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Good to see the break is helping

I'm pleased to see your break is helping the stress level. I hope it gets you all the way back to normal soon. Cheers. --Scott Davis Talk 09:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for checking up. I've got uni out of the way, but still have plenty to do, so I'll be contributing haphazardly. --cj | talk 09:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

No worries. There's four South Para Reservoir photos in commons:category:South Australia to pick from. --Scott Davis Talk 12:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


Thank you ever so much for taking time out of your break to register your support at my RfA, and thanks also for the very gracious comment. It was much appreciated, and I look forward to your return to Wikipedia proper. Steve block talk 10:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

All systems go

My RFA is up. Thanks again for the nomination and the kind words. Snottygobble | Talk 13:34, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm honoured to have nominated you; as I said in the RfA, it's long overdue.--cj | talk 13:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

go go go

sorry for messing the snotty/drew nomination page up, but my estimation (as I have said) is that some of his arts are of better standard than what the coming wa encyc (print) has offered to date - his rapid grasp of some of the more difficult issues of wa history astonishes me to say the least - as for me, if i ever finish western tas (about another 80 or so arts if I do it properly) and pastoral leases of wa (sigh only another 420 to go) I wouldnt even scratch his level of scholarship and thoroughness.oh well so much for being on a break!vcxlor 14:11, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your response. I just wanted to know why he changed his user name. imo, it is probably not safe to give our true identity on wikipedia. --Gurubrahma 14:20, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

It's a shame, but yes, that's true. Same goes for the web as a whole.--cj | talk 14:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome pack

Sorry, but I'm just a lazy user who couldn't be bothered to log in properly. ;-) I've dropped the welcome message from talk though, so any genuinely new users who use this lab workstation can be pleasantly surprised with the bright orange box. Thanks still. Chris talk back 16:24, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


Really. I mean that. I've restored my page and will try and do less stressful work around here. - Lucky 6.9 04:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Syntax change?

Hello Cyberjunkie. Lately, I am finding my signature with talk page link doesn't work anymore. Has something changed? Do I need to adjust my signature? Thanks. Newhoggy 09:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Newhoggy. Yes, that happened with mine as well. As I've been on Wikibreak I haven't gone looking to find out what the issue is, but I narrowed the signature flaw to the "raw" function. Go to your preferences page, uncheck "raw signature", and replace your signature with [[User:Newhoggy|Newhoggy]] | [[User talk:Newhoggy|Talk]] (or whatever variant you like). Basically, you have to type it out in full. Happy editing, --cj | talk 09:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
It works well. Thanks cj -- Newhoggy | Talk 13:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Australian Prime Ministers

Cyberjunkie, I really fail to see why you reverted my change to the colours in the list of Australian Prime Ministers. Admittedly, it wasn't that nice on the eyes, but the present list is hopeless. --RaiderAspect 02:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I thought the fact it looked, frankly, nasty, was reason enough. I intend to update them with party colour id's being used by WikiProject Australian politics. --cj | talk 02:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Didn't seem too bad to me, but ok. EDIT: Just had a look around the WikiProject, I couldn't see anything about party colour id's --RaiderAspect 05:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about my earlier comments - they were a bit harsh. I'd just recieved some nasty emails from someone I had blocked, and was consequently moody :). With regards to the party colour id's, see here. JPD and I had separately developed templates for use in tables. I hope to synchronise these. They're still being developed, and I haven't yet created any for historical/defunct parties. You're welcome to suggest colours.--cj | talk 04:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:The Aussie take-over

Heh! No, offhand I can't think fo any kiwis coming up to be nominated. There might be some, but - as you say - a lot of the top ones are already admins (Gadfium, Moriori and the like). These things do seem to come in cycles though so probably there'll be three or four of them in a couple of months' time. Grutness...wha? 06:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Your comment made me go through the list of wiki kiwis (that's not easy to type...), and I've offered to nominate Alan Liefting, who's been around for a while and is definitely deserving of nomination. Grutness...wha? 05:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Good choice. Alan's been around forever! --cj | talk 06:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Sadly he turned it down (then again, he's pretty busy outside WP with environmentla and political matters - he even stood for the Green Party at our recent general election!). Keep an eye on rfa, though - I'm sure there will be a couple of kiwis up there before long :) Grutness...wha? 11:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Australian Aboriginal flag is the current ACOTF

Hi. You nominated Australian Aboriginal flag to be selected as Australian Collaboration of the fortnight. It has now been selected. Please improve it in any way you see fit. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 13:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome

And I am a bored Australian uni student (it's true) :-) - Akamad 07:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:User AmE-0

RE: The "AmE-0" on your page, you may be interested in adding Template:User AmE-0 or Category:User_AmE-0 to your user page, just letting you know about their existence in case you're interested. --Chaosfeary 12:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


Cyberjunkie, I am a somewhat new user. I don't know how to create a signiture, but I want to. Can you tell me how?- Tapd260

Hi Tapd. See Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. To sign a comment just use four tildes (~~~~) or the signature button (the second last above the edit box). Also, when starting a new topic, be sure to give it a descriptive heading (ie ==Heading==). Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask me.--cj | talk 04:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: your email

Not sure whether you got my reply, I sometimes have trouble with that account. Anyway, my answer is yes, I'd be honoured. --bainer (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi bainer. I was just typing a reply to your email. Expect the nom to be up sometime today. Sorry about the delay, --cj | talk 23:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry if I seemed impatient, but my university email account doesn't always work when I use it from home. Just checking whether you had received it! --bainer (talk) 23:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers cj, I've now accepted the nom. Took a little while to get to it, I was busy writing again. --bainer (talk) 01:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

About WikiProject Politics

Hello, I noticed that you signed up for the Politics project. I would like your input on a notice template that I am working on, you can see it here. I have had some trouble finding a suitable image for it, so if you know of a more appropriate image or if you can suggest any changes that might improve the template, please drop a line. --Robert Harrisontalk contrib 06:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


No problem, just dealing with a silly anon. --Merovingian 03:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I would like to thank you for your support of my recent successful RfA. If you have any further comments or feedback for me, my door's open - don't hesistate to drop a note on my talk page. Happy editing! Enochlau 11:13, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Adminship

