Talk:Twitch (service)

October-November 2020 DMCA Music Takedown Controversy

With the recent DMCA takedown notices being handed down to a large amount of both small and large, popular streamers in the past few weeks on the platform, should the controversy surrounding this issue be further mentioned in the "Criticisms and Controversies" section of this article? MyJunoBaldwin (talk) 18:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of PogChamp into Twitch (service)

Per WP:SUSTAINED, PogChamp is largely only notable because it was deleted from Twitch. It can easily be discussed in a section of the main article and doesn't require a full article to explain. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with this characterization. While the removal lead to a lot more coverage, there was already coverage of the emote beforehand. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 11:54, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

What exactly is there to say about it prior to it being deleted? It is strictly an emote used to express excitement with no further analysis or meaning. Most people don't use it thinking about the person on it. WP:INDISCRIMINATE says that Wikipedia must demonstrate a real-world impact. We should not confuse usage of the emote with the emote itself._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

The article isn't about the person on the emote, it's about the emote itself. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 12:06, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@ZXCVBNM: Most people don't normally think about the person used in the emote itself, but there is history of the PogChamp emote being used throughout Twitch history as an emote for excitement/joy/surprise, whether or not we use the original emote with Ryan or not. In fact, Twitch now actually changed the PogChamp emote often to keep the magic of the intents of the PogChamp emote, says Twitch themselves, more specifically "Pog", "Poggers" and all its variants. "We want the sentiment and use of Pog to live on – its meaning is much bigger than the person depicted or image itself– and it has a big place in Twitch culture. However, we can't in good conscience continue to enable use of the image." Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 07:45, 9 January 2021 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 07:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

It remains to be seen how coverage will pan out, but my guess is that it probably won't have sustained coverage. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I haven't dug too deep but there may be enough to refocus the Pogchamp article to a bio article on Ryan Gutierrez, of which Pogchamp would be suitably covered in that. However, this is not a 100% clear case, clear sigcov is not apparent from a 5 min scan of searches pre-2020 though a few RS articles that are more than a name drop pop up. --Masem (t) 05:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

There is currently more coverage on the PogChamp emote's evolution than about Ryan Gutierrez himself, at least as of the PogChamp article's status. Additionally, PogChamp is one of few significant examples that has made a considerable impact on Twitch's services and gaming communities in general. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The Kappa emote is, arguably, by far the most impactful and important emote in Twitch history, and it's not notable enough for an article. That gives me heavy doubt that PogChamp is notable enough, since by any measure it was less used or relevant, and only gained serious attention due to the actions of Gootecks and its subsequent descent into controversy before being replaced entirely._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

That is true, but where should the information about the Gutierrez's incident fall under? Probably nowhere except that article, as he is quite tied under the emote. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 04:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Nowhere, since WP:NOTNEWS, besides maybe Wikinews. If the incident with him later becomes something larger involving him, then it would belong on Wikipedia (probably under an article about him, rather than the emote)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps PogChamp could be merged into an article on the Culture of twitch.tv. Notability for Twitch's culture should be given, there's research like this paper on Twitch's chat, this other paper on chat and this paper on game culture. LenaAvrelia (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the article should remain separate, but an article on the Culture of Twitch would probably be a good idea. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:09, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Isn't this discussion over? I would vote to keep, since the article looks notable and huge now. 49.151.173.220 (talk) 06:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Keep per 49.151.173.220. curcle. talk. 02:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Nah, no need. PogChamp and Twitch should remain separate articles. Outrunno (talk) 14:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

24toonenata (talk) 17:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC) i don't see how a single emote is important or relevant enough to add to this page

Keep: Article is huge, well-sourced and notable, think we should be rid of this discussion now. EthanRossie2000 06:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

• I've removed the {{merge to}} tags from both pages. This discussion doesn't look like it requires a formal closure, nor does it look like there's still significant remaining support for carrying out the merge. Elli (talk | contribs) 09:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Navbox of Twitch?

