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Speedy deletion nomination of Dhobi Kanaujia(brahmin)

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〜 Festucalex • talk 19:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I never bothered to get the permissions for moving pages without leaving a redirect, but I suppose I should get them. Wikishovel (talk) 20:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

How to upload Crossnet Logo on Crossnet article

Hi Wikishovel, please help explain how to upload Crossnet Logo on Crossnet article. Logo has been flagged for possible speedy deletion. How can I appeal, and publish under a free license? How do other companies get their logos on this website? Sorry but I do not know all these rules. BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk)

Hi, copyright is the problem. You've uploaded the company's logo as your own work. Over at Commons you mentioned that you had permission from the company for use of the logo: could you please clarify? Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 05:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, when I uploaded the company's logo, I meant for it to say company's work with their approval. I was trying to add the image as quickly and frictionless as possible not realizing how strict the process was... Would you like to see an email exchange with the founders asking if it is okay? If so, I can use your email template, and I can CC you? If not, how do companies get their logos into the free section? Its not so straightfoward. Frankly, is there a good reason the company should not want their logo on wikipedia and beyond? Thanks, BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 05:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes Wikipedia and Commons both have to be strict about copyright, or they'd get sued into a smoking crater. Have a read of Wikipedia:Logos for the best way to proceed with a non-free logo. Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 05:33, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay understood thanks, I still find this very confusing and difficult to figure out. I will circle back if I make progress reading this Wikipedia:Logos and have questions. Thanks, BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 05:52, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Should I try tomorrow to upload image again or leave it alone? I hope I do not get blocked for this... when I upload, just add 'non-free logo' & 'trademark' tags? Thanks, BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 06:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No, you won't get blocked for a mistake made in good faith. And yes copyright rules are horribly complicated, because lawyers. Wikishovel (talk) 07:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey there

Hey, I made Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shiltonjojo on which you may want to comment as you've queried some of these accounts directly and may have more to add. Mvqr (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I just finished dinner and was about to open an SPI, but you beat me to it.

And were more thorough than I would have been TBH - I overlooked the blocks on CK, and just had some vague suspicions on behaviour and timing. I'll jump in and add my two penn'orth. Wikishovel (talk) 17:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi - did you see that retaliatory SPI they raised about you? They had obviously spent a fair amount of time going through your contribs - are you aware of any LTAs that have a beef with you? Feel free to let me know if you start getting any weird messages or someone appears to be trying to harass you. Girth Summit _(blether) 09:51, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, yes I saw your comment at the SPI for Sathishcm, and had a read - what a lot of effort digging through thousands of my boring Wikignome edits, for that. No, I'm not aware of any LTAs that I've annoyed before. But the effort spent on this, especially the revenge SPI attempt, suggests that there's money riding on that AFD. The editor posted there as Topboy92 at about 2am IST last night. Thanks for your quick work on this, and for the offer of help. Wikishovel (talk) 10:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

There might be other new articles you patrolled, proded, put up for deletion and the like with this guy using different accounts. It appears to me they are creating new articles with different newish autoconfirmed accounts. They have obviously been at this for a while with some of their accounts dating back to 2007. --Mvqr (talk) 10:20, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Then Sathishcm is probably not the correct master yet. I have seen that style of writing before, can't quite remember in which AFD(s) though. Wikishovel (talk) 10:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Consider they made all of two edits in 2007 with that account before showing back up with it in 2023, it is obvious there are more and probably other SPI cases with legs. Mvqr (talk) 10:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy to help dig for this, if you ping me when you spot a potentially overlapping AFD, and I can vice versa, if you like. LTA work looks like hard graft, but necessary. It must be even harder without admin rights, but I wouldn't be an admin for any money, heh. Wikishovel (talk) 10:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Abubakar Inuwa Tata moved to draftspace

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2023–24 Women's Big Bash League season

A tag has been placed on Category:2023–24 Women's Big Bash League season indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Help formatting

Hi, can you please help formatting Tanjay National High School under the program below so that it is clickable and not directly visible. Thank you. Rc ramz (talk) 05:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I've added categories, and linked to it from Tanjay, so it's no longer an orphan article. Was that what you meant? Wikishovel (talk) 06:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thank you so much I greatly appreciate it Rc ramz (talk) 06:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Change the Category

Hi, I would like to inform you that Tanjay National High School is not part of Negros Occidental category but it is part of Negros Oriental category because Tanjay National High School (TNHS) is a public high school in Tanjay City in province of Negros Oriental and Negros Occidental is her sister province. Can you please change the category into Negros Oriental. Thank you:⁠-⁠) Rc ramz (talk) 06:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah sorry about my error. Please just go ahead and change that. Wikishovel (talk) 07:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I can't change it for now because it has restrictions and limitation can you please do it. Than you. Rc ramz (talk) 07:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

No, I've checked, it's not restricted. Just hit the "edit source" link at the top, scroll down to the categories at the bottom, and change "Occidental" to "Oriental". Wikishovel (talk) 07:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks I just did Rc ramz (talk) 08:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:List of episodic appearances in CID

Why is draftification appropriate here? I suggested a merge to CID (Indian TV series). ~Kvng (talk) 13:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't draftify, that was User:Sid95Q. Wikishovel (talk)

Thanks, I see that now. ~Kvng (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Karanga and Kalanga

Kalanga people are different from Karanga people. Karanga is a Shona Subgroup mainly in Masvingo.. they are nicknamed VITORI( driven from word Victoria ) Ruud Gwirambira (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Did I make some sort of error connected with this? Wikishovel (talk) 19:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Tagging pages for speedy deletion

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@Liz: Hi, I do use Twinkle for this, but in this case I did it with Twinkle in two steps, to avoid posting what looks like the name of a living person on the vandal's talk page. They know which article I mean. Wikishovel (talk) 05:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Interest Rate Commission Agent Banking System(AIRCABS)

Hello Wikishovel,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Interest Rate Commission Agent Banking System(AIRCABS) for deletion, because it's a redirect that seems implausible or is an unlikely search term.

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Skynxnex (talk) 16:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, should have moved that without a redirect. Wikishovel (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

No worries. And, honestly I'm never sure if I should notify the creator nominating a redirect like that or not... Skynxnex (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

A shovel for you!

	Just a plain shovel, but excellent digging
	Thank you for all your shovel work! Just a plain shovel, but excellent digging. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 12:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Haha thanks Wikishovel (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I need help

Why I say 'I need help'?