Thanks, cj. My first (and so far only) use of my new superpowers was to delete an old version of Image:HenryDaglish.jpeg, which was in fact a photo of Hal Colebatch not Henry Daglish. That particular loose end had been making me itchy for over a year, so if feels good to scratch it at last. I have added myself to the Aussie admins category, and ripped off your admin userbox. Rock on, Snottygobble | Talk 12:10, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


I just changed username. Is there any chance you'd be able to delete my old user and talk pages? (michaelgabrielsen) Cheers. -   Gt 06:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, help would be good! Any chance you'd be able to delete all my old user pages for me? I just wanted to change my user name to something less obvious, but I'm still me! Thankyou~ -   Gt 03:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Happy to do that. First, I thought I'd check you'd didn't want to just redirect them to your new name. But then, if you changed it for privacy reasons, it might defeat the purpose of the change. So redirect or delete?--cj | talk 04:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
A delete. As much as I don't want to confuse some users, I don't want to have such a visible presence. It's easy enough to find me as a user. Thanks -   Gt
Okay, action complete. --cj | talk 04:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Cnwb's RfA

CJ, Thanks so very much for supporting my Request for Admin. The final result was 38/0/0. I'm looking forward to spending my summer holidays shut away in a darkened room, drinking G&Ts and playing with my new tools ;-) Please accept this Tim Tam as a token of my gratitude.

On a personal note: your support means a lot to me, as I've been admiring your dedicated work on wikipedia these past few months. I was also pleasantly surprised to see you'd intended to nominate me somewhere down the track. Thanks.

Cnwb 23:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, if you're looking for a distraction (haven't exams finished yet?), I'd appreciate it if you would have a read through Short-beaked Echidna - which should be my next featured Australian animal. Thanks.--nixie 09:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure. Yeah, my exams are over, but I'm about to have my wisdom teeth out, whilst preparing to move house. Busy times, :) A cursory glance shows the article to be pretty fantastic. --cj | talk 09:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Newb question

Hi, it looks like my first foray into editing Wikipedia didn't go so well as you gave me a yellow card :) I added links to weather pages for a number of cities which I thought were relevant and I deleted two links from Perth which I considered spam. I would appreciate it if you could explain exactly what was wrong with my edits so I don't make the same mistake twice. I realise adding/deleting links isn't the greatest contribution but I thought it would be a good way to get my feet wet. 13:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly, have you considered creating an account? We welcome contributions for new users; and mistakes are quickly taken care of. The problem with the links you were adding is that they were commercial in nature and not directly relevant. That they were added prominently to the top of the external links sections suggested advertising. A better link might have been to the Bureau of Meteorology, in any case. Thanks, --cj | talk 13:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. I'll register and try again. 00:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Religion Portals

Hey Cyberjunkie, I saw that you removed severeal religion portals from the portal list, calling them philosophy articles. What's the reason? Those are all portals, and we were asked to list them here because it is obligatory. deeptrivia (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC) PS: Just to make it clear, I'm talking about these portals: Bahá'í Faith, Sikhism, Taoism, Jainism, Shinto, Zoroastrianism, Confucianism. Please revert your changes. deeptrivia (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Indeed I did. Sorry, I didn't intend to. I believe I was looking at an older version of the page to see where the Philosophy Portal was previously, and then edited forgetting subsequent edits. I've returned them. Sorry again. On those Portals, however, are there maintainers for each? There's been a proliferation of Portals recently, most of which won't ever be updated; I hope the Religion Portals aren't such Portals.--cj | talk 13:29, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Some of those portals are just couple of days old. Let's see how many of them turn out to be active ones. Maybe some of them won't, let's wait and see. Thanks. deeptrivia (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

hi i am rrr...

I am new on wikipedia and i tried to post on the HD subject. But as less than a rookie i messed up.. u reverted my changes and i am ok with it (i have to train on posting )... but is there a way to chat or talk with u... msn or equivalent? -- HD subject on wikipedia was a bout a few minutes ago 7 december...

BD2412's RfA

Thank you, CJ, for your "yayness" support in my RfA - I'll do my best as an admin to make the reality of Wikipedia rise to the level of the dream. BD2412 T 17:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

cj, thanks for your nomination and support on my RfA. The final count was 46/0/0. I hope I'll live up to your support in my use of the mop and bucket. Please accept this wikithanks as a token of my gratitude ;) --bainer (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


Apologies if the edits weren't exactly right - I'll start adding in footnotes now and try to give a bit more of an Adelaide-focus. Cheers for the copyedit in education though! -   Gt 13:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Help Please

Hi there. I notice you have banned my IP for vandalism, which is kind of worrying me since I have never vandalised anything to do with Wikipedia. I think in total I may have made about two or three very small, useful changes to a couple of articles, but have never gone and vandalised the site. My username for Wikipedia is Riksta. Any help you could offer would be appreciated. Thanks! I only found out by accident when I clicked a red link. By the way, I just clicked "edit page" on another article and it bought up the editing page OK, so I think it may be something weird here - but yeah, I haven't been vandelising and it worried me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riksta (talkcontribs) 09:40, 13 December 2005 (ACST)

Hi Riksta. User: is a dynamic IP address used by multiple customers of Adam Internet. Unfortunately, several users of that IP have been persistently vandalising Wikipedia articles. Occassionally, blocks (not bans) are needed to prevent those users from editing, and thus vandalising. However, as a dynamic address, innocent users (such as yourself) are sometimes caught in the block. This block seems to have been particular unwise on my part, as many were caught. Fortunately, your IP was changed and you managed to avoid the block. I am sorry for the inconvience. Happy editing, --cj | talk 04:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


You're not to blame, the vandals are! Thankyou for the unblock. -   Gt 04:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

John Howard and the Cronulla riots

I don't think that this is point of view. I will outline my reasons:

  • We have a section titled: "A volatile environment"
  • John Howard has been talking about the relationship between Australians and 1.The world muslim community 2.Australia's muslim community. 3. Terrorists
  • Surely this rhetoric deserves to be mentioned in the "volatile environment" section.