Do you think there's enough articles on Wikipedia for a suitable navbox of Twitch? I think it's doable, although I have a gut feeling there might not be enough articles about Twitch itself to warrant a navbox. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 03:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: perhaps? I wouldn't be opposed to its creation. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:09, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Elliot321: Is there a list of suitable articles related to Twitch that I could add to the navbox? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: perhaps List of most-followed Twitch channels and the channels listed there (the ones with pages, ofc)?

a "culture of twitch" overview article would also be good (maybe I'll make it? or you could). PogChamp, of course - though that might be merged here - hopefully not. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 00:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Elliot321: All right. I made Template:TwitchNav, but it looks definitely incomplete and quite disorganized frankly. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: yeah, good start though - the categorization of pages in these isn't always the easiest. I'll try to work on it some later - kinda busy today. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 01:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Possible addition of Historical timeline of the most subbed twitch streamer

I would like to add a historical timeline of the most subbed twitch streamer which was removed because it was unsourced (I don't blame you for not removing it because I forgot to source it)

The video that I watched to make this graph (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofJQ0VxKVWo) sourced https://twitchtracker.com and https://socialblade.com, but didn't source how the research was done (outside of using excel). I don't know if that is a good enough source though but I recall a bunch of streamers have reacted to the video when it came out to they seem to trust it. Below is the timeline.

Timeline

Timeline of the most-subscribed Twitch channels (October 2016 – present)

--Righanred (talk) 00:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't exactly see how this would be useful for the article. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that is not a reliable source, really. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I like the idea of adding a history of top Twitch streamers throughout history, but a more reliable source should be used instead. Additionally, whether this type of Twitch user popularity stuff is significant or not depends on secondary reliable independent sources. If secondary reliable independent sources state the importance in the role of having ranking Twitch users in terms of popularity, then having this type of section would be nice to have. Unfortunately, as Elli pointed out, that source is probably not reliable. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Twitch and Curse(Forge)

Twitch no longer owns Curseforge (aka Curse), however I'm not sure if this is already mentioned in the article or not (it's not in the lead but maybe it doesn't belong there). IF it's not mentioned in the article could someone add it? A source we could use could be the same one on Overwolf stating that they now own Curseforge after buying it from Twitch. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

After reading through the entire article, it is mentioned, however it's at the very bottom and is interestingly part of its own subheader instead of under the Amazon Subsidiary subheader. Would it make sense for this to be changed? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Include Softcore Porn in the description

I think with the current state of Twitch it should be included, that there is also a huge softcore porn part of twitch.

For example: "Twitch is an American video live streaming service that focuses on video game live streaming, including broadcasts of esports competitions, and softcore pornography."

If you look at Chaturbate, which is also a streaming site, the initial description is also more direct: "Chaturbate is an adult website providing live webcam performances by individual webcam models and couples, typically featuring nudity and sexual activity ranging from striptease and erotic talk to masturbation with sex toys that is often highly explicit."

- Why was this deleted? Go to Twich and filter by "IRL". Its a Softcore Porn site. Just look at it. Why do you say "unsourced insinuations" in the undo edit comment, when it is right there on the site and this is the "talking" section, where we can discuss edits to articles? Also look at this: https://hugelolcdn.com/i/750425.jpg

- Someone reverted this discussion again without reason. 147.161.165.78 (talk) 13:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Speaking to the inclusion of "softcore porn", such material is against Twitch's Terms of Service, nor is the type of material they actively promote compared to video games and esports. It would be improper to call it that in a lede statement. But it would be not unreasonable that if there were sufficient reliable source complaints about the amount of softcore porn that the site has on it to have a section about that later in the body. --Masem (t) 14:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Even though it is not in the terms of service it is a part of the site. Maybe a paragraph will be a good addition in the body. 37.138.102.190 (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

For example, I've not done any research on it but I know they had to add in their "hot tub rules" recently, which I'm sure is related to streams being close to softcore porn. [1] and thus yes, there is likely a place for issues related to content moderation and how Twitch has had to act on them. --Masem (t) 13:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Follower and Animated Emotes

Under 'Emotes': On June 17, 2021, Twitch released animated subscriber emotes to all Partners on the platform and announced it is planned for Affiliates to have access to this type of emotes by the end of 2021. On June 28, 2021, Twitch released follower emotes to select Partners and Affiliates, which are specific to the channel that you follow and are only available in said channel. Andrew654667 (talk) 09:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

References

Twitch Data Breach

It looks like there has been a significant data breach

Are there any reliable sources available?

