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This Month in GLAM: January 2015

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Speedy deletion nomination of Zarakh Iliev

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A tag has been placed on Zarakh Iliev requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Thanks for letting me know. It was started yesterday as part of a Wikipedia training session to show the minimum needed for a new article to avoid speedy deletion! It has now been much expanded. Edwardx (talk) 17:24, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Anne Naysmith

Anne Naysmith has a such a fascinating and sad story...and is a fellow Chiswickian to boot! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 11:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I read the Guardian article on Saturday and did consider starting an article, so well done you. I've added a bit. I could cycle down sometime and photograph her patch of garden. Edwardx (talk) 11:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Be careful not to get a ticket for "furious peddling". Philafrenzy (talk) 12:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Great article of yours - exemplary use of images. Edwardx (talk) 13:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I am worried it is the wrong colour. Sometimes it has a blue cast and sometimes yellow, but short of visiting Venice I can't be sure. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:20, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I would have seen it when I enjoyed a particularly fine lunch at the Peggy Guggenheim collection during a visit to the 1996 Biennale. Alas, my memory is far more of a blur than the painting itself. Edwardx (talk) 13:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I think the Futurists probably had a few good lunches before they picked up their paint brushes. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:32, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jean-Baptiste Pastor

Hello! Your submission of Jean-Baptiste Pastor at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Hirolovesswords (talk) 00:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Edwardx, last call. It's been two weeks, and you haven't responded. If we don't hear from you in the next couple of days, we'll have to close it as abandoned. I hope that won't be necessary. Thanks for your attention. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough and sorry for the delay. QPQ review done! Edwardx (talk) 09:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Please see new note on DYK nomination template. Yoninah (talk) 23:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Replied on the DYK nom page. Edwardx (talk) 09:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

God

I've added a bit. Now, the birthplace is the same, but there is no mention of his job at all. I am tempted to add it...but it would be good to find another reference linking the Russian billionaire to Grand Rapids, just to make sure that's him. Neither Forbes nor the WJC mentions it. It might be a family member otherwise, like a cousin?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Forbes has God as having 3 children, whereas the Grand Rapids Nisanov has 5. I'd guess he is some sort of relative. Thanks for your great additions to the article. I'll try to start his business partner Zarakh Iliev later today. Edwardx (talk) 15:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Btw, can you suggest some billionaires who work in the City of London or live in London at least? It may be fun to read about local success stories while I am looking for work...Zigzig20s (talk) 21:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

How about Idan Ofer, John Caudwell, Richard Livingstone (businessman), and Ian Livingstone (property developer) - all London-based billionaires. Edwardx (talk) 09:01, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Lol, I've found out I have acquaintances in common with Ofer's son. London is such a small town. They sound like a great family--very philanthropic. I would like to expand his father's page and also find his mother's name. But obviously I don't want to add anything personal. There must be a lot more on the philanthropic front, which should be expanded. I am very interested in Israelis and Russians living in London. I am trying to focus on London now because I am looking for work here and can't get distracted with America too much (except I may expand the Getty family next week).Zigzig20s (talk) 00:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. And Israelis and Russians living in London is an interesting topic. How about Russian trio has £535m luxury student housing in London in their sights Edwardx (talk) 13:11, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps. Btw, is Mikhail Zelman on the STRL or Forbes? He owns the Burger & Lobster chain in London and also co-owns Wenrus Restaurant Group apparently. I would also like to create more pages about historic/listed buildings in Belgravia and find out who owns them.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Not on the STRL. It covers the top 1,000 in the UK, and the cut-off is £85million. There are still plenty of building articles to do. I worked in Belgravia for 5 years, so know the area well. Edwardx (talk) 14:15, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I would like to live there (even just in a shoebox). I wonder what you did there...haha. (Do you not agree that Zelman is prominent enough to have his own page?)Zigzig20s (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Come to the next London meet-up and you will find out more! YES, I agree that Zelman is notable. So, please start the article. Edwardx (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I am stuck with the Ofers--perhaps even more interesting than the Pastors imo. Any idea why I can't add the WP Disambiguation tag on Ofer's talkpage? I moved the moshav to be able to create the disambiguation page. I do not know how to fix this.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:02, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Rather interesting about the sanctions: Tanker Pacific.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

More great work. I think the major advantage over the Pastors is that there is so much more about the Ofers online, and almost all of it in English. Perhaps the sanctions are one reason why Idan has relocated to London. I've moved the Ofer talkpage. Edwardx (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

