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Is it appropriate to refer to Miriam as a 'she' when he/she still has a penis along with being born a man?

Whats happend?!Edit

Where has her new website gone? Has her new carrer crashed and burned before it even took off? Her website domain has been squatted. Theres no trace of anything on the internet. Her myspace has been left redundant. And theres no trace of her new management anywhere! Does anyone know anything?

Well assuming what you say is true... You do understand that here on WP all we can do with a biography of a living person is piece together the most authoritative sources we can. When sources of almost equal authority conflict there is little that can be done. The best we can do is to discuss these matters. Then come up with the best version of the facts we can. If the living person has an issue then they themselves must log in here, show us proof they are who they say they are, then we will do whatever they want.
i.e. A while back Calpernia Addams wanted her article deleted. A vote for deletion failed by a landslide. So the best I can do for her his monitor her article and keep out as much personal info as possible. If asked, by Miriam, I would do the same here if a vote for deletion were to fail, which I doubt it would. Far less notable people than her have WP articles. --Hfarmer (talk) 23:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking at your edits I see you removed something that has citations to back it up the fact that attack happend. :-(. You also removed some unfounded rumor. :-) You also added your website to this page W/o offering us any proof of your officialness or relationship to/with Miriam. I am not calling you a "liar" but you realize this is the anonymous internet. We don't know you or your veracity. Yet WP asserts that it is a digest of the facts on a topic. Right now no independant party can confirm what you are saying.
IMHO the fact that she was attacked and has recovered completely is not something to be ashamed of. It shows strength and character in what world are those bad things? Let the one who attacked her be ashamed.--Hfarmer (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I mean heck anyone who tries to read her she can say to most other Ts's. "Girl I fell four stories and still look better than you with all your surgery."--Hfarmer (talk) 23:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
All I am asking you to do is to abide by the rules of this website. Look at the history of the article "I" did not create it. Though I have taken it as a project to keep it as accurate as I can. I cannot watch it at all times but there are other editors who can do that as well. For you to make assertions is all well and good. But that is all you have done so far is assert assert assert that you have inside information and contact. I say "prove it".
As for my writing that she has "recovered completely" from seeing a recent picture of her at a party she looks like she has recovered about as much as a person ever does from such a disaster. Perhaps you take issue with my wording...I don't see how that leads back to supporting your arguement that you as Miriam's spokes person should have have the same privillages as the subject of the article herself would have.

Just which claims are you talking about? On the recovery thing you have a point I'll grant you. But what else? Her filmography? We have references that prove that. Her early life story? That comes from interviews she granted the press.
Looking at the history of the article I notice that some people slipped in things about drugs or jumping into the section that describes her recent attack. Those have happend before and when I come here I check for that. I just haven't had time to do WP lately so those stayed there for a while. As you have noticed anyone can edit the wikipedia and add whatever they want. We have policies that justify removing spurious matterial. Those same policies say that you have to present proof for your claims. You are not above them.--Hfarmer (talk) 11:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Giving up just when it seems that by your edits you have started to get it. If you think it is accurate to say "still recovering" I can roll with that. You also see my point about including some indication that she did not die....which is what most people would assume if you just write "so and so was thrown out of a 4th story window." Good good job. Now if you would only look at the appropriate wikipedia policy on external links. WP:FANSITE. All it says and all I say is come back with your link when you have some content on the page. Then we can evaluate that for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Them's the rules and I would enforce them even on my own mother. --Hfarmer (talk) 23:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, the her new website does look very much like a fan site. I notice it says on there that help is wanted to help improve it. I'd strongly suggest using any help that been offered. I can understand that if you are Miriam's manager then you'll be busy with her upcoming tour- use any help you can to sort out her site, seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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Revamping Layout as per automated peer reviewEdit

Looking at this article I can see it needs improvement. The draft we have now is the result of compromises just to get reasonably complete information on the subject. Which is what we have. However those of us who have edited this article did not pay much attention to layout and readability issues. So to get the ball rolling I am going to try to conform to the suggestions of the automated peer review tool (see above).

Since we have someone who claims to have more access to the subject I ask this of them if they are still reading this. Can we possibly get a better picture one taken for wikipedia and released under, preferably, a free use license such as the GFDL? So that we may have a clear image not associated with the TV program and in compliance with WP:IUP. Thank you. --Hfarmer (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The below is a revision as I propose it. What I have done to it is to impose chronological order on it. BLP articles that have been on the front page all follow a Chronological order.

