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20:41, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Resubmission?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Housing_Market_Group
Hello Roy. Can you provide the exact procedure to properly re-submit another acceptable bio for this company? Thanks. MS162.218.22.42 (talk) 11:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Understood. Post was not written by someone with that intention. The page no longer gives the ability to post. Can you please provide instruction on how to re-submit with only fact based content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.218.22.42 (talk) 17:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello again Roy. Can you please reply and instruct us on how to get access to repost with fact based content? Thanks. MS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Housing_Market_Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.218.22.42 (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Possible UPE
Hi RoySmith,
I want to send you a paid editing evidence related to TBST but, I don't know how to email you.CePeSong (talk) 06:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi! Might you please help me, as an admin, with misleading and bias in Wiki?
To make a long story short, I tried to edit the page related to 'hate group' multiple time to make it more diverse & sources-conforming, but all the time moderators or another 'watchers' undid it to one previous version represented only selected by someone narrative that does not even stay in line with today's point of an authors research center. As a person who doesn't like the use of only one side of a complex problem, I can't stay with it but now try to solve the problem within Wiki, not within media and related public instruments.
More longer:
Does today's English Wikipedia provides support for biased views and only selected forms of hate?
> Welcomes everybody to the discussion below 'Hate group' paper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hate_group#Our_#Wikipedia_is_not_one's_Political_Instrument.
Summary: today's version looks misleading, American-centrist (nothing mention phenomena of hate outside the USA and Southern Poverty Law Center) and moderators looks American chauvinist and supporting only nazi's or related old white supremacy symbols or flags, whereas even the major domain research center, SPLC as mentioned before, shows that have is more inclusive and diverse (in a negative way of this concepts). Moreover, the previous article authors misleading at FBI official state quotation to hate crimes to prove their own view. Hatred is not American or other today's rich country movements privilege, it has no borders or faces. Only people who do hate have these signs of division. And hate definitely has not only black/brown/multiracial/white/WASP/yellow or whatever you 'Americans' like to use to divisive yourself.
>> My heart is bleeding from English Wikipedia Censorship. I participated in the Wiki community of 3 languages (one from the beginning) for 10 years, but never saw this before. My ancestors, who were imprisoned to labor and concentration camps because of their nationality, ethnicity, and views, also would not approve your totalitarian informational policy of global source for the sake of polarization and mobilization of the population within one country before their local elections.
>> * Before: https://imgur.com/esXx8ja (misleading symbols with no sources, strange position of moderators that hate have the face and that is the only one (needed?) face)
>> * After: https://imgur.com/UrYMQQ0 (paraphrase misleading definition and unreasonable but conscious incorrect FBI citations, flags, and emblems with a source from a major source all other article formulated on)
>> * Letter about Wiki unjustice: https://imgur.com/IyeRmex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9E01:740:A4A5:22F0:4853:5FB3 (talk) 06:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- This editor has posted the same, or virtually the same, message to 7 administrators' talk pages and to a number of other talk pages. They have received answers at at least two of those pages (I have better things to do with my time than check every one of them, so it may be more than two) and has been directed to Talk:Hate group. JBW (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Bronx Skate Park
Hello! Your submission of Bronx Skate Park at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
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17:59, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Your Essay - WP:THREE
I really liked your essay WP:THREE. Its really crisp and up to the point. Any reason why its not in the 'Wikipedia' namespace ? (I'm not familiar with what is the general process to create a Wikipedia Namespace Essay) Zoodino (talk) 07:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Zoodino, Thanks for the kind words. I know we're not supposed to WP:OWN anything here, but I've always felt that this was a personal expression of how I felt things should work, which is why I left it in my user space. From time to time, people have pushed for changes, and I feel if it was in WP space, I'd have less justification for pushing back.
- As for the process to create an essay, it's really just be WP:BOLD. Anybody can write a WP:ESSAY, either in their own user space or in WP space. That I chose to do it in my user space was purely my personal preference. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Zorro544 SPI
Fyi, regarding Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Zorro544/Archive#09 August 2020, TonyBallioni wrote I'll hold off on tagging for now in case another CU knows who this is.
