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A barnstar for you!

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	For your 150+ DYK articles and numerous GAs. Good luck on your FAC. :) HurricaneFan25 — 15:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot! Fingers crossed... Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Nicholas

On the Bob Nicholas nomination, the nominator has not edited since December 14 and the hook is dull like another editor said. I reviewed the article and it is fine, but I posted a new hook suggestion because of the uninteresting hook. I was wondering if you could take a look. SL93 (talk) 21:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wilopo

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		So we have this barnstar laying around, gathering dust; and I feel as though none of the editors that put pen to paper every week to produce the much-demanded Signpost has been properly compensated for their efforts. You deserve this :) ResMar 05:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

PS: If I left someone out by accident, feel free to give one to them, too. ResMar 05:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh my! You seem to have gotten a lot of accolades lately ;) ResMar 05:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

• Yeah, a couple. Thanks a lot! Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wongsonegoro

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wirjono Prodjodikoro

Hello! Your submission of Wirjono Prodjodikoro at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Eisfbnore ^talk 20:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Khalifah (film)

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Your GA nomination of Melly Goeslaw

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Crime victims by nationality

Please note that the subcategories of Category:Crime victims by nationality are up for renaming again. Given that you participated in the previous discussion, you may be interested in participating in this on, too. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Moeljatno

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Madonna's perfume

In my mind, this rationale is mostly good: it's a rationale for using the design of the bottle in the way that one would use a logo (or the way one would use an album cover, book cover, etc.) — the non-free copyrighted image is used as the primary method of identification. The problem that leads me to tag it for replaceability is that this bottle's design is so simple that someone could take a picture and legitimately release the picture into the public domain or under a free license. If the bottle had a complex enough pictured design that it couldn't be treated as some form of {{PD-ineligible}}, then this would be a 100% valid tag. Nyttend (talk) 01:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

That's precisely what I mean — it's treated as a method of identification because of the gold etching. If it were complicated enough that it didn't qualify for PD-ineligible, then this would be a good rationale; as it is, the only reason it's a bad rationale is that it's simple enough to be photographed freely. The only problem with the current image is that the photographer's own rights aren't freely licensed or PD; if you're correct and the uploader adds a self-taken photo with a free license, everything will be great. Images tagged as replaceable get deleted after about two days, so it should be resolved quite soon. Nyttend (talk) 02:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh. I completely overlooked the fact that it's not yet been released. In that case, it's really not replaceable until April, so I've removed my own RFU tag. I now have no reason to believe that the image should be deleted at the present time. Nyttend (talk) 02:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

No, because the primary purpose of having a mascot is not to display a logo. One doesn't really use a mascot image to identify a team in the same way one uses a logo. Clothing really isn't an issue, anyway; Foundation's counsel some time back offered a legal opinion that we need not worry about costumes in a photo when we consider whether that photo is non-free. Nyttend (talk) 02:13, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Cosplay? Nyttend (talk) 02:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I've never heard the term before; I thought you'd made a typo. I can't offer a solid opinion, since I've never heard of it before. Nyttend (talk) 02:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good; I'll do the same. I'm in process of constructing a set of lists on my hard drive; you won't see them in my contributions, because I'll not put them online until they're as close to done as I can make them. Nyttend (talk) 02:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wirjono Prodjodikoro

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Tourism in Laos

That article has been around since 2005. There should be some pre-copyvio version to revert to. Rmhermen (talk) 12:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

• Never said it needed to be deleted. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Don't think I said you did. I was talking about reverting to before the copyvio material was added, instead of templating a page.

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GA review of Saman

Hi,

I have completed the review of Saman at Talk:Saman (novel)/GA1. Please check for any copy editing errors I may have made. Very interesting article that opened up the world of Indonesian fiction to me. Best, MathewTownsend (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

p.s. I started a stub from the red link Sastra wangi. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

• I added some remaining problems at Talk:Saman (novel)/GA1. MathewTownsend (talk) 15:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

• Take your time. What you added looks good. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• I think you fixed the problem for the most part. I've commented on two remaining issues at Talk:Saman (novel)/GA1. Best, MathewTownsend (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• I fell very bad that I can't express to you what the article needs. Would you mind if I changes some things to how I think it should be, and you can veto my changes? It this point I a pretty familiar with most of the material. Regards, MathewTownsend (talk) 00:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• I'm going to pass Saman. I changed it a little but feel free to change it back. I tried to explain things a little more, like was was meant by "supernatural" but etc. but I'm too tired! Anyway, it's a very interesting article. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 17:44, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

1740 Batavia massacre

A massacre that led to a major war is generally something WP:Milhist is interested in ... Do you have any objection if I tag the article for Milhist? Up to you. - Dank (push to talk) 04:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• Go for it. I figured it was under WP:DEATH as the MILHIST page says that they "don't do massacres" (might be paraphrasing a little...) Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
  • That's true, but we do causes and consequences of war, and this led to a war. Thanks ... it may take me a little while to get to the copyediting but I'll get there. - Dank (push to talk) 05:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
    • I thank thee. Okay, it's tagged as MilHist as well. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
      • At the moment, I don't believe copyediting is going to deal with Brian's concerns, but I'll keep an eye on the FAC page and see if something new develops. - Dank (push to talk) 02:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
• Hi, I'd suggest that you leave Taksen to it, and we clean up afterwards. For example, if you suspect a certain source may not be reliable, leave it in but raise a query at WP:RS/N. Your caution may be prudent, but he seems a little sensitive, or maybe it's a language barrier issue. I'd like to keep him on side and I think we might need to cut Taksen some breathing space. I have every confidence that we can have a better article with his help. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 17:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• Okay OhC. Good idea. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sahardjo