One ought to expand his brother's page now.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I think that's a hint! For now I'm working on the world's 30th richest man, who has just died, as well as some Wikipedia training I'll be doing on Tuesday.. Edwardx (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I saw a man buying a tray of Ferrero Rocher and a bottle of sugary drink in the supermarket earlier. Obviously going to be a big Valentine's night for his girl friend. (This is what you get when you stray away from Waitrose) Philafrenzy (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Not quite the organic, 75% cocoa chocolate bars they sell at Waitrose...Anyway, the Ferreros may be an interesting family. Do we know who they supported during WWII?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

In liberated pansexual west London, we would be less certain of the girlfriend bit. As the Ferreros are Italian, the old joke is, "who's winning?". As they are now Monagasque (at least for tax purposes), perhaps it should be, "who can we make the most money with?", which is perhaps the same thing. Edwardx (talk) 20:19, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

He wasn't even an ambassador and certainly not dressed for a dinner party. I ate one of those Ferrero things once. Never again. I think I can still taste it. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

The ambassador's reception is overrated. Edwardx (talk) 10:26, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I may need to start thinking the Monegasque way to afford the ridiculous London rents. How are you doing Wikipedia training?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

London landlords may appear to be quite rapacious, but when you consider the high property prices and all the hassle, the returns look less impressive. I'm a Wikimedia UK-accredited trainer, details of training events here: Training. Edwardx (talk) 10:26, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you get paid for it? How does one become "accredited"? I think the problem comes from the mortgage scam, which is disconnected from real earning power. Also unpaid internships bring wages down. Not to sound left-wing... So perhaps I could conduct trainings in the mean time?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:44, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Have you heard about property guardians? Training is usually voluntary, just expenses. To become accredited, you need to attend a (free) two day course: Training the Trainers Edwardx (talk) 11:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I didn't finish the article--too dark--I'd much rather read about Monaco and Belgravia! It sounds like that wouldn't pay my rent at all--I need to figure out something else.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:25, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: Jean-Baptiste Pastor. Can we really not find his birth or death dates anywhere? I'm surprised we have not found an obituary.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm surprised too. They really did have a low profile. Helene's murder changed all that. Edwardx (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Leon Max again

Hello. Can you please take a look at the removal of referenced info from Leon Max's page? I would revert it, but I am being harassed because of Amy Pascal (again!) and I am feeling rather poorly as a result. Hopefully you can help. I think it just needs to be reverted.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:20, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I bet you wished you'd never touched Amy Pascal (so to speak, ha ha). I was about to write something (polite, of course) on the user's talkpage, but they are now blocked (legal threats are a big no no on WP). So Leon Max is safe, at least until they discover sock puppetry... Edwardx (talk) 21:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

There was a legal threat on Amy Pascal's talkpage and I talked to two administrators, then took it to ANI, and they only redacted it. I don't get it. I am feeling rather unloved right now. But good to see you managed to save Leon Max's page. I wonder if it's true he didn't want the page to be expanded? That seems strange, since he has promoted his parties/achievements in the press.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:58, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I've never taken anything to ANI, as I really try to avoid any area that might lead to drama (okay, I've made a few mistakes). I quite understand that you are wondering why you bother spending so much time on WP, when some people don't seem to appreciate your efforts. Well, the silent majority think that you are doing a lot of good work. When I was blocked for 24 hours on a very narrow technicality, it was demoralising and I cut back on my editing. The admin who blocked me got into hot water himself not so long afterwards and is no longer here. To survive as a content creator here, you have to develop a thick skin, cite everything, and try to avoid drama. Come along to the next meet-up and we will try to help you get your mojo back! Edwardx (talk) 22:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Lol, I just wish a few other editors would edit Pascal's page. I honestly am wondering if the two harassing editors are not Pascal herself and her husband at this point. They are trying to re-write history and portray her as a security expert instead of someone who made "racially insensitive" "jokes". And I really hate their attempt to intimidate me and harass me (even editing on your talkpage once!). I ended up wasting my time replying to those editors (who can't even spell) instead of working on a good article tonight. I had to take it to ANI because of the legal threat (and after two administrators refused to do anything about it). It led to nothing--I am still being harassed.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Look on the bright side, at least someone is reading your work! And I'm not touching Pascal's page - it never made the news here and I'm sorry, but I can't get excited about it. There is always so much else to do. Edwardx (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Lol, I believe it has been in the news in the UK as well. Anyway, I guess we will never know about Leon Max.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Moïse Lévy de Benzion

