User talk:Djsasso/Archive 3

Don Gay

My watchlist notified me that you restore this article. Why was it deleted in the first place, and by whom? The article needs work, but the subject is clearly notable (and I'm a confirmed deletionist). - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 21:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The original version was tagged as a copy vio. I just restored it to merge histories since I noticed it was back. And it looks like it was actually you who put on the speedy to have the first version deleted now that I look at it. -Djsasso (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

{TOCnestright}

You removed the {TOCnestright} templates I used on several SC Finals articles, but I think it makes the layout look much better. Having the TOC as default, it splits the readable text, often separating the lead from the main text by a large TOC box and whitespace. With {TOCnestright} the text flows naturally, allowing you to read without interruption. Just my opinion, of course, but I thought it was an improvement. Jmj713 (talk) 05:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that it makes the page heavy on one side and squishes the test into 4 or 5 word lines on the average resolution. Which I think is the reason for the white space, to stop the words from getting scrunched like that. -Djsasso (talk) 15:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Columbus Blue Jackets

Thanks for the kind words! I've been putting a lot of effort in, and it's great to have it noticed. :) Macduffman (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Hey, the Orleans Blues of the CJHL changed their name to the Gloucester Rangers. By any chance could you move the Blues to the Rangers page for me? I can't make the move without an admin. DMighton (talk) 08:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. DMighton (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Barnstar!

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		For all of your help in tagging WP:CANUCKS related articles, a big THANK YOU! Your efforts have been instrumental to the early life of this task force. – Nurmsook! (talk) 01:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem, I had been thinking that no one would ever tag any of the task force articles cause most of the other task force articles have never been tagged except some NJD articles. And then it dawned on me that AWB would be perfect for the job. I just scanned through all the articles in Vancouver Canucks directories looking for "Vancouver-Canucks-task-force=yes" and any that were missing it got tagged. Was so much faster than I expected that I went and did all the other task forces except Sweden and Boston so far. -Djsasso (talk) 05:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

2007-08 NHL season

Hello Djsasso. I must be burnt out; Krm500 has added diacritics to that article & I haven't done anything about it. GoodDay (talk) 16:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank goodness, he hid them. GoodDay (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

People From Edmonton

Spruce Grove is in the Edmonton area. It's not necessary to add people from spruce grove and the category only has 4 people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TelusFielder (talk • contribs) 03:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually it is, we specifically split the categories for a reason. -Djsasso (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

And that reason being? TelusFielder (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

They are two seperate cities. It is how it is done all throughout wikipedia to organize the categories. Just because they are next to each other doesn't mean the people from both should be thrown into the same category. We split up categories for via official boundaries and its not unique to Edmonton. Suburbs of major cities get their own categories if they are a distinct city. -Djsasso (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

New York Rangers

Hi, Djsasso -- question. Why revert Glenn Anderson being added to the HOF list? At first glance the edit seemed fine to me.
Has he technically not yet been inducted, or something? Macduffman (talk) 13:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't join the hall until November 10th. It's a case of WP:Crystal, while its unlikely, something could happen between now and then. -Djsasso (talk) 13:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I figured as much. :) Thanks. Macduffman (talk) 15:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Junior hockey

It is a real league... lol... who knew? I'll see what I can do for it. DMighton (talk) 23:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Your hockey taggings

...has a high error rate: FC Spartak Moscow is a... ugh, FC; CSKA Moscow is a multi-sports club, and so on. By the way, you should really use User:Kingbotk/Plugin, which makes many things simple additions can't, for example it handles banner shells correctly. MaxSem^{(Han shot first!)} 18:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The first one was a mistake. But a multisport club that is involved in hockey is still in scope of the hockey project. And either way, one mistake doesn't make a high error rate when I have done about 2k of these tags. -Djsasso (talk) 18:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Multisports club is not in your scope if its hockey team has its own article. MaxSem^{(Han shot first!)} 18:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually it would be, just like the owner of a team would be in our scope. The owner persay of these teams would be the multisport club. Or just like we tag the sports pages of universities that include a ice hockey team. -Djsasso (talk) 18:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I must thank you about the plugin however, I had tried to get it running before and it never worked. Seems to be working now so maybe something changed since I last tried. -Djsasso (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently I spoke too soon. Thing seems to crash everytime it has 5 or so project tags in a banner shell. -Djsasso (talk) 20:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

2010 & 2012 Junior tournament

But planning is starting for these tournaments. Similar to something like 2028 Summer Olympics. --Farmerman (talk) 20:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The Olympics are a bit of a different monster all together. Most people don't like the olympics having articles that far out either. I think the biggest difference between the Olympics and the Juniors is that they don't happen every year like the juniors do and they are considerably more notable world wide. Believe me I understand your point of view and don't necessarily disagree with it. Only reason I have any issue with it is that the cities haven't even been announced yet. So these articles are pretty ripe to end up full of POV and rumour. (They aren't at the moment however.) -Djsasso (talk) 20:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not suggesting that we go out to 2028 for the world juniors. But planning is already in place for those that you want to delete, and the planning is much more advanced than the 2028 Olympics. That Olympic article is just rumours published by the press. The 2010 World Junior tournament is only 18 months away. The cities that have submitted a formal bid are publicly known. I believe the formal bid presentations already occurred and the winning host cities are going to be announced sometime this summer for both 2010 & 2012. And by the way, I am not looking for a badge for working on these articles. --Farmerman (talk) 20:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Penguins Stanley Cup Roster Templates

I started making Stanley Cup Roster templates for the Penguins and saw that you removed them . I thought these templates were appropriate especially since other sports on Wikipedia (MLB and the NHL) use them for championship teams and players. I repectfully need input. Thanks --Pennsylvania Penguin (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Stanley cup roster templates have been deleted numerous times via consensus as navbox templates are only supposed to contain links which would otherwise already be featured in an article or are defining of the player in the article. The fact that player x played with player y does not define player x it only defines the actual team they were on, as such those kinds of lists are only used on the season pages for that particular team. -Djsasso (talk) 01:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Page Move Request

Hey, I was wondering if you could give me a hand. I would like to move Le Collège Français de Longueuil to the Longueuil Collège Français disambiguation page, and add a redirect to the Verdun Collège Français at the top. I feel this would better suit the current Longueuil club... as well... I've had the team listed by French name by way too long... I would feel better if it was slightly more anglicized... but still with accents -- so it can fall in line with the rest of the QJAAAHL teams. I hope you can help. DMighton (talk) 02:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. -Djsasso (talk) 02:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. DMighton (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

P. J. Axelsson

Actually, there is such a consensus. Please check pages T. S. Eliot, W. H. Auden, D. H. Lawrence, H. G. Wells, J. R. R. Tolkien, etc. Even if there weren't such a consensus in place, having a space in between makes sense, especially in analogy with names such as J. Edgar Hoover. Or do you prefer J.Edgar Hoover? LarRan (talk) 20:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

There have actually been extensive edit wars over this topic. Your Hoover example is different because its an initial followed directly by a last name. -Djsasso (talk) 21:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, its followed by a first name, his last name was Hoover. Of course it's different, as I said it's an analogy. Analogies are usually different to some degree, but one can (hopefully) see a pattern. Hope you can re-think about this, and not take it personally. LarRan (talk) 10:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

mcenroe

First of all, sorry about the prod notice on your page. Secondly, after looking through some of the sources you've given, and doing a bit of googling myself I have found evidence of his music on CBC here: [1]). Do you have a reference for the international tour? That would be helpful in cementing the article's notability. No hard feelings, --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I will take a look. I know he has toured in the states a couple times and japan. -Djsasso (talk) 00:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The Frederick K. Cox International Law Center at Case Western Reserve University School of Law

I'm new to wikipedia. Perhaps I did something incorrectly when I created the Cox Center article. Who are you and why did you delete the article? Thanks. Williamericwolff (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Basically because it read like an advert. The only references on page were not reliable sources because they were not independent. Now I am only guessing but I would bet that WP:COI comes into play as well. -Djsasso (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

re: User:68.149.139.239

So I see. What's comical is that he tries to mock for how seriously we take this site, when he's now gone on with this nonsense for three days. I guess he'll be back two days from now... Resolute 22:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

...aaaaand I've extended to a week and protected their talk page as they persist in the nonsense. Resolute 23:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

And back again, lol. I've already dropped a Level 4im warning on him for picking right back up where he left off. I think the next block is going to be a month... Resolute 14:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I pretty much go 24, 48, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year when looking at block history. -Djsasso (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, that was quick. Blocked him again. Resolute 16:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Hi. Could I trouble you for a page move? I did not know where to put the request, but I know you're an admin. It's about Kirpal Singh (Spy). Since "spy" is not a name, I think it shouldn't be initcapped. Could've done it myself, but there's already a redirect in place by the name of Kirpal Singh (spy). I think it should be the other way around. Don't you, too? Thanks. LarRan (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

You can move pages yourself when there is no redirect blocking them as there didn't seem to be one in this instance. However, you are correct it should not be capitalized. -Djsasso (talk) 01:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

You sure there wasn't a redirect in the way? Must be something wrong with my eyes. Anyway, thanks. LarRan (talk) 07:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

User: Wassup54

Hello Djsasso. Wassup seems to have an anti-Canadian theme to his edits, concerning Quebec related articles; see St. Leonard, Quebec. I wonder if I should report him/her for possible disruptive editing. GoodDay (talk) 22:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried helping him/her out, but that edit is plain silly. POV stuff left and right. I have tried to his side etc. I dunno, sometimes it can be disheartening on wikipedia eh.. Dbrodbeck (talk) 02:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think our friend is back, using an anon IP, check out edits by 65.94.162.121 Dbrodbeck (talk) 23:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention 65.94.226.182..... Dbrodbeck (talk) 23:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

And User:65.94.162.252. I've left notices at all four pages. --Ckatz^chat_spy 09:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Et encore... 65.94.161.228 Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yet another... 65.94.172.154 Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