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ucu Agustin

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Khalifah (film)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Started work on rewriting Emaciation

I'm just going to redo it in my sandbox and paste the whole thing over the current article when I get done. Might take me a few weeks, though. I'm gonna try for a 5x DYK. Rcej (Robert) – talk 09:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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DYK of Ravinder Singh (author)

Hello, Thanks for reviewing. Help me out with the hook. Should I unlink those 2 words ?? -- ɑηsuмaη ^{ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ} 02:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Did my best, removed two unreferenced line, and added reference. Should be okay now. Please let me know. Thanks for the ALT. -- ɑηsuмaη ^{ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ} 18:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Soeprapto (prosecutor)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Titi Sjuman

The DYK project (nominate) 12:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Amir Hamzah

The DYK project (nominate) 20:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Boats

Template:WikiProject Boats has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Brad (talk) 23:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/SONY A700

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DYK for Lawang Sewu

Orlady (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sri Mulyani

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DYK for Lawang Sewu: Dendam Kuntilanak

Orlady (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I noticed only now, that you were not happy with the wording. Defending my suggestion (it was not more than that, then someone took it): The repeated name is the very name in both articles (I try to stay close if at all possible), is short (enough), can take double emphasis as a foreign name, and needed pictured to be added, which would have been cumbersome within the quote which was complicated enough because of the quote within the quote. Happy New Year! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Fair enough (and no hard feelings, don't worry). I personally do my best to avoid using too many foreign language names in the hooks... they tend to not do very well, methinks. Happy new year to you too! (Only 3 hours left here). Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Plenty of foreign names in my latest personal memories, but also pictures, if you are interested, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Perhaps, and I have numerous myself, despite an effort to do occasional hooks that aren't related to Indonesia. Now, if the person's name is Martha Christina Tiahahu (not a bad article btw), that's generally not a big problem. But with a name like Moeljatno... only a Dutch speaker (German too?) or someone familiar with old Indonesian speaker would know how to pronounce it; English doesn't have the oe = U or j = y. Those sorts of articles... not easy. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Rejection of Special date request

In regards to this recent edit of yours, an existing discussion was already occurring at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Hook slated for New Years Day; article at AFD. You might wish to comment as your action effectively overrides most of the current dialog. --Allen3 ^talk 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• You messaged me just as I was about to comment at WT:DYK. I've already replied there. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Crisco,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Extermination of Evil collage.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on January 4, 2012. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2012-01-04. howcheng {chat} 23:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Interesting workaround. I'll take a look. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy 2012!

	Happy New Year!
	Wishing you the best! Rosiestep (talk) 19:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikilove

	Happy New Year!
	I wish you a Happy New Year and hope that everything goes swimmingly for you in 2012 :). Calvin • Watch n' Learn 00:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

FC

Lovely page, well-judged idea. The two graphs are very nicely designed (except that the axis legends are too small to read—I'd double the size of the y-axis text and put the months vertically and double the size ... but that's a lot of work, so no big deal). When I got to "Despite this large increase in featured content", I had to ponder what it meant, since there's no data on last year's promotions; then I realised you meant in terms of the additions to total existing content (again, no feeling for whether it was an 11% increase overall, or what). My feeling is that the rate of promotions, especially of articles and lists, has been going down significantly.

Feature-lutions"—I stared at it and didn't get it. When I returned to it, I worked it out. It's a bit abstruse, I think. You might consider "Stats for the year" as a reader-attractor, even if it lacks pizzazz.

"the systemic bias pervades every featured content process"—a reader might say, "it is the English WP, so why wouldn't there be an English-language bias". Is the bias even more pronounced for featured content than general content, do you think? Tony (talk) 05:39, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

• I think I still have the table saved, but there is a power outage right now and I don't know how far I'll get with battery power. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:46, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Martha Christina Tiahahu

The DYK project (nominate) 06:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/The Singing Office

The article has the basic premise of the show. SL93 (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad that I could find this article to create. For a show that received significant coverage in 2007 and 2008 and ended in 2008, it's surprising that the article didn't exist. Better late then never. SL93 (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Sastra wangi

The DYK project (nominate) 23:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for nominating Sastra wangi for DYK. My first ever!

Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 23:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I take you up on your offer of DYK pointer! MathewTownsend (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Any idea...

how to progress with Template:Did you know nominations/Monday (The X-Files)? --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

• I've just posted to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_X-Files#Sourcing_issue. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		For your graphs of featured content promotions that appeared in this week's Signpost. They helped the Featured Content article a lot. Pinetalk 03:35, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

• Support this barnstar! And also the write up in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-01-02/Featured content. Nice to have some analysis. Good work! MathewTownsend (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you both! Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:25, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Second opinion

Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Murphy_Complex_Fire. Pls look at this. Close as you see fit. Yea the image is not the best but that's not a reason to not approve the hook. GEEZ! And they wonder why so many people leave wiki. Tks. PumpkinSky talk 10:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed that you'd already commented there. Thanks for helping. Still needs closed though.PumpkinSky talk 11:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

• LoL, I've left a comment there already. It would also work if you just removed the image from the nomination page, then he would have no reason to hold back the tick. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

No way. I will not kowtow to this [redacted]. It would also work if he'd not twist something into his own personal view contrary to community standards. I don't care if it never becomes a DYK. PumpkinSky talk 11:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

• Fair enough, aside from the comment I redacted. Jez is used to FAC and GAN, which both have completely different cultures than DYK. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

He can kiss my butt. Someone should override his pompous ass.PumpkinSky talk 17:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

YES! to Orlady, obviously a gal with common sense PumpkinSky talk 21:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)