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Jean-Baptiste Pastor

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Liu Han

Hi Edwardx, thanks for creating Liu Han. I've expanded the article and nominated it for DYK. See nomination page. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 06:35, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Great hook. Seems that execution is the leading cause of death for Chinese billionaires: Friends Don't Let Friends Become Chinese Billionaires Edwardx (talk) 09:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

This is why I decided not to be Chinese or a billionaire. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Executed Chinese billionaires or something like might make an interesting article. No BLP worries. Edwardx (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

This is yet more bias in favour of the rich Edward. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank goodness I'm not so biased. I'd never stoop so low as to spend two days rewriting a completely pointless article. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 01:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll read it later. Yes, it does look fairly pointless! Edwardx (talk) 09:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice work. I assume, Gareth Kegg, that you will be creating the article for "Mrs. Huntingdon Misfit of Dallas, Texas", and fascinating to learn that the couple were married for the second time at a hospital in Botswana. That really is the best place to get married. The smell of disinfectant is so romantic. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

And wonderful that they would hold both marriages in Botswana, such dedication to that benighted continent. Taylor truly was the Madonna of her day in her dedication to relieving African poverty. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

That's a 5x expansion eligible for DYK isn't it? The world must learn the truth about this matter. It's been kept quiet for too long. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

So many brilliant hooks. Tracheotomy, 'Scorpio Ball', Aston Clinton, Onassis, Hjordis, coldish fish and Midnight Cowboy. It reminds me of the codewords in a Snowden leak. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

It would do, Snowden is Taylor's love child. Surprised you didn't know. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

MED3040

Hi, I have created a list of links for MED3040 here. If you want to check out the Education program Extension go to Help:Education Program extension. However, you might find the Training more helpful: Wikipedia:Training/For_Ambassadors, which covers both online and campus ambassadors. You will find that you already know much of the material here, but check Wikipedia:Training/For Ambassadors/Setting up course pages, which on page 2 of the course enables you to request both Campus and online ambassador userrights. I would suggest going for both. Actually these requests go to Wikipedia:Education noticeboard, which is worth a look at as well. I have found the extension very useful, and I hope you do also. If you decide to request the userrights, please get in touch and I will make sure I support you. Sometimes people need a nudge to get things sorted ourt in a reasonable amount of time.Fabian Tompsett (WMUK) (talk) 16:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Fabian Tompsett (WMUK). I've been through Training/For_Ambassadors and it is pretty solid, if a touch over enthusiastic and patronising for my tastes, but that's Americans for you. I will study the rest, and get back to you shortly. Edwardx (talk) 10:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Forgot to say that your MED3040 page is an excellent idea. Thank you for that! Edwardx (talk) 10:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

A church in Bayswater

Do you think this could have its own page? It was only built in 1973 apparently. (I wonder what was there before.) I doubt it's listed. But it is very, very central.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't see why not. I imagine that there are many other non-listed churches with articles. Edwardx (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, by the way, for letting us have such interesting discussions on your page! Philafrenzy (talk) 19:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Can't puzzle out why my talkpage seems to be the place to hang out, but it is somehow flattering. Maybe, if I stopped replying... Edwardx (talk) 20:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

It's your magnetic personality. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I was hoping you would create it. The hint was not so subtle. NM. I will try to write less.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Barrie Pettman and Gillian Johnston (polo player)'s family

He's not on the TRL, is he? Are the Johnstons on the Forbes list?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Nothing on either family. They need to work harder/avoid more tax! Edwardx (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

What about Beny Alagem? I find it strange that I can't find a single Forbes article on him. Fantastic philanthropist at least. And I agree, the income tax ought to be repealed!Zigzig20s (talk) 11:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

No Forbes article is odd. Just his Bel Air mansion and those two hotels amounts to a lot of money. Maybe he has big mortgages and his new worth is not so great? Edwardx (talk) 11:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

You may be correct, first time I've heard of this entity. Not really a third-party source, so I won't add it. And also of course this, but the info is well-known and already in-lined.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I thought I was just guessing - looks like I might be right. Maybe sometimes you have to take big risks to get rich... Edwardx (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Once again I feel bad that I know so much about someone I have never met, because of google!Zigzig20s (talk) 21:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

It can be an odd feeling. As long as we stick to WP:NPOV and WP:RS and the tighter guidelines for WP:BLP (and we do!), there's no reason to feel bad. Edwardx (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