This isnt anti-canadian edits, it is pro-Quebec edits, huge differences. All of you however seems reluctant to have Quebec being more mentioned. I understand that all of you live outside of Quebec and that you do not understand the nationalism movement here but you have to realize something: Only people living in Quebec have the right to define their own identity, independance or not. The majority of the population here consider themselves as Quebecers, hell even your house of common has declared that Quebecers form a nation inside a united Canada. So you should at least show some sort of respect by letting us define ourselves the way we see fit, no offense. Now Ill admit that I may have went too far in erasing totally canadian references, but I propose a compromise: to mention both canadian AND Quebecer identity for personnalities living in the province. What do you think. Wassup54 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.162.252 (talk) 07:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The issue is that your edits are changing content without any reason. Your politics aside, it does not affect the fact that say oh if someone's passport says they are Canadian, they are Canadian (for example). Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I have blocked the range twice, but i won't be able to keep doing that as the range is for bell in montreal and I am not sure how many people that would be affecting. It may just come down to policing articles they are likely to hit and revert when necessary. -Djsasso (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It look like, you may have to 'block' his range again. Wassup54, has chosen to no longer sign in. GoodDay (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

And it seems he or she is back. CHeck out Night-sunne Dbrodbeck (talk) 10:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I will keep my eye out, but unless he engages in full out disruptive editing again, there isn't much I can do as its just a content dispute until he crosses that line. -Djsasso (talk) 13:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

He's playing again in Montreal Alouettes and Multiculturalism... Dbrodbeck (talk) 04:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Milton Keynes Thunder

I see you nominated Peter Taylor (ice hockey) for deletion. You might want to check the roster at Milton Keynes Thunder; I haven't looked at all the players, but I would assume that many others could also be added to your nomination. Skudrafan1 (talk) 05:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah most of them are prods at the moment. -Djsasso (talk) 05:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:2007–08 NHL season

I've just made a recommendation on the page Talk:2007–08 NHL season. Since you edit there regularly, I wanted your comment. BMW(drive) 14:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

en dash

Hi. I thought I knew what I was doing changing to an en dash in the Luc Bourdon article. Was I wrong? If so, what did I do wrong? I want to make sure I do it right from now on. --Elliskev 15:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh you didn't do wrong, basically its just cleaner to use the actual character instead of the HTML code. Most people don't realize how easy it is to do without using the html code. All you have to do is hold down ALT and them press 0150 and it will make the actual character. -Djsasso (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for that tip. --Elliskev 16:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The club dispute

My formulation is nutral, your is a POV. I think we should keep the amature-professional club left aside with CSKA because a team who beats montreal. at it's peak, 6-1, and whose players, most of them, were yearly world champions as part of the national team, are not amatures, even their players admit that. Today it is widely agreed in Russia that the CSKA of those times was professional.

So my formulation keeps the question who was bigger, CSKA or Montreal, open, and that way NPOV. Your formulation pushes a POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.172.187 (talk) 21:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You are engaged in the edit war just like me, i'm difending an NPOV. Administratorship doesnt give you the right to push POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.172.187 (talk) 21:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually my version was an attempt at NPOV. By making it possible for both to be the best in the world. Formulating whether they were professional is a decent arguement and one that deserves a section in the CSKA page. However, when it comes to pure championships the Soviet Union right up until the break up claimed they were not paying the players to play and that they were just members of the armed forces. Obviously they were using loop holes but we need to go with what is official. The stance of the hockey project on wikipedia is that the Soviet League was a strictly amateur league up until the change. -Djsasso (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

First, please stop threatening, it's not honest. You are the one causing this edit war. I'm not regestered, but i'm familiar with the rules. My formulation is NPOV, your one pushes a POV. But you yourself admit the professional-amature case is disputed!!! That's why i keep it completely out. Thats the whole point. The fact the Soviet beated NHL temas in the series just proves we should ugnore the professional-amature thing, since it is disputed, and focus stricktly on achievments. I'm a Detroit fan, live in Israel. I'm c-o-m-p-l-e-t-l-e-y nutral here, so if you took me wrong i'm sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.172.187 (talk) 21:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Except that one game does not mean throughout history its the best team. I am not threatening, I was warning. The fact you reverted it now a 4th time gives me ample reason to block you but I didn't. I was however trying to get you to discuss the issue without blindly reverting back and forth. However, since you keep insisting on having it your way maybe I should have you blocked. As for me disputing, its you who disputed what was there in the first place and changed it. -Djsasso (talk) 21:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh a lighter note, being a fan of Detroit probably would make you more biased as you are trying to knock down the might Canadiens so to speak. -Djsasso (talk) 21:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Actualy i have symphaty to Montreal. I think their achievments bring pride to NHL and that the fact they are not strong today as then denounces the whole league. I think it's sad Canadian players who grew up in Montreal play for USA teams only because of money. If not the huge money of USA clubs, Montreal would still rule, and that would be fair. 79.180.172.187 (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Anon you've breached 3RR at those articles; again - discuss you proposed changes first. GoodDay (talk) 22:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

And thats what i'm doing. My formulation is nutral thats why it should say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.172.187 (talk • contribs)

This is very true. I have no ill will toward you or your opinion. I just think the best way to word it is to say one is professional and one is amateur so that arguements about validity can be avoided, because as is seen by their complete lack of championships since they turned pro, its fairly obvious they were stacking the teams that played the NHL teams etc and once they turned pro they could no longer benefit from that. To argue that the CSKA was on the level of the Canadiens as a normal league team is false. It was more a case of the Soviet Leagues all-star team playing an individual NHL team. -Djsasso (talk) 22:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Montreal to ended in 92. And? It was Soviet teams, regular teams, not only CSKA. Looks, you see it's disputed, thats why i did the NPOV fprmulation.

I recommend 79.180.172.187 be blocked for breaching 3RR on Montreal Canadiens and HC CSKA Moscow articles. He seems unwilling to discuss his idea's first. GoodDay (talk) 22:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I already beat you too it. I wanted to let him discuss the idea and let his first breach pass. But when he reverted a number of other people I had to do it. Ironically the last few he reveted were people switching it to the way he originally wrote it. -Djsasso (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Definitely a case of heavy revert thumb. GoodDay (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I think its just a case of someone newer to wikipedia not quite sure how things work and then getting a little heated when things don't go their way. Next time they will probably understand its better to talk. I actually meant for him to go to the team talk page and discuss it, should have been more clear I suppose. -Djsasso (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

IP rookie mistakes, to be sure. GoodDay (talk) 23:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

So you support that kind of concensus? I have seen the other users reverted me to my first version, but just for the record, i reverted them not just to revert, but because i was shure you hate it and would resist so i went to a softer version. If you like it, fine, i only tried to make it better. If the Montreal case is closed i dont mind, less head ache.

CSKA today are even officaly professional. They are a regular professional team. Morever, they agree or admitt, that then they were professional. Why i want to ignore the professional-amature thing? Beacause you yourself know it's disputed, so lets look on achievments only. Lets ignore the disputed thing. Dont get me wrong. I havent written they are the best but "one of the best, if not the best". So it's completely NPOV.

And it's sad that people started reverted me without even knowing that we have a discussion on your talk page. By blocking me how did it help to the discussion? I'm seriously thinking of signing up. Then i'll have a normal talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.66.161.47 (talk) 04:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It's sad that certain IPs seem incapable of leaving the articles as they were, before their edits. AGAIN, discuss what you want changed at talk: HC CSKA Moscow first. You're not going to get anywhere by making your changes first, then discussiong it. Indeed you're being disruptive. GoodDay (talk) 20:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your the disruptive one here!!! Havent you noticed that there is a big discussion here?? Havent you read it?? Belive me, the discussion here goes nice without you. If you would learn the whole case you would see that the mission is not to do "my edits" but to create an NPOV opinion. And thats what's being done here!!! 79.181.157.144 (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I see that reasoning with you, isn't going to be successful. Very well, continue with your disruptive ways. GoodDay (talk) 20:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

For Djsasso

Hey Dj, I'm gonna let you (and others) handle things at HC CSKA Moscow. The IP is being too uncooperative, for my taste. He/she is only ticking me off. GoodDay (talk) 20:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank goodness, our IP friend has (I believe) finnaly registered as User: TheJokerrr; and better yet, he's interested in the same articles as I am (for example: Peter III of Russia & President of Cuba etc); who'd a thought eh? cool. GoodDay (talk) 14:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, we also got a new registered User named User:Necklace01, also interested in HC CSKA Moscow; even cooler. GoodDay (talk) 14:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If you would checkuser us you would see no connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.167.107 (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Who said anything about connections? Aren't you being a tad paranoid? GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

You said. You wrote it here, which is my discussion with Djasso, and i write from an IP, so beetwen me and Djasso you probably mean me. Anyway

Anyway, if you want, checkuser us. I'm from Israel, check where they are from and it will be clear to you.

Djasso, i moved the discussion to the talk page of the Montreal article as you guys tol me. All this time i was shure everybody read it here they are simply to get involved! You could move it yourself instead of blocking me yesterday by the argument i dont discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.167.107 (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Well, fine. As a joke I added the names Curly and Shemp to Larry and Moe Robinson on the "relatives in the NHL" site. You found them, sent a warning, deleted them. Fair enough. On the other hand, I don't know why you decided to delete references to Aurel Joliat (I saw the broadcast in question and met the man not long afterwards at the 1986 Hall of Fame banquet), or why changes were made to Greg Terrion's bit -- he WAS a checking line center who often played with Dan Daoust. I know! I was there for Pete's sake up in the press box of Maple Leaf Gardens, 1985-86. I remember when Miro Ihnacak was smuggled out of Czechoslovakia, and how various newspapers, including The Hockey News, called him Miro the Zero because he didn't amount to anything. Or that Mark Howe played with Brad McCrimmon in the mid 80s and the two of them racked up incredible plus/minus stats. I suppose if I had mentioned that Howe had won the Emery Edge trophy for plus/minus stats (an NHL trophy back then), that would have been deleted too. I see all sorts of things on Wikipedia that are not annotated. Apart from the small joke -- which as I said, caught fair and square and right away -- what was wrong with the other postings?

by the way, I accidentally sent my first attempt here. Do I remove it or you? Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Djsasso/Archive_4" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.185.67 (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The problem with most of them were that they contained opinions on the type of players these people were. Opinions are to be left out of articles. Facts are ok when backed up with reference, but opinons are not. In the case of Joliat, well the fact that he was seen playing pinball isn't really encyclopedic. -Djsasso (talk) 19:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

...but his white hair flying in the wind was? Joliat, I mean.