OK, so at least mention that the crowd used the phrase "we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come"—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjspe1 (talkcontribs) 12:05, 14 December 2005 (ACST)

Hi Mjspe1. Please review your contibution. This is not encyclopædic writing, nor does it adhere to Wikipedia principles. We have a neutrality policy that prohibits original research and requres that everything published be verifiable. Your edit stated matter-of-factly a particular bias not shared by all. For what it's worth, I certainly agree (to an extent) about the "culture of fear", but I don't think it's something that can be singled down to Howard and his cronies. Thanks, --cj | talk 02:45, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the calm advice. I was getting a *tad* bit annoyed there. See, this is why you're an administator! -   Gt 03:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Technical stuff

I haven't had to do it, but if you delete one, move the other over it and then restore all the deleted edits both histories should be at the same name at least... --nixie 05:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks anyway, --cj | talk 05:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you looked at Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves? --Martyman-(talk) 05:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. But I'm nervous I might screw up. --cj | talk 05:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Why not create User:Cyberjunkie/Crud1, do a copy-paste move to User:Cyberjunkie/Crud2, then see if you can merge their histories? Snottygobble | Talk 06:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Worth a shot.--cj | talk 06:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I needn't bother. Checking the histories of the two pages (Socceroos and Australia national soccer team), I now realise they overlap and a merger wouldn't work. Thanks for the help, --cj | talk 06:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I understand. It doesn't say that merging won't work, it just says that it will interleave the overlapping history making it very confusing. Probably not a very positive outcome, I guess.. --Martyman-(talk) 06:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Seeking advice - Jung Sin Yuk-Do

Hi, Could you please take a look at the comments at Talk:Jung Sin Yuk-Do and advise what can be done about the problem. It looks like a case of somebody writing an article about themselves and editing out and criticism and calling it vandalism. Part of teh problem is that most of the edits are being done by IP numbers with no user names. Getting an understanding of what has been going on might require going back through the history a bit. If it makes it easier, I can try to document the history of it. The original article which was almost certainly self promotion was Rod Cook. It has since been deleted. A recent comment suggests that there are related pages where self promotion has been going on as well. I had a look and found a Martial Arts wiki project. I thought that referring it to them might help, but it could also inflame the situation, so I thought I would ask your opinion first. Thanks. -- Adz 07:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

From looking at the article and its links, I think it's something that is being taught. Whether it is a legitimate martial art or notable in any case, I'm not sure - although I reckon not. You could either 1) contact participants of WikiProject Martial Arts (presumably knowledgeable in this area) and ask their advice on a course of action, or 2) AfD it and notify the WikiProject. I'd say it has a fair change of being deleted, given it is only referenced in two other websites outside Wikipedia.--cj | talk 07:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


Just watching my watch page and there's somebody at putting obvious ad links on sydney,freo, and some other places. I've sent a test1 and test2 it might have been the wrong thing to do. I just saw you're probably the only admin I know on at the moment. you might want to have a look. I might have been over-reacting maybe. you might want me to pull my head in - that;s fine. vcxlor 08:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC) Gawks alexxx got into it at same time. if only there was that much watching in wiki for all 800.000 arts! vcxlor 08:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Seems to be fine now. There are specific warning templates for spam links that escalate in severity as the test templates do. See {{TestTemplates}} for a list of all warning templates. If you spot somebody continuing to vandalise, despite warnings, list them at Vandalism in Progress if you can't find admin's about. Other admins who watch that page should attend to it. Happy editing, --cj | talk 15:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, ta. good advice and all, good to be back into it, trying to balance things a bit. nothing like a bit of this and that. vcxlor 15:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections

Hi CJ/Archive 6: This is a quick note just to let you know that there's an election under way at Esperanza. If you'd like to become a candidate for Administrator General or the Advisory Council, just add your name here by 15 December 2005.

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There's some confusion about why you made so many changes to the Vegemite page, rolling back a dozen or so additions, removing the jingle, etc. Could you response there, by any chance? - DavidWBrooks 16:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject AFL

Don't know if you have already checked this out but have a look at WikiProject AFL. I have single-handedly got this up and running when no-one said it could be done, or there was little interest or whatever. So I'd be pleased if you could take a look and perhaps contribute. Cheers! Rogerthat 03:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Ianbrown's RfA

Thanks for voting in my recent RfA. I was overwhelmed at the turnout and comments received.

Iantalk 07:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Kenso tech

What is wrong with my "Kenso tech" addition on UNSW. Do a google search in Australia. Or better still, go to a reputable university in Sydney (including UNSW) and ask people if they have heard of Kenso tech.

Australian Greens article edits

I have been editing the Australian Greens article to balance out the commentary relating to right-wing attacks against the Greens in the "Ideology" section - which I don't think meet NPOV criteria. I think that this section should relate to Greens ideology rather than intepretations of it that are biased towards recent right wing attacks - which could be put in another section. Some of my edits have been backed out, and more right-wing references (eg. Andrew Bolt) added. There are no balancing references - e.g. Margo Kingston's blog on Greens policies. What is the process for agreeing on content and NPOV fit? Political comment is obviously difficult to balance out. Peter Campbell 03:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again Peter. Politics on Wikipedia is indeed difficult to balance, but in my experience, achievable. The best way to achieve balance is through consensual editing - how this encyclopædia works, really. The first step would be to append a {{POV}} tag to the top of the Australian Greens article and then clearly outline your points on the article's talk page, making sure they generally correspond to NPOV and associated policies. Make sure you also make suggestions for improvements. If the dispute becomes more heated, or results in "waring" between to users, we have mechanisms for dealing with that also. I partially reverted the last change to article, in any case. Thanks, --cj | talk 03:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: advice on Speedy Delete nominations

Thanks for the tip; I shall be more diligent in future. Cheers, Colonel Tom 04:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


I'm undecided on whether to work on Koala - which needs some serious rewriting- or one of the wombats/quolls/possums where I have a blank slate. The Koala image in the fauna article seems to be the one that is set for the main page, not sure why you can't see it.--nixie 05:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm that's odd. It's one of the two I can't see in the article itself, but at least there I see the caption and frame. It doesn't show anything on the Main Page entry because it not a thumb. Still, that's an individual fault that doesn't seem to affect any others. Confusing, but.--cj | talk 05:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Race Riots

Hi Cyberjunkie, you made a revert edit to the 2005 Sydney race riots article that I would like to ask you about.