It's actually Google and the pages that they index that have the information. We just bring it together in one place, though that in itself might be a form of intrusion I suppose, the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't Shoot the messenger!. And as you say, it's all the fault of Google anyway. Edwardx (talk) 00:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, but if someone collated a thick file on your life from publicly available sources and placed it on the web and invited the world to contribute to it, how would you feel? Philafrenzy (talk) 01:10, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I mean, this is why I won't add more about Alagem's loans, etc. I feel like it is OK when some info has already been published very clearly in articles or books. What's more surprising is our ability to infer private information by connecting the dots via Google results. On top of Alagem's loans, I have managed to infer Pettman's address (he lives in a listed building whose picture is even on Wikimedia Commons) because one of his companies was headquartered there. But I won't add it, because there's no article showing him at his home, etc. There's a fine line (perhaps thanks to the restrictions on original research) between knowledge and privacy, but google search results are a bit creepy.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:45, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Under WP:BLPPRIMARY we shouldn't be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5. Even if we only use reliable secondary sources, the bringing together of the information in one place for the first time is qualitatively different from the information being in ten different places indexed by Google. Oh, and we don't ask the subject before doing it or check it with them afterwards and we don't let them change it because they have a conflict of interest. Because of the preference that Google gives us and the fact that nobody has ever written a bio of the subject before it then gets top place in searches as the most authoritative source about them on the web. But we remain anonymous and effectively unaccountable. Power without responsibility? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I think it's perfectly fine when the info has already been published in articles and books. Blame the journalists. Plus it's free PR (except for poor Donald Sterling, who is much nicer than his page says).Zigzig20s (talk) 12:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Many/most of the people we write about would get articles sooner or later. Looking at the "missing billionaires", once I've got the ball rolling, it's amazing how much gets added by others. It's better that the articles are written by people who have a deeper understanding of the policies as well as the wider ethical contexts. And anything I start always stays on my Watchlist, so inappropriate additions should be avoided. As for "power without responsibility", that is true to some extent. Yet we have invested considerable time in WP and value whatever hard-won reputations we might have. Yes, it is a shame that Donald Sterling's page is clouded by one unfortunate incident. Scroll down to In October 2012 for a sad and cautionary tale about someone called Lindsey Stone. A quick Google search shows that attempts to rebuild her repuation have not been successful. Edwardx (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Braying lynch mob - I'm telling you. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I would like to change "racist" to "racially insensitive" on Sterling's page, and also add his philanthropic work...he was at a fundraiser for the John Wayne Cancer Research Institute in Santa Monica a few months ago...then he also gave free Christmas presents to ethnic minority kids over Christmas...I tried to argue for "racially insensitive" on the talkpage, to no avail. I don't understand why we have Amy Pascal superfans (prepare to abuse, insult, harass) but everyone hates funny old Sterling.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your good work at The Castle Inn‎ -- you're a gentleman and scholar, as usual. Please consider this a token for a real pint which I will happily treat you to when we meet next. And if you're up by Edinburgh Castle soon, please check out The Witchery by the Castle. Andrew D. (talk) 23:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Having started so many pub articles myself, I felt honour bound to try to save one. And the "real pint" offer is most generous - ale of course, not that foreign lager swill pictured above. Edwardx (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Have you thought about creating a page about The Speaker in Westminster? I'm not sure how to find out if it is listed, or where to find much info about it. It's certainly been visited by countless prominent politicians, etc., but not sure how to prove it.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Copy and paste the postcode, SW1P 2HA, into English Heritage Map Search. It is NOT listed. The name means that it will be a tricky one to search for. Maybe "the speaker westminster pub history", but that doesn't seem to bring up much of value. Edwardx (talk) 00:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Strange. Thanks for looking though.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

• The lack of sources indicates a recent name change and so it proves - see London Clay Pipe Studies and The Balloon Factory, "This used to be the Elephant and Castle". Andrew D. (talk) 17:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Do we know when the name was changed?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:52, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

