Talk:The Mandalorian (character)

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the character named Din Djarin of the Star Wars television series The Mandalorian was partially inspired by Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name and the samurai films of Akira Kurosawa?
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I was unsure of what this should be titled, but made it in the same format as The Child (Star Wars character). HAL333 19:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 11 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 13:27, 19 December 2019 (UTC)Reply


The Mandalorian (Star Wars character)The Mandalorian (character) – That The Mandalorian is a Star Wars character is not something that needs to be specified in the title of this article, as there are no other series that have a character known as "The Mandalorian". "The Mandalorian (character)" is a much more suitable title for this reason. MacCready (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2019 (UTC)Reply


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Requested move 27 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Reply


The Mandalorian (Star Wars character)Din Djarin – The real name of the previously-unnamed protagonist of The Mandalorian was revealed in the season finale episode today to be Din Djarin. This name was leaked in the media in the past, but now that it's been officially revealed on the show, I think it's time we consider changing this article's title the character's actual name. Changing the name would also eliminate the need for the "(Star Wars character)" disambiguation, and avoid any possible confusion between the articles for the series and the character. And besides which, he isn't usually referred to as "The Mandalorian" in the show itself; he's much more often called by the nickname "Mondo". So I think there are several reasons it makes sense to change this article's title to Din Djarin. — Hunter Kahn 14:50, 27 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oppose. The name was previously linked incorrectly, despite his birth name he is most commonly referred to as "The Mandolorian".
Weak oppose. The standard is to title the article using the name by which the subject is most commonly known. Maybe his personal name will catch on, and if so the article should be retitled, but at this point, it's not at all the subject's "common" name. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per common name. -- /Alex/21 05:42, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Nobody in the actual show calls him "The Mandalorian", nor do most secondary sources discussing the show. The only reason the article about the character has this name is because it's also the name of the show. — Hunter Kahn 05:43, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
What characters in the show call him is not relevant. As for real-world sources, they certainly aren't referring to him as [looks it up because I've already forgotten it] "Din Djarin". -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per common name. 83.70.57.53 (talk) 15:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
    • JasonAQuest, Alex 21, Zxcvbnm and 83.70.57.53 since you guys are citing WP:COMMONNAME, can you elaborate on how it applies in this case? My contention is that this character is NOT most commonly referenced as "The Mandalorian"; in the show he is seldom called that as a name (though the term is sometimes used to describe his race/culture) and he was usually referred to as "Mondo" "Mando" before his proper name was revealed. And likewise, most reviews, articles and secondary sources don't refer to him by that name either. Given that, it seems WP:COMMONNAME wouldn't apply to "The Mandalorian", and in fact that keeping the title only creates unnecessary confusion and disambiguation issues with the show's Wikipedia entry... — Hunter Kahn 17:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • The average person off the street is not going to know or search for his name, as he is primarily known as "The Mandalorian" regardless of his real name. Similarly, Darth Vader is not titled "Anakin Skywalker" despite that being his real name.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:22, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Let's read the policy: Wikipedia "generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". Hunter keeps jabbering about what other characters in the show call him, but they don't count because they are not real (let alone "independent, reliable English-language sources"). But as a point of clarification, what they're sometimes calling him is not "Mondo"; it is "Mando", short for Mandalorian, in the same way that people will call someone whose name is a mouthful such as Michelangelo "Mike" or "Michael", or they might call a Japanese person whose name they don't know "Jap" or an Australian person "Aussie". Some viewers and commentators have picked up this as a nickname. Whether "Mando" is commonly enough used to qualify as the "common name" for the character, I'm not in a position to answer. But what they absolutely are not calling him is [looks it up again] "Din Djarin". (Or "Mondo".) -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Most of what you've said is correct, but please remain civil. Others reviewing the discussion can come to their own conclusions about Hunter Kahn's comments without the characterization of them as "jabbering". I probably would not have thought it worth mentioning if it were that alone, but you also used a term that is considered an ethnic slur in most countries. Dekimasuよ! 13:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
    • Thanks Dekimasu. Anyway, JasonAQuest, you seem to be misunderstanding or misreading my point. I'm not suggesting what the other characters call him on the show is the only rationale that should be applied here. I am saying NOBODY primarily calls him The Mandalorian. Not the characters on the show, nor other independent, reliable English-language sources that discuss the show or the character. Most reviews, for example, don't call him "The Mandalorian" so as to avoid confusing the character with the show; references to him are usually a mixed bag of Mando, the protagonist, the title character, the hero, etc. etc. And yes, some of them do sometimes him "The Mandalorian" too, but the point is there is no one single name that he is referred to by the most often, so your application of WP:COMMONNAME is misguided. My point was in the absence of such a common name, his proper name of Din Djarin might make the most sense to go with as an article title. But if most of the other participants in the discussion disagree (and Zxcvbnm makes a much more compelling argument than JasonAQuest does), then I'm fine with it being left as is as well. — Hunter Kahn 14:25, 29 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 27 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: procedural close. This proposal was already rejected less than 10 days ago. It can be revisited at some point in the future to gauge whether consensus has changed, but it is not appropriate to reinitiate the same discussion again immediately. Dekimasuよ! 13:24, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply


I instead propose that the page be moved to "The Mandalorian (character)", per the reasons you've stated with regards disambiguation, as there is no real reason to specify the franchise given there is no other franchise with a character by that same name. That he is called "Mandolorian" by outsiders and "Mando" by more familiar acquaintances is noted already in the page's opening paragraph. 83.70.58.23 (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Support. Per above. 83.70.58.23 (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Support. The current disambiguation is pointlessly clunky. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Oppose. This change was already proposed and a consensus rejected it. I also oppose "The Mandalorian" as a character name in general since he is almost never called that in the actual show. (It's usually just "Mando".) I think his actual name makes the most sense as a title. — Hunter Kahn 16:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per previous identical RM. -- /Alex/21 05:42, 28 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Possible move?