1. ...anger towards groups of young Lebanese men, was in part fuelled by past racist hate crimes perpetrated by other young Lebanese...

has been reverted to

...anger towards groups of young Lebanese men, caused by the crimes perpetrated by young Lebanese...

I think the first formulation is better because is more cautiously formulated and more NPOV. In the second statement, to say that event X caused reaction Y is a very strong claim. I think it's better to talk about something contributing or fuelling anger rather than making this a direct causal relationship. Could you explain your thinking in changing this back?

2. ...this pre-existing anger was exascerbated by the beach incident and erupted in the random violence.

has been reverted to

...this anger was merely triggered by the beach incident and erupted in the random violence.

I am not so concerned about this change but I do think the 2nd (reverted) version below is not as well expressed as the 1st version above. In particular, the word triggered concerns me because it seems to imply that the race riot was like a loaded gun (if I understand the trigger metaphor correctly). In other words, it was a situation just sitting there waiting to go off. I don't really agree with this and I think it's more POV than the word exascerbated. So again, I'm wondering why this was changed. --Alexxx1 23:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

One more thing. I understand that you have made this section of the article invisible until such time as it properly written and sourced. However, I think this may be a problem because anyone who comes to the article now will not know that there is a hidden section of text in there unless they happen to edit the page or look closely at its history. Surely, if something is not well written, it is better to leave it visible so that people will see it and edit it. That's how wikipedia works right? If it's invisible, it might never be worked on again.

So I can't really see a good reason for hiding it. I mean, if you think this section is so bad that it shouldn't be on display, shouldn't you either edit what you see as the problem or delete it altogether? I'm still a newb on wikipedia so I don't know what the standard procedure is but this is the first time I've come across a section of an article being hidden like this. --Alexxx1 03:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Alexxx. Unfortunately, this was a case of editing-on-the-run in which I was lax. I realise the version I reverted to wasn't any better than the first, but this line caught my eye: "fuelled by past racist hate crimes". Because the sections were not Wikipedia-worthy, I hid them instead following proper editing protocol and moving them to the talk page with an explanation. This has now been done. I'm sorry for any confusion caused.--cj | talk 05:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks very much for clarifying that. It's not a problem at all! All the best! --Alexxx1 (talk/contribs) 05:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

malo's RfA

Cyberjunkie, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 05:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for supporting the Constructed languages portal for Featured status. I'm very interested in the future of portals on Wikipedia. I'm also curious about your views of no self-references on the portals. While I agree articles should not be self-referential it seems to me that portals would be by their very nature. Perhaps I am wrong, but I would like an explaination. I've been exploring portals in other-language Wikipedias, and even have helped set them up in the Esperanto Wikipedia. It seems that many of the portals in those wikipedias are very self-referential, including many Portails de Qualité in the French Wikipedia. I also like that the other-language portals are more focused on directing to content, than being actual content themselves, which I would thing is important. It seems that the English portals actually differ substantially from others, and I was curious if there were reasons for this.

Also, I went and created a Language portal, and while looking for redirects, noticed there already was an incomplete Linguistics portal. I was wondering if you think its worth having both, or to erase the other portal and redirect it to the Language portal?

Thanks for your time and effort. Jon 18:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I noticed you had created Portal:Language. I don't think it's worth having both that and Portal:Linguistics; one should redirect to the other. Is it better to have a broader portal on Linguistics (which I assume Language comes under), or one on just Languages?
I also have spent quite a bit of time perousing through other language Wikipedias for ideas on portals. They are mostly different to those on en:, and this is probably because they evolved from different ideas. I think on the en: the initial idea was to replicate the Main Page for various topic areas. On other languages, it seems editors were much more intent on creating portals as "entry points". Both en: and other languages share this function, but on en: portals have evolved more to display the best of Wikipedia content (like the MP) than direct to articles etc. I like the formats of many interwiki portals, and its good to portals inspired by them on en:, such as your Language portals.
However, I'm not sure interwiki portals are very self-referential. On the de: and fr: portals, I've noticed aspects which are self-referential, including "collaborators" boxes. I don't think self-references are appropriate on en: because, as we agree, en: portals are different. I generally dislike self-references anywhere on Wikipedia outside the project and talk namespaces. I think its tacky for a portal to talk of itself. Surely, a welcome note is fine (such as appears on MP), but explanations of functions and purpose are un-necessary on individual portals and should be restricted to Wikipedia:Portal. Self-references detract from content. To the extent that we are an open encyclopædia that needs to encourage contribution, self-references are fine.--cj | talk 07:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi cj,

just thought you'd like to know I created a template at {{user-AmE-0}}... no prizes for guessing what is contains. There were loads of us with pretty much the same box, so it seemed sensible to template it. Unfortunateley {{user AmE-0}} was taken... never mind. File:Anglo-indian.jpg Deano 21:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I've changed the hard code to template. I didn't like {{user AmE-O}}, so its good to see the better version templatised also. Happy editing, --cj | talk 13:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Egyptology Portal

Great to see some else looking at this page as well – so thanks for your time and effort. Markh 13:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the message! I doubt I'll be maintaining it. I've just been giving a few portals a spruce-up over the last couple days. Happy editing, --cj | talk 13:40, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Question on passing variables

I'm impressed by the markup on your talk page. You definitely seem to know mark-up. Perhaps you could answer a question... Is there any way to pass a variable on the same page? Like specifying colors. For portals for instance, all I've seen so far are 2 and 3 page models for passing color variables. The standard portal skeleton is 3 pages deep: the portal page, header subpages below that, and a template called from the subpages. Go for it! 06:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm not knowledgeable in this area at all -- just lucky. I work by trial and error, without much knowledge of what it is I'm doing. So far its worked! But I really must sit down and read up on all the technical stuff so that I can answer questions like this. So...I'm not really sure what your asking.--cj | talk 06:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Rather than edit color codes throughout a document, variables are used. For example, the variable "bkgrd" could be used to stand for background color everywhere it is needed on the page. Then somewhere else you specify the color code (e.g., "green") for that variable. Usually, that "somewhere else" is another page, from which the page with the variables on it is called. The value ("green") for the variable ("bkgrd") is passed from the current page to the page being transcluded (piped in like a template). My question is "Can a variable be defined and used on the same page, without the need to pipe anything in?" That is, can the value for a variable be defined on the same page which has the variable on it?