He also didn't add a "SockBlock" template to the user's talk page, so they never got an explanation about the meaning of the block, nor how to appeal. You closed the case, but the tagging and block notification wasn't dealt with. I didn't ping TonyBallioni because it looks like he's very busy. I'll let you decide what to do. Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 14:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
PS, they should probably be tagged as banned under WP:3X, as the other editor they've mainly been battling with was: [5]. --IamNotU (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- IamNotU, TonyBallioni has more insight into this than I do, so I'll defer to him. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I only mentioned it because the user was pinging me with some edit requests from one of the sock's talk pages (user talk:Hommenoir91), and seemed to not really understand about how the block worked. When I looked on their main talk page there wasn't anything there about it. I tried to explain things a bit to them, but probably there should be something official there... --IamNotU (talk) 22:08, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, yeah, Berean Hunter had some theories as to who it is but I don’t think anything conclusive. It’s clearly someone who has been around for a while, but having a place for people to report is more important than getting the right original master. I typically don’t give block notices in cases like this: the {{checkuserblock-account}} template in the block notice provides the details anytime they try to edit, and someone with this many socks knows what’s going on anyway. The option to give the notice isn’t set by default in the SPI script, so part of its being lazy I suppose, but it’s also usually just not needed in these cases. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I only mentioned it because the user was pinging me with some edit requests from one of the sock's talk pages (user talk:Hommenoir91), and seemed to not really understand about how the block worked. When I looked on their main talk page there wasn't anything there about it. I tried to explain things a bit to them, but probably there should be something official there... --IamNotU (talk) 22:08, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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photos?
Hey, do you ever upload photos? I've got a (what I think is) fascinating subject at Jenny Bui, who has salons in the Bronx and Harlem. I would LOVE to get photos of her and her work, which I understand is displayed at the shops. I'd think a photo of her nail art could make a great DYK image, too. —valereee (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, I do on occasion upload photos, yes. If you give me an exact location, and I happen to be by there, I'll see what I can do. Can't promise anything. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Bronx location is 305 E Fordham Rd, 2nd floor. The Harlem location is 2449 Adam Clayton Powell Blvd. As far as I can tell the proprietor spends most of her time at the Bronx location. If you do happen by, thanks! If it weren't for COVID I'd be thinking about convincing the hubs it was time for a road trip lol (And wow, lots of uploads! Those are great!) —valereee (talk) 23:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, Hmmm, I was just within a few blocks of the Fordham Rd location this afternoon. But, I'm really just doing exterior shots, that I can take from the bike. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Bronx location is 305 E Fordham Rd, 2nd floor. The Harlem location is 2449 Adam Clayton Powell Blvd. As far as I can tell the proprietor spends most of her time at the Bronx location. If you do happen by, thanks! If it weren't for COVID I'd be thinking about convincing the hubs it was time for a road trip lol (And wow, lots of uploads! Those are great!) —valereee (talk) 23:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Editing news 2020 #4
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WP:SPI case
Hi! Would you care to take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roqui15? It is by my reckoning an open-and-shut case, given the WP:WHOIS evidence. TompaDompa (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- TompaDompa, Done. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! TompaDompa (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Looks like they're back, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roqui15. TompaDompa (talk) 19:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- TompaDompa, Thanks for the ping. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:40, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Help regarding SPI move to UGAWOOD2020
Hi, hope you're doing well. I have unintentionally open Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Parto Crush which shoud be at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/UGAWOOD2020. Please help move this case to UGAWOOD2020. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 16:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- TheBirdsShedTears, Looks like somebody got there already. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
You wrote, On the surface, there is no agreement about whether the subject meets WP:SOLDIER or not.
I am wondering it that's a typo and you meant disagreement? No one disputed the claim that he passes NSOLDIER — that was uncontested (though people did dispute whether NSOLDIER was enough by itself but that's another thing). – SD0001 (talk) 06:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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15:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
My TP
Hi RoySmith! Thank you for being a talk page stalker of mine 
. It is greatly appreciated. --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Bronx Skate Park
On 9 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bronx Skate Park, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Bronx Skate Park was built to prevent accidents in a nearby McDonald's parking lot? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bronx Skate Park. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Bronx Skate Park), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
RadyoUkay vs DevilBlack
Regarding [14], I'm not sure whether to file future cases under the one SPI or the other. They kind of look the same to me. If you would like to share a discriminator, I have email enabled. Thanks ☆ Bri (talk) 16:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Sidowpknbkhihj
My previous SPI cases about Sidowpknbkhihj lasted pretty quickly. However the current case i have filed about Sidowpknbkhihj is dragging on for four days now. Could you please check it out? I'm not sure why this SPI lasted so long. SMB99thx my edits 03:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Zoo key
On 13 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zoo key, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Trunkey the Elephant has been teaching kids about zoo animals for over 50 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zoo key. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Zoo key), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
DYK nomination of Vinmont Veteran Park
Hello! Your submission of Vinmont Veteran Park at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Miss and Mister Supranational made DYK page leaders by month!