• That was 1999, iirc. It's all out there... Andrew D. (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• Going back to the Castle Inn, it seems that it's cider that we should be drinking. I've been expanding the page, as you see - thanks for the thanks. I've been trying out an infobox and the parameters make a good checklist. It's just a generic building template as there doesn't seem to be one especially for pubs but it seems to work well enough. I'm thinking that the pub-sign could go in as the logo in such cases and that might be a good way of making fair-use stand up. As you do lots of pubs, please look into using this as a systematic prop for them. Pigsonthewing is an infobox expert and may be able to advise us if he isn't currently prohibited from talking about them. Andrew D. (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • There is no - and never has been any - such restriction. How can I help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:26, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure how to use all the parameters of such an infobox. I've got the hang of the map and coordinates, I think, and I like them as they provide good info with little effort. But, in this building template, I put an entry of thatch for the roof and it came out a bit weird because it's got a subheading of "height". There's more information to put in like the English Heritage list entry number and grade but I'm not sure where they should go. It's just details like that which might confuse us. Andrew D. (talk) 16:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
      • Over the years, I've been won over to the merits of infoboxes (if you don't like them, then just ignore them), but I'm yet to use one for a building. And I've used some of the stuff I added last year to the cider article on the Castle Inn page. Did you know that cider in the UK can contain as little as 35% juice, and that that can be from concentrate? I'll stick to ale. Edwardx (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
      • But what's in the beer...?
      • I've made some tweaks to the infobox. We have no parameter for the EH list entry number; perhaps we should. A few more words in the body of the article, but the building style, structure and materials would not go amiss. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:45, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Also Gérard Mulliez

And if you wanted to expand this French dude and his family...They are the French Waltons/Cargills apparently.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Added an infobox and a bit more. Edwardx (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I've added a bit more from French sources. If you want to expand it further, please do so. Quite a few of his family members are notable. It is interesting that I did not know the same family owned Auchan, Decathlon and Flunch for example. All chains one sees in most French towns. They seem like a great family. I wonder what their philanthropic engagements are--probably to do with Catholic charities.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

We may be able to create a 'Category:Mulliez family' once we've created a few more bios and figured out all the businesses they own.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Eyal Ofer

He may be domiciled in Monaco and live in West London. I guess it's a mystery. But does the tax address not depend on the amount of days spent in a given country every year? Zigzig20s (talk) 13:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Residence is different from domicile for UK tax purposes. Domicile is a concept of general British law that relates to where your true home is. Residence relates more to your actual movements, numbers of days spent in particular places and other factors. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

OK. But how do you define, "your true home" when you have five to ten houses in several different countries, if not by the number of days spent in a given country? I don't see why anyone on the STRL would want to be domiciled in the UK, then...are most of them not domiciled here?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:51, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I will tell you after you deposit £1 million in my HSBC Swiss bank account. Let me know when you have done it. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:58, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear. Anyway, most people on the STRL use their resources to hire lots of people and give back through philanthropy, etc. The Ofers, for example, employ tens of thousands of workers and they are very philanthropic, right here in London.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, philanthropy is the characteristic I most associate with the members of the STRL. They are so philanthropic that they get richer every year. If I give away a lot of money will I get richer too? Philafrenzy (talk) 19:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Both the Bible and the Torah seem to think so.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Please clarify, is that evidence for or against the theory? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

For. Talk to your priest/vicar/rabbi. My point is that the Ofers have probably been encouraged to give back by their rabbi(s).Zigzig20s (talk) 20:46, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Is a "priest/vicar/rabbi" something you get from this? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

The big debates happen here. They could be even better at the Penderel's Oak on Sunday 8 March (next London Wiki meet-up)... Edwardx (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Liu Han

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

IHR

In case you don't know, most don't, there is a good cafeteria style restaurant on the top floor of the Birkbeck Library in Torrington Square near Senate House. You don't have to be a student to use it. Open M-F lunchtimes all year and 5-7 evenings for hot meals. They have never poisoned me. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:28, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I might pop in. Weather looks quite decent tomorrow. Edwardx (talk) 23:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I can't attend unfortunately. If you try it, it's opposite SOAS and go in the main entrance and turn right down a long corridor and take the lift to the fifth floor. Main plus sweet and tea (or coffee if you are one of those strange people who prefer that) about £5. They have a large open terrace overlooking the square. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Great training session, and a very pleasant lunch on the fifth floor, followed by coffee at the Brunswick Centre. I'm sure that you can guess where from. Edwardx (talk) 19:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Chinese billionaires

