page for my company, Virage Simulation, and I do not want my early inexperience and clumsy entry into the Wiki community to reflect poorly on my current efforts to demonstrate transparency. Any advice will be appreciated, thanksDriverSafety (talk) 15:17, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

DriverSafety, using multiple accounts isn't prohibited. Abusing them is. As the admin that contacted you noted, there is no problem. They were only telling you that they had redirected your old account userpage to your new one. If that doesn't settle your mind, you can add the fact that you have an old account that you no longer use in your new userpage as well. If you are uncomfortable about the section header in your talkpage remaining there for everyone to see, you can either delete it, or archive it. That is your talk page, so you are allowed to delete messages there; any message so deleted is assumed read and understood. Cheers! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 17:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. If every editor/reviewer understands the section header the same way, I will let it stand for now.DriverSafety (talk) 17:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

wikilove templates

Is anyone allowed to use the wikilove templates?Predated0 (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Predated0, welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, WikiLove templates don't require special permissions—they are just an informal way to express appreciation of another user. Eman 235/talk 20:31, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

adding "Creating Auma, Hedmark"

The link to Auma on the wikipedia "List of Villages in Hedmark" mistakenly points to Germany. It should link to a page that says "Creating Auma, Hedmark" and the template that says a Wikipedia article needs to be created.

I can change the link, but how do I create that page?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redriv (talk • contribs) 15:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this, Redriv. I have changed the link to Auma, Hedmark which shows up as a redlink, meaning that the article doesn't yet exist. (I also used the pipe trick to make it appear in the table as just "Auma", even though the article it points to would be called "Auma, Hedmark".)

Creating an article is one of the hardest tasks in Wikipedia, and I strongly advise new editors against doing so until they have got some weeks or months of experience. When ready to do so, follow the advice in your first article, and use the articles for creation process to creat a draft. When an article about that Auma has been accepted, it should also be added to Auma (disambiguation); but we don't put redlinks in disambiguation pages.

I note that many of the places in List of villages in Hedmark are redlinks, and it would be useful if somebody did create articles about them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Redriv (talk) 20:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)I have noticed other links that should have the same redlink. I can change the link to go to the redlink, but I don't know how to create the redlink. Coud you direct me to a place that shows me how, (or tell me how)

As I said above, Redriv, you can find the information you need in your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and I'll look there. I didn't realize I was creating an article and just thought I was adding a template link. Thanks again.Redriv (talk) 20:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply link script

I would like to use the reply link script when replying to people at the Teahouse. I tried to use it, but sometimes it doesn't work. Why is that? Interstellarity (talk) 10:53, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, Interstellarity. You'll be aware this is a user-created script, still being worked on? If you're finding bugs, it would be immensely helpful to the developer if you would report this at User talk:Enterprisey/reply-link, giving as much details of the problem, and of your system. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Interstellarity, I made it work better by copying its code to the top of the list. It still fails when I try to make long comments but otherwise it works most of the time for me, now. (Aaand... it didn't work for this very short reply) Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 18:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes and Usedtobecool: I have left a note on the script's talk page explaining the issue with an image. Hopefully someone will respond soon. Interstellarity (talk) 20:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Interstellarity, I contemplated doing the same, but the prospect of having to document my site preferences, browser settings and specs, and PC settings and specs, was enough of a deterrent. Glad you're doing the right thing. Hope something comes off it. Regards! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 21:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Good move. Thank you very much for doing that. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

In-line referencing

New to Wikipedia and looking for some examples of In Line References - Please advise.Rwdepalma (talk) 20:48, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Note to hosts: This refers to Draft:Lofton Butler, which I declined for insufficient in-line citations. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 22:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that note, JalenFolf -it was also fully of copyvios too. BTW: do you know how hard your signature is to read with dark font against a dark blue background? I wonder if you might consider lightening it a bit for users without 20:20 vision?

@Rwdepalma: welcome to the Teahouse. First off, as I've just alluded to above, you are not permitted to copy/paste copyrighted text (as you did from https://www.rwdepalma.com/coffee_butler and https://www.thekeywesttheater.com/about/.)It matters not that you might have written that text - you have it displayed under a copyright notice and you may not use it here. Please remove the copypasted elements and rewrite the text.