Here it's: Hey, can you help me how to create and add template?. Please send a link and video to help me to finish writing in Mapcharts page. Zierland (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I can't find the Mapcharts website online. Is it https://www.mapchart.net/? Wikishovel (talk) 16:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Jackson Maier Thread (Working Together)

First, I have to ask you to stop destructive editing of Jackson Maier. There is a way to do things. I am happy to work with you on changed you deem necessary, seems like you have good experience. The talk page is for discussion those kinds of changes. You can use the sandbox to pitch the code here or on the talk page. Again, please stop destructive editing and edit warring. Faits1789 (talk) 16:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Removing unsourced claims from WP:Biographies of living persons is not destructive editing. Please read WP:Edit warring if you'd like to learn what that is. Wikishovel (talk) 16:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

There's no reason to be abrasive. If you look at my contributions, I specifically narrow my editing focus into help edit up to code for notability and/or sourcing. I label when necessary and I've done that to a plethora of articles recently. There's another user who is helping with reforming the citations and page. If it was a passing edit (it was destructive, articles aren't for sandboxing) then I appreciate your insights truly. If you want to participate on the other thread I would value your insights. Faits1789 (talk) 17:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

You've restored all of the unsourced and WP:BLPPRIMARY claims to the article. You must revert this, or you risk being blocked by an administrator. Wikishovel (talk) 17:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I removed that section, mentioned that in my comment. Was there anything else? Obviously I don't want that. Again I'd appreciate if you could speak a little more respectively, I make good contributions and I keep asking you for things like advice. You're responding with threats. As I said, tell me and I'll bring it up to your expectation Faits1789 (talk) 17:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I haven't fought you on anything once, so please do not have me banned. I'm saying heard and understood. Let me know what actions to take on unsorced material. Faits1789 (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I actually found a picture of him wearing the necklace of the clan and pictured with the family. Will upload those for citation later today. Comes from a verified account online. Will make sure to leave a summary Faits1789 (talk) 17:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea what I've written here that's rude, and I certainly don't want to see you banned. But I've reverted the unsourced, WP:BLPPRIMARY, WP:Original research, and WP:Synthesis claims that you re-added to the article. Please don't add them back without WP:Reliable sources to WP:Verify what you're writing. This is especially important in WP:Biographies of living persons. Thank you. Wikishovel (talk) 17:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, I was the one who suggested taking changes to the talk page. Going forward any questions about changes will be pur there, and all changes will be sourced. Faits1789 (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

That's fine, but as noted in WP:BLP, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" (emphasis added by the authors of that policy). Wikishovel (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification and link there so I can review and be a better editor in the future. I know this place can be hot with problems but trust me I'm not one of em. Before I saw this I removed that section and will carefully review any added material or revisions related to what has been noted by you. As I suggested in the theead, I'd like to be able to consult with you. Just FYI I changed the name in his infobox as the field was for most common. If we don't form consensus on this Dlamini thing I plan to transition it to the regular infobox. Faits1789 (talk) 17:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Would a publically posted photo of him in the Swazi Royal family necklace be considered a solid enough source? Faits1789 (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

No, please see WP:Synthesis. Wikishovel (talk) 02:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Wildsee (Pizol) moved to draftspace

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I quite agree. Thanks for the move. :-) Wikishovel (talk) 15:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Talk Page

Can I delete all messages of my talk page? ML Hossain (talk) 19:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, yes you can, but bear in mind that they will still be visible in the page's history. For more information on this, please see WP:BLANKING. Wikishovel (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much.♥️♥️♥️ ML Hossain (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Giorgio Baldi

I saw that you tagged the above page as both an advert and COI, and I get why you put the COI, but could you explain why it seems to be written as an advert? I don't see anything off with it. - DarkNight0917 | (t/c) 03:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

" It is known for its extensive celebrity clientele", "quickly became a hit", and a lot of name-dropping. I'll fix it when I get through my queue. Wikishovel (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@DarkNight0917: creator was just blocked for sockpuppetry/UPE. Wikishovel (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

A misunderstanding

I wasn't fighting or anything with the user. I was just warning the user thinking that it was an appropriate template.

So requesting you to assume the warnings as good faith. Proper warning is posted at the user's page now. Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

The addition was unsourced

The citation was empty hence the unsourced material was removed. I checked for citation but none was found except the citation ref template.

diff -https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2023_G20_New_Delhi_summit&diff=1174767930&oldid=1174766271 Thewikizoomer (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you not see in that diff the references from CNN, Washington Post and Reuters? Wikishovel (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

They were related to the demolition but they however don't appear to be linked to the summit as informed by government agency - private news source confirmed the govt. report. The demolitions were as per Indian supreme court order and not related to G20 summit in New Delhi - https://www.newsx.com/pib-debunks-cnns-claims-for-g20-summit/ Thewikizoomer (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Then reword or add to the paragraph, don't delete wholesale. If you read the sources cited, they all link it to the G20. The government disagrees. We therefore document both claims. Wikishovel (talk) 15:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Why should the paragraph exist in the 2023 G20 New Delhi summit page if it is not linked to it? Hence removed. Also understand I did that in good faith and wanted to maintain page's relevance. Thewikizoomer (talk) 15:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear it was in good faith. Wikishovel (talk) 15:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

The government disagrees and provided court orders. So yeah, as you said, this may be continued in the article's talk page. Thewikizoomer (talk) 15:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023

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@GiantSnowman: sorry, that was accidental: it was a dead reference, and I cut it (rather than copied) for rescue in the Wayback Machine, then while moving the other reference upward from external links, I somehow lost track of it. I've finished the archive rescue on that reference now. Wikishovel (talk) 12:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. GiantSnowman 13:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanups

Just wanted to say thanks for the cleanups on the bios I've been posting. I very much appreciate it. Nowa (talk) 23:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Nowa: You're very welcome, and thanks for all the work you've done on the subject.

I've been wondering whether a category is a good idea for that sweeping investigation in Georgia, which intersects with investigations in other US states: it would likely encompass several notable events and people. There is a List of alleged Georgia election racketeers in Category:Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election, so a category is probably inappropriate for now. I've just linked Cathy Latham and Bob Cheeley in that list article. Wikishovel (talk) 06:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Karanga and Kalanga

I think you are mistaken on Karanga and Kalanga. There is the Kalanga which others regard as Ndebele subgroup while other regard them as a tribe on its own. They originate from Nguniland. However there are Karanga who are a Shona subgroup whom built the Great Zimbabwe ruins who are largest Shona subgroup. They were in Zimbabwe before Ndebeles ShonaNdebele Historian (talk) 10:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. What specific mistake did I make, and in which article? Wikishovel (talk) 10:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

There was a redirect on 2023 Zimbabwe General Elections article directing to the newly created Karanga(Shona subgroup) article. That page is still there but it’s redirecting to Kalanga article which are different from Karanga.I have the evidence to cement my position on the article. Thank you ShonaNdebele Historian (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Rizwan Sajan

Hey, you added Tone tag to this page Rizwan Sajan, kindly guide me which part is needed to improve. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 13:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

You could start by reading WP:NEWSSTYLE, as it's written like a magazine article, rather than an encyclopedia article. Other than that, I'd have to give you a long list of all the examples of wording that need to be changed, and what to change them to. Wikishovel (talk) 14:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

It will be good if you can give the list of wordings those need to be changed. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 09:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

What is your connection with Mr. Sajan, please? You might find it helpful to read WP:Conflict of interest. Wikishovel (talk) 10:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I have no connection with him, he's one of top businessman of UAE than how can I have connection with him!!! iVickyChoudhary (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Top businessmen have staff, or pay external people, who write Wikipedia articles about them. But thanks for confirming that you have no personal or professional connection with him. Wikishovel (talk) 13:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Your welcome, looking forward for your suggestions on the content. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 10:00, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Bold removal of CSD explanation

Hello, I boldly removed your CSD from Draft:Thala (film) because of the ANI discussion here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Godjo J I wanted editors to see the pattern of editing and cleanup.