To my knowledge, there is not yet a statement from Twitch. DanielJohnStevens (talk) 13:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

It is already included in the history section (reported by RSes) There are some claims it may not be wholly legit. It may be due for more expansion depending on how it developed but it is present already. --Masem (t) 13:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I missed it because I expected it to have a separate section

I've updated it slightly

I do think it would be worth expanding as more information becomes availableDanielJohnStevens (talk) 13:50, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2022

The statement “and had an advantage over YouTube Gaming, which was shut down in 2018.” should be edited to “and had an advantage over YouTube Gaming, which shut down it’s standalone app in May 2019.” YouTube Gaming did not shut down. YouTube announced in 2018 that it’s standalone YouTube Gaming app would be shut down, and in May 2019, the app officially shutdown and it’s features were integrated into the YouTube app.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/27/18641413/youtube-gaming-standalone-app-shutdown-may-30th

www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/youtube-gaming-app-shuts-down-may-30/

http://techcrunch.com/2018/09/18/youtube-to-shut-down-standalone-gaming-app-as-gaming-gets-a-new-home-on-youtube/amp/ 2600:1011:B01F:3C51:8CE0:F0C4:3DF0:E34D (talk) 14:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

.tv domain info

Hello. I want to add (and think it would be a good addition to the article) a paragraph or two about the ".tv" domain, and how it's the ccTLD of Tuvalu. I don't know if it warrants, or if I have enough information for, a seperate pargraph, so I was thinking I could put it under early development. Champ9642358 (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Add the following text in the timeline

Hi, Please add the text in the timeline:

"In May 2015, Twitch bans AO-rated games from streaming or broadcasting on the service, and any game that has excessive amount of violence, language, themes, drug use, and content that may not be appropriate for all ages also was banned from streaming or broadcasting on the service. The service, simply put, "AO games are not welcome on the service." Please provide references or notes if possible.

Thank you :)

Yours since, Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 01:26, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2022

Under Content -> Emotes, a sentence reads "Twitch plans to ask the community..." This should be altered to be past tense, as the community choice has already occurred, as stated a few sentences later. Hakewut (talk) 20:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done EnIRtpf09b^{chat with me} 07:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Criticism/Controversy section/potential article?

Twitch has received fairly continuous criticism from both content creators and third parties. Would it be prudent to add a section containing a sort of abridged history of the criticism and how Twitch has responded? We have an entire article of criticism towards Google, Facebook, Amazon, even Wikipedia itself, it seems Twitch's similarly monolithic status in the industry might warrant some dedicated space to discuss problems it faces. HeptatonicScale (talk) 02:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Technology and Culture

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Justinsmithtechfall22 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Justinsmithtechfall22 (talk) 06:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA22 - Sect 200 - Thu

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 September 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rt2510 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Rt2510 (talk) 00:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Change Twitch (service) to Twitch Interactive (company) where necessary

Just a reminder here as I currently lack the patience to do so myself. Pneen (talk) 10:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Drops

The article could do with some info on Twitch Drops. Here's a starting point:

Drops are in-game rewards for watching content or channels. It requires users to connect their Twitch account to their game developer. Some games that have had or have ongoing Drops promotional campaigns include Dota 2, Guild Wars 2, and World of Warcraft. Pneen (talk) 04:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2023

OfficialNightSkull (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I want to put something new update on here

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 16:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2023

Add to: Amazon subsidiary (2014–present)

Twitch also banned simulcasting to other Twitch-like platforms for all creators: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/twitch-tos-update-bans-everyone-from-multi-streaming-on-twitch-like-platforms-2169439/ ReneSander (talk) 19:32, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

The rules have since been reverted, apparently, I'm assuming this is among them? ASpacemanFalls (talk) 08:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

This rule has already existed. Plus Dexerto is not considered a reliable source by the Video Games WikiProject. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:52, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2023

Start the subsection on esport within the section content with a reference to Twitch.tv's central role as an actor within the esport ecosystems. Then continue with the existing examples.

That is, change "ESL tournaments have aired on Justin.tv and later Twitch.tv since 2009." to "Twitch.tv has been a central actor in the esports ecosystem. . For example, ESL tournaments have aired on Justin.tv and later Twitch.tv since 2009." 134.95.10.103 (talk) 15:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done Cherrell410 (talk) 21:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I undid this because the IP editor failed to disclose they have a COI with respect to the cited source. - MrOllie (talk) 14:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2024

---Change the following line:--- The new rules include a ban on 'racist emotes', though the list of such emotes is not clarified yet, and imagery containing the Confederate Flag.

---To the following line:--- The new rules include a ban on imagery containing the Confederate Flag, and 'racist emotes', though the list of such emotes is not clarified yet. Jakj3m (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 20:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2024

Twitch just got blocked in Turkey because of illegal gambling lol. Please fix. Micraiamanxd (talk) 15:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 15:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)