Secondly, creating well-referenced new articles from scratch is one of the hardest tasks anyone can perform here. We are an encyclopaedia on notable people and things, not a collection of random poorly-formatted essays. So we have structure, style and layout rules which need to be followed. I'm going to give you a bit of homework, now, starting off with asking you to read Wikipedia:Your First Article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Unfortunately the latter is a bit complex, so you might wish to undertake our tutorial, called The Wikipedia Adventure which introduces you to the basics. Inline citations are present in virtually every article here, and requires you to use the 'Cite' button on our editing tool right after some statement of fact that you wish to support. Click that Cite button to select a template to fill in with details of your sources title, date, author, publisher, url etc. Providing you have a properly formatted 'References' section, your citation will appear with a superscript number after your statement, plus the full reference within the References section itself.

Thirdly, our notability criteria for musicians can be found at Wikipedia:Notability (music), so you will have to provide references which clearly demonstrate how Lofton Butler meets those. UNless they can be met, there can be no article about him on Wikipedia, I'm afaid. If you are his promoter or agent (and it seems likely that you may be a professional photographer selling pictures of him) you are advised to declare any Conflict of Interest or Paid work by following the guidance you can find via those links. If you are successful in creating that page, you might then wish to make one of your currently copyrighted images available for use on his page under a free for commercial/non-commercial Creative Common so that it can illustrate that new article. Come back and seek advice on that later, if you need it.

I'm sorry this sounds like an awful lot of instructions - but only by ensuring everyone follows our policies, guidelines and manual of style can we hope to keep the nearly 6 million articles already on Wikipedia into some sort of unified appearance, and ensure that new pages are similarly structured. Hoping this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Update: I've twice managed to remove a rapidly-placed speedy deletion notice by cutting out all the copyright violation content in two consecutive edits. The draft is still a mess, but can now be carefully worked on by this editor at their leisure, per my guidance above. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:13, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Help Editing my wiki page Manuello Paganelli

For more than six months or so I'd been informed via email from several people close to me or strangers that my wiki page needs more links and I dont know how to fix it or who could help me. I did a couple editing in 2016 ago and is still showing this on my wiki page and I dont know how to fix that too so is not showing at all, "This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject, potentially preventing the article from being verifiable and neutral. (November 2016)" I havent created an acct, as far as I can remember, so if I do so can I then make the right changes without hurting my credibility on wiki?

Per instance below is telling me that it needs a source but if you click where it says Weston Gallery it will take you straight into their website and anybody an find me under their artists.

"Gallery Representation This section does not cite any sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

So should all of those links be also be shown below where is says: External links?

Also under gallery representation i would love to include a new gallery which started representing me a couple months ago: www.ObscuraGallery.Net in Santa Fe, NM.

So who could help me each time I need to add or edit something right away?

I also dont know how to include my photo ( a portrait of me) at the right top side of the page like many other artist have on their on pages.

THanks so much for any help!

Manuello Paganelli— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:c301:71f:411:a06:b270:d63c (talk) 20:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Please sign your posts, like this one. Also, since you claim to be the subject of the article, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, since you seem to have a WP:COI regarding the article. You are discouraged from editing your page, but are welcome to propose changes on the talk page. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 21:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

If you will post suggestions for changes on the talk page, I will try to help. I have added "the article" to my watch list, so if you post to its talk page, I will be informed. Will also have a look at the referencing problems noted above. For ease of communication, I suggest you register a user name (but not your own full name, for privacy). This will provide you with a user page AND most importantly, a talk page, so people can talk to you directly. Then you can sign your "user name" as noted above, on the article's talk page, and I can get back to you with questions. Whatever you do, do not refer to the article (here at the Teahouse) as "your page" or "your article" because some editors get quite huffy about this! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Manuello Paganelli (IP 2601:642:c301:71f:411:a06:b270:d63). I just want to add a few things to what was posted above.