Thanks for understanding, if you object I will revert my change.  // Timothy :: talk  19:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue: hi, actually that was your speedy nomination, not mine. I only restored the AFC templates. Wikishovel (talk) 20:04, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikishoovel

I've blocked Wikishoovel as an impersonator. Please file an SPI report to cover the other part of your issue. Cabayi (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll file it now. Wikishovel (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Wikishovel, thank you for monitoring articles related to the Church of Bangladesh. Some of the edits on those articles were inaccurate, such as this one. Please continue to keep an eye out for further disruption. Kind regards, Anupam^Talk 17:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the corrections: I'm able to revert the obvious stuff, but I didn't know anything about United Protestant etc, so a big thank you for the work you've just done on several Church of Bangladesh articles. Wikishovel (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! United Churches (or United Protestant Churches) are denominations that are created by the merger of various Protestant denominations, such as Anglicans, Continental Reformed, Methodist and Presbyterians. The blocked user seemed to be emphasizing the Anglican identity in an WP:UNDUE way when the Church of Bangladesh is a United Church, being created from both the Anglican and Presbyterian denominations in the area. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 15:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Saed Ahmed Bhalli

Greetings. Did this AfD close correctly. It doesn't seem so. -The Gnome (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure, but I believe with G5 it's at the administrators' discretion. To be honest, it seems unlikely that the article will be created by anyone other than the blocked account, so maybe G5 made sense in this case. You could also ask the deleting admin, User:Liz. Wikishovel (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Declined speedy deletion of Adwaith PV

I've declined your speedy deletion request of Adwaith PV as being an Indian record holder is a credible claim of impoortance. However, that person does not meet our notability guidelines so I've nominated at AFD instead. -- Whpq (talk) 20:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 21:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Tip: G5 speedy deletions

You may want to know that the G5 criterion applies to articles that were created by a blocked editor while they were blocked -- i.e. by a sockpuppet, after the master was blocked. I do not think that Draft:T-Series (Music) fits this criterion; it was created in February but the master was only blocked this month. You may want to try another route to deletion, or just let it expire as an abandoned draft. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I made this mistake both here and at Draft:Eagle Music (record label) (same creator), and GBFan declined the latter G5 for the same reason. I guess I'll just leave them to expire, or as a honeypot for the socks. Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion of File:Mike Adenuga.jpg

I have declined your F9 request for File:Mike Adenuga.jpg. This image is explicitly declared to be for non-free use so F9 doe snot apply. -- Whpq (talk) 13:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you mean, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 14:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

You reverted the redirect

...and the only supporting source is a primary source. I am talking about Burlington Blaze. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I fixed an attempted C&P move, then moved Burlington Chiefs to Burlington Blaze based on that reference and their website. I have no opinion on the team's notability. Wikishovel (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:MaxVal Group, Inc.

Err, did you actually read Draft:MaxVal Group, Inc.? It's not an article, it's a misplaced attempt to reply to my message on their talk page. It doesn't belong in mainspace or draftspace. – Joe (talk) 17:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to do with that one. It wasn't quite db-empty or db-test, but it needed to be out of main space, so I figured in draft maybe they'll turn it into something resembling an article. What should I have done? Wikishovel (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

{{db-contact}} is probably the best-fitting template, but any way of bringing it to my or another admin's attention would do. It's no big deal but, since you are fairly new to new page patrolling, I hope you can indulge me a bit of unsolicited advice: putting hopeless content in draftspace and be just as discouraging to creators as putting good content there. Draft:Ruposhi Bangla College is another example – it should have been a {{db-empty}}. Many new NPPers fall into the trap of using draftspace for anything they're not sure about, but that's really not what it's there for. – Joe (talk) 18:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Joe Roe: do me a favour and re-read this section. Look at your sarcastic, belittling opening sentence. I work really hard here. Would a little kindness really have killed you? Wikishovel (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I apologise if it came across as sarcastic, that wasn't the intention. – Joe (talk) 04:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Yooooo

Hi @Wikishovel, quite a while here, just saw your edit on my newly created page. Nice one. Review when you can, cheers! B.Korlah (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I'm fixing a problem with copyright on She Must Be Obeyed: please re-read the Wikipedia policies on copyright. When you add copyrighted work to articles, it creates extra work for the administrators and potential legal problems for Wikipedia, and you've been warned about this a few times at your talk page. Wikishovel (talk) 12:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wikishovel, I can see what you’re calling the copyright issues, which is the summary of the movie, however, summary of the movie is the same across board and I still put it up in my own word, but I’ve since removed it as advised by you, so that’s why I removed the tag, since that particular heading has been removed in completion B.Korlah (talk) 12:41, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I removed the copyright from the visible article, but for legal reasons must also be hidden from the edit history of the article. Please wait until an administrator fixes this problem before removing the copyvio template again. Wikishovel (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

October 2023

Hello, @Wikishovel welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia, such as Evb-wiki (talk · contribs) and Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk · contribs) . Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Thank you. Helloasir (talk) 10:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Revenge posts now, is it? Please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Wikishovel (talk) 10:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for help

@Wikishovel, Please help me with my nomination for deletion Gedela Srinubabu. I just kept it on the talk page.Aiin2050 (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

How to Unblocked Sock puppetry

Please Help Me how i can edit Wikipedia normally and contribute. i want to contribute and edit page but every time my account is getting blocked Because of sock puppetry please guide me how can i edits properly. Galmoldui (talk) 09:48, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Instructions for appealing a block are at User_talk:Amansharma111#August_2023_2. Wikishovel (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

After that i can edit Wikipedia? Galmoldui (talk) 09:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

If your original account is unblocked, yes. Is Amansharma111 your first account? Wikishovel (talk) 09:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Its blocked so how can i request ?

i am fed-up so please help me sir Galmoldui (talk) 09:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Is Amansharma111 your first account? Wikishovel (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

yes Galmoldui (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

before that i dont know the rule that i cant create or use multiple account its was my mistake Galmoldui (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Please i really need your help Galmoldui (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

If you can't log in to edit that talk page, then submit a request at Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. Wikishovel (talk) 10:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Bright Lights and Country Music (Rick Nelson album) for deletion

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Can you give me a tip?

Hi @Wikishovel. I did a once through on Systematic Software Engineering to remove promotional language. Honestly, if you look at the cited material, it's often the same language. Could you point to one or two phrases you've found problematic? I'll remove them and any other phrases like them. Thank you for your time on this. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 08:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your efforts on making the tone more neutral. I think you've hit the nail on the head: the problem might lie in writing too closely to the tone of the cited sources. Some examples:

• "With that flexibility, Systematic positioned itself a supplier of software systems for defence, but also the healthcare sector on a global scale."
• "While the company has been moving towards a broader product offering, its military customer base has strengthened."
• "It leverages artificial intelligence to manage and exploit big data, and provide commanders with critical insights into the battlespace."