You do what you need to do Djasso, you have the authority, but commenting on how good a player was, or their particular style shows up in a lot of player bios. I mean Tiger Williams had to have a REASON for being the most penalized player in the game, otherwise the numbers -- impressive as they are -- really don't mean anything other than he sure tripped a lot of guys or had a lot of delay of games. The fact he was pugnacious would have to enter into it. The fellow -- name escapes at the moment -- who was smashed in the face by Wilf Paiement around 1979 or so -- is said to have been a top-notch "trash talker". Those words exactly. How is saying that Terrion was a checking centre different? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.185.67 (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not saying those sorts of things can't be in the article, but you need a source from a reliable source that backs up that they are those things. Either way I have no more authority than anyone else, I was just trying to point out that there might be a better way to write what you were mentioning. -Djsasso (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

User Jokerrr

Hey DJ, I must say in a way he or she has a clever username... Anyway, just a heads up, this person is reverting changes you, and I and GoodDay have made, including reverting typo fixes... I think this person may be a fan of Central Red Army, though that is just a guess... Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I am betting its yet another sock puppet of the 65.94.xx.xx IP and Wassup and IrishForce and Nightsunne etc. I am probably going to be putting in a suspected sock puppet in an hour or so on them. I won't add him yet but if he continues to just revert edits by 3 of the people who happen to be reverting the edits of the 65.94.xx.xx IP then I will have to assume he is also one of the sock puppets. -Djsasso (talk) 14:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, that is much more likely. Dbrodbeck (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the Jokerrr is certainly wild. GoodDay (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll go off the board for 50 Jack and take Trolls.... Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete KevJumba's page?

Why? KevJumba's page has updated references from major newspaper (San Francisco Chronicle) and other independent sources. Other Youtube comedians have their own wiki pages, so why couldn't KevJumba have his page? If you want to delete youtube comedians, at least be consistent and delete all of them. Otherwise, your deletion of KevJumba's page was prejudicial.—Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 22:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You need to have reliable sources for people, and youtube is not considered reliable. You need sources from other notable publications in order to pass WP:V and WP:Notability (people). -Djsasso (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

It has reliable sources including an article from San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) which is the largest newspaper in San Francisco and Northern California. (June 5, 2008) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/05/DDIF113834.DTL

Here are other sources NOT from Youtube:

http://aarising.com/aprofiler/kevjumba.htm

http://www.newsflavor.com/Entertainment/Kevjumba-The-New-Celebrity.127862 —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 14:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

when are you going to restore the page or is it impossible to convince you to restore it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 12:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It's be deleted atleast 3 different times by afd. I suggest you take it to deletion review if you would like it restored and they will !vote on it again. -Djsasso (talk) 14:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Forget it. I don't want to waste my time talking to nazi censors. Your deletion was censorship and suppression of free speech based on prejudice. Just so you know, of the top 5 most subscribed youtube comedians, the 3 white comedians have wiki pages, but the two asian comedians had their wiki pages deleted and blocked from creation. Sorry to see that wikipedia is run by a bunch of small-minded bigots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 14:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is not about tracking youtube popularity (or any popularity at all), but rather about notability, that piece of information is not useful. The race of any person involved, either as an editor or as the subject of any article on Wikipedia, is not the point.  Frank  |  talk  14:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability is the key. Oh and umm, wikipedia is 'run' by you as much as it is by Djsasso or me. Dbrodbeck (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability as defined by whom? the white media? you? don't you see the problem? Notability is just an excuse for excluding people. Back in the dark days, the southern states found all sorts of ways to exclude black people from voting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs)

As you have been told, on a number of occasions, this is about verifiability and notability, not about ethnicity. Please see WP:V and WP:Notability (people). This will be much more productive than tossing around unfounded allegations of racism. Please be civil. Dbrodbeck (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

In my view, the page meets the WP Notability criteria, so what's your point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 17:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

So then go to the deletion review link I gave you and make your case. -Djsasso (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

To the same people who deleted it? What a waste of time. It's pointless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 18:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well the idea, is that it is a different group of people who will look at it. Would be a better use of your time than arguing to us. -Djsasso (talk) 18:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You were wrong to delete the page in the first place. You did not follow the WP Notability guideline. Just because it was deleted many months ago does not mean that it should be deleted now. The new page contains new sources from recent newspaper and web publications. According to the WP guideline, you were not supposed to delete it unless you could show that it did not meet the criteria. The guideline further states that "a person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." The SF Chronicle and other web sources clearly met the criteria. Your deletion was not justified. You abused your power as an administrator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 12:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The deletion of the page was entirely within the guidelines. You are not interpreting the entire quote you listed above, and you have to understand that it's not the ONLY thing that determines whether a subject is notable. The quote includes "reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." This automatically precludes youtube and blogs, including blogs by the subject of an article. The article that was deleted may have had a link to a SF Chronicle article, but that is not enough to establish notability. It needs to be about the subject, not just a quote from the subject, and it needs to occur enough times - and in enough places - that notability is clear.

There is definitely a deletion review process that you can go through, and in fact other editors would take part in it. You are also welcome to create the article again and see if other editors feel it should be deleted. In either case, you will be able to determine if anyone has "abused" power, or if in fact it is community consensus that is being employed here. I am confident you'll find it is the latter, but regardless of the outcome, I encourage you to use the tools available to you rather than just hanging around here. You have already gotten a few opinions on the matter; there are plenty of other editors whose opinions you can solicit. Remember that deletion of an article is not personal - this is about content, not a particular editor (or two).  Frank  |  talk  12:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Followup - I see this article cannot be created directly because it's been protected (too many deletions already). However, you can try to create an article in your user space and find sources which show notability, then have other editors review it to see if it meets guidelines. I personally think that will be hard to do, because he's a teenager with a youtube account (so what) but that doesn't mean it can't be done. (And, if you wait long enough, and he actually does become notable, it will be no problem at that point.)  Frank  |  talk  12:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with your interpretation of the guidelines. In my view, the article met the guidelines and should not be deleted. Why should a few editors decide what the world can see on wikipedia? It's censorship which could be abused. The problem is that administrators could misuse the "notability guidelines" as a pretext to exclude articles. I also don't understand why it should be protected from creation. New sources about him become available and there is no reason to block it. The fact that people try to create new articles about him means people think he is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by V12345c (talk • contribs) 13:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, instead of beating a dead horse here, why don't you take some of the suggestions here?Dbrodbeck (talk) 14:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

When/If new sources become available people can request that a page be unblocked by an admin so they can edit it. However, this page along with various other spellings of his name have been deleted upwards of 10 times now so all the various spellings have been protected. The fact people try to create articles about him means he is popular. Notability is not equal to popularity. -Djsasso (talk) 14:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Your disagreement is definitely open to discussion, and I highly encourage you to go to deletion review for that. It's not about "a few editors" - it's about community consensus. If you feel the article is not getting a fair look, deletion review is the place to go. Also, please sign your comments on all talk pages by adding ~~~~ at the end of each comment you make so people know who wrote what.  Frank  |  talk  14:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Removing nicknames

Where's the decision? I haven't found it and I don't see much of a reason for doing so yet. Mass rollbacking your recent edits is tempting. ;-) Maxim_(talk) 21:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

There is part in the main talk page of the project, and then on the infobox template. The reasoning for it is the constant adding of things like "Ozzie" for Osgood and Staalsy for Staal etc etc which aren't true nicknames. We are attempting to make people put nicknames in the prose and sourced instead of the infobox. The field has actually been removed from the infobox for awhile. I am just going through removing them now to fix things like references that got messed up when the field was removed. -Djsasso (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Nicknames

From Nickname, "A nickname is a name of an entity or thing that is not its proper name." Being that "Ozzie" is not a proper name, it is therefore a nickname. All pointless now though. Asher196 (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

And the next sentence. "Not to be confused with a familiar or truncated form of the proper name, such as Bob, Bobby, Rob, Robbie, Robin, and Bert for Robert which is called a short name." -Djsasso (talk) 00:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

We will just have to disagree in this area. Asher196 (talk) 01:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Purple Line edits

Heh, good luck there; I'd watched the affected pages while I decided whether to revert or just AfD the lot. User:Dkender's already been pretty intemperate on my talk page, and going back over his own (which he's blanked), he's already been blocked for WP:NPA violations. Just wanted to give you the heads up!  RGTraynor  15:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh I know, it was your talk page that alerted me to it so I thought I would back you up. I will probably just afd them if he reverts again. It would be different if ground had been atleast broken because then it would meet WP:CRYSTAL in that it was most likely going to happen. In Calgary we happen to have the same sort of thing going on with our train line. And they keep changing their minds, so in city politics you just shouldn't make articles until things are done. -Djsasso (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realize you and Traynor had such a mutual admiration society going on. Traynor is too immature to discuss how immature he is, and you're no better. Have fun. I wish you would AfD those pages so that the rest of the community could get involved in your actions. Dkendr (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually me and him often disagree on various topics, just happen to agree with him on this topic there is no need to attack other users because they disagree with you. Continue to attack other users and you will be blocked again. -Djsasso (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Quite, and indeed, Djsasso and I've butted heads vigorously on a few issues - I wouldn't get between us on a debate about the proper applications of national spelling variants, for example. He is, however, an efficient, knowledgeable and dedicated editor who has never stooped to flinging repeated insults or "declare war" at any editor with whom he's disagreed, and I respect his service, ability and judgment without necessarily having to agree with him on every point. As to community involvement, I see that you're an inexperienced editor, so you may not realize quite how down people are on repeated personal attacks, but I wouldn't in your shoes be sanguine about the prospect.  RGTraynor  17:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Review the pages for WMATA Silver Line stations such as Route 772, which are unbuilt, and tell me that they should not have pages either. Dkendr (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