If you decide to create an account (it's not mandatory), you can use your real name as your username if you like. Sometimes, however, doing this can lead to some unexpected problems; so, you should read WP:REALNAME and WP:REALWORLD first and decide whether it's something you really want to do. If you do use your real name, you may be asked to verify your identity by sending an email to Wikimedia OTRS. Since there's no way from anyone to know who you really are regardless on your choice of username (see On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog), sometimes accounts which have the same username as a specific identifiable person (e.g. someone with a Wikipedia article written about them) are soft-blocked as a precaution by an administrator against damaging impersonation until the account holder's identity can be verified. For reference, administrators do have some discretion when it comes to blocking accounts and can block an account (even without issuing a warning first) if they feel the account is causing some serious problems or otherwise disrupting Wikipedia.
Regardless of your choice of username or whether you even create an account, you will be considered to have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest with respect to anything written about you on Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn't expressly prohibit conflict-of-interest editing, but it does highly discourage it because it can lead to some serious problems. For this reason, the Wikipedia community has established some guidelines to help such editors navigate Wikipedia and avoid running into problems. Compliance with these is optional, but once again they are established to help you avoid problems. You can find out some more about this in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.
You should try to understand that there is a Wikipedia article written about you, but it's not written for you; in other words, it's not "your" article so to speak. Neither the users who create/edit articles nor the subjects of articles have any ownership claim over article content as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content. So, you don't have a final editorial control over the content of the article just because it's written about you. Articles can be edited by anyone at anytime and as long as their edits are in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines there should be no problems. Disagreements over article content are expected to be resolved by following Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. This doesn't necessarily mean that you're helpless to the whims of other editors, but you will be expected to resolve any issues you have with the article just like everyone else. Basically, you (and your representatives) should refrain from directly editing the article except perhaps in some of the cases listed in Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Making uncontroversial edits; instead, you should follow the suggestions given in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide#Steps for engagement and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Dealing with articles about yourself.
If you'd like a photo added to the article and are willing to provide one yourself, please taking a look at Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files and Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. As long as you're the copyright holder of the photo (this can sometimes be tricky since the subject of a photo is generally not considered to be the copyright holder) and are willing to release a version of it under a free license that Wikipedia accepts (see also c:Commons:Licensing, then it should be OK to upload.

If you've got any questions about any of this, feel free to ask them below. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

List of Verifiable/Reliable Sources accepted on Wikipedia

I remember finding a list on Wikipedia of what online sources were accepted on Wikipedia. Like The Daily Mail is not accepted as a verifiable or reliable source but The Guardian is. Unfortunately, after searching I cannot seem to find the page again. Could someone please link the page to me? Thanks. Spy-cicle (talk) 22:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: Check out WP:RSP, which may be what you are looking for. There is a nice table under Sources. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

- Exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much @Tribe of Tiger:. Spy-cicle (talk) 22:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: You are very welcome! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: Great advice there from Tribe of Tiger to go to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. A little trick, next time, for finding stuff you know is there, but you just can't quite place, is to go to the standard 'Search' box at the top of every page and first type "WP:" (albeit without the quote marks.) Then, with no space after the colon, type one of more keywords that you think could possibly be a likely title of a help page. e.g. WP:Verifiable - you'll likely get three or four suggestions of possible page titles, like "WP:Verifiable sources" which then leads you to "Wikipedia:Reliable sources" where a quick scroll through leads to the link to the page given above. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle:, If a source is not named in the list mentioned above, you can often find comments about it in the archives of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Scroll down until you see "Search the noticeboard archives", then enter the source's name in the search box. If the source has been discussed on the RS Noticeboard, a link to that discussion should appear in the search results. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Becoming a great Editor

Hello,

Do you have a video session or archives available to review for training? I'm new to Wikipedia, really happy to be a user and wants learn to become a great editor one day.

Thanks TVincent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvincent88 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Tvincent88: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to learn how to edit. I'm not aware of any video training. I suggest starting with the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE and also the tutorial at WP:TUTORIAL. This will give you a good start. Come back if you have questions. RudolfRed (talk) 17:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Tvincent88: There are a number of video resources you might like to check out, which RudolfRed might also like to be aware of. See here and here and here. Some were made some time back, so the interface will now be different (especialy any mention to 'Save changes' or 'Save edit' which is now renamed in the big blue button as 'Publish changes', which often confuses people, especially when editing a draft or a userpage. (Everything online - even userpages-is actually published, even if it isn't actually in the main encyclopaedia). I must admit that I've not looked at some of these for ages, if at all. So perhaps you might like to pop back and tell us which ones you think were most helpful? If you do, I'll make a special note to check them out and refer other editors to them, if needs be. I also think User:Pine was working on some new training videos - maybe they might like to add further suggestions? Hope this helps a bit - and don't forget to try out our interactive tour at The Wikipedia Adventure. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Updated Music Chart Information

I was just looking at the Wikipedia page for the recent single "Higher Love" by Whitney Houston and the peak chart position on the French charts is listed as #122 but I just looked and it's at #83. Just thought I'd let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.92.238.250 (talk) 20:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse. It's kind of you to think about posting a suggestion for a correction. However, the best place is to ask you to post it at the talk page for the article, and perhaps link to a page which allows another editor to check. Assuming you're not editing in mobile view, just click the tab labelled 'Talk' next to the Article's own tab and leave your suggestions there, if you will. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Table syntax?