Don't know whether you noticed that Miss and Mister Supranational was in WP:Did you know a couple of days ago? It even Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics#DYK_page_view_leaders_by_month_(over_5,000_views). Thank you for restoring it to my user space so I could resurrect it, and then advising! I only regret that User:WilliamJE never took my bet that it would be a successful resurrection, or I'd be assigning him something from Template:WikiProjectCSBTasks now... --GRuban (talk) 14:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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16:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, RoySmith. Thank you for your good works on Wikipedia. Regarding subject matter, article has WP:RS even as it was not including in the deletion discussions. Kindly spare time to revisit the article references:
References
- ^ "Digital communication expert organises training in Lagos". TheCable. 2019-08-24. Retrieved 2020-06-04.
- ^ "Meet Ademuyiwa Adebola Taofeek, the young digital communication expert". Vanguard News. 2019-08-24. Retrieved 2020-06-04.
Thanking you ahead! 2dmaxo (talk) 11:55, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- 2dmaxo, Thanks for your note. My role in closing an AfD is largely clerical, that is to summarize the opinions of the people who participated. That being said, those references were already in the article and the people who evaluated them didn't find them sufficient. You'll want to read WP:NBIO to get a better understanding of what we require for biographies. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- @RoySmith, coupled with their obvious COI(UPE) with the subject of the article(see their talk page) I’d say your response was a perfect one. Celestina007 06:31, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
talk Kristina Monbat (talk) 03:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC) Kristina Monbat
Dear RoySmith (talk)! I see you can benefit from a great experience throughout the English version of Wikipedia, for which you have my respect. I was surprised to find that the article I had created had been removed. When it was published, I asked my colleagues in the community for help, as English is not my mother tongue, for which I am grateful to each of them for improving my work. In this case, we are talking about a broad-spectrum person: a writer, author of several books, producer, public figure, skydiving instructor, businessman. So this is not a sensation. There is just such a person and everything described about him is confirmed by authoritative sources. The sources I use are the Bulgarian National Television, the Bulgarian National Radio, publications in the local press. That is why I am asking you for help in improving the article about Dobromir Slavchev and moving it to the main space, so that the users of the English version of Wikipedia can get acquainted with his personality.
With respect Кristina Monbat
- Kristina Monbat thanks for your note. You should take a look at WP:NBIO for what we need for a biography. You might also want to ask on WP:TEA, which is specifically set up to help new editors. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Restore-a-lot
Restore-a-lot isn't too difficult.
- You copy-paste the four lines from my common.js to your common.js. (everything after "// Add this to your common.js to use restore-a-lot (admins only, tested on a FFD page)")
- Go to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 September 5
- In the bottom right corner a little yellow thingie can now be seen.
- Uncollapse the discussion and file list so you can actually see the file names.
- Hit the "Restore-a-lot" yellow thingie.
- In this case, you could simply press "all" (next to "select") but to operate more precisely you select the top file, hold down shift and select the bottom file. Everything in between will get selected as well.
- You probably want to enable the checkbox for "custom undeletion reason".
- Press the undelete button. If you enabled the checkbox you'll be asked to enter the reason.
Sorry btw for the post-close comment on the discussion. I was looking at an outdated page and just hit edit, did not notice the closure in wikitext. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Restoring the images isn't the really tedious part; there aren't enough of them to be a significant barrier to doing it manually.The really tedious part is identifying their articles and putting them back in. That's not really optional; otherwise, the images will just be speedied again in a week, with hardly any chance of having been looked at by a human. I don't see any such functionality in a skim of Restore-a-lot. (And I wouldn't expect there to be in a script written for Commons, which has no such time limit.) —Cryptic 22:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Alexis Jazz, No worries about the late post. These things happen. Thanks for the tutorial, but I'm going to let somebody else handle the leg work on this one (especially given Cryptic's comment). -- RoySmith (talk) 22:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Cryptic: I can't think of any realistic way to integrate such a thing into a script. It could be feasible if images would never be used outside infoboxes or we could somehow assume that articles would never be edited after removing the image, but since neither of those are true.. How about restoring, say, the first 20 and creating a discussion page and pinging everyone who participated in the discussion? When putting them back into articles, we'd automatically be reviewing them and what we don't put back probably doesn't have a good FU rationale. When those are done, restore the next 20. Does this sounds reasonable? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Alexis Jazz, I could imagine some heuristics that would get you close. Assuming the actual removal was done by User:Filedelinkerbot, there's some tools there that give the history of what it unlinked. The log tool is currently broken, but you could certainly start with the date a file was deleted and search the bot's contribution history on that date. Doing that, I find:
(change visibility) 2020-08-22T01:41:49 diff hist -181 Chicago Blackhawks Bot: Removing File:Chicago Blackhawks logo (1937-1955).png . It was deleted by Fastily (Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 August 14#File:Chicago Blackhawks logo (1937-1955).png).- pretty quickly. It shouldn't be too hard to automate that.