First off there is a difference between planned and proposed. Secondly you are using a other stuff exists argument which isn't really going to help your case. -Djsasso (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Which is exactly why I didn't touch the Silver Line station articles: the Silver Line's been approved, and I'm bemused that anyone would have trouble realizing the distinction.  RGTraynor  17:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Your Latest Reverts

They actualy made a mistake with the Sockpupeting. I mean, if i'm such a nationalist, and a Russian one, how can my IP be from Israel? But thats possible, and i guess the guy they thought me for was also from Israel, i'm from that immigration to (1 Million out of 6 Million in Israel are from the USSR), there ain't another explanation for the blocking, but then comes a second question. Enter my user contribution's page. Could you find one edit there which is not related to sports? Where are the nationalist topics? The guy they thought me for most of his contribution page is ethnic topics. But nevermind, dont care about it so much. No account - i cant create articles. Less work for me - wikipedia looses. Thats one. Now the second point. If I would promote CSKA, why would I delete the phrase, which not I added, which states that "CSKA is one of the most succesful sport clubs ever" in the begining of the history section there? Which ironicaly, you returned when you reverted me there. P.S. What you reverted there was decided to be there not by me but in a discussion on the talk page. You wanted to get back at me and you reverted a community decision. Funny ah? All i eventualy achieved is that in both texts we will speak directly in numbers, how much the team won what, and thats it. If for you any time it's not told your the greatest then it's insulting you, you should chech your nutrality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.3.32 (talk) 12:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

So let me see if I understand this, you have been banned from editing wikipedia, and are still editing under another IP? OK...... Dbrodbeck (talk) 14:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Its called a proxy server, you can easily make your IP be anywhere in the world if you know how. And just because you are in Israel doesn't mean you can't be a Soviet Nationalist. Just because you push your nationalist ideas in sports doesn't mean you aren't pushing them. All of your edits pretty much involve making russia/ussr look better vs the rest of the world. Its a pretty clear cut case. A community decision that was based on a sock puppet and only a couple people took place in, a number of which could also have been your sock puppets. So the consensus becomes invalid. -Djsasso (talk) 14:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Vince Weiguang Li

I noticed you were deleting and then later redirecting Vince Weiguang Li. Surely this is where the article should be (rather than at Tim McLean) as per Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts)#Perpetrators; while not finalised it suggests that there should not be an article for the victim, unless they were otherwise notable, and that there shouldn't be an article for the Perpetrator, unless they are otherwise notable, they killed a famous figure, or the motivation or "execution of the crime is unusual". That seems to be where we are. Nfitz (talk) 01:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually the article should be at neither, and should be at "Murder of Tim McLean" or some other such name. -Djsasso (talk) 21:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject

I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping me out with setting up the Flyers Task Force. Jobes23 (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Ice hockey fixes

Hey! Just noticed that your recent addition to Template:Ice hockey might have removed one little charachter that has thrown the template off. Currently, when you look at a talk page of a page included in any of our task forces, there is no pull down "related task forces" option. With this, none of the articles are included in the task force categories, so as it stands, all WP:HOCKEY task forces have no articles. It seems as though a pipe character | is missing from the {{#if:{{{peer-review|}}} section. It should look like {{{Philadelphia-Flyers-task-force|}}}|, but right now, the pipe charachter at the very end is missing. Also, later in the coding in the {{#if: section, the {{{Philadelphia-Flyers-task-force|}}} coding is missing below the {{{Vancouver-Canucks-task-force|}}} coding. I could be totally wrong here, but from the little I know about coding, I think this should fix the problem :D – Nurmsook! ^talk... 17:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For beating me to it a lot on huggle tonight. Keep up the vandal fighting! Good work =) Washburnmav (talk) 05:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Haha Thanks! Every once in awhile I go nuts on there. -Djsasso (talk) 05:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Actchatno4

Hi. Suggest block be extended to indefinite, considering his involvement with Super duper salted volano chat that he is likely another Volano Chat (afd) spammer, probably User:Volchatno2. justinfr (talk) 18:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I see Nawlinwiki has done this already. Thanks anyway, and cheers... justinfr (talk) 18:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I was just about to do it when I noticed he beat me to it. -Djsasso (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Minor issue

Please do not leave WP:UWT templates on the talk pages of experienced editors. This is considered exceptionally rude by most editors, and directly disruptive by many. Those templates are intended for noobs who do not know WP's rules yes. FYI, I am quite able to count to three, thanks, and you appear to be misapprehending the nature of the issue, which is that the material in question has been a part of the controlling guidelines on human name disambiguation for quite some time, and cannot per WP:CONSENSUS simply be deleted from the system entirely without consensus to do so. Either it has to live at WP:NCP where it make the most sense, back at WP:DAB where it came from, or there has to be a clear consensus to delete it. Three sports editors do not speak for all of Wikipedia, especially when they have yet to articulate any reason whatsoever for the deletion of the guideline material, which has already been modified to reflect their concerns. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually I find it more appropriate for experienced editors that should know better than to keep reverting in the middle of a discussion. I am actually looking back at DAB to see if it really was there as long as you have said it was. The reason for removing it was that the discussion was not complete. You don't add stuff during a discussion, no matter how the consensus seems to be swaying. -Djsasso (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Thank you for granting me rollback status...I will use it well. Cheers! the_ed17 21:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Counting vandalism reverts

when I revert an article, is there a way to tell that it was because of vandalism? I ask because you said I have done "very little vandalism reverting" and I feel like that's about half of my edits. Thanks in advance.LedRush (talk) 21:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you're pretty forthcoming in your edit summaries when you're reverting, which is A Good Thing. Looking at your user contribution list, however, you've only got about thirty revisions total, for any reason, over the last three months.  RGTraynor  01:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

RGTraynor pretty much summed it up. You are doing a good job, but you haven't been doing alot of it yet. Rollback status can be a dangerous tool, so I just like to see a larger history of working with reversions before I grant the tool. -Djsasso (talk) 03:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand precicisely what you mean. Hopefully with a few more months at my current rate I will be "seasoned" enough:) LedRush (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Calgary Flames Reviews

Calgary Flames has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fasach Nua (talk • contribs)

Calgary Flames has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Fasach Nua (talk) 10:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Indents

I confess, my knowledge of indenting on the talkpages is limited. Someday, I'll grasp it (ha ha). GoodDay (talk) 22:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Basically you add an indent for the level you are replying to. Like this comment. You were right against the margin so I indented one. And if someone was replying to me they would indent two. If someone then wanted to come along and reply to your original message they would indent one so that it would line up with my reply to you. If they wanted to reply to me they would indent two to line up with your reply to me. If they had an unrelated comment on the topic they wouldn't indent at all. -Djsasso (talk) 22:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That's too much for me to digest. I'm just concerned with multiple editor discussion going too far to the right of the screen (extreme cases: 2 words wide & 20 lines long). GoodDay (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

NDP candidate

What riding are you in? I'm pretty sure the NDs are planning on running 308 candidates (along with the Conservatives, the only party that will be doing so, I think). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 01:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Calgary-East. If they are running one then it wasn't listed on the party website yesterday or on the cbc website. -Djsasso (talk) 01:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

To date, the NDP have (just about) nominated only 1 candidate (there's 4 seats) on Prince Edward Island. GoodDay (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

They're always a little late nominating the candidates in the ridings they have no chance in, but I'm sure there'll be one on the ballot. And actually, contrary to what I said yesterday, the Conservatives have decided not to run a candidate in Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, so the NDs will likely be the only party with 308 candidates. Wacky. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:AN/I

I have started an AN/I discussion concerning the dispute over the Calgary Flames article here. Maxim (☎) 20:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Removing comments by other users from ones talk page

You said that anybody can remove comments from their own talk page. Shortly after I joined Wiki and was not very familiar with it, I was told by an administrator the exact opposite. If nothing else, it is not very fair to cosmeticize one's talk page, keep the parts which are favorable to oneself and delete the parts which could be taken to support the opponent's opinion. Mycomp (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

People can remove any comments they like on their talk page. It's preferable that they archive them like I do on my talk page, however they are not required to. The only thing that cannot be done is to have your talk page deleted or to edit someone elses comments ie remove a sentence from a paragraph etc unless its an attack. Warnings for things like vandalism are another matter and some people believe they should not be removed, however they too can be removed. -Djsasso (talk) 23:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Then maybe the rules are different for English Wikipedia and Romanian Wikipedia. DanaEn had this comment (on her Romanian Wikipedia talk page) written by AdiJapan (who is a bureaucrat on Romanian Wikipedia): "Also, please remember that on ro.wp we only remove other users' comments in extreme situations such as when they are entirely made up of personal attacks or, in the case of talk pages that have a specific subject, when the comments are completely unrelated. Thank you. — AdiJapan 7 septembrie 2008 05:54 (EEST)" My comment was neither a personal attack nor unrelated to the subject. But OK, you are an administrator, so you decide.Mycomp (talk) 05:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Each language has its own set of rules and are run diferently. -Djsasso (talk) 05:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Category boo-boo

Hey man, I wanted to contact you here about this rather then clogg up the DEL Category section. I made an error making a category of Serie A. I created two cats on one bio, HC Alleghe, HC Pontebba, the latter is meant to read SG Pontebba, but for some reason (maybe I was working too hard or something) I typed in HC and only noticed now. I can simply create a new category for the right team but what happens to the other one. Sorry about this hiccup, well 350 or so bios and sitting up to 5:30 am last night I guess it was bound to happen :) Raphie (talk) 23:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. I deleted the old cat and created a new one for you. -Djsasso (talk) 17:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks man, sorry I haven't got back sooner, my local hockey team Belfast Giants were playing tonight and I've only got home now. Thanks again. Raphie (talk) 23:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: As punishment...