I'm still not really sure why you're reverting Template:IRU Australia. These Australian university templates are the only ones on Wikipedia that have no formatting or borders, and they really do look quite ugly. If there's others, then how about we fix them up, rather than leaving them in their current shoddy state? Ambi 10:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

They can't be that shoddy if all navigational boxes of the German Wikipedia are formatted that way. The background is automatically white in article space. Still if its bothersome, I'm fine with them being reformatted - so long as all are. I'll do so now.--cj | talk 10:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

... and a happy new year. It's been a pleasure working with you in 2005. Snottygobble | Talk 13:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Same to you (with an emphasis on a happy New Year)! Wonder what 2006 will bring us...--cj | talk 13:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy Crimbo!

Have a Proper and Merry Crimbo. File:Pressie.gif, in fact here is a pressie from the Doctor to you. Ho. Ho. Ho! File:Unclecrimbo.gif Dr. McCrimbo 23:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Portal connections

Hi, yes I like that very much. I added this to Portal:Geography. Maybe we could combine your idea and mine somehow? Jon 04:29, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I like that to. Unfortunately, it's not showing up on the actual portal page for me. Does it for you? I'm not sure how we could combine them...Any ideas? If the subportals have sub-portals, it mightn't be necessary to show them on the main portal.--cj | talk 04:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I was hoping it was an issue with my browser (I have quite a bit of trouble with Portals for some reason, not the least of which is right columns appearing below left columns), but I guess it must have something to do with the formatting...I will take a look at it. Possibly we could add your bar to a box above or below : User:JonMoore/Newportal/Subportals. Again this is a mock-up using your set-up with mine, so the subjects don't match, but just to get a visual. Jon 04:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
That looks good. I've forced the boxes to top-align so that it looks neater. Do you think we should allow for diversity? As in, alternate between the two singular formats and the third combined. Or should we have a standard format across portals? This could probably replace {{portals}}, which has become both redundant and far too large.--cj | talk 04:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I like the combined format. Your bar helps to move laterally, while mine helps move down. We should probably add something to help move up (Something like: "This is a subportal of Portal:Foo and Portal:Bar." I agree that we can leave out the list of subportals, since they do seem to take up space. This will definately help engage people more than a list. We should probably add a link to Portal:Browse so people can still access all portals. Well, I am off to bed, since it is 10:00 PM Friday night in the States. Be my guest to keep modifying the idea, though. Jon 05:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks like I'm up til 11:00, so we can continue this for another hour, lol. Jon 05:16, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I went and upgraded User:JonMoore/Newportal/Subportals. I took out the lists of subpages and added a bar to the bottom explaining what portals they are subportals to. The whole process could probably be streamlined by a template, which I could work on. Jon 05:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll fiddle with the notice. Back to Portal:Geography: It doesn't look so good contained in a box. What about just having it on the portal page?--cj | talk 05:32, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Sure, if you think that works. I obviously don't want it to look cluttered, which would be tacky. I was thinking that maybe we should use my style on upper level portals with alot of portals under them, and more of your style as they get lower and only have a few portals under them or none at all, and would have more portals laterally, about similar subjects. Jon 05:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
That could work. My original intent was to arrange like categories - grandparent portal (main portal), parent portal (main subportals), and children (subportals). Parent portals would be shown on the the granparent, and the children on the parent portals. For geography, this would mean showing regional portals on Portal:Geography and then dividing the country portals as appropriate between the regional portals. --cj | talk 05:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that could work, and maybe the children could show sibling portals, in a browse bar similar to the one you created, so Portal:United Kingdom would also link with Portal:France, Portal:Hungary, etc? Well, I'm off to bed, goodnight. Jon 05:56, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hi Cyberjunkie. I would like to ask you a favor. Could you please comment at User talk:Fplay#Mathematics question. Fplay did some sweeping changes Template:WikipediaTOC, but when asked why, he does not know, rather referred to you and some cat and overview browesers which I don't understand. Thanks a lot. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Oleg. I assume Fplay is acting pursuant to a conversation at Wikipedia talk:Portal. Basically, I arranged portals on Portal:Browse according the ten main portals. Go For It! and Fplay both would like to see a standard format across the so-called "navigation system". Because the arrangement I had used on Portal:Browse was supported, I presume it is now being used on other pages. However, my intent on Portal:Browse was only to organise by the fundamental portals. Some were lumped together, and Religion was noted beside Philosophy. This was done for practical reasons - the number of portals varies greatly between fundamentals, and coupling related fundamentals was logical formatting. This does not mean this need be carried out elsewhere, where categories and articles are far more numerous per fundamental.--cj | talk 06:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


Yep, I'm working on it as we speak. Go for it! 09:46, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections

Hi Cyberjunkie! At 14:59 on 23 December 2005, you cast a vote in favour of "The Wub" for a place on the Advisory Committee of Esperanza. Unfortunately, you didn't sign the vote. For the avoidance of doubt, please can you revisit the page and sign the vote? Sorry to be a pain! Thanks for your time. ➨ REDVERS 10:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. I swear I never do that...--cj | talk 10:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


I've worked up a couple layout modifications of the template. Take a look at: Main Page New2 and Main Page New. Put them in seperate windows and switch between them to see which one you like best. Notice the small margin change on the Main Page markups; the rest of the changes are in the MainPageIntro templates transcluded at the top of each page. Go for it! 15:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Both are far too large for the Main Page; it just doesn't look balanced.--cj | talk 12:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Portal stuff