The product descriptions more generally read like a brochure describing the products' benefits, and should be much shorter.

I hope that's useful. Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 08:51, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Very clear advice. Shall implement. Thank you @Wikishovel. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 21:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay, following this super-clear feedback from you, @Wikishovel, here are the seven changes I have worked on.

1. Settled on more formal language throughout, so "With that flexibility, Systematic positioned itself.." is now "As such, Systematic became..."

2. Removed language that sounds congratulatory, such as the phrase you pointed out "has strengthened", but also "extensive", in other places "many" has become "several"

3. I think the word "new" feels like PR, I have tried to remove that where it makes sense to do so. As does the word "announced" which has been eliminated.

4. Likewise, anything that sounds like it may have originally been part of a business plan has gone, so I've removed "global scale."

5. When it came to the product descriptions, I actually tracked down the brochureware so it DOESN'T have the same language. (Originally I avoided doing that because I didn't want that language in my head.) I think the key here is purging adjectives and adverbs like "full", "comprehensive," "high-performance", "automatically" and "integrated." Overall, I just shortened these descriptors too.

6. Noticed a few claims that needed their own citations, so added them.

7. I did add an image of a Bushmaster. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Good evening @Wikishovel - have completed that set of changes, wanted to see if you had any further comments on Systematic Software Engineering MatthewDalhousie (talk) 09:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, it's better than it was, but the tone is still quite promotional, and it's mostly referenced by press releases, sponsored content, and interviews. Are you connected with the company, on a professional or personal basis? Wikishovel (talk) 10:40, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh man. I feel like giving up on this. Someone else should have a try at it. I ignored their press releases by the way. It's all from industry journals, mostly from here in Australia.

And no, I don't/arent.

I thought all the warm language was purged. Seriously - can you point me to a phrase that voters you? MatthewDalhousie (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• a phrase that bothers you? MatthewDalhousie (talk) 12:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

  Should I just torch all the products?

  MatthewDalhousie (talk) 12:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to tell you here, if you can't see the promotional tone. It's not just the products, it's the way the company is pitched rather than described. The photo of a tank commander in action, captioned "The Headquarters system can be used to connect directly with commanders in theatre" is one example of the article reading like a brochure. This photo also appears to be company marketing. You uploaded it to Flickr, and then uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons. But where did it come from before Flickr? The metadata of this one and some others is a bit confusing. Wikishovel (talk) 14:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Actually a bit embarrassed here. You were absolutely right about the PR material. I took a few news sources on face value, but, a good handful were simply recycled media releases. One of the tells, to which I was oblivious, but should have noticed, was when there was no journalist putting their name to the piece. So to my changes:

1. I have removed anything from army-technology.com navalteam.dk battleupdates.com mynewsdesk.com and I think from European Defence Review for good measure.

2. In the process, I found some sources which are reliable, and well regarded, such as Jane's Defence Weekly and the other publications from that masthead.

3. With regards to the description of IRIS, again, you were right, that did come from a media-release-that-looked-like-a-journal article where it made a claim but didn't actually have a person it reported who was making the claim, so I did my research, found a journal article from an academic conference and used and cited that statement (a certain J Molitoris).

4. I think I've successfully removed all the places where there was a primary source used for the citation (there was a book called "It's all about making a difference" which had lots of interesting dates and whatnot, but I could see it was problematic, so have just removed it entirely, and the claims that depended on it. There is only one primary source quote left I think, and it's right at the end, which is about the current and future ownership of the company. If you consider that still to be a bit of an issue, let me know and I'll remove that too.

5. I removed the image of the founder for two reasons, first because, while not flattering, it may be it had a promotional effect, in which case better for it to be gone. More appropriate if the article was about that person, rather than about a corporation. Second because you seemed unsure about provenance. The truth is the Australian Defence Magazine featured the photos of the person, and, via email, the photographer (someone called Pernille) gave permission for a number of shots to be released under creative commons and so they were uploaded to Flickr as such. If it respected everyone's privacy I guess I could forward that permission on to you I suppose. Anyway, none of that may be necessary as I've removed the image.

6. I shortened the outline of all the products. Seems fitting for an article about a corporation to cover its products, but I think you're right, there was some sell-y language. Anything expansive has been removed. Still I found that, to describe what the product is for, a given sentence will need to have verb somewhere. Generally I've gone with "x provides y" as the basic structure, I think that's the detached kind of tone that an encyclopedia requires.

My humble (and humiliated) thanks to you @Wikishovel. The article did have a lot of those Media Releases and, I confess now, a lot of the language those releases contained. Having purged those, in favour of the more respected (and better written) Defence journals seems have improved things, on my reading anyway.

Do let me know if you see further opportunities to improve this article.

Kind regards, MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

It's definitely getting better, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 06:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Wikishovel. I believe you have spurred me on to greater things, in this regard.

I'm keen to see the article reach a decent level of quality, so please let me know if you spot something that could be better.

Yours gratefully MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

You've done an excellent job at improving the article, thank you. And please don't feel humiliated: we're all learning, every editor, every single day. I could point you at some of the goofy shit I've accidentally done on Wikipedia, but let's... not go there. Wikishovel (talk) 05:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

You've made my day.

More strength to your editing arm. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 06:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

And my thanks to @Onel5969, @Rich Smith and @Faij too. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 07:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Cloud9 Entertainment

Hi, I have made substantial edits, which got published whole I was editing the final version, due to glitch. The concerns raise I completely is genuine and proper deletion of such statements made already. Requesting you to relook and withdraw tags BrightsForever (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, it's still quite promotional:

• "to gain international opportunities",
• "Bright saw immense potential in Thai entertainment industry, hence he announced the plans to create a new entity to manage, nurture, protect its talent along with promotion of their events, and to improve Thai markets visibility around the globe",
• "The agency is partnering with Universal Music Thailand to help Thai talents achieve opportunities on an international forum".

etc. Wikishovel (talk) 17:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Its vision of the founder to provide Thai artist opportunities were their work is visible in international forum.

With this aim, he is in partnership with Universal Music Thailand, which is established music group, to support promote Thai artist work to larger audience.This is supported by interview published on the citations.

Please, guide me to tone it done further in acceptable manner, as vision and effort of the agency so far needs a mention.

No deliberate intention is made. It need cleansing which for sure based on your advice I will do. However please consider withdrawal of deletion BrightsForever (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh Geeez (indie band)

Hello sir. Can I ask you a question? Why do you have to remove an indie band from Milwaukee even though this is the only source we've got and yet you remove it because it's "outsourced." NahuelFanboy2004 (talk) 11:10, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I don't understand what you mean by "outsourced". I nominated the article for deletion because I don't believe the band meets the notability guidelines for a separate article, as outlined at WP:BAND. Please don't take it personally: it's simply about sticking to agreed policies arrived at by a consensus of Wikipedia editors. Wikishovel (talk) 11:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

And what do you mean by that?