For pointing out my slip up. Now I am going to bug you if you have the time at some point to make a PHI graphic like you did for the other teams. Realized I never got an image put on the template for the new Philly task force. -Djsasso (talk) 14:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Had almost forgot about now:

I guess that is to be expected when using managment by punishment... :) --Bamsefar75 (talk) 00:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha yeah, I was just buggin. Thanks! -Djsasso (talk) 03:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry bout the incorrect speedy

I was speeding the article before you moved it to the userpage, thus putting the warning on your page since you created the redirect which you then deleted. Sorry bout that. --mboverload@ 05:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I figured that was what happened.-Djsasso (talk) 05:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Ice hockey template

Could you please edit Template:Ice hockey (which is protected)? First, it currently says "within the scope of the WikiProject Ice Hockey, an attempt at building a useful ice hockey resource." I think the project name should be in boldface, like on most talk page banners, to make it stand out more: "within the scope of the WikiProject Ice Hockey, an attempt at building a useful ice hockey resource." Second, the little silver lock still says the page is semi-protected. Thank you. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 18:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you could probably change the protection status to semi-protected. Mr.Z-man (talk · contribs) protected it because it is a heavily used template, but checking the history, there hadn't been any vandalism going on. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 18:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It's bolded now. High use templates like this are usually protected as a precaution. -Djsasso (talk) 18:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok. And thanks for deleting List of Kanada-malja. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 20:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries, yeah that was a rediculous move on their part. So the redirect would make no sense. -Djsasso (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Per this, dropping you a line... Thanks! --Winger84 (talk) 21:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright its been taken care of. User it wisely. -Djsasso (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

IP editor 12.216.240.241

I just had a look at this guy's contribs--not a constructive edit to be seen, and he's been editing off and on since February. I gave him a {{uw-longterm}} warning--hopefully that will get his attention. Blueboy96 12:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review

Thanks for reviewing my submission for rollback permission. I'll stick around for a while and send another request a little later. ~Jonathan (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

G8 summits

I wonder if you might have a view to express in the following context:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 25#Category:G8 summit resorts

I have expressed an opinion, but I'm not certain that my views are necessarily more important than anyone else's. --Tenmei (talk) 18:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics convention

Hi.

Would you know what pages are encompassed of the "no diacritics" convention on player names? Does the convention for example concern only NHL pages, or all North American hockey pages? I mean, in Canada there are a lot of French names, which often have diacritics in them. Many of the teams - mainly from the Quebec area - also have diacritics in their names. What goes? Where can I read about this?

Thanks. LarRan (talk) 09:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The convention covers the NHL, North American professional leagues, the OHL and WHL, and North American college hockey. It doesn't cover European leagues, the LNAH or the QMJHL. THe guiding principle is that since diacritics are not used in the English language, those leagues which are English speaking are covered, while the Quebec-only leagues and the European leagues are outside the convention.  RGTraynor  13:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

He is basically correct, the idea behind the compromise is that no North American leagues use the diacritics on their jersies etc. The names of articles should always have diacritics if they belong, its just player names in articles that we have compromised on. -Djsasso (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. But do you have a link to the actual wp convention? I've searched wp:hockey, but couldn't find it.

LarRan (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It would be in the WP:Hockey talk pages if you are looking for the discussion, just look in the index of the talk pages. If you want the actual convention language its on the front page of WP:HOCKEY. -Djsasso (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Question

What is "article space"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by A Cool Editor (talk • contribs) 16:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Edits to actual articles. Not talk pages or user pages. -Djsasso (talk) 16:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your reply A Cool Editor (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard

[2] What transclusion was it messing up? –xeno (talk) 21:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The new way the csd's display would cover overtop of all the sections below it making it impossible to see them. Also it sort of makes sense to have it in this order in my opinon. -Djsasso (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure I understand...when you expand the CSD backlog things it just makes that section bigger. If you would like it in a particular order though you can transclude each subpage seperately. –xeno (talk) 21:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Not all browsers can shrink down the CSD section, alot of browsers will always show it open which causes it to overlap all the sections below it and push them off to the side off the screen. It's not a big deal I suppose since I can just transclude seperately, but I thought I would make it friendly for all users of it. Prefered it prior to the csd change though. :) -Djsasso (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

How about now? I've hidden the backlog thing... (P.S. Firefox 4tw ;>) –xeno (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it works fine at home on Firefox, but at work I am stuck with an outdated version of IE. That's why its not that big a deal. Didn't think anyone would mind my change. It's still doing it for me, but its all good. -Djsasso (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Wierd it looks totally different when I transclude the whole lot, than when I just transclude them individually...doesn't even use the same format...maybe its my cache... Anyways cool thanks. :) -Djsasso (talk) 21:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

There we go, now it works. -Djsasso (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yea, there's definitely something fishy going on with the transclusions the last little while. If you look at Template:admin dashboard/rfarfp you'll see that the "rollback" section is properly hidden since there's no requests, but on the main page, it's showing up. haven't been arsed to fix that yet. That's painful to hear you have to use IE, an outdated one at that... =] –xeno (talk) 21:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information

I appreciate the notice about the commemorative hockey coins and I'm officially on a hunt for them. I hadn't noticed the "centennial" article before I made the suggestion to add them to the Canadiens article.

As you seem to be quite the hockey editor, I thought I would point something out while I have your attention. There seems to be a discrepancy between the season structure section of the NHL article and the "Season Structure of the NHL" article. I don't quite know what the format is, but they say different things.

Thanks again for the information.

Kingdomcarts (talk) 01:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool I will take a look. They are definately pretty cool little coins and packages they come in. I got both years of the Canadiens in a coin shop in Banff, I have seen Canada Post outlets sell them as well. Shouldn't be too hard to track down. They even had more wierd versions too like you could get a puck with the coin embedded into it and such. -Djsasso (talk) 01:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Potential personal attack at Kww's RfA

I didn't consider it one, but it could very easily be construed as thus. You might want to not make statements like this, but that said you are an admin, so I would imagine that it is an uncommon occurrence. Have a nice day.  Asenine  22:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh I am sure some thin skinned people will consider it as such. It was a rhetorical question. -Djsasso (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Foxy Loxy's RfA

Hello, this message is to inform you that User:Foxy Loxy has restarted their RfA. The new discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Foxy Loxy 2. GlassCobra 09:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

NHL

Would you please explain to me the reason for reverting my edit (revision 242527437) to the article? Thanks IJK_Principle (talk) 16:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles in the See Also section should be directly associated with the particular article. In otherwords give more information about the subject. While the KHL is obviously in a way related to the NHL, it does not give more information about the NHL. -Djsasso (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Aren't those leagues (CHL, KHL) related to the NHL in a way that they are other notable hockey leagues of the world similar to the NHL? Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#See_also doesn't say anything about articles being posted in the see also section to be directly associated with the main article. In fact it says they should be related to it and nothing more and in my opinion CHL, KHL and VC do satisfy these criteria. IJK_Principle (talk) 16:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for your reply, thanks. IJK_Principle (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The reasoning is that that page in particular ends up getting every article even remotely related to hockey added to its see also section. People that want to know about other leagues can either follow the link that is already there that directs them to other leagues, or click on a category. -Djsasso (talk) 15:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

In particular from that section you linked "A reasonable number of relevant links that would be in a hypothetical "perfect article" are suitable to add to the "See also" section of a less developed one." The issue here is that other than maybe the Victoria Cup, I don't see that these leagues would normally be linked from this page. And depending on how loose you are with the term "perfect article" One could argue that a Featured Article is a perfect article and thus as the paragraph goes on to say doesn't even need a See Also section. -Djsasso (talk) 15:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

A note for you

Hi Djsasso, I was informed that you made this rollback denial a couple of days ago. Well, I actually gave that user rollback an hour or so ago, and I'll explain why: (1) the user had done a good amount of reverts, and they were fine. (2) I was not aware that you had previously denied that user's request, and my overturning of your decision was accidental, rather than on purpose. I apologize if it may have seemed like I had overturned a decision of yours, but I assure you that there were no bad intentions involved. See this discussion too. Thanks for your understanding. Acalamari 17:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I have no problem with it at all. I actually saw his 3rd request and figured I shouldn't be the one to handle it again because maybe I was being too hard on him. When I denied him he was at less than 100 edits in article space (I think it was around 50). Being that rollback is an admin type tool I usually like to see atleast 500 but there is no hard and fast rule I use. -Djsasso (talk) 18:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Each admin has their own standards, and I make an effort to respect them all. Even so, I should have been more careful, especially after coming back from a rest. Thanks for your calmness: it's appreciated. Best wishes. Acalamari 18:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Captain Roberto Luongo

Hiya Dj. I think I'm recovered from the Canucks annoucement (yesterday). Now, if only the NHL would let Luongo wear the 'C'. GoodDay (talk) 22:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, on the mask. Still though, it'll look better on the jersey. GoodDay (talk) 22:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Tom Fitzgerald / Lester Patrick Trophy

Hi Dj.

Would you happen to know anything about hockey player Tom Fitzgerald (ice hockey) and/or the Lester Patrick Trophy? Fitzgerald is said to be a receiver of the trophy as a player in 1978 - at which time he was only 10. Is there possibly another player with the same name? If so, he doesn't have an article here.