Hello. Do you know how many Chinese billionaires have been executed? I was reprimanded yesterday by someone who failed to give me his business card for speaking too fast and using the term "murdered"--actually, they were tried first. Probably very fair trials, in a Communist country. Btw, shouldn't Liu Wei have his own page too?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Interestingly, I've just looked a bit deeper into that Forbes news item of China having executed 14 billionaires in the eight years to 2011. Turns out that they all had net worth of at least a 1 billion yuan, which was $155 million. So, not all $ billionaires. Bloomberg. But China does executes a lot of very rich people. The US would never do that. Edwardx (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Do I sense a note of regret? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, regret for all those lost Chinese wealth creators and their trickle down. But seriously, I'm against the death penalty, but the super rich here and in the US have to do something really bad to even get a little jail time. Edwardx (talk) 20:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Well yes, it was regret that we don't execute western billionaires to which I referred. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I realised that. Looks like my attempt at humour failed! Edwardx (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh I see, you are actually in favour of the death penalty. Is there any particular billionaire you would like to see executed or is it just a general aversion? Philafrenzy (talk) 00:47, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

User:Philafrenzy: What about freedom? Perhaps you read The Guardian...hahaha.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I find The Guardian rather worthy, though I appreciate their Snowden reporting. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear. I will forgive you if you help me expand the userpages about those painters...one of them has painted a couple of Labour politicians actually!Zigzig20s (talk) 00:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes Minister - Who reads the papers. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Haha.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, freedom. So what about his brother, Liu Wei?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't think he was a $ billionaire. Edwardx (talk) 20:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Does one have to be a billionaire to be sufficiently notable? What a snob! Hahaha.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Working my way through the Forbes list, I'm at #500 and $3.5 billion. Still a long way before I get to mere millionaires! Edwardx (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of God Nisanov

Hello! Your submission of God Nisanov at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 15:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lowell Goddard

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 09:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Geyser report

Ostriches burying their heads in the sand

I am selling everything I own to buy gold while there is still time. Good move? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll know for sure if you made the right decision in five years time. Max used to make a living trying to predict the rapture, until they kicked him out of the US. Now, he's over here trying to predict the 2015/16 crisis start date. Edwardx (talk) 23:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Five years time is no good. I need an answer now. You would be useless as a pundit. Oh well, at least Max will give me the answer in his next broadcast. I hear he is revealing some shocking news about lizards and the British royal family. Can't wait. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

David Icke is the guest in the second half, to make Max look normal and well-adjusted? Edwardx (talk) 09:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Disaster! Max has just revealed that the gold market is rigged! Where now? Ostrich farms? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Don't bury your head in the sand like an ostrich - Bitcoin! Land! Why not extraterrestrial real estate? Edwardx (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

You are not up on your Ikeology. According to David the Moon is a hollowed out planetoid used to send us messages. I am not prepared to cross the Illuminati. Anyway, FIFA have already reserved it for the next World Cup as it is cooler than Qatar. Gangs of slave workers from Asia have already started building the stadium. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The next one, 2018 FIFA World Cup, is in Russia. 2022 is Qatar. So, 2026 on the Moon? I'd rather it was on Mars, as I've heard that will be a one-way journey. That way no more football players or supporters on Earth! Edwardx (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

In one of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books they sent all the telephone sanitizers, estate agents etc on a journey to a new planet and the people left behind all died from a disease caught from a dirty telephone. Beware of the law of unintended consequences. One of those footballers could have a child that saves mankind. I grant you it is not very likely given the average IQ but you never know. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

We could send DJs and estate agents though (I would have no objection to that as long as they didn't cross-breed) Philafrenzy (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

But what would we do with all the empty estate agents offices? Convert them to housing? Then who would be left to inflate the prices? Edwardx (talk) 23:50, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Convert them to cash-for-gold shops in preparation for the collapse of all currencies as forecast by Max. Use that gold to buy Martian real estate directly from the Martians before the estate agents arrive and pump up the prices. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I hope Max is reading this - you sound perfect for a guest spot in the second half. Edwardx (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

He and David Ike have already sent me a message through my tin foil helmet. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Marta Golden

Hello Edwardx,

I wish to apologise for my edits at your created article Marta Golden. I normally look at the "history" before making edits. I didn't in this case and didn't realize that you were probably still in the process of creating/fleshing out the article. I am usually peeved when people do this to articles I am still in the process of making (I don't mind it after I have added all of the input I have found). So, I hope you are not angry with me! ExRat (talk) 03:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thoughtful of you to email me. However, I'm actually very happy for you to add to anything that I've started. We had a Tramp-themed editathon (100th anniversary of the film of that title) yesterday at the Cinema Museum (London), which was once the Lambeth Workhouse, where Chaplin lived in his youth. I started nine articles, and they are mostly pretty sketchy. I started with creating pages for actors in The Tramp (film) without one, then progressed to doing the same for all of his Essanay Studios output. I will always find plenty more articles to start, and I rarely "finish" anything. Please go ahead and add more to Marta Golden or any of the others. Edwardx (talk) 10:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Chris Hohn