... NahuelFanboy2004 (talk) 14:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

What do I mean by what? Wikishovel (talk) 14:55, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Move page Neeraj Maan to Neeraj

Dear sir Kindly move the Wikipedia page of Mr.Neeraj Maan to Mr Neeraj . He is an Indian rower who have recently won a medal at the recently concluded Asian games Neeraj Maan Lakshays143 (talk) 06:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Neeraj Maan doesn't actually call him Mr Neeraj in any of the sources cited. Please see Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, thanks. Wikishovel (talk)

I need your help in reviewing a page of the Permanent Secretary Nigeria’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs

I have published the page but it is yet to be reviewed. The name is Adamu Ibrahim Lamuwa. Alkherly1993 (talk) 09:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

The first step is to fix the problem of copyright. Another editor has already tagged the page for close paraphrase: about two thirds of the article is copied from a copyrighted source. Please rewrite it in your own words, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 09:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I just did as you asked. I need your help in reviewing it. Can you now help me review the page . I truly appreciate your prompt response and guidance. Thank you very much. Alkherly1993 (talk) 09:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

At Adamu Ibrahim Lamuwa, please click on the "Copyvios report" link to see the ongoing problem. Wikishovel (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I have published a page that has been reviewed and published but I want to hide it for while.

I have published a page that has been reviewed and published but I want to hide it for while. How do i do that? And when I want it back, how is that done? For example can I take it to draft? When I want to remove it from draft, how do I do it? Alkherly1993 (talk) 10:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Which page? Wikishovel (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I want to know how I can send a reviewed page to draft. And thereafter when I want to publish it again, how do I do that? Can you help please? Alkherly1993 (talk) 11:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes you said that already. Which page? Wikishovel (talk) 11:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Sule Abdulaziz but do not do it, I just want to be guided. Alkherly1993 (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Why do you want to move that page to draft? What's wrong with it? Wikishovel (talk) 11:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I want to work towards advancing the page more. But I think you can leave it. I can make the adjustment with its presence.

however, I am still having issues with publishing Adamu Ibrahim Lamuwa despite changing the work to mine.

also another page created by me more than three years ago Ahmed Rufai Abubakar needs additional citation even though it has been reviewed.

Can you help me with the two pages? Alkherly1993 (talk) 12:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Ahmed Rufai Abubakar is sourced well enough for a short article, so I've removed the template saying that it needs more. Adamu Ibrahim Lamuwa needs the copyrighted text to be rewritten, as I mentioned. Go for it. Wikishovel (talk) 12:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I think you have misunderstood my point. Some messages must appear the same. For example, the schools and Universities he has attended, where he hails from, his current office must be the same. Same applies to his career experience. I can't change them. But in my reference, I have attached from where it was alleged that I copied from. Can you review it one more time? Adamu Ibrahim Lamuwa Alkherly1993 (talk) 12:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I see what you mean. Tag removed. Wikishovel (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Can you now help me review the page please so that it can be visible ince searched just as you did to Sule Abdulaziz Alkherly1993 (talk) 12:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

The page Adamu Ibrahim Lamuwa has still not been reviewed 😞😞🥹🥹 Alkherly1993 (talk) 14:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. I went to make the Caras y Caretas page and it was already there! Thank you for contributions by putting in the work with disambiguation articles! WMrapids (talk) 04:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Wikishovel (talk) 08:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Declined G5's

Hi there, FYI I have deleted the drafts you tagged as created by the banned Applus2021, but have left the three mainspace articles - Prism Video Converter (software), Baldev Singh Khiala and Dev Raj Singh Talwandi. According to Cabayi here, ArbCom have received an appeal. Pending the outcome of the appeal, we can delete for G5 after that is resolved. (Give it a couple of weeks from now and if no news, ping me and I will delete.) Cheers, Daniel (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing that out, and yes I'll ping you if the appeal is rejected, rather than renominate G5. Wikishovel (talk) 04:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

ArbCom declined the appeal a couple of days ago. Looking at the SPI, it's waiting for ScholarlyScribe (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), AustinTravis27 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), and AustinTravis27 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) to be split out into a separate case with ScholarlyScribe as the master. This will put the G5 date for their creations at 22:33, 17 October 2023 when all three accounts were blocked. As all three accounts were blocked at the same time there won't be any G5-able material. ​ Cabayi (talk) 09:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, looking back at the SPI again, I see what you're saying. Thanks for the explanation. Wikishovel (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Cloud9 Entertainment

Hi, this is modified page of the previous article which was nominated, hence speedy deletion should be reconsidered BrightsForever (talk) 06:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

An administrator will review the page shortly. Wikishovel (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar

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		Nice work spotting and highlighting those copyvios! Harrias (he/him) • talk 15:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Wikishovel (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

RM

You can't directly edit Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions. That page is built on-the-fly every few minutes by a bot, so if you post something to it it will just be erased moments later. If you have a comment on a particular requested move, you have to go to the talk page of the page to be moved and comment there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Agggh. I knew that, yet did it wrong. Quite a rough night unfortunately. Thanks for catching that. Wikishovel (talk) 07:13, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Meragram

The page Meragram has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it was a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, you may contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you may open a discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Liz: last I saw it, that was an article created by User:Anima303. Then User:Dan arndt moved that to Draft:Meragram. What was it implausibly pointing at by the time you ran across it? There's been some "creative" page-moving and page hijacking by article creator. Wikishovel (talk) 17:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Tabled logic programming

Dear Wikishovel, Thank you for your diligence in flagging copyright violations! In this case, the source article is freely licensed under a CC-BY license and the appropriate attribution template is at the bottom of the article. Is there anything else that needs to be done? Felix QW (talk) 10:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I beg your pardon, you're absolutely right. Tag reverted, sorry. Wikishovel (talk) 10:59, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all! Being often involved in copyright matters with our files, I know it can be a thankless job. Have a good weekend! Felix QW (talk) 13:59, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

You too! 👋 Wikishovel (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Improving article

Hello @Wikishovel . You recently tagged "orphan" to this article Social media use in health awareness. Since I am still a learner , please let me know how I can improve this article. EEverest 8848 (talk) 12:29, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. An orphan article is an article that no other Wikipedia article links to. I couldn't think of an article where a link to that article you started would fit, so I tagged that article as orphan. But now that you've mentioned it, I've just had another look, and added a link in Social media#Governments, as that's one use the article mentions. I'll remove the orphan tag now. Wikishovel (talk) 12:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will try to improve it further. EEverest 8848 (talk) 15:07, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

St. Peter's College of Ormoc

Can you please help me add the history of St.Peter's Collage of Ormoc I got the History Of SPCO, Can I get your Gmail Account So I Can Send Them Direct to You? JOHN GABRIEL231 (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@JOHN GABRIEL231: I suggest that you post links to the history at Talk:St. Peter's College of Ormoc. Wikishovel (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for being patient with a new editor!