I need help converting my user boxes to a table format. Any help/assistance with this can help. Ideally, someone else can do it for me. Maccore Henni _{Mii! Pictochat Mii!} 18:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Done. At least, I've done the first six as a demo for you. You can do the rest, I'm sure with this guidance. BTW: Your signature display is very misleading - please consider changing it, and removing the unlinked blue text at the beginning which most people would assume is a link to your user page, but which, after multiple clicks, they find that it isn't. See WP:SIGNATURE for help on this. Be aware that our purpose here is to help build an encyclopaedia. It seems that in your two years and 164 edits here, you have only made two mainspace edits - most of the rest are to your userpage. It's best to balance the fiddling around with actual helpful editing, or some might thing that you're WP:NOTHERE to help out (see last line of that section). I offer this advice in a positive manner, whilst appreciating it probably comes over rather too harshly in written form. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Please review my page

Hi,

I have created a Marathi Wikipedia Page. Can someone please review it? https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:Lorde1801/sandbox Also, is there a different page where I can ask help for Marathi Wikipedia? Lorde1801 (talk) 07:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

This is the English language Wiki. The individual Wikis are separate, and so you should ask at the appropriate place in the Marathi Wiki. It is unlikely that a Marathi speaking editor will visit this page. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lorde1801. You might possibly find someone who can read Marathi at Wikipedia:WikiProject India, but Martin of Sheffield is right in that the best place for you to ask about your sandbox draft would be on Marathi Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines, and while the various projects may be similar in many ways, there are also sometimes some pretty big differences. I'm not sure whether Marathi Wikipedia has a page like the Teahouse, but it should have a general help page. Try going to Help:Contents and look for Marathi under "Languages" in the left-hand side bar. If there's a Marathi Wikipedia help page, you should find a link to it there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank You for your help. Lorde1801 (talk) 05:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Tim G Wilson

I was left a message by Hugsyrup when I was mistakenly editing material when working on another Users sandbox page. Didn't understand the single Editor per user space. THAT user name was Barbra Gayle. I have since set up my own user spaceTimgwilson and had wanted to continue conversation with Hugsyrup.Timgwilson (talk) 21:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Timgwilson, and welcome to the Teahouse. Although Hugsyrup is very active as a host here at the Teahouse, you would be best advised to leave him a message on his/her talkpage at User talk:Hugsyrup. Note that because I've included their username in my signed post, they, like you, will also receive a notification message of my reply here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Timgwilson. The previous discussion about this can be found at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1007#Biographic Articles - citation structure, but switching to another account doesn't mean you are no longer subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure or that you're no longer considered to have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest; Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for these things apply to the person actually doing the editing, not to the account they happen to be using. Assuming that you've decided to abandon the other account, you shouldn't really be using it to edit anymore; this includes edits to pages in your new userspace. As long as the other account stays inactive it should be fine to just leave it alone; if, however, you or someone else starts using it again, then you might have problems. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Clean start for more information about this kind of thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks Nick Moyes for the ping and for replying to Tim. Just to say they have now messaged me on my talk page and I've replied there with information about paid editing guidelines and disclosures. Hug^syrup 08:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Need help with 'This article relies too much on references to primary sources.'