- The other alternative is that the file was unlinked using Wikipedia:XFDcloser, in which case the edits show up as being performed by the person who closed the discussion, and you could do the same thing on their personal contribution history.
- Between those two, I imagine you'd get the vast majority of cases. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Only about a 50% hit rate among the handful I've done so far. Most of the manual removals, apparently, were because someone noticed the redlink before the bot got around to removing it. One was shown through a file redirect; I don't know if the bot deals with that itself or just looks for the deletion of the redirect, but this algorithm wouldn't have found it. The Commons case is actually easier, since the delinker keeps a handily-searchable log. I've been relying on the image description page to name the article it was used on - as it must to be a valid nonfree image - and looking for removals in mid-to-late August.XFDcloser is rarely used at FFD, and hardly ever for deletes - there's a bot that closes FFD discussions if the file no longer exists, so standard practice is to just delete, mention the ffd in the log, and let the bots close and remove. —Cryptic 17:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Cryptic: I can't think of any realistic way to integrate such a thing into a script. It could be feasible if images would never be used outside infoboxes or we could somehow assume that articles would never be edited after removing the image, but since neither of those are true.. How about restoring, say, the first 20 and creating a discussion page and pinging everyone who participated in the discussion? When putting them back into articles, we'd automatically be reviewing them and what we don't put back probably doesn't have a good FU rationale. When those are done, restore the next 20. Does this sounds reasonable? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Vinmont Veteran Park
Having moved your DYK hook for Vinmont Veteran Park into the Queue, I checked on the article. Seeing the photograph in the infobox and the name of the park, I thought, what a wonderful idea to build a park for elderly people, who just because they are old, cannot be presumed to have lost all their sense of fun! On further inspection, I found that my first impression was wrong, but I thought you might be amused to hear of my thoughts (I laughed at myself anyway). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Cwmhiraeth, Heh, yeah, that slide does look like fun. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Sockpuppet
- 156.205.171.19 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Hi there, I could not make comments on the sockpuppet investigation case [17] due to a filter. But I find it suspicious that this user removed the speedy deletion template and even uploaded a new version of a picture previously uploaded by a sockpuppet. Here: [18]. 156.205.171.19 (talk) 18:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. This editor was reported at WP:AIV for triggering 809 (the filter disallowed their changes to WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Mynameisking21102002). I imagine you would know what to do, since your name is in the history of the SPI. They also marked a certain image for WP:G5 deletion. Maybe they are an opponent of the person named in the SPI case. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Vinmont Veteran Park
On 20 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vinmont Veteran Park, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Vinmont Veteran Park traces its name to Robert Weinberg, whose German surname translates to Vinmont in French? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vinmont Veteran Park. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Vinmont Veteran Park), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Robert Weinberg (urban planner)
On 20 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Robert Weinberg (urban planner), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Vinmont Veteran Park traces its name to Robert Weinberg, whose German surname translates to Vinmont in French? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Robert Weinberg (urban planner)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:04, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Peervala
Hello. Although you apparently warned Peervala for edit warring, they continue it on Battle of Paštrik. You could be of help if you took a look at it, since you are already familiar with the case. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Also, they were blocked twice in the past for edit warring on that article. The article was protected several times too. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ktrimi991, Thanks, I'm looking at it now. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. Much appreciated. The topic has few editors, but unfortunately most of the new editors either soon quit editing or choose paths that lead to blocks and other sanctions. Hopefully, Peervala will reflect on the problem. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:25, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ktrimi991, Thanks, I'm looking at it now. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Also, they were blocked twice in the past for edit warring on that article. The article was protected several times too. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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Dorothy Olsen
Hi RoySmith. Since you're an admin and were also involved in getting the article promoted to GA, perhaps you'd be a better person than me to assess Talk:Dorothy Olsen#Request edit on 24 September 2020. As you probably noticed by the comments I and Explicit left at WT:FFD#Images at Dorothy Olsen, the Commons files are going to need to be resolved on Commons. I've tried to explain this at c:User talk:Kim Erik Olsen#Disputing copyright ownership and User talk:Kim Erik Olsen#Dorothy Kocher/Olsen pictures, but you're welcome to clarify or correct anything I posted if you feel it's necessary. The normal way this tends to be resolved is through c:COM:DR, but I guess Olsen's son could appeal directly to the WMF himself or file a DMCA request.