Just reading the FT and came across another billionaire I think? Could you please add more referenced info about his estimated wealth?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:27, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Added net worth. STRL says £657 million. $1.1 billion in Forbes. So, he's a billionaire! Edwardx (talk) 22:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Are you interested in helping me out a bit with Khoo Kay Peng please? A stub would be fine I suppose. I'd like to remove the 'under construction' tag, but we need a bit more, especially in the 'early life' section.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Done a bit. Edwardx (talk) 00:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I wonder where we could find some info to fill in the 'early life' section.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Very hard to find anything, but I've managed a DOB. Plus a big expansion of his early career. Found a blog that says he inherited MUI from his father, but the book sources contradict this. Lots more information can be found via Google Books. Have you used Google Books together with Reftag to generate easy references yet, simply by cutting and pasting the Google Books URL into Reftag ? According to this blog, Pauline Chai is his step sister! Edwardx (talk) 10:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

On behalf of posterity, I beg you to check the results of Reftag (which is very useful) as they often differ from the scanned book and frequently miss out important information. e.g. edition, publisher, authors not correctly formatted, place of publication missing, etc. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Very good point. These tools can save us a lot of tedious work, but there is still a need for using a little common sense. Edwardx (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Please tell your students Professor. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I'm teaching third year undergrads tomorrow. Edwardx (talk) 00:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

My big tip is, don't be like my economics lecturer at college and tuck your shirt into your underpants. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Fabulous. I have removed the 'under construction' tag for now. I wonder where he was educated. I have never used reftag. I wouldn't trust a blogspot source. I wonder if she is notable beyond the 'beauty queen' credentials--she might be a philanthropist. I do like her alpacas at Rossway. Imagine having to feed them everyday--now, THAT's a first world problem!Zigzig20s (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Minor edit questions: Is your second reference valid for "Khoo Kay Peng was mentored by Khoo Teck Puat, who founded Malayan Banking in 1960. Khoo Kay Peng joined the new bank and soon became a manager. In 1965, he was seconded to Bank Bumiputra, and quickly rose to a senior position." as well as "He left in 1976 to start his own business, developing property in Kuala Lumpur with a loan from Southern Banking, which made him a millionaire."? I prefer in-lining every sentence; it is much easier when one wants to expand the page.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, same ref. The next meet-up is: Sunday 8 February from 1pm Edwardx (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh. Do they serve organic craft beers though? Btw, lots of new billionaires today. I have started Mario Lopez Estrada and Ryan Graves so far, and Nathan Blecharczyk ought to have a page, etc. I am also wondering if she is sufficiently notable to have her own page? I've not created it yet because some of the sources out there are very gossipy.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

A decent range of real ales, okay food, no music/TV/sport. Yes, so many new billionaires! The global economy is booming! Can you feel the trickle down? Agreed, the sources for that seem a bit too sensationalist, nbut you might just about get away with it. Edwardx (talk) 00:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you able to find more serious references please? Apparently she owns a retail center in Malibu, but that's it. I've never been to a shopping centre in Malibu tbh--only Zuma Beach, Our Lady of Malibu, and a Thai restaurant whose name I can't remember. Btw, I have met Arthur Laffer; a fabulous fellow. The problem comes from taxes and the entitlement culture, etc.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, I've started User:Zigzig20s/Elizabeth Paige Laurie. I am guessing she must be a philanthropist and possibly a film producer, but I can't find anything reliable so far. I've certainly never seen her in The Beverly Hills Courier--she must live in Malibu--they are a different tribe lol.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for adding a bit; User:Zigzig20s/Bill Laurie also seems notable: owner of a sports team. Frankly, the Waltons have three members on 2015's top 20 richest individuals globally, I find it a little odd that a nobody like Katie Price has more info on her page. I mean, it is completely ridiculous.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:11, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Such so-called "celebrities" and "sports stars" are the new opium of the masses. I have no interest in wasting my time even looking at such pages, let alone editing them. Edwardx (talk) 21:37, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

They will be holding academic conferences on Katie Price in 50 years and we will be the primary source! They already hold conferences on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and recently Kraftwerk. Bettina Burr is a descendant of a string of dead Rothschilds if you are interested in the dead. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Academia is under attack--it started with marxist 'praxis' in the 1960s and has morphed into political correctness and diversity I think. Students don't even learn Latin any more. Perhaps there should be an article entitled, Political correctness in academia, but it would have a Western bias. Are you still interested in helping me with User:Zigzig20s/Andrew Tift and User:Zigzig20s/Dexter Brown please? And yes, I am interested in the Rothschild heiress--a very philanthropic family.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I was arguing for the long term cultural significance of these figures as phenomenons actually. I will help with the others shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:52, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

