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NHL stats leadersEdit

Wee problem at List of NHL statistical leaders article, with IP. GoodDay (talk) 01:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

It's a mobile IP, so it's possible it doesn't realise its edits are being reverted or that it's being contacted. GoodDay (talk) 01:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

BTW - The IP claims that stats on the article, haven't been updated since 2018. Can anyone here, confirm this? GoodDay (talk) 15:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Bob CrawfordEdit

I noticed that the hockey player article at Bob Crawford has been moved three times today. Please see page history This seems like unnecessary disambiguation, and could likely be moved back. Any other thoughts? Flibirigit (talk) 23:27, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Completely unnecessary moves and the page should be moved back. However, it is always best to ask the editor who made the moves. In addition, there are many pages affected by the change as can be seen at the editor's contribution log. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I have asked the question at User_talk:Sol1#Bob_Crawford_(ice_hockey). Waiting now. Flibirigit (talk) 03:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I have undone the move. It was not necessary, the player he appears to be disambiguating for is highly unlikely to be notable so it definitely doesn't need the year. There is an argument to be made about need for (ice hockey) depending on if you think it is the primary topic or not. If it is the primary topic then WP:ONEOTHER would apply and it should remain at the undisambiguated name. If it doesn't it should go to (ice hockey) with the undisambiguated pointing to the disambiguation page. I have reverted to the original so a discussion could be had. -DJSasso (talk) 12:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Players born in USA to a Canadian motherEdit

Based on what I've been able to dig up on Canadian citizenship law, the offspring of a mother with Canadian citizenship automatically receives Canadian citizenship. [1]

Has any kind of discussion and consensus ever been reached on this subject? For example, players such as Matthew and Brady Tkachuk were born in the US but their mother was born and raised in Winnipeg, so that should be enough to establish their dual citizenship, should it not? SolarFlashLet's talk about it 02:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Should reliable sources be discovered stating that they've asserted Canadian citizenship, that's certainly appropriate to add to their articles. Ravenswing 03:24, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • If Canadian citizenship is bestowed upon them automatically at birth, would they need to assert it? They'd have dual citizenship automatically. And can the law itself be viewed as a reliable source? SolarFlashLet's talk about it 03:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Citizenship in general on Wikipedia can be hotly contested. Sources are always required. Flibirigit (talk) 03:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

GMHL againEdit

I am again inviting User:Fridayhockey12 to please discuss their concerns with the content of the Greater Metro Junior A Hockey League (following from their non-responsiveness on their talk page and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive74#GMHL). Additionally, if any other editors would like to review the concerns raised by the editor in question, it would be appreciated. Thank you, Yosemiter (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Your edits are valid. I will watch it again. If he gets to edit warring again I will block. -DJSasso (talk) 18:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Agree with Djsasso, the edits are valid to point out the unsanctioned status. The user's lone cite is the GMHL's marketing page which would not qualify as an independent 3rd party source, and has several factual inaccuracies beyond just the sanctioning section.Bhockey10 (talk) 19:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I do think my favorite part of their "sanctioning" page is The governing body which sanctions the GMHL Rule Book, Policies & Procedures is the same governing body which sanctions all of Junior Hockey in Canada followed just two sections later by The GMHL is not apart [sic] of Hockey Canada. Way to be misleading, the rules may be the same/similar, but policies and procedures are certainly different (imports and overagers). It seems to them, junior hockey sanctioning is only the fact they have insurance, which, as far as I am aware, is required by any organized sporting event (typically required to use facilities or by a an organization for liability purposes). Yosemiter (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
If I recall, their policies and rule book were adapted by themselves from the NCAA rule book, not by or from any Canadian source. Honestly though, the GMHL says a lot of things - not all seem to add up. DMighton (talk) 03:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if they're playing rules are modded NCAA or not, but if so that might be new, up until a couple years ago fighting was allowed completely different fighting rules than NCAA. Also some teams used their GMHL team as a farm club for their FHL teams (playing pro even in the FHL would have NCAA eligibility issues). Their marketing page mentions that playing in the G doesn't impact NCAA eligibility but the GMHL also extends an extra year for overage Jr. players. Playing past 21 does cut into college eligibility. To the question posed, I do think Yosemiter (talk · contribs) edits were worthy of inclusion into the article to define the differences between the GMHL and sanctioned Hockey Canada Jr. Leagues.--Bhockey10 (talk) 04:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
The NCAA thing was a claim they made in their early seasons... but they always turned a blind eye to the fighting. TBH, there are a lot of things the teams do that could violate NCAA amateur status... the FHL thing is one... but not all the kids pay the same amount, some don't even pay. DMighton (talk) 06:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Ken Dryden, award and honousEdit

What is the preferred way to list awards and honours? If anyone has time to clean up Ken Dryden, it would be appreciated. Flibirigit (talk) 19:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Bob Murdoch (ice hockey, born 1946)Edit

Bob Murdoch (ice hockey, born 1946) might have an incorrect birth date. Hockey-reference says 1946, Hockeydb says 1947. Does anyone have other sources? Flibirigit (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

SIHR has November 20, 1946. So does NHL. I think you can e-mail hockeydb to correct them. Alaney2k (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Major milestonesEdit

The major milestones section of NHL season articles, are too long. We should be setting a inclusion criteria for them. 500 goals, 1,000 points, 1,000 games seems reasonable, for example. GoodDay (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I wrote at Talk:2019–20 NHL season after seeing you fix the WP:NCIH issues. But since probably nobody will discuss there, I assume it is best to keep the discussion here. The NHL recognizes these milestones] – "400 goals, 600 assists, 1,000 points and 1,000 games (skaters); 500 games and 40 shutouts (goaltenders); and 750 games (head coaches)". I think we should go by what the NHL uses. Here are the links to the 2017–18 and 2019–20 seasons. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I recommend raising the bar. The goaltenders criteria can be upped to at least 50 shutouts, at least 500 games played & skaters to at least 500 goals, at least 1,000 pts, at least 1,000 games played for examples. 750 games for coaches suffices. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with GoodDay. What the NHL likes for publicity purposes and what's best for our articles (keeping WP:UNDUE in mind) are two different things. Ravenswing 21:16, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Well yes, I initially intended to propose that we raise the bar and would not have any objection regarding it. On a different note, what should be done when a player reaches two milestones in one game (for example, 500th goal and 200th assist)? Should we leave as it is or remove the statistic that does not meet the criteria? – Sabbatino (talk) 11:46, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
200th assist isn't a major milestone, so would leave that out. GoodDay (talk) 14:41, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

I honestly don't disagree with the basic premise of the proposal, but some of the numbers being used as the cutoff seem a bit too high. If the goals standard is lowered to even 300 you're still only looking at just over 200 players all-time; assists at 500, less than 150 players; points at 750 just over 200 players. I don't disagree with the 1,000 games played for skaters as that one does appear to be reasonable.

If the goaltender games played was lowered to 400 games, even Ken Dryden would not be over this threshold, at 300 games you're looking at 160 players; as for shutouts just getting to 25 in a career puts you in the top 100, getting to 30, top 70. Even at these relative numbers it would still clear out most of these sections. Deadman137 (talk) 22:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

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