The other concerns about the content of the article are probably best resolved through article talk page discussion. I'm not familiar with the subject matter and the content that was removed was supported by a source, but I decided not to add it back for now. Obviously, if you or someone else feels it's OK, it can be added back; however, it might be a good idea to then clarify why on the talk page just to avoid any possibility of edit warring. Her son is a new editor who probably isn't familiar with how things work and they might not quite understand things like OWN, VNT and LUC, etc. Perhaps there's a way to tweaked the wording a bit so that it still reflects the source, but also addresses the son's concerns a bit? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Marchjuly, Thanks for looking into this. As far as the material removed from the article (the bit about violating regulations), I really can't see making a big fuss over that. The source I used for that, while it meets our strict definition of a WP:RS, isn't the strongest source in the world. Edit-warring with a family member over it doesn't make sense to me. This sounds like one of those "We're in a legally defensible situation, but is that really a battle we need to win?" situations. I'd be inclined to let it go.
- As for the photos, I'm entirely sympathetic. If they really are family photos which were lent to the Air Force and they put them up on their web site without proper provenance, that's something that needs to get fixed. But, the folks over at Commons know this stuff a lot better than I do, so letting them handle it makes sense. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've responded at Talk:Dorothy Olsen -- RoySmith (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing so. I think it's quite encouraging that Olsen's son actually went straight to engaging on the article's talk page after being advised about COI. Many others simply refuse to do any such thing and insist they have the right to do as they please. Your response will only further show that there actually are Wikipedians who will try to help COI editors sort things out when they ask for it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've responded at Talk:Dorothy Olsen -- RoySmith (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, on that page you link to an "earwig report" but when I click on the link I only get a message "The given revision ID doesn't seem to exist: 955819948." Could you explain me what this is all about? Is it kind of a check of the overlap of texts? I also don't understand why reusing a short phrase from a reliable source, in this case "launched by Germany and France in April 2019" should be anything like a copyright violation. A copyright violation to my understanding would involve copying anything substantial, and the phrase is in no way particularly original or product of deep research or anything. Supsudelu (talk) 01:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Supsudelu, Yeah, the revision(s) in question don't exist any more becuase they were deleted due to copyright infringement. Looking at the current version, I see the big quote you have from The Guardian. If you're going to include a direct quote, you need to cite the source. See Wikipedia:Quotations for details. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- The Guardian just quotes the official aims of the Alliance. As the Alliance itself is not a reliable source I took it from the Guardian. The source is acknowledged and the quote is in quotation marks. What do you want? Supsudelu (talk) 22:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Supsudelu, I took a closer look at this. I'm not actually sure what to suggest here, since the Guardian article is difficult to follow. As far as I can tell, that quote is attributed to (in the previous paragraph), "a diplomatic source". From that, you've extrapolated these to be the alliance's initiatives. You would do better to find a direct statement of what the alliance's initiatives are, tracable to something more concrete than an unnamed "diplomatic source". -- RoySmith (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- The Guardian just quotes the official aims of the Alliance. As the Alliance itself is not a reliable source I took it from the Guardian. The source is acknowledged and the quote is in quotation marks. What do you want? Supsudelu (talk) 22:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Special report: Paid editing with political connections
- News and notes: More large-scale errors at a "small" wiki
- In the media: WIPO, Seigenthaler incident 15 years later
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- Arbitration report: Clarifications and requests
- Traffic report: Is there no justice?
- Recent research: Wikipedia's flood biases
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- Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete. [22]
- Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days. [23]
Problems
- Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed. [24]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).
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- You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
- The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
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Appsas one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021. [25] - You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
- You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.
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