/proposed new version--Hfarmer (talk) 03:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Last but not least it would fill out the article more if there were sources that could say something about. The pilot tv show "speed angels", her more on her non-adult modeling work or anything else that may be out there. --Hfarmer (talk) 04:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


It is Wikipedia custom to refer to the subject by his/her preferred pronoun, in this case "her" and "she". Don't change it without discussion. ... discospinster talk 05:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting new sourceEdit

I was revisiting this article to see if the she's had been turned to he' they sometimes are. Checking the net for any new reliable information I found this. "

Performing Translatinidad: Miriam the Mexican Transsexual Reality Show Star and the Tropicalization of Difference in Anglo-Australian Media DOI: 10.1177/1363460708100920. I am too busy to check all of this long doccument out myself but there could be some useful isnights in here. --Hfarmer (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progressEdit

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Requested move 1bEdit

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved to Miriam (TV personality). --BDD (talk) 23:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Miriam (entertainer)Miriam (reality television personality) – or Miriam (TV personality) or better suggestions. (unbundled as requested). This is the Mexican transsexual woman who appeared on the reality television shows There's Something About Miriam and Australian Big Brother 2004. Many possible categories, but not referred to as "entertainer Miriam" in sources. There's also the issue of confusion with the Cantonese singer Miriam Greatest Hits. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose – I don't understand the rationale. Are you saying she is more commonly referred to in sources as "reality television personality Miriam" than as "entertainer Miriam"? It seems both unlikely and irrelevant. Dicklyon (talk) 05:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
@Dicklyon: yes that's exactly what I'm saying: "reality television" Miriam compare "entertainer" "Miriam" -Wikipedia. That is the case so it is not unlikely. Why is how the subject of this article is described in sources irrelevant? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Obviously there are other options: "Transsexual reality star Miriam Rivera is a £300-an-hour escort" January 2010 but per WP:AT we're supposed to make some effort to give titles to articles that reflect sources, she's not called an "entertainer" in sources because she's not an wikt:entertainer. Sorry if the nomination doesn't sufficiently explain the rationale. Do you have a better suggestion? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
And iio's response did not answer my complaint. None of those google hits call her "reality television personality Miriam". Dicklyon (talk) 06:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay so Miriam (reality star) per Daily Mirror. Is that okay? or as Paddy Doherty (TV personality) since category prefers "personality" over tabloid headline "star". In ictu oculi (talk) 06:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support; "(entertainer)" is always a bad way to title an article, and all articles titled that way should be moved to another title. I suppose there will never be a consensus for moving certain present articles, but they are still wrong. (talk) 13:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support move to Miriam (TV personality), which is conciser. I disagree with the IP editor above, as some people are probably best described that way. She doesn't seem to be one of them. Red Slash 01:51, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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I am moving the filmography to the talk page as I have doubts if the Victoria listed here is the same as Miriam. (Victoria is mentioned as born in Brazil, while Miriam is borm in Mexico. It is possible that the original birthplace is changed to hide identity but I cannot confirm this on my own. I have found the refs which have been presented below. --DBigXray 14:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)



  1. ^ a b "Transsexual Beauty Queens Video Series | Androgeny". Retrieved 10 August 2019.
  2. ^ "Fox Reality to debut UK's 'There's Something About Miriam' October 31". Reality TV World. Retrieved 10 August 2019.
  3. ^ "Merlin's silent protest". The Sydney Morning Herald. 14 June 2004. Retrieved 10 August 2019.
  4. ^ "Transsexual Celebrity Look-A-Likes 2". Retrieved 10 August 2019.
  5. ^ "Transsexual Beauty Queens Unleashed". Retrieved 10 August 2019.
  6. ^ "Roy Alexandre's Transsexual Beauty Queens Superstars Volume 1". Retrieved 10 August 2019.
  7. ^ "There's Something Extra Special About Miriam (2008) | Adult DVD Empire". Retrieved 10 August 2019.

Sky OneEdit

The Sky One reference got borked, not sure who added it, but it is borked enough it is hard for me to fix. Kees08 (Talk) 06:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


We can't use The Sun as a source. --The Huhsz (talk) 12:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

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