Cheers. LarRan (talk) 08:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It isn't the same fellow, obviously; the earlier Fitzgerald was an executive, as I recall.  RGTraynor  13:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know either, but what RG says sounds right. -Djsasso (talk) 14:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yankees cap logo image

You were a contibutor to the original consensus, so I thought you might be interested to know that I have asked for a deletion review on the image, including on the grounds you raised. SixFourThree (talk) 17:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree

Notice

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	Please accept this invite to join the Good Article Collaboration Center, a project aimed at improving articles to GA status while working with other users. We hope to see you there!

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Rollback request

5 weeks ago you denied my request for rollback because of less than 250 mainspace edits and not enough vandalism fighting. I have been conscientious in fighing vandalism in topics relating to China, politics, and the music I enjoy...all of which are frequent targets. Could you take another look at my request please? My old rejection is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Denied/September_2008#LedRush . - LedRush (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for granting the request. I will ensure that it is used only for blatant vandalism.LedRush (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

WHA page

Can we unprotect the WHA page now? It's been a week, and I was just about to edit the league's stat link ...  RGTraynor  15:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Was going to end automatically sometime this evening, but I have ended it early for you. -Djsasso (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly!  RGTraynor  16:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Confused about The_Red_Convertible

I see this was recreated a couple of minutes after you've deleted it, but the (new) initial version has {{original research}} tag from the get-go. VG ☎ 06:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

It was originally deleted because the author blanked the page. Let me see what is there now. -Djsasso (talk) 12:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Resolved

It was working fine until User:Hucz reverted my edit to Template:Ice hockey team roster. His justification, which seems dubious to me, was "Please refer to other team sports roster lists. The colour coded header is mandatory." --Flyer47 (talk) 00:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahh well that isn't the case, sorry I didn't realize that had happened. -Djsasso (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. My edit was reverted, so it should be working again. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 20:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

your citation on Quebec sovereigny movement

First of all, Quebec sovereignty's movement is not about having more autonomy for Quebec inside Canada, it is about separation with or without some form or partnership with the ROC so you it is wrong to state this in the article. Second, your citation is making no sense. Whats the link between Boisclair retiring and your claim that the sovereignty movement is about autonomy? Can you explain your view on this.65.94.167.135 (talk) 17:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

If you read the article you will see that a leader of one of the seperatist parties is saying they would be ok with just greater autonomy. -Djsasso (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I read it. But the thing is, Boisclair is no longer the leader of the parti Québécois, so he isn't a leader of a separatist party. Furthermore, when Boisclair stated this, this pretty much confirmed that he is no longer a sovereignist. Sovereignty is all about wanting Quebec to become a country. Simply wanting more autonomy is called autonomism, which is in the electoral platform of Mario Dumont's ADQ.65.94.167.135 (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't Boisclair who said it, it was Mario Dumont. The ADQ is considered by many to be a second seperatist party in Quebec. This topic has been debated on this page many times with consensus clearly coming on the side of having both sovereignty and greater autonomy listed. -Djsasso (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Well can you provide me a link to thoses debate pages with consensus because I have yet to see one. I also want to add that Dumont is not a separatist. He might have been in 1995, but since then, he clearly stated many times that sovereignty is not the best option for Quebec and that having more autonomy is better.65.94.167.135 (talk) 17:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Now maybe I am assuming incorrectly that you are the person that keeps removing that line of text, but the reverting of your removal of that section of text by a very large number of different people is pretty much the concensus you are looking for, there doesn't have to be an actual discussion for concensus to form. And as far as Dumont is concerned, that is exactly the point seperatists consider both options to be viable. He just prefers autonomy, but that doesn't mean he is against seperatism. -Djsasso (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

You just said and I quote you: "This topic has been debated on this page many times with consensus clearly coming on the side of having both sovereignty and greater autonomy listed." So that means that there is a page where the subject has been discussed, if not, then I think we should do it. Reverting information is not consensus if it is not discussed before. To get back on the subject, separatists by definition, want to separate from Canada, not just having more autonomy. Dumont is not a separatist. He might have been in 1995, but since then, he changed his mind and believe that separation is bad and prefers autonomy. I want you to look at this : http://www.adq.qc.ca/fileadmin/General/adq_fichiers_pdf/adq_program_e.pdf. Look at the part: affirmation without separation part. The present ADQ's program is autonomism, which is clearly NOT separatism. There is a distinction between the two of them. Now in the article, I believe that it should be mentionned that some separatist and even some federalist have flirted with both options because that is true. However, by definion, the separatism movement is about separation (with our without partnership with the rest of canada but that is another story).65.94.167.135 (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You!

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		For your assistance in keeping USS New Jersey (BB-62) vandal free while the article was up on the mainpage I herby award you The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar. Keep up the good work! TomStar81 (Talk) 00:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

New logo

Any chance we could implement the new logo? Thanks. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 01:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I was going to wait till tomorrow morning but no reason I can't make the change now. -Djsasso (talk) 02:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Cool man, thanks. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 02:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

You wouldn't happen to be…

… knowledgeable with Quebec City (or Ville de Québec if you prefer) would you? —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 21:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Well depends what you want to know. :) -Djsasso (talk) 21:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a few photographs from Quebec which I took during the World Championships. Now afterwards I'm kicking my self for not taking more photos, but I think I have at least one which I can give a try at becoming a featured picture. But I'm having trouble identifying the area, it's a panorama landscape photo and I don't know what the primary area in the picture is called. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 23:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

My roommate is from Quebec City, so if I don't know he probably would. Is it already uploaded if so I can just show him, if not you could email it to me. -Djsasso (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Not satisfied with processing yet so I haven't uploaded it here yet, but you can see a small version of it here. My best guess is that it is central Quebec in the foreground with Sillery and Sainte-Foy in the background. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 00:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he says its Sainte-Foy but beyond that he had a hard time explaining. I guess they name things differently in Quebec than they do out here in english canada so he had a hard time explaining.-Djsasso (talk) 00:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: League standings

Thanks for the tip, but I don't know if he's active anymore; his talk page hasn't been used for a few months. After doing for almost week now, I think I have figured out that each division only has to be updated once per day and then I copy and paste those lines into the Conference standings, so it's really not too much. I'm usually up until midnight (EST), and that's plenty of time to get the East games updated, though some West games are a little late. It seems like days like today (13 games) are pretty rare, so I should be alright, but I'll keep the suggestion in mind if my time gets limited. Thanks! Blackngold29 18:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

2008-09 Bowling Green Falcons men's ice hockey season

Hey Djsasso. I recently posted a comment at the 2008-09 Bowling Green Falcons men's ice hockey season talk page. Any input would be much appreciated.

Also, when you get a chance, do you think you could review my proposal at the WikiProject Ice Hockey userbox talk page? Thanks. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 08:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hockeymann2399

I see you blocked the user above. I noticed that he claimed here that it was his page. Is there a possibility of a COI here? (he might be a relative or even the subject of the article?) Thanks! Jock Boy (t/c) Sign 17:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Since you raise the bit on my talk page, my own take is that this is a WP:OWN issue. The editor certainly speaks of Burridge in the third person and hasn't asserted (not that it ought to be a factor in any event) that he's a relative of Burridge's. Odds are that he's a Buffalo Sabre homer, given that every single Wikipedia edit he's made has concerned former Sabre players. Even with the Burridge article, Hockeymann's edits of July greatly overemphasized Burridge's time in Buffalo, which took place only at the very end of his career.  RGTraynor  22:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: 3RR

Hiya. Nope, I wont fall into edit warring, as I said on MLB talk page, I agree to use the word "American" to refer to the United States citizens in English, what I see in the top US-Canada leagues however, is the omission of the other top-leagues in the rest of North America what disturbs me. JC (talk) 20:47, 6 November 2008 (PST)

Template:Infobox NHLretired

Hey. So Beast from da East has continued to re-create the Template:Infobox NHLretired, desipte your changing it to a redirect page and my twice changing it to a redirect page. I don't want to step near 3RR with this one, but this user just seems to be ignoring the consensus gathered at the WP:HOCKEY talk page. Any thoughts on what to do with this situation? Thanks. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 05:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Look, I'm willing to bring this issue to Templates for Deletion or Wikiproject Ice Hockey once more, this infobox has everything the current one has and more (except the flag, which can be added), it gives the years that the player played for the team, the # they were picked in the draft, the jersey #'s and that players stats. Now I think that the current infobox for the active players in fine, but this one should be kept for the retired players, just as the MLB, NFL and NBA players have, I mean its not hard at all to change infoboxes and there are no bright colors to distract people and above all else the stats will not be edited on a regular basis because the player is retired! Beast from da East (talk) 03:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

There already was a tfd which merged the retired infobox into the active infobox so technically this has already passed tfd. -Djsasso (talk) 18:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Rollback for Huggle

I still fail to understand. I have noticed on multiple occasions that people with both less edits and lest time editing have been granted rollback, but I haven't. One person only started a few weeks ago and only had something like 100 edits. Ok I too started maybe 2 weeks ago, but I have nearly 500 edits, and good quality ones at that.