Hi there - I'm supporting some new editors at an event, and one accidentally published to mainspace rather than draft - we got it moved to the correct place, but not before you'd done some work I see - thanks for being patient, greatly appreciated. Lirazelf (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Sorry about that mildly grumpy edit summary: I thought an over-eager new page patroller had moved it to draft, but it turned out to have been the article creator. Thanks for your mentoring work. Wikishovel (talk) 14:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Editing

Hello My Respected Senior User, I mistakenly edited 2 pages created by User:ChugLug, what to do now? I'm having no connection with them i just fixed the mistakes what i saw in the articles. -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, don't worry, I don't think anyone suspects you of involvement with Sazmancrpo's sockpuppets. Lots of editors mistakenly edit articles by puppeteers before the articles get deleted. Wikishovel (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Wikishovel Thank You Very Much, will always be grateful to you. -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 15:01, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Sibelius

Hi, Wikishovel (great name, btw) ... I noticed the unnecessary disambiguation moves you made of a few of the Sibelius compositions for which I created articles. Thanks (and apologies on not being totally familiar with article naming best practices)! I was wondering if such a move should/could also be made for: Six Humoresques (Sibelius), Two Serenades (Sibelius) (there's kind of a similar article by Brahms), and Pan and Echo (Sibelius). Also, I have decided to take Academic cantatas and split it into two separate articles, such that the old article would be empty (deleted? redirected?). Could you perhaps let me know what is the appropriate way to do this task? Thanks (and nice to meet you)! ~ Silence of Järvenpää 15:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and no apologies needed. Thank you for starting those excellent Sibelius articles, and your work on templates, etc.

Happy to help with the page moves:

• There doesn't seem to be a Six Humoresques by any other notable composer.
• Pan and Echo could refer to the two mythological figures, but on balance I'd say that Sibelius' composition is reasonably the best use for that title, and we can link to Pan (god) and Echo (mythology) from there, to avoid any confusion.

• Two Serenades, with a capital "S", can have a hatnote distinguishing Brahms' two serenades.

On the subject of splitting Academic cantatas, have you read WP:PROSPLIT? Proposing the split in a discussion might be the best course. I love music, but am probably too ignorant of musicology to contribute to the discussion, apart from on a practical level of actually moving the content around.

I'll get onto the simpler page move tasks now. Wikishovel (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Page moves done, with template updates, and links and hatnote as mentioned above. Kiitos! Wikishovel (talk) 16:10, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Puya

Meitei literature and Puya (Meitei Manuscript) can these two be two different main article or not? Presently there is only a sub section of puya. Would you kindly help? I wanted to expand the sub section to a main using WP:RS 🐲 ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯪ ^{ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk)} 14:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, the WP:Consensus at Talk:Puya (Meitei texts) was to merge, so please propose your split there, thanks. If a new consensus can be found to split the article, then yes I'd be happy to help.

In the meantime, please feel free to expand the target, Meitei literature#Puyas, which is quite short at the moment. Wikishovel (talk) 14:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks I will request for a split and I have added the contents as you suggested to the target Meitei literature#Puyas .🐲 ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯪ ^{ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk)} 14:44, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

SPI

Hello, I have seen you active at SPI. This might be interesting for you. Cheers. Maliner (talk) 15:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, can't quite see a case strong enough for SPI yet, but if you open an SPI, I might be able to add to it. Wikishovel (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive

Hello Wikishovel:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over 2500 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Discord invite

Hey there. Congrats on being on the backlog drive leaderboard. I really appreciate you helping out at NPP. If you want to hang out with other NPPs, consider joining us on the NPP Discord. Discord is live chat software that can be really fun. If not no worries. Thanks and see you around :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023 NPP backlog drive – Streak award

		Planetary Gear Award
		This award is given to Wikishovel for collecting more than 100 points per week in the October 2023 NPP backlog drive. Thank you so much for your continuous contributions to the drive! Hey man im josh (talk) 01:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

October 2023 NPP backlog drive – Points award

		The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia
		This award is given to Wikishovel for collecting more than 500 points during the October 2023 NPP backlog drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to the drive! Hey man im josh (talk) 01:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Can make a Disambiguation page?

I just seen the tagging alert,

and also just found out Tsugunai was occupied beforehand, when creating redirect for Chinese Mandarin version of a Japanese song (Both uses same tune)

Per (Special:Diff/606012821) tagged by Nguyễn Quốc Việt

Can I make a Disambiguation page for both 1985 song and 2001 video game page? Or leave it as it is becuase (WP:Systemic bias) audience are (largely) younger and (mostly IT-Savvy) and not (largely Eastern Asians) Gen-X and older? --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 07:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I would leave it, until there are more things to disambiguate: see WP:TWODABS. The odds of a third article called "Tsugunai" seem pretty slim, and there's no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Wikishovel (talk) 07:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Cat12zu3 (talk) 09:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Fresh NPP Reviewer of the month

		New Reviewer Award
		Awarded to Wikishovel, for being the top reviewer for October 2023, among the new reviewers. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

P.S. If you are interested the annual awards that are given out for NPP, please take a look at WP:NPPA. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Wikishovel (talk) 07:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

The utility of links in text

Hello @Wikishovel, thanks for adding additions to the Hyoscyamus aureus page. For something like the link to iNaturalist photos after the description ("see iNaturalist photos"), you turned it into a number reference to the bottom, which may well be default practice. I'm wondering if there's any suitable way it can still stay in as a direct link, since to understand the description most users do need to click to see photos (in contrast to more erudite links which only few will follow), and they're unlikely to follow a number reference (which they would probably suppose links to more text). I think it's best right there somehow just after at the end of the description, but another option might be to have an External Links section, since that would be also somewhat visible to users. Let me know your thoughts. Meteorquake (talk) 12:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello. The policies for external links are described at WP:External links. Your idea of an external links section on that page sounds like a good one. Please ping if I can be of help with that. Wikishovel (talk) 12:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

November 2023

Don’t ever do that again! Molarinoye09 (talk) 08:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Molarinoye09: Hello. What should I never do again? Wikishovel (talk) 08:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Khalid, need yo chat. 2A00:23EE:12A8:3B9D:60F9:B021:E215:4920 (talk) 09:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for making a report about Knc358 (talk · contribs · block log) at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, it appears that the editor you reported may not have engaged in vandalism, or the user was not sufficiently or appropriately warned. Please note there is a difference between vandalism and unhelpful or misguided edits made in good faith. If the user continues to vandalise after a recent final warning, please re-report it. Thank you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: the user had a level 4 warning, and replaced Imran Khan's name with their own in the diff I supplied. If you check their edit history, they're a vandalism-only account. Wikishovel (talk) 14:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Please read the instructions in the header at AIV. AIV is for active vandals; this editor had not edited in two days. AIV is for users who have continued after warnings; the user had not edited since the final warning you gave them, contrary to your inaccurate report. Please make sure you make accurate statements at AIV and only report in line with the instructions. Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Their final warning was on the 24th, and the edit I reported them for was on the 25th, and reverted today. That's continuing after a final warning. I don't see where AIV says "don't report a vandal if two days have elapsed since their continued vandalism". Wikishovel (talk) 14:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Don't trust this user he is a scammer

Wikishovel contacted me on LinkedIn using the name (Redacted), offering to publish my company on Wikipedia for $200. His real name (Redacted) from Pakistan. He is not to be trusted and should not be an administrator of Wikipedia. (Redacted) The-symbiant (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

• Wikishovel is not an adminstrator. Read WP:SCAM. Cullen328 (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Well he is publishing articles under a new user, then pushing them to be live. He charges for this. Should he be allowed to do this? The-symbiant (talk) 20:29, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Hello User:The-symbiant. If you wish to report me for wrongdoing, the place to report it is WP:ANI. Not here, nor at Talk:Wikipedia administrators. Wikishovel (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
    • your reported. The-symbiant (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

      My apologies, the scammer was claiming to be Wikishovel. It now appears this user is innocent. The-symbiant (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

• The-symbiant (talk · contribs) took you to Talk:Wikipedia administrators as well. ☺ I've transferred that to the Incidents Noticeboard. Uncle G (talk) 03:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi. I blanked it because...