Hello, I've been working on a film festival article that had lots of problems. It was missing all of its original links... They were all dead links because the individual links were compiled into one large pdf. These links were mostly all from the festival's website. I modified plus removed some of the content and located multiple newspaper articles to support the remaining content. There had been several tags added. They were removed but one was added back again,'This article relies too much on references to primary sources.' I've worked considerably more on the article to resolve the issue but am not experienced enough to fully understand if the only issue is the use of the festival's website. Could someone please kindly take a look? Yorkton Film Festival Thank you!LorriBrown (talk) 02:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

There's a lot of low-quality sources cited in that article. There's probably some good ones as well, though my quick search failed to find any. I suggest you remove most or all of those that are based on interviews or press releases, and those that don't discuss the subject. A few good sources will give a better impression than 60 mostly poor ones. Maproom (talk) 07:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@LorriBrown: Courtesy link to what Maproom just described: WP:BOMBARD, in particular the last paragraph. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:37, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Preposition question re article title

The article is Historiographic issues about the American Civil War, which I retitled from Issues of the American Civil War, that seemed confusingly close to Causes of the American Civil War, which takes you to Origins of the American Civil War.

My question is, "is 'about' the right preposition?" Should it be "of"? "regarding"? deisenbe (talk) 06:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer "about". Maproom (talk) 06:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: I prefer "of", as a re-cast of "The American Civil War's Historiographic Issues". This should probably be asked on the talk page or, since it is not watched much, an appropriate Wikiproject. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:13, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

It isn't an appropriate question for a Wikiproject or the talk page either, it's a question about English. It's not, or shouldn't be, subjective. I don't know how to contact experts on English prepositions. deisenbe (talk) 07:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

You can try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk. As for questions about English not being subjective, that might depend upon the nature of the question. While it might be nice to think that there should only be one clear-cut answer to every question, things tend to actually be a little more complicated. English is used by so many people around the world and there are so many different national varieties of English (see MOS:ENGVAR) that the answers you get may vary depending upon who you ask. Moreover, there's nothing wrong with asking for opinions on the article's talk page since it is a discussion about the title of the article. It's OK to be BOLD and move a page, but you'd be expected to discuss it on the article's talk page if someone disagrees and challenges the move; so, the same could be said regarding whether to use "about" or "of". Determining which to use may ultimately come down to WP:CONSENSUS established on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Like MJ, my answer (a preference) was also based on my belief that it is subjective. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

What is a reliable source?

Anyone knows what is a relay/reliable source? CentralTime301 (talk) 11:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@CentralTime301:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm confused by your question, as you link to the guideline page that describes what reliable sources are. Do you have a specific concern about a particular source? In general, a source is considered reliable if it has a reputation for fact checking and has editorial control. This usually excludes things like personal blogs or personal websites. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Two questions

Hi, I wanted to ask two things, first is if adding links to the reflist is enough to have them as references. Second, is there anyone or any way for someone to review my article before it gets review by Wikipedia to make sure i make the necessary changes for my article to get approved and posted.

Thank you, JuntasCambianos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuntasCambiamos (talk • contribs) 02:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome, JuntasCambiamos. I assume you are asking about User:JuntasCambiamos/sandbox/Goleadoras.

To answer your first question, yes, the "reflist" just means the "list of references". I see in your draft that you managed to make some inline citations, which is exactly what you should do.

To answer the second question, there is no real distinction between "review by Wikipedia" and review by "anyone" - you submitted your article via the WP:AFC process and it will bring some review by a Wikipedia editor; AfC reviewers do not have anything special compared to the rest of us volunteer editors.

That being said, your draft is very unlikely to be accepted as-is. The most obvious problem is that it is not written in a neutral point of view: sentences such as harnessing the power (...) to transform the self-confidence, sense of solidarity, ambition, perseverance, and well-being, took action, as the circumstances in her country worsened, world-class singer, actor, and author, and so on are not acceptable in an encyclopedia article - an article should be written in a boring way and avoid eliciting emotions from the reader.

That problem could be fixed; however, there is a bigger one. On Wikipedia, we only have articles on "notable" topics, meaning those that have been dealt at length in independent reliable sources. You should include references in the article that show this - typically, for NGOs, you would look for newspaper articles describing the organization's activities. Of the current references, the first three are not independent (Goleadoras' website and websites for projects it launched), and the fourth one does not deal about the NGO. (Note also that simply having famous footballers, singers etc. as "ambassadors" does not automatically make an organization notable.) I do not see much from a quick web search that could show notability. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

Yesterday I asked about what I could do in order to get my article publish, from that I know I'm going to need more notable and independent pages to use as references in order to get it accepted, but now I just want to focus on the content. Could you take a look at my article and see if the information in it would be accepted and was neutral enough for Wikipedia, please?