I created a new browse bar for portals {{Browsebar graphic}}, and a template for subportals: {{Subportals}}. I'm trying to make the number of boxes optional using if/then statements (using {{qif}} at User:JonMoore/Portal_template), but I think I may have to go the route of {{babel}} and create multiple templates. I made an example of what it wold look like for a child portal here and added it to Portal:Geography to show what it would look like for a grandparent portal. This would pretty much relieve the need for {{portals}} on the page, I think. {{Browsebar graphic}} may be used on grandparent portals, and we can customized the bar for parent and child portals. Children would probably not need the subportal boxes, only Grandparents and Parents. If I don't here from you soon, Happy Chrismukkah. Jon 20:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Wilderness School

Why the removal of the paragraph about stereotypes at the school? It is properly stated they are stereotypes and they do seem accurate as stereotypes. Is this non enclyclopedic? Maelgwn 08:31, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't really, no. The reason I removed it, however, was because it was a fairly controversial statement without a source.--cj | talk 12:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


I saw you several times while going round to wish. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --Bhadani 16:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Browsebar on Main Page

Our browsebar got placed on the Main Page, but some POV'er removed Art and Philosophy from it. He cited the discussion on Template talk:MainPageIntro#portal:art and portal:philosophy. However, that discussion was tied 2 to 2 at that time. Please go there and support Art and Philosophy. Art packs a lot of punch for being only 3 letters, while Philosophy is on the same level as Science, both of which rank above Mathematics on the hierarchy of fields. But we're almost there! See ya at that discussion! Go for it! 08:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Clarendon Weir

Hi Cyberjunkie, I can across Clarendon Weir and was going to AfD it, but I noticed you created both Happy Valley Reservoir and Mount Bold Reservoir, which reference it. I've tagged it as a stub for now. I'm not asking you to work on it, I'm just wondering if it's a notable object. In Canada a weir is generally a small construction that isn't notable unless the mob buried a body under it... (cough). Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 20:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Bookandcoffee. In water-short Australia, all water infrastructure tends to be quite notable and are often quite popular tourist attractions. In the scheme of things, Clarendon Weir is large/important enough for an article - but others mightn't think so. I've made a note to try and expand on it sometime soon. As an aside, thank you for your refreshing approach to AfD - so few actually check around before sprinting to deletion. Happy editing, --cj | talk 08:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks from Deathphoenix

Hi Cyberjunkie,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me in my RfA. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by all the support I've gotten. I never saw myself as more than an occasional Wiki-hobbyist.

My wife sends her curses, as Wikipedia will likely suck up more of my time. She jokingly (I think) said she was tempted to log on to Wikipedia just to vote Oppose and let everyone know that she didn't want her husband to be an admin.

It means a great deal to me to get a cliché vote. I'll make sure your trust in me is founded. --Deathphoenix 15:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


I just noticed that you'd created Netball Australia a couple of weeks ago. Thanks for creating this one - it'd been on my to-do list for quite a while, and you did a really good job with it. :) Ambi 11:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. I created it whilst going over the articles for sport organisational bodies. I think we have an article on the governing association for each of the major sports now, though a few others like Yachting Australia might be needed.--cj | talk 11:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Featured portal candidates

Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I'm not yet prepared to give way on my objections as I'd like guarantees that the portals will be maintained. I've made suggestions on the FPC page, hopefully they will be resolved as I do think the portals are essentially there, but I'm also keen that we set good standards for what gets featured, jguk 17:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

article on "art"

Hello, Cyberjunkie. I'd be glad to modify the version of the "art" page that you wiped away -- but I have no idea what problems you found with it. Could you give me any hints ? Mountshang 21:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Proclamation Day in South Australia?

Dear CJ: Your name was suggested to me to answer the following: at what date exactly is the proclamation of South Australia commemorated? On 26 December (2nd Christmas day); or 28 December (reportedly the actual date of the proclamation)? Thanx, Tom Peters 12:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

As is stated in the article, Proclamation Day is celebrated on December 26 although December 28 was the actual date the Province of South Australia was proclaimed. It's not unsual to have public holidays commemorating certain events on days different to their actual dates in Australia, usually to ensure long weekends or keep successive holidays in blocks. December 28 is probably still remembered, but the public holiday and festivities occur on what is elsewhere Boxing Day.--cj | talk 16:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hello, I wish you and your family a prosperous and happy New Year 2006! We shall surely remain actively involved in the Project Wikipedia. --Bhadani 17:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

History Portal

You really think we should be stuck with the same selected article until April??

NickDupree 10:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. The selected article and picture have been set to rotate monthly up until the month of April. Feel free to add new features after the queue, although please follow previous formats (no thumbs, etc).--cj | talk 11:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I misunderstood. How do I access the new features for Jan, Feb, April, etc.? NickDupree 11:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
See Portal:History/Featured article and Portal:History/Featured picture to see upcoming features. It works similarly to Wikipedia:Today's featured article.--cj | talk 11:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you very much, and I deeply apologize for my ignorance and inadvertant vandalism of the process :( Man am I embarassed. NickDupree 11:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
There's no need to apologise. Sometimes my edit summaries can be terse, and give the wrong impression (oops). I'm very happy to see new interest in the portal.--cj | talk 11:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Trains

Cj, I have now changed to supporting the promotion of Portal:Trains, which I think leaves your comment regarding colours as the only outstanding point. Perhaps you could agree with Slambo how best to take this forward as it would be a shame to lose featuring it for a point that presumably could be easily resolved.