Hi I see you put back the text that I blanked on my article Jeff Browne. I thought it would be reasonable to blank it. It clearly does not mention Browne. Otherwise, thoughts?? Thanks, MrFlyingPies23 (talk) 09:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC).

Hi. It's fine to remove content for a reason like that, but you didn't give an edit summary. Wikishovel (talk) 09:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh sorry dude. Rookie mistake. Bad move. My fault, MrFlyingPies23 (talk) 09:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

So should I keep it? MrFlyingPies23 (talk) 09:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

If you still want to remove it, go ahead, but please just give an edit summary so your fellow editors understand why. Wikishovel (talk) 09:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

alright From, MrFlyingPies23 (talk) 09:49, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding speedy deletion on Palak Tiwari's page

Most Respected Sir Namaskar Palak Tiwari is a famous Indian actress, you can know about her at your level. She is the daughter of Bollywood film actress Shweta Tiwari. Apart from this, she is active in Indian films. I feel that her page should not be removed. If you feel that there is a need to improve the page, then you will be greatly appreciated if you help me in improving it. Thank you WaftCinematic (talk) 13:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, the article was deleted in September following a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palak Tiwari. If you believe that the article was deleted in error, you can request a review of the deletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Wikishovel (talk) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you sir, but Palak Tiwari is a famous actress, her page should not be deleted, I am new to Wikipedia, I do not have much knowledge, please guide me and help me in making this page permanent. WaftCinematic (talk) 13:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for your tireless contributions to the New page patrol. Your efforts are immensely valued. Thilsebatti (talk) 08:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Wikishovel (talk) 09:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Help

Dear Wikishovel,Hello, Roundex is leave a short message on my Usertalk page ; and he written in message Who are you and you will be fine; like words are using, I Thinking they threats me, I think perhaps this diff is proving helpful will be in this case. Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 09:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I can't see any threatening language in there, but if you believe you're being threatened I can help you report it to an administrator if you want. Wikishovel (talk)

Thanks for your reply me ; I think you already mention Roundex in this case. Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 09:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Wikishovel, Hello, Can you complete this request, If you feel confortable. Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 03:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, that move might be opposed by some editors on the grounds of WP:COMMONNAME, so it's best if you propose the move for that one, as outlined at WP:PCM. Wikishovel (talk) 03:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I think maybe it won't happen since what it is not a controversial issue, but she only changed his surname, but I would like to thank you for replying to me, although my request has already been completed there.Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 05:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you please help me publish the Page for you thanked me

Can you please help me publish the Page for you thanked me Pratik.S2005 (talk) 07:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mira-Bhayander, Vasai-Virar Police is already published. It could use some more reliable sources, but otherwise it's fine. Wikishovel (talk) 07:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Carter family (EastEnders)

Hello Wikishovel. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Carter family (EastEnders), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not previously been deleted via a deletion discussion. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Wikishovel. Oops. List of mistakes made by Shirt58 isn't a valid WP:REDIRECT to User contributions for Shirt58 but sometimes - like this - I think it should be.--Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Haha, no problem. It was a very thin consensus last time, so 2nd deletion discussion seems sensible. Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Albert Brooks: Defending My Life

Thanks for your work on the article! I just started it and was hoping someone else would work on it. :-) Vajzë Blu (talk) 01:04, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for starting it. I used to listen to Brooks' standup comedy on the radio when I was a kid. Had no idea that Reiner was making a movie about him, yay! Can't wait to see it. You've cheered up an otherwise glum week, thank you. Maybe I should try creating articles about happy things. 🙂 Wikishovel (talk) 09:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Cool. I hope your week gets better. Write happy things! 🙂 Vajzë Blu (talk) 22:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:OABOT

Hello! I've noticed you're very active fixing citations with reFill. Have you tried the oabot tool? I'd love to hear about your experience doing some edits with it. There are new suggested edits in the queue. Nemo 21:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Wow, looks good enough to eat. Will definitely give it a try, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 21:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@wikishovel

Wikishovel please don't make my user page as a draft pls revert it to a user pag Familcom (talk) 07:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

You moved an article to your user page. Several editors worked on that article. You should not have moved the article to your user page. Now an administrator has to help fix this problem. Wikishovel (talk) 07:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

ok Familcom (talk) 07:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Rohit Mehta

Wasn't sure if you were going to track this down for possible SPI. If not, let me know and I can do it. Let me know either way. CNMall41 (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Just looking at it for less than a minute it is pretty clear cut in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

If you look at the retrieval date on the references, they are from prior to when the submitter created their account and prior to when the page was speedily deleted. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, sorry currently busy IRL for at least a few hours, but if you don't jump on it right away, I can have a look later, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Haha. Same here. It can wait a little bit as based on the behavior with these film-related article, there will be more evidence and expose more accounts to let it run a few hours. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Definitely a powerful footwear aroma from all of their articles, but apart from the RM one not sure I can see enough behavioural evidence yet for a SPI. If you've got more, then please go ahead and file it, and I'll be happy to help where I can. Wikishovel (talk) 06:59, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Did quite a bit of digging and believe it is connected to this SPI. I added the information and pinged those involved in case you have anything else you want to add to the evidence. Cheers!--CNMall41 (talk) 22:05, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Do not delete Saathi (1991 film)

Please do not delete Saathi (1991 film) because I have added references, sources or citations to this page. And I had also made this page in very simple language. KungfuPanda2008 (talk) 11:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, an administrator will decide whether it's substantially different to the version that was deleted. Wikishovel (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

The only ones who must discuss the deletion before removing the tag are those who've created it - not uninvolved users. Please remove your tag and reopen a second AfD nomination. The guideline applies for all speedy deletion tags. WP:CSD clearly says:

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Hm, OK, you're right, I misread WP:CSD, sorry. Wikishovel (talk) 15:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of From Here (film) for deletion

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List of Pakistanis by net worth

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	GOOD ON YOU for digging through the references to correct the errors on that page. Joyous! Noise! 23:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Why thank you. Nice to have some support on that. There's a lot more to be done there, not least because the references are so out of date, and I truly don't fancy weighing up the quality of newer sources for such a loaded topic. Just reducing the number of glaring hoaxes would be nice. Thanks for the page protection. Wikishovel (talk) 00:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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In favour of keeping the parentheses/disambiguator for the article Pilli Bebek

A 2003 Turkish television series broadcast on ATV with the same name exists aswell.