Thank you in advance, JuntasCambiamos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuntasCambiamos (talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Sandpit

I got half way through creating an article in the Sandpit. Come back to it 4 hours later and most of it has disappeared!

Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redbaron370 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

If you click on the "Contributions" link at the top right-hand corner of any page you will find all your contributions listed, including User:Redbaron370/sandbox. Nobody else has edited your sandbox to remove any of the content. Perhaps you forgot to save? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Redbaron370, welcome to the Teahouse. "Contributions" at the top right shows your edits. Special:Contributions/Redbaron370 only shows one sandbox edit to User:Redbaron370/sandbox 15 hours ago. Maybe you only clicked "Show preview", or overlooked a warning, or an extra step when new users add external links. If you have closed the used browser or cannot find the unsaved edit with the browser back button then I'm afraid it's lost. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Please do not post the same question twice, you are wasting our time.

Do you mean WP:Sandbox? That is just a test page and should not be used to create articles. Instead you should use a page in your userspace.

~~I created a page for you. It is located at User talk:Redbaron370/todo. You can use that to write your article in.~~ Poveglia (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Poveglia moved a reply from the help desk. User:Redbaron370/sandbox is a better place to work on a draft. Some features for article writing don't work or work differently in talk pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Talk:The Hague Institute for Global Justice

Is there any willing editors who could review the edit request on this talk page? There's been a lot of back and forth but no action on it for nearly 2 weeks. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 15:37, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

PHOTOS

How to post photo on page — Preceding unsigned comment added by SureshAPMSTF (talk • contribs) 16:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey SureshAPMSTF. This can depend a lot of what kind of picture you are adding, and whether it's already uploaded here. The general tutorial for images is at Help:Pictures. If you want to upload a new image, then we will probably need more information about the picture and where it comes from. GMG ^talk 17:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I am a new editor.

I signed up with Wikipedia and started editing today.Could you tell me the basics and rules if any? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhijit priyadarshi (talk • contribs) 16:55, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Abhijit priyadarshi. Welcome to Wikipedia. You may want to consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure which can help get you started and explain a lot about how things work on Wikipedia. If you have any more follow up questions or have trouble with anything specific, then this is the right place to ask and we'll be happy to help. GMG ^talk 17:05, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Need Help From Seniors

Hi to all, I have been Checking about This Indian actress called Janhvi Kapoor and found that this has been banned by Admins to create , Since she is a star in Bollywood and have already won the "Zee Cine Award for Best Female Debut" for her movie Dhadak^[1] , So i guess that this title must be manuplated by fans or people who did'nt knew how to create the article and eventually got this banned, so my question is if i can recreate it in a proper way, if yes then how? or any admin can help me in creating this one because she passes the notablity factor i guess Jhummu (talk) 17:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

References

^ https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNSh_Wx_S8gS8z8_U415Qf2f8lXH6A%3A1568308853786&ei=dX56Xdi6L5qevQSOqIIo&q=janhvi+kapoor+award&oq=janhvi+kapoor+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.35i39i70i251j0l2j0i10i67j0i131j0i131i67j0j0i10i67j0i20i263j0.1600.1600..2582...0.0..0.141.141.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz._wDkLQM0t4s

Hey Jhummu. It looks like this page was redirected to the movie, as we generally require more than one significant role for an actor or actress to have a stand alone article. If this is now the case, then it may be appropriate to restore the article. If it is not the case, then we may have to wait for them to have a second major role in order to create the article once again. GMG ^talk 17:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Teahouse!