By the way, after changing my comment to support on Portal:Constructed languages I have promoted the portal. I have also set up a guide to promoting portals on the Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates page, and arranged sub-pages, all of which are akin to what happens on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates. Kind regards, jguk 12:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'll see what progress has been made with regards to colour on Portal:Trains. As an aside, I plan on creating a Portal of the Week section at the top of the right sidebar on Portal:Browse. This would rotate between existing portals, with Cricket first on the list.--cj | talk 12:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


hello. i just saw that you are one of the administrators of this site. could please have o look at the following article: Panathinaikos. user KOmparos always changes the facts of this article. i talked to him but he shows no reaction, understanding or respect. thanks --Galis 14:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I am kOmparos. User galis uses false data. He adds that Panathinaikos have won 363 trophies at all sports but he does not writes where he has found that. He is doing vandalism.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KOmparos (talkcontribs) 00:51, 1 January 2006 (ACST)
all titles are mentioned in the text. PLEASE STOPP your vandalism!!! it´s enough!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Galis (talkcontribs) 00:55, 1 January 2006 (ACST)
Where are 363? I seei only about 100. He is lying.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KOmparos (talkcontribs) 00:59, 1 January 2006
100? please take once more a look... --Galis 15:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
These are not officialy recongised. Where have you found that? Tell us your sources.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KOmparos (talkcontribs) 01:03, 1 January 2006 (ACST)

Hello Komparos and Galis. Firstly, please sign all your messages. KOmparos: I reviewed various revisions of both Panathinaikos and Olympiacos and noted that you had changed information that was there prior to Galius' editing of the article. Also, I noticed you had written in a foreign language which can constitute as vandalism when out of context. If you have a dispute with an articles' content, please use its discussion page to consensually and civilly resolve your dispute. Do not engage in edit wars or break the three revert rule as you have now done. Any further reversions by either yourself or Galius will result in the article being protected and you both being temporarily blocked from editing. Please see other policies and guidelines for further information. --cj | talk 15:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I am kOmparos. User galis changes Olympiakos Piraues into text. Why you allow him to do this?

And i think he must tell us where he had read that PAO has 363 titles. He must tell us his sources.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KOmparos (talkcontribs) 01:23, 1 January 2006 (ACST)

1. there is a source.
2. have a look at the sites of manchester, bayern or juventus... where are the sources??
3. in the case tha PAO hast not the most titles (it has) it still has the most single departments which makes it bigger than the other sport clubs. this is the reason becuase of olympiacos can not be the biggest sport team. olympiacos is surely the biggest football club - but not the biggest sport club.--Galis 15:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
PAO has not the most single departments. Olympiakos has much more and also have won 468 titles in all sports thats why it is the biggest sports club.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KOmparos (talkcontribs) 01:34, 1 January 2006 (ACST)

Komparos, please sign your comments. You can do this by typing four tildes (~~~~) or using the second last button above the edit box. Could you both please discuss this further at Talk:Panathinaikos - my talk page is clogged enough without a content dispute.--cj | talk 16:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok --KOmparos 16:17, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Scotland - vanishing nation?

Hi there! Why did you remove Scotland from the list of European nations? We have, since 1999, an elected Parliament of our own and have been in only a temporary, partial union with England since 1707. The Scottish Parliament is elected and has sovereignity. There is already an extensive amount of material on Wikipedia on Scotland and indeed a version in Scottish Gaelic. Please restore the country to the European countries list where it belongs. The statement on the page is that: "It contains sovereign states, dependent territories and special entities recognized by international treaty or agreement." It already includes regioanl provinces of Norway and Finland as well as individual islands off the coast of Britain so Scotland is a serious ommision. Many thanks and happy new year! --iainmacl Iainmacl 21:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Scotland is not an independent state nor dependency, which is what that list is for.--cj | talk 10:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


It looks like your approach to changing the browsebar on the main page works. Your change of Browse to Categories stuck. So perhaps you could transform the browsebar a little over time. I suggest the following changes:

  1. Change A-Z to Index (and leave it in alphabetical order).
  2. After that's been on there a week or so, change Wikipedia FAQs to FAQs, and place it alphabetically.
  3. Change Ask a Question to Ask, and place it alphabetically.
  4. Then comes adding Overviews.
  5. Lists
  6. Glossaries
  7. Almanac
  8. The last thing to do is remove Ask (it's already in FAQs)

Spread out over a month or two might give users time to get used to the changes. If one change doesn't stick, it doesn't hurt to try another one right away. Then you can put the change that didn't stick at the end of the list, and try it again later.

The weird thing is that the explanation of the guy who reverted the browsebar last time didn't make any sense. Take a look. It's as if he didn't know that A-Z was the Index. And if the Index was the only reason he reverted, then the rest of the revert was unintentional. See what you make of his revert, and let me know.

Happy New Year! Go for it! 23:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for your nice update to my entry! I've been busy adding bits and pieces to Wikipedia while I have a few days off from the day job, so I saw it almost immediately.

Happy New Year! JQ 00:08, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. The bibliography was a bit haphazard; I included the last two entries at randomn to show variety in your work (and something more recent). I hope it's representative to some extent. By the way, we've just set up a guideline for biographies of living persons (in response to recent controversy) you may wish to look over. Oh, and Happy New Year indeed!--cj | talk 15:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

John Howard/infobox

Dear Cyberjunkie,

Thanks for tidying up the amendments I made to the infobox associated with the John Howard article. I'm fairly new to this, so I appreciate your guidance. Wulfilia 15:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Besides which

I've been making good edits on a daily basis. Jimbo and David G know the names I use, but have kept them quiet because otherwise I'd be harassed by the usual charmers. --Pete


Hi there. When you (s)protect a page, such as Australia, don't forget to list it at WP:PP. That helps keep track of how long things have been protected for. (And don't forget to unprotect as soon as possible, in general.) Thanks. -Splashtalk 15:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing (although having to list is an annoyance). I will unprotect Australia-related articles tommorrow if there is no re-appearance of User:Crocodile Dundee tonight.--cj | talk 15:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Vandalism is a pain, but in this idiots case, so is protecting. It only moves them on to other articles. -- Longhair 11:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

This is true, but then, I only intend on protecting Australia as the most prominent article being attacked. Is it just my connection, or is the wiki being painfully slow...?--cj | talk 11:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I could sure use your help on the Main Page Redesign Draft

Is there any way to make two columns of multiple boxes line up at the bottom edge of the lowest two boxes in the columns? We are almost done with the Main Page redesign, and I've run into a couple formatting problems. Maybe you could see something that I missed. I'd sure appreciated it if you would come and take a look. Thank you. Go for it! 16:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Gold Coast suggestion and Brisbane