Maybe its just me being grumpy about not being allowed rollback, but you have to admit it does seem strange that some people that have less experience are still awarded rights when others who have more experience are not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirachinmoku (talk • contribs)

Rollback is granted by admins on an individual basis. We use our own standards to determine if we are to give them or not. There are no set guidelines which means some people are more lenient than others. Personally I don't grant them till a user has been around for a significant amount of time (no set amount but a month is usually good) and has atleast 500 edits with a large percentage of which being reverts. -Djsasso (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Diacritics

Link to that consensus? RandySavageFTW (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HOCKEY#Wikiproject_notice It is an area that used to generate alot of edit wars so we came to this compromise, I am actually on the side that all pages should have them, but I respect the consensus because it stops alot of really heated wars that used to spark up, if you want more infomation just look in the index of the project talk page for more infomation there have been alot of discussions about it. -Djsasso (talk) 15:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

In a Grouchy Smurf style: I hate Diacritics, but I hate edit wars more. Long live the compromise. GoodDay (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I would also add that WP:ENGVAR applies, as North American English routinely dismisses diacritics. Resolute 21:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Removal of expatriate baseball player categories

I don't think the removal of these categories as you're doing it is appropriate. These categories are meant for all players who have ever played in Japan, not just those who are playing there currently. I may be wrong, but that is how I've always seen them used. Note, for instance, that there are similar categories on the pages of Cecil Fielder and Frank Howard, among others. -Dewelar (talk) 02:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Alot of people use them incorrectly in such a manner, however just read the wording of the categories for example "Canadian baseball expatriates in Japan". Or read the definition of expatriate. An expatriate is someone who is temporarily or permanently living in another country. If they no longer live in that country they can't be A> an expatriate & B> they aren't in the country anymore. Hence why a cleanup is being done. -Djsasso (talk) 02:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is the definition "An expatriate is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country and culture other than that of the person's upbringing or legal residence." Which means if they are no longer living there they are no longer an expatriate, and it definitely means they can't be an expatriate in more than one country at once. The type of category you would be wanting would be "Canadians who have lived in Japan" or the like. -Djsasso (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

First of all, I would appreciate it if you would not be so condescending. I'm not trying to argue that the description of the category is accurate. I didn't create these categories. I am only presenting their current usage. If you wish to ignore usage, then you have several hundred pages to fix. Otherwise, you should consider bringing this up as a CfD. -Dewelar (talk) 03:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I was just explaining why I was doing what I was doing. I am sorry if I came off harsh, but you started reverting without waiting for an explanation. I did realize that the categories were being often used that way, and I do appreciate your notice. I do figure there will be hundreds of pages to correct. The problem with a Cfd is that a number of the articles are in correct categories as some of these people are expats in the respected country they are listed in, and a Cfd will just move all or none of the articles. -Djsasso (talk) 03:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Considering you were removing them without any explanation, hopefully you can understand that I'd react by thinking "why the &^%$ is this user doing this?" Also, if there is a dispute, usually the best way of handling it is to leave the article in its previous form until it is resolved, which is what I was doing. I still consider it inapproprate unless and until a replacement category is created to catch these pages. These categories are a useful piece of information, but yes, they do need either a renaming or a splitting into "Expatriate" and "Former expatriate". Which of these do you suggest? -Dewelar (talk) 03:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I felt my edit summary was explanation enough so it wasn't with no explanation atleast IMHO. To be honest I don't think listing where someone used to live as being useful since a category is supposed to be defining of its subject. That being said I have no problem splitting them or renaming them. Splitting is what I was in the process of doing but a full out rename and then recreation and repopulation of expat categories might be faster. -Djsasso (talk) 03:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

As I understand it, the categories aren't meant to catch where they used to live. They're meant to catch where they used to play. -Dewelar (talk) 03:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was using the two words interchangeably because if they played there I assume the lived there. But you get my point I am sure. -Djsasso (talk)

"Lived" is a slippery term here, because most likely at least lived in Japan during the season and in Canada (or wherever) the rest of the year. Also, up until now, you've been using "lived" exclusively. I just wanted to make sure we were both understanding. Also, the category was already moved once, away from Category:Non-Japanese baseball players in Japan (see this), so this may be harder than we expect. In any case, I still would posit that having a category that catches players not from Japan who have played there at some point, past or present, is useful. -Dewelar (talk) 03:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I've brought this up over at the baseball project talk page, so maybe we can get some other users' input. -Dewelar (talk) 03:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. -Djsasso (talk) 03:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Henderson

Congratulations - you have now gained recognition for your work here by an outside organization :-). ShoesssS ^Talk 15:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, how does it feel to be a hall of fame calibre internet nazi? Rarified air, lemme tell ya.  ;) Resolute 15:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha, thanks. I never looked at it that way lol. Apparently poker fans are alot more rabid than hockey fans. -Djsasso (talk) 15:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely loved how they changed the poker player notability guidelines to "Being Zach Henderson". —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 15:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Meh, still a ways from fan(boy)s of Pokemon and obscure MMORPGs; they're the worst. MuZemike (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate the work you and thousands of others do for Wikipedia, I spend far too much time here :). Is there any way to contact you privately? I'll continue to check this page, or you can contact me at the email I provided when I signed up, if it's somehow accessible to you (the editing/discussion portion of this site is quite confusing/overwhelming to a first-time user). Zach6668 (talk) 16:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

You can click on the E-mail this user link on the left side of the page under toolbox. -Djsasso (talk) 16:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

It's entirely possible that I'm simply retarded, but I do not see that link anywhere on this page, or your main user page. Zach6668 (talk) 16:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Here just click this link Special:EmailUser/Djsasso -Djsasso (talk) 16:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry guys, sometimes I get cranky when I am off my meds. This is a valid article and I will do everything I can to keep it from being deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDjsasso (talk • contribs)

And you are now blocked for being disruptive. -Djsasso (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

IP has also been blocked for disruption: [3]. I think 12 hours, however, is a bullshit block; this user is clearly going to engage in the same disruption as before (unless it starts to engage in block evasion via socking, of course). MuZemike (talk) 18:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I have now spoken to all kinds of people regarding this issue, even the subject himself who understands if it has to be removed. I understand peoples desire to keep him on, but I don't know how many times I have to repeat that there needs to be reliable published sources for him to have a page. I have even had a reputable (I assume) radio host privately contact me to act as a reference. But unfortunately it comes down to a lack of reliable published sources. -Djsasso (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

That's right - just jump ahead of me on your posts :-). ShoesssS ^Talk 00:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha yeah I edit conflicted. -Djsasso (talk) 00:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

You had an 'attack page'? I'm envious. :-) Alaney2k (talk) 14:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Yup I certainly did, was kind of funny too. Was debating about copying the info to a page in my userspace for posterity haha. -Djsasso (talk) 14:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Original Barnstar
		For your part in addressing the horrendous copyright issues at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 December 2. Your work there is very much appreciated. :) Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

After the hours it took me to locate them, I was completely dreading the clean-up. Truly, I am so grateful for your help! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries, glad I could be of help. I used to wonder if they were copied and I should have checked. -Djsasso (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

AWB

If you can do that, that would be great. :) vıdıoman 02:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Give me a couple seconds and I will do it, haha, have to fine the page to list you on again. -Djsasso (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I got it to list the articles linking to the page, how do I get it to anything from here? :P vıdıoman 02:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

If you notice right next to that list there is a box you can enable with find and replace, in there you will put [[Thunder Bay, Ontario]] and replace with [[Thunder Bay]], [[Ontario]]. Then switch over to the start tab, enter an edit summary and hit start and it will step you through replacing it on each page. Just make sure you aren't changing something you shouldn't. -Djsasso (talk) 02:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It's working now, thanks. :) vıdıoman 02:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Harper and Canada are in trouble

Because of all of you english canadians who are doing Quebec bashing, Quebec is gonna separate from that country that is falling down. Thank your prime minister Harper for being such an asshole that even the hardcore anti-Quebec liberals are aligned with the Bloc. To make matters worse, YOUR QUEEN'S representant, the unelected GG is the one who has to solve all of this. Maybe after separation is done you would stop refering Quebecers as Canadians on wikipedia.

I actually support the NDP/Liberal coalition side. So umm whats your point? Separation is never going to happen, twice its been shot down and even the provincial separatist party is getting hammered lately. As a younger generation grows up who cares less about the "old ways" the less likely separation is going to be. -Djsasso (talk) 02:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

old ways? No way, the old persons are the ones who vote for federalism and younger people votes for sovereignty so it is just a matter of time until we win, especially if Harper continues to promote Quebec bashing!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.169.138 (talk) 15:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

You need to read up a little on the statistics then, younger people haven't been voting in increasing numbers. Also the demographics of the people who voted yes in the last referendum were mostly older people. It was the young people who saved quebec from separating. Its funny how you argue these issues yet know nothing about them. -Djsasso (talk) 15:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

There is also the comical belief that bashing the separatists is equivalent to bashing Quebec. The two are not synonyms. Resolute 16:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Dude, your talk page is on FIRE this week! Resolute 02:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah this is the guy that was going around for months trying to remove every reference to canada from any article of someone from quebec. Thought he might have finally got tired of it after her was constantly reverted by a huge number of editors...but apparently not. -Djsasso (talk) 02:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I wish my trolls were this entertaining. ;o) Resolute 02:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I think they all might have just waited while I was away for the month and then exploded when I got back. haha -Djsasso (talk) 02:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Quebec seperate from Canada?? Ha ha ha. Why do the seperatist automatically think Quebec itself is undivisiable? I like Rick Mercer's solution: Quebec breaks away, the rest of Canada joins them. We become a large country called Quebec, then we change are name 'back to' Canada. GoodDay (talk) 01:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

When I was in Québec (lovely city btw), the independence, which was imminent, was the only thing the cab drivers could talk about. After three weeks there I knew more about your politics, our at least the cab drivers views of it, then what I'd learned during my whole life about Swedish politics! —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 13:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, thats probably the biggest topic in our politics for the past 30 years. It's gotten so ridiculous its mostly become a joke now since the hardliners don't realize when to quit. -Djsasso (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Vancouver Canucks: Honored Members

I made a factual edit on information listed on the page that is inaccurate and misleading. This involves the Wiki inclusion of former NHL Players Andy Bathgate, Johnny Bower, Tony Esposito, Allan Stanley and Gump Worsley. Since the entire Wiki topic involves the NHL Vancouver Canucks, the reader will be mislead into believing these players were once members of the NHL Canucks which they were not. In fact, they were once members of the old Vancouver Canucks of the WHL which was never associated to the current day Canucks. At the time, the above players were property of the Pittsburgh Penguins, Toronto Maple Leaf, Chicago Black Hawks and New York Rangers and were on loan to the WHL Canucks. Unless the Wiki entry is updated in depth to include the WHL Vancouver Canucks, then there should not be any reason to include this piece of information on this page.