My client and I have been struggling to get their Wikipedia page included. Each time we believe we are compliant in all aspects of Wikipedia's guidelines, we find out we are the exact opposite! I was directed here to inquire with any questions as they arise. Please take a look at our (third revised) draft and let me know if the language and citations follow the guidelines. Thank you! Sccros (talk) 21:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Sccros and welcome to the Teahouse. The message you received actually advised you to post questions about why your page was deleted to WP:WPAFC/HD, and that "If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself!" We certainly try to be friendly here, and it seems that you've actually had quite a bit of advice from editors on your talk page already. As you are editing for pay, you should know you are best to follow the advice you have been given, and to post there if needs be. We'd be happy to help with other practicalities if you need advice on how to edit, but please remember that nobody has 'a right' to create pages - the community determines by consensus if notability has been met, and removes content that fails. The key thing we say to everyone is to find independent, reliable sources that clearly demonstrate the subject has been talked about in detail. Things like business journals and regurgitated press releases don't count, and often I find that "less is more", and that cutting out trivial and promotional stuff, as I believe one of our other friendly Teahouse hosts has already done is itself likely to aid you in your mission to promote your employer/client. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Nick. I appreciate this response and will keep in mind. I have definitely let the aggravation get to me. I will continue to relay this information to my client and make sure the criteria meets the standards of Wikipedia. Sccros (talk) 19:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sccros: Add {{subst:review}} at the top of the draft when you feel it's ready to go live, and a reviewer will take a look at it. The text itself is OK and inline referencing is good (if one really wants to nitpick, the last paragraph might be undue detail - for instance, which organization does not [hold] several members-only events around the world every year?). However, I am not sure the refs demonstrate notability (see WP:ORGCRIT) - the only sources that deal at length with AFIRE are bisnow and cooperator, whose reliability I am not sure of. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll let my client know about the references. Sccros (talk) 19:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

List of The Simpsons episodes

Hi, template TBA does not work in this page (because I added template to the merged lines). Can someone please help? Patriccck (talk) 11:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Patriccck. You can always go back and self-revert your edit. Maybe then adding "TBA" as simple text will work better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I know, that I can always go back and self-revert your edit. In Czech Wikipedia I have more then 9000 edits and I am user with rollback function :-). --Patriccck (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

No offense was intended Patriccck. Most editors posting questions here aren't as experienced as you and might not even know about "self-reverting". Anyway things appear to have been sorted out thanks to Primehunter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Patriccck: Template:TBA says: "If you want to use other attributes for the table cells, e.g. colspan or rowspan, they need to be put before the template call and there must be no vertical bar | in between them". This applies to many cell formatting templates which have to add code before the bar so they add the bar themselves. Fixed by [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --Patriccck (talk)

Uncheckable source?

What should I do when I'm feeling dubious about some information included in an article but I can't check the source because of a paywall? Thank you! Shannend29 (talk) 23:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Shannend29 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could post on the article talk page to explain your concern, to see if anyone following that article may have access to the source and can examine it for you. Also, it could be tedious, but you could examine the edit history of the article edit by edit to see which editor added the information in question, so you could ask them directly. 331dot (talk) 00:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox

How do I publish my page, once it is finished in Sandbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cinemaking1 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Cinemaking1: Hi there. Thank you for asking here at the teahouse. I don't write new articles myself, but I have recently had a look at the article wizard, and I think I'd suggest giving it a go.😉 GOLDIEM J (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Request to take a look at my article and make changes or publish it.

Hello, I am Zeenat, an aspiring writer. I am here to improve my writing skills with your guidance and help. I just wrote my first article. Can anyone please take a look into it and suggest any improvements/or publish it already? I cant wait for my first article online! thanks!

So this is about an Italian movie I watched. Its a nice one but unfortunately there are no articles on it so I decided to write one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeenatsaleh (talk • contribs)

The draft is in User:Zeenatsaleh/sandbox Zeenat had copied all of it into Teahouse. I deleted it. I know I should have collapsed it, but I forgot how. David notMD (talk) 21:55, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@David notMD: Moving it off the Teahouse is fine. For collapsing, see {{Collapse_top}} and the corresponding bottom template. RudolfRed (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for creation is a guideline for creating an article. Bicycle Thieves is an example of an article about an Italian movie. The movie you wish to write about may not be notable enough to justify an article. Required will be references to articles written about the movie. The two references you have are not useful. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Huggle

Can Huggle be used in an android mobile?Andrew Base (talk) 05:22, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

You may find an answer at WP:Huggle/Feedback/Archive 22#Android. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Timeline to creating a new article for a new company, using basic neutral starter content from COI account?