Hi cj. I saw the comment you recently made on the Gold Coast page suggesting that the format follow that of Canberra, Mumbai etc. I was wondering whether you might take a look at the Brisbane article as well. I tried to suggest that some of it should be turned into prose and attempted at rewriting some of it. It wasn't taken up and it was explained that what I had suggeted had caused problems in the past (I'm trying to assume good faith). I've decided to step back from Brisbane articles after I had an exchange with one of the main editors following a suggestion I made about a Brisbane suburb article that I think wasn't well received. I'm trying not to read too much into it but am reluctant to make edits or suggestions so as not to upset anybody. Could you perhaps take a look. Thanks. -- Adz 01:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Seems there are a lot of overly-sensitive and snipey editors about at the moment (along with a few large-ish rows), so it's best to tread carefully. I've retreated back to my WikiProject Adelaide work. I'll have a look and get back to you.--cj | talk 06:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that. I'm thinking of messaging a few people who have edited Brisbane related articles in the past with an aim to try to muster up some enthusiasm for the Brisbane Wikiproject. I'm in the middle of house hunting at the moment at will be moving at the end of the month, so I'm reluctant to do anything just yet. Probably late Jan early Feb. -- Adz 05:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC).

Adelaide suburb stubs

I was wondering if the suburb articles that I've created at the moment are classifyable as stubs, because I saw similar articles which are not I haven't stubbed mine. (I have listed them on my user page)They are not complete really - the history is unknown to me so I will have to look it up somewhere eventually - where do you go get local history books in Adelaide? Thanks, Blnguyen 06:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say not (except for maybe Regency Park). They all seem to be of relatively decent length; I'd classify them as semi-complete per WikiProject Adelaide/Suburbs. As for history books, I'm not sure how good your local library collection might be, but the university libraries have some books worth looking at. For articles on suburbs, it might be best to refer to a history book on the council that governs them. I've listed some more general books on Adelaide in the further reading section of Adelaide. Great work on those articles by the way, --cj | talk 13:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Universities in South Australia

This template doesn't display correctly, the flag is half cut off. Probably just my computer but I thought i'd let you know. Bartimaeus 00:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the supporting comments on the Devil article- the movement of text was done in a really bad way - and was not necessary - I'd sooner see the disease article become a redirect that removing a large chunk of relevant material from the main article. Thanks also for taking on the Brisbane/Gold Coast mess, Brisbane in particular has "ownership issues" which have prevented me from cleaning it up.--nixie 03:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised I didn't notice the text had been removed; I think my watchlist is getting so large I'm overlooking pages. As for the city articles, I'm happy to see the Gold Coast has made much progress. Brisbane remains static, however. I think I might nudge it in the right direction by removing excess. Moreover, it might be worthwhile to set up a general resource for Australian cities detailing the advised layout. Thanks for your message, --cj | talk 09:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Hi. I hope you don't mind the extra bit I added to the welcome message you just put at Zassat's talk page. I was heaving a message at the same time and we clashed. I thought the other bits would be helpful thought it was a shame for my typing to go to waste. Also, Zassat has been around for a while and I didn't want him/her to feel neglected. -- Adz 09:42, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. I often double up welcome messages (but only when I have something special to say) :) --cj | talk 09:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Favour to ask

I don't have access to protected pages, so I was wondering if you would place the browsebar template at the top of the Reference Desk for me please. I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Go for it! 18:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi cj,

Ian and I are going to put Yagan up to WP:FAC. nixie gave us some great feedback, of which point 7 was "Get someone else to copy edit it, Cyberjunkie, Wayward or Tony1 are usually willing to lend a hand". Interested? Snottygobble | Talk 01:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Certainly, --cj | talk 10:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

External link advice

Hi Cyberjunkie, thanks for dropping by my discussion page, it's nice to hear from your one-person welcoming committee :) I wonder if you could help settle a bit of a dispute we're having over on the Gold Coast, Queensland page regarding external links. I've read through the Wikipedia:External links guidelines which say you should cite sources, and also sites with other meaningful, relevant content and I think fits into that category (the site was used as a main source for the Gold Coast history article, and has extensive virtual tours, interactive maps and other useful articles on the Gold Coast). Other contributors think the site is too commercial, and it does have some sponsors and advertising, but I think its content is useful enough to warrant a link, and it doesn't exist primarily to "sell products or services", so I was wondering if we could get your opinion on whether we should link to it or not?

Thanks heaps E-CBD 02:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)E-CBD

Hi E-CBD. I'll have to get back to you on this, as I don't have time to check out the site at the moment. However, just briefly: if the site is commercial, then it should probably not be included in "external links". If the site is commercial, but is a source for information used within the article, it may be included in "references". I'll expand on this later, --cj | talk 10:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Check this out

Portal:Philosophy Go for it! 06:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I already had, but I can't see the changes. I noticed everyone raving about rounded corners, but for some reason, they don't appear such. Do you know why this is? It sounds like a nice format, --cj | talk 06:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
The code only works for Firefox and kin. IE users are out of luck. Kudos to KMF who tracked down the code on the Italian WP. Go for it! 07:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
:( Time to get me Mozilla again, methinks.--cj | talk 07:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've gotten myself Firefox and am looking at the rounded corners presently. To be honest, whilst it looks okay, it's not as fantastic as I had hoped or as people had made it seem. I prefer the square-edge borders that appear for users of IE. By the way, what do you think of adopting Image:Nuvola apps mycomputer.png to replace the current Technology icon?--cj | talk 15:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The icon is great. I almost downloaded it from the Italian WP for that very purpose, but decided to hunt down the Nuvola set instead. There are over 200 of them in my toolbox in the workshop. By the way, I liked your user page design to much I adopted (and adapted) it. Thanks! Go for it! 16:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Reference Desk and the User Interface

Did you read my message above concerning the Reference Desk? Since it is a top-level page (one of Wikipedia's premier departments), maybe we should include it in the User Interface we've built. But, I think the first step is to see if anyone would object to the browsebar being on that page. And the best way to find that out is to place the browsebar there and see what happens. Go for it! 16:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I did. I'd prefer if you'd raise it first on the talk page. Part of the reason pages are protected is to ensure that changes are first discussed.--cj | talk 16:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)