In addition, I had updated the statistics on this page but you had deleted it citing statistics mid-season when in fact the statistics now shown for Daniel and Henrik Sedin ARE mid-season statistics up until November 26, 2008. I'm confused by your reasoning. KeroDoe 18:28 05 December, 2008

Well the stats was my mistake, I will correct that. However, if you read the article you will find out that the two Vancouver teams were the same team, the team moved all assets from the WHL to the NHL. Many people do not realize it was still the same team, however, they were which is why the founding date of the team is 1945. -Djsasso (talk) 02:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if a note on the Honoured List would help. A WHL-Canucks note, for those players. GoodDay (talk) 02:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

It's mentioned in numerous places on the page, in the team name section, and in the history section, and in the founding date. I think its pretty clear that the team's origins go back to 1945. -Djsasso (talk) 02:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it is not the same team. The official starting date for the NHL Vancouver Canucks is 1970/71 Season. Tom Scallen of Medicor was granted an expansion team and paid the fee. However, since the WHL Vancouver Canucks had exclusive rights for professional hockey in Vancouver and playing rights in the Pacific Coliseum, Scallen purchased the team for purposes of obtaining those rights and promptly folded the team. Some players who had been under contract by the WHL Canucks had their contracts nullified. Some were signed by the NHL Canucks, others such as Andy Bathgate and Rene Robert were reverted back to their original NHL teams. Technically and legally, the WHL Canucks and NHL Canucks are not the same team. KeroDoe (talk)18:38 05 December, 2008 (UTC)

This has actually been debated many times by many people so I won't get into it very much, but the Canucks themselves claim the history of the other teams and state their founding date as 1945. The fact that they moved a number of the players over goes to show that it was a continuation of the team. Yes, they did let a number of players go, but they kept a large number, kept the same management, kept the same personnel etc etc. -Djsasso (talk) 02:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd still recommend a WHL note, next to their names. GoodDay (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the easy solution, I think, is to move the WHL hall of famers to Vancouver Canucks (WHL), and place a note on the Vancouver Canucks article stating that it lists NHL hall of famers, and to look at the other article for pre-1970 players who made the Hall of Fame. As far as the stats go, they should be reverted back to their totals prior to the start of the season. Resolute 15:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

IMHO, the Vancouver Canucks founding date, should be moved back to 1970. As that's the founding year for the NHL version. GoodDay (talk) 17:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Would you then move Montreal Canadiens to 1917 then as well? Or the four WHA teams to 1979? Resolute 17:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Somehow, I knew that question would come up. A question I dreaded, as I've no response to it. GoodDay (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The response is that you are either consistent with the approach or not. The four WHA organizations and the Montreal Canadiens organization were not founded when the teams joined the NHL, period. If you date one from when the NHL franchise was granted, you date them all. That being said, the way this is handled in other sports is the way we currently do it. The Cleveland Browns article dates from 1946, when the original AAFC team was founded. All the American Football League team articles (the Patriots, Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos etc) date from 1959, when the AFL was founded. The Cincinnati Reds article dates from 1882 and the original American Association, eight years before the founding of the National League, as do the Pittsburgh Pirates, Los Angeles Dodgers and St. Louis Cardinals articles. The Detroit Pistons article dates from 1941, when the original Fort Wayne Zollner Pistons started in the National Basketball League. Etc, etc, etc.  RGTraynor  05:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I would have no problem with doing that Resolute. -Djsasso (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Me neither. GoodDay (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics quarrel

Hi there.

Me and Gene Nygaard are having a dispute over the use of diacritics in the Marián Cisár page. The discussion can be followed on the talkpage.

Could you and RGTraynor help us out before things get ugly?

Thanks.

LarRan (talk) 21:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Gene's behaviour motivates a 24h block (to start with), to show him that wikipedia is not his personal space. His edits are disruptive, and one cannot help but wondering how old he really is. He's not exactly behaving like a grown-up person. We can't keep "shadowing" him on all his edits forever. Maybe that's just what he's trying to do: getting us tired of doing that. LarRan (talk) 21:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I am watching him, if he does keep editing disruptively he will be blocked. He has a past of incivility and wp:point editing. So I have no problem with blocking him again. It would probably end up being more than a 24 hour block though because he has been blocked before. Which is why I am waiting to see if he continues. I want enough evidence of him edit warring and being disruptive. -Djsasso (talk) 12:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I would note that the consensus on diacritics does not extend past hockey articles so be careful about your reverting other articles because wikipedia in general can't seem to decide if they should stay or go, its about a 50-50 situation at the moment, the hockey project is one of the few places where any kind of agreement happened. -Djsasso (talk) 13:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

"Recent changes" tool

Hello.

By chance I came across what I suspect is a bug in the wiki software. I clicked on "Related changes" for the article on the 2000 NHL Entry Draft. You always find an amazing amount of vandalism when you do that, and this time was no exception. Among other edits I found one made on the article on Finland on Dec 9 at 01:49. I didn't find a revert in the list, so I thought I'd revert it myself. When I checked the article, it was ok, which puzzled me. Then, when I checked the history of the article, I realized that the revert had been done the same minute as the vandalism (by ClueBot). This means that two (or more) edits made the same minute do not appear in the list, only the first one does. That must be a bug in the "Recent changes" tool, right? Where is that to be reported?

LarRan (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You must click show bots in the options. Cheers. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 20:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Ovie

What do you think of this? Hehe haha. Grsz¹¹ 19:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, I better get voting for my Canadiens players. That's rediculous, the players will obviously play on a line together. The starting 5 is just a honorary thing. -Djsasso (talk)

That being said, soon as this hits the montreal/quebec media it will blow him outta the water cause they will go nuts. -Djsasso (talk) 20:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I'd vote Crosby Malkin BLAKE, that'd be even more painful. Grsz¹¹ 20:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha I just voted all 5 for canadiens. -Djsasso (talk) 20:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

As long as Gretzky isn't on the ice or behind a bench, at All-Star weekend; I'm content. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

HC Slovan Ústečtí Lvi'

Hello. You have made a mistake - it should be HC Slovan Ústečtí Lvi, not HC Slovan Ústečtí Lvi' (you have added a bonus symbol at the end. --VoletyVole (talk) 18:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Whoops I didn't even notice. -Djsasso (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

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Archiving

Thanks Dj. By the way, I've been watching my 1974 Canada (WHA)-USSR summit series & discovered, Canada team captain was Pat Stapleton. I previously thought they had no captain, like the '72 Team Canada (NHL) team. GoodDay (talk) 14:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Cool, you should throw that on his page. -Djsasso (talk) 14:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It has been applied. GoodDay (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot [4]. I was in a hurry when I read the page and didn't have the time to do it myself at that moment, great that you took care of it! JdeJ (talk) 19:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

thanks!!

Thanks for blocking user KHLorbust. He was really giving me a headache with his 100 minor edits I had to comb through to fix all the things he would change, not to mention the vandalism...thanks! :0)--Lvivske (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem, some of it seemed good faith. But when I removed some stuff he suddenly started blatantly vandalizing so I couldn't let it go anymore. -Djsasso (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Calgary Flames players

Howabout I put a captains list on that article? GoodDay (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Rosters and city names

I was told you would point me in the right direction... User_talk:Ccwaters#Template:_Vancouver_Canucks_roster ccwaters (talk) 19:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics on NHL rosters

Just wanted to say, protestation on that topic, by Alaney2k & Ccwaters are shared by me. However, I'm not going to push it. GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I know, I know. But if you follow the link Nurmsock posted. Its not up to the project its an wiki-wide policy and is something that is an english language rule. -Djsasso (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT

Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. When the bot flag is set it will show up in this log. PS: I'm trying to get Tiny Thompson @ Simple to VGA status (like FA here). One of the criteria requires no redlinks—can you help fill out the 25+ of them? Thanks! Maxim_(talk) 01:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I can help with that. Been slowly but surely working on all the seasons over there so we can do the same with the trophy articles. I will take a look at Tiny after xmas. Thanks for the bot approval. Figured I would start small with something like IW to get used to it. I'm a programmer so it shouldn't be too hard to do but never worked in python before. -Djsasso (talk) 17:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

Just letting you know, you're at AN/I. Regards, — neuro^(talk) 21:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople)

I'll be offline for a few days... good luck with this debate. Resolute 20:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I won't be around much. I am amused they took me to ANI, when its quite clear they didn't notify the involved projects, tried to speed up the process to make sure we didn't notice it, and timed it during Christmas so that those involved in the previous discussions that were against him were less likely to show up. Yet they had the audacity to say I canvased when its clear they in a round about way tried to make sure those who opposed them would not notice the debate. -Djsasso (talk) 17:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Category:Expatriates

How s it going? People listed under this category are both current and previous expats. (Just as any retired Calgary Flames player is [still] listed under Category:Calgary Flames players) Mayumashu (talk) 04:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Except that is not what an expatriate is, in order to be an expatriate you have to still be living in that country. What you are looking for is a category of "People who have lived in". Because the Category Expatriates is NOT supposed to be current and previous. -Djsasso (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

?? Ask some other people. With this way of thinking, all deceased people should be removed from all occupation category pages. Just as Category:Calgary Flames players = people who have (ever) played for the Calgary Flames, Category:Expatriates in Germany = people who have (ever) been expatriate in Germany. Dead or alive, there or no longer there. Mayumashu (talk) 05:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Notice the word in in the category name, it would indicate they are still in that country. If they are no longer in that country they would need to be in a category indicating "who have been in". Players are different, as someone who has stopped playing is still a player, someoen who has stopped living in a country has stopped being an expatriate. You either need to rename the categories or stop adding them to incorrect pages. -Djsasso (talk) 13:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)