True enough - these things are culturally significant, even if (or, perhaps because) the lives of the actual people are deeply trivial. I'll try to look at the other "new" people tomorrow. Edwardx (talk) 00:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It's the phenomenon that's significant. Anyway, I am not suggesting that we spend any time on them. There are plenty of others willing to do that, though the articles may need to be rewritten from a more sociological perspective once the fan interest has died down in about 10 years. Put them on your to do list! Philafrenzy (talk) 00:46, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Too boring imo. My understanding is that many of those "celebrities" and "sportspeople" work in advertising for the owners of product lines.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:31, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way to e-mail you?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. On the left had side panel under "Tools", click "Email this user". Edwardx (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess Bill Laurie may be good to go. What do you think and are you able to find more please? I don't think it could be sent to AFD--there is too much there.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I'm too busy adding "new" Forbes billionaires! Edwardx (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

In the future, everyone will be a billionaire for 15 minutes. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Nice idea, but can't see how that's going to work. Maybe we'll each get to enjoy 15 minutes of "trickle down" from a billionaire? Edwardx (talk) 22:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The financial obstacles will be solved by using the, soon to be reintroduced, Greek Drachma. It will be a perk of the 15 minutes that a beautiful woman (or man) will be on your arm making you look good and each citizen will have complete immunity from jail for any crimes they may commit during the 15 minutes, just like real billionaires have all the time. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, if you want to work on Mario Lopez Estrada, I wonder if he was the presidential candidate of Nationalist Change Union or not. It is possible.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm looking for more, although it's mostly in Spanish. First billionaire in Central America! Edwardx (talk) 22:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Btw, Joe Gebbia might be related to the Gebbias of StockCross (Beverly Hills Chamber of Commerce/Hidden Hills). (They are friends with Donald Sterling.) Just a hunch; I could be wrong.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:09, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Might be. There are so many new billionaires to write about. Several have offered lavish gifts as a thank you for starting articles about them, but I graciously decline all such generosity. Edwardx (talk) 09:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you joking?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Edwardx (talk) 22:48, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

lol.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I forgot to add that Bill Laurie is now a thing btw.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

More great work. Edwardx (talk) 00:43, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

They have a house in Bel Air, as I found out in the BH Courier. They probably only go to Missouri for some riding...it can be fun to relax in fly-over country sometimes.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks like we have lost you to silent actors.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

That was due to Education Program:Wikimedia UK/Cinema Museum 2015 (Spring 2015), and the centenary of The Tramp (film) I'll be back on billionaires soon. Edwardx (talk) 22:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps I should get more involved.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. A recently retired woman who I helped out yesterday briefly popped into the meet-up today. Quite gratifying, as most people we train never edit again! You add plenty of content, but sometimes it makes sense to have a somewhat higher profile with Wikimedia... Edwardx (talk) 00:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I haven't decided if I'd like to become the gay, neoconservative/Christian Zionist Adrianne Wadewitz of our time. I think I may be creeped out if people who know who I am start watching my edit contributions.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:50, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Fitzrovia

Characters of Fitzrovia, Pentelow & Rowe? "A witty, vivacious, picaresque romp through Fitzrovia's history." Philafrenzy (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Chatto and Windus, but a "Felix Dennis book", himself a rather colourful character. Edwardx (talk) 23:21, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Indeed. Good jumping off point. Maybe not that scholarly. Always ask, "where did they get their information from?" Many of these books were written before BNA etc were widely used. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I see Dennis's father left the family when he was young. This is so common among high achievers that it is almost a cliché. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I blame my Dad for not leaving home. Edwardx (talk) 10:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

You beat me to that joke! Philafrenzy (talk) 11:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

London 91

Hi, we met again at London 91 yesterday - you're on my list of Wikipedians I have met. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

David M. Cote

Hey Edward, I wanted to thank you for your comments on David Cote's talk page regarding my proposed changes. I went ahead and made the edits that you, DGG, and User:Cullen328 suggested, and I was hoping you wouldn't mind taking a look at my revisions if you're not too busy. I really appreciate the feedback; it's been helpful in my wikipedian education, and I'm learning more and more about the community, slowly but surely. FacultiesIntact (talk) 18:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)