How slowly can one expect the review and amendment process to take for a new starter article on a new company, seeded by a COI employee? Days, weeks, months? Assuming the starter article is lightweight and lists only a handful of basic facts with citations to get the article started. And of course that the article follows publishing guidelines and resembles a typical entry for a new company. Frazierjason (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Frazierjason. I consider it highly unlikely that an article about a "new company" will be approved because it takes quite a while for companies to receive significant coverage in several reliable, independent sources sufficient to meet the notability guideline for companies. As for review times, take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for creation which has statistics on wait times. There are now over 4,400 drafts waiting for review and over 1,400 of them have been waiting over eight weeks. That is a very big backlog for hard working volunteers. If the paid editor you describe is yourself, then you must immediately comply with Paid editing disclosure. This is mandatory. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, I have not submitted any articles. My inquiry is to understand about expectations and timelines. Point noted about the hard-working volunteers, I will see if there is something I can do to help with the large backlog on my own time. Frazierjason (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Frazierjason. Just for reference, notifications like those mentioned in WP:PING won't work when they are added to an already signed post. To get a template like Template:U to work, you need to "re-sign" the post. So, I will notify Cullen328 for you.

The "expectation" is going to be that you don't try to create any article about any subject for which you would be considered to have a WP:COI; if the subject is Wikipedia notable because it has received significant coverage in reliable sources, then the preferred thing for you to do would be to let someone else write the article. You can request that this be done via Wikipedia:Requested articles or maybe even on the talk page of relevant WikiProject. If the subject is clearly Wikipedia notable and there's an abundance of significant coverage, then someone is most likely to at least be able to create a WP:STUB just to get things rolling. You can, of course, try and create a draft of an article yourself, but if you go that route you're going to be expected to submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation (AfC) for review. In that case though, you would be expected to follow Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and more importantly Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure if your COI is of a financial nature. You should understand that regardless of who creates the article, the subject of the article won't have any final editorial control over its content per Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences.

There is no real timeline for an AfC review which means that the draft will basically wait in line until an AfC reviewer gets to it. You can continue working on the draft while its waiting for a review, and you can even re-submit a draft more than once if for some reason it's declined as long as don't simply keep submitting the same version over and over again. You can work on the draft at your own pace, and other editors will pretty much leave you and it alone as long as there are no serious major policy violations that require addressing. The only thing you need to try and avoid is leaving the draft unedited for six months or more because it will likely then be considered to have been abandoned and thus subject to deletion per WP:G13.

As for the backlog Cullen328 mentioned, while your offer to help is most appreciated, it would probably be best to leave things to AfC reviewers to sort out. AfC reviewers tend to be experienced editors with an established track record of article creation and having a good understanding of Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines. You can help out in other ways though as explained in Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. There are almost six million articles and almost all of them are WP:IMPERFECT in some way; so, even simply cleaning up an already existing article would be a big help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Help requested relating to an edit war

Currently there is a small edit war taking place at the article Sahraa Karimi related to where she was born - Afghanistan or Iran. I say Afghanistan according to ~~her IMDB profile and~~ other references calling her an Afghan/from Afghanistan. I would request an uninvolved editor/admin to help clear this up. I have created a section for this on the talk page. Thanks. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 04:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

DiplomatTesterMan, IMDb isn't a reliable source. The content dispute/confusion is supposed to be handled at the article's talk page, the step that you have already taken. I am sure anyone seeing this post will try and help out. There is no deadline, so patience is advised. Regards! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 07:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Will wait it out. (I may be on the erring side) DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 07:09, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Want to create new content page

As a new editor in the Wikipedia world, can I create new article pages? If not, for how long will I have to wait? I do editorial works in real life. How's that in here? Weed out-er 05:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Pinkerton (talk • contribs) moved from talk by Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 06:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Alex Pinkerton Welcome to Teahouse. You can create article in Wikipedia. First please read WP:Your First Article and referencing to familiar yourself on how to write an article and referencing in Wikipedia. Please do adhere to the Wikipedia guidelines. Once you have done that then pls use Article Wirzard] to create the draft article for review. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there.

I just undid an unconstructive edit, and I just started wondering if there's a warning template you can leave on a vandal's talk page. Many thanks xx GOLDIEM J (talk) 00:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi GOLDIEM J. There are various things called "user warnings" that you can use; for some examples, look at WP:UW. Templates, while quick and easy to use, can sometimes be a bit confusing (especially to new editors) since they tend to speak in general terms and are not specific to a particular edit. So, posting an explanation why the edit was a problem below the template often helps others better understand their mistake and how to avoid repeating it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@GOLDIEM J: Placing different level user warning notices, and adding additional comments, is made a lot easier if you use Twinkle. This can be enabled from your user Preference settings. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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