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilli_Bebek (Pilli Bebek, disambiguation page on the Turkish Wikipedia)

Articles where Pilli Bebek (TV series) is mentioned on the English Wikipedia: Mehmet Günsür, Begüm Birgören, Alican Yücesoy Arsabent (talk) 13:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, there's no hurry with that. Please go ahead and create the TV series article if you wish (the TV article doesn't exist yet at Turkish Wikipedia), and if there's no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, then we can always move the band article later. It's often better to use a WP:HATNOTE than to create a disambiguation page for just two articles. Wikishovel (talk) 13:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you for informing me. Arsabent (talk) 15:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

A10

Regarding Draft:Taskin A. kayum, A10 only applies to articles. Draft space is not article space. Please take time to read and understand the WP:criteria for speedy deletion. -- Whpq (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Whpq: yeah I know, but it simplifies hoax detection to compare the fake article with the original using the A10 template. Wikishovel (talk) 15:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

It's not hard to do a comparison and if you wanted to have it set up for the admin, you could have posted on the talk page with special:comparepages set up. There's no need for using misleading speedy deletion criteria. -- Whpq (talk) 01:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, I didn't know about special:comparepages, thanks. It wasn't my intention to mislead. Wikishovel (talk) 06:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (he's deleting the Article unnecessary of Hacktivist Vanguard) --Pplkhhb (talk) 10:18, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Biography edit

Please help me add subsections (background, career, Philanthropy, personal life) on the Oskar Ibru page. Don't know how to do that yet.

Thanks for your work on the Goodie Ibru page btw. Jay Kenechukwu (talk) 11:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Wikishovel (talk) 11:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Please help create subsections (background, career, personal life) on the Emmanuel Ibru page.Thank you. Jay Kenechukwu (talk) 04:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello again!! This is me dropping a kind reminder concerning the Emmanuel Ibru page. Please help create (Eary life, education and career) subsections on the page.

Thank you. Jay Kenechukwu (talk) 08:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of About Dr Lynne Ellsworth Larsen

A tag has been placed on About Dr Lynne Ellsworth Larsen requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Melcous (talk) 02:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Ha! yeah I missed that one, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 06:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Do you think it's a good idea to create some sort of page like "User:xxx/Why am I trying to delete your article?" to point people to, or would that be a waste of time? Fermiboson (talk) 16:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, that's an interesting idea, and not a waste of time at all. A lot of new editors seem genuinely surprised when their ultra-spammy company article gets nominated for db-spam, for example, or when a completely non-notable exec from a just-about-notable company gets nominated db-bio. Much better to explain, more gently than the standard templates I've seen.

Somebody must have made one of these already, right? I'll have a scrounge.Wikishovel (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, have you seen WP:DELETED, WP:TAGGED and WP:SAVE yet? Wikishovel (talk) 17:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, those are useful as well. Fermiboson (talk) 18:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Kemi Ibru page

Hi Wiki! Please help review and organize the Kemi Ibru page. Thanks! Jay Kenechukwu (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Redirect of Trump rhetoric page

Hello Wikishovel. I was surprised to see a redirect of that brand new page still in its earliest stages of formation. Even if that's not the ultimate title of the page, I think there's lots to gather in such an article, and we should let editors contribute for awhile before concluding that there is not enough to work with. Please restore the page and see what it looks like in a week or two. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 16:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, it was a single sentence with a single reference, and doesn't really add to that section at the main article, so I redirected it there (two hours after creation), and tagged it as a "redirect with possibilities". Please feel free to build it up as a separate article, perhaps using content at the current target section. Or, even if you think the single sentence is sufficient on its own as a stub, then feel free to unredirect. Wikishovel (talk) 16:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

That's how articlces start out. Thanks for your reply. I don't know how to undo a redirect, so I would appreciate it if you could do that. SPECIFICO talk 16:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

You clearly do know how to undo edits, so I'm not sure why you're asking, but I've gone ahead and self-reverted as you've asked. Wikishovel (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I have gotten mixed up with redirects, templates, image placement, and other things that go beyond simple article and talk page prose. So that's why I asked. SPECIFICO talk 23:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Respected Sir User:Dotdashmeredith

Hello Sir @Wikishovel this user @dotdashmeredith doing sockpuppetry on Simple English Wikipedia the article you have raised against sock puppetry Poybo Media he creates on Simple Wikipedia. and he is now doing vandalism on Simple Wikipedia please do some thing he is deleting random articles there and doing disruptive edits there. Simonsmichel (talk) 07:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Dotdash is there to get himself unblocked here, he didn't do anything there that was blockworthy, you are doing what is called a fishing expedition. (Plus, enwiki admins have no permissions in simplewiki, unless they have both permissions on both wikis) RiggedMint (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I found a lot of spam accounts, what should I do?

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to discuss an issue I've encountered on Wikipedia that concerns the neutrality here. Recently, I've noticed a surge in spam accounts on several Wikipedia pages, and I'm seeking guidance on how to effectively address this problem. May I disclose them here or should I email someone on Wikipedia?

176.111.124.214 (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Wikishovel I forgot to mention you. Hope you are doing well in high spirits and good health. As the festive season approaches, I wanted to take a moment to extend my warmest greetings to you and your loved ones. Merry Christmas! I hope my awkward message won't bother you much. 176.111.124.214 (talk) 16:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Wikishovel bestttt! 176.111.124.214 (talk) 16:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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User:Warming polity

Hello @Wikishovel i saw that something is going wrong on English Wikipedia and Simple English Wikipedia a big mastermind playing games of Sock puppet account i saw logs that few months ago Poybo Media article is deleted from English Wikipedia and when i saw logs on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/50mMidas/Archive of user: Dotdashmeredith that he creates this article and the same user creates Poybo Media on Simple English Wikipedia he focused on 3 Names Poybo Media , Justin Jin , The Vach , and The Vach currently live on Simple English Wikipedia. And created by the same user. And suddenly he actives today and creates 3 Acoounts on English Wikipedia with the names Poybo Media , Justin Jin (businessman) and The Vach under the username of User:Warming polity i think he is also a sock puppet and now he is trying to push spam articles on Simple English WikipediaSimple English Wikipedia. 103.149.126.107 (talk) 09:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Dotdash and Warming are unrelated, The latter and this IP is trying to make dotdash look like a bad person... RiggedMint (talk) 14:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Elaborating further, dotdash is blocked here for socking, but they are actively trying their best on simplewiki to get unblocked here, giving up a second chance by socking again? Unlikely. Most likely, this IP and other accounts, like Simonsmichel, are trolls. RiggedMint (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Polariton interferometer moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Polariton interferometer. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and It is also too short to be usefu.. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 03:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)