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The title for this article is slightly cumbersome. Should it be moved to The Mandalorian (Star Wars)? The page for baby yoda: The Child (Star Wars), is in the same format. What do you think?HAL333 07:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

The issue is that The Mandalorian (Star Wars) is likely to be confused with The Mandalorian or even the redirect The Mandalorian (TV series). This is not the case with The Child (Star Wars). Also, the show name by itself as a disambiguation is most commonly used for the names of individual episodes, as in "Enter Alexis (Dynasty)".— TAnthonyTalk 19:16, 5 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
Good point.HAL333 22:16, 5 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
But I actually just noticed the previous move proposal to The Mandalorian (character), which I would have supported. Technically the Star Wars is unnecessary disambiguation, as there are not and won't ever be other characters called The Mandalorian in other franchises. WP:NCDAB reads (in part):
3. Parenthetical disambiguation. A disambiguating word or phrase can be added in parentheses. The word or phrase in parentheses should be:
A lot of character articles seem to unnecessarily include the show/franchise, but we have Jon Snow (character).— TAnthonyTalk 16:13, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The Mandalorian (Star Wars). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 18:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Signet

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Hello, it seems like this article could use mention of the character not having a signet and then getting one based on the mudhorn creature. It seems like The Armorer has some signet-related content that could be mentioned here too. In the same vein, perhaps some mention of this character and The Child being a "clan of two". Possible sources include [1], [2], [3]. Pinging Hunter Kahn as the primary contributor. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

I don't think this has enough merit to justfy its own section. It's a plot point that doesn't have any supplemental details that affect the rest of the story. --GimmeChoco44 (talk) 03:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I agree that it does not need its own section. I think it should be woven somewhere in the existing sections, though, based on the aforementioned links. If the signet is to be covered anywhere among the set of articles, this is the best one. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 10:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 18 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 22:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)Reply


The Mandalorian (Star Wars character)The Mandalorian (character) – Since no one brought it up, according to this section of WP:NCTV, "If the character's name is the same as the show's title or if the character appears in many different titles, use Character name (character). Some Dude From North Carolinawanna talk? 22:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 10 December 2020

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Mandalorian (character)The Mandalorian (character) – "The" was removed from the article's title without any discussion. He is referred to as "the Mandalorian" in most media, not just Mandalorian. Also including "the" makes it clear that it's about a specific Mandalorian, and not just Mandalorians in general. JDDJS (talk to mesee what I've done) 00:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

The move from The Mandalorian to Mandalorian was a weird decision and I don't understand why it was done without any discussion either, since previous moves were made only after discussion and consensus. Din Djarin is known as "The Mandalorian" or Mando. Please restore "The Mandalorian" (either of The Mandalorian (Star Wars character) or The Mandalorian (character) would be fine. Even changing the page to "Din Djarin" would make more sense than this last move to Mandalorian (character). -- 109.79.83.218 (talk) 09:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

support the mandolorian is inconsise and it could just mean any mando
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I think that we should use a different image for the article. The image currently used shows him in his original armor. However, he only wore that for the first two episodes. By the third episode, he got new armor that he has worn in every episode since. JDDJS (talk to mesee what I've done) 00:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

The image with the old armor was the promotional photo that was widely used and available to all before the show was released. If you want to use a different image the hard part is choosing a different suitable image and getting the Copyright/fair use rationale sorted out. Ideally it would be another widely used publicity image. Also you will need to pick an image that other editors wont complain about so it needs to be a fairly similar headshot profile type picture. So if you're volunteering grasp the nettle and deal with hassle of the copyright process and difficultly of picking an image that people wont say is worse then please go for it (but it is such a hassle I wouldn't even try add a non-free image to Wikipedia). Good luck with that. -- 109.79.68.156 (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

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The character's real name (Din Djarin) has caught up. I mean, who calls him "The Mandalorian" now? The article title for Cobb Vanth is not 'The Marshal (character)'. So, I think that the article should by moved to Din Djarin.--Sudipto Surjo (talk) 04:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't think we're there yet. (Cobb Vanth is different, an already established character brought to live-action. Cobb Vanth was his name, The Marshal was only an episode title.) The characters in the show don't call The Mandalorian by his birthname Din Djarin, he gets called Mando mostly. You could make an argument for WP:COMMONNAME if Disney used the name Din Djarin more often but I'm not seeing it used for merchandise or anything like that either. The article title "The Mandalorian (character)" still seems like the best title for the page and it was repeatedly discussed and decided already. -- 109.77.210.114 (talk) 22:30, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Having been discussed in the past is not particularly relevant. The most recent was over a year ago and had been nearly a year when the argument was made. The character is referred to as Din Djarin in every other major wiki covering the topic, many general-purpose publications are using his name in article titles now [example][example][example], characters are referring to him as Din Djarin, and, most importantly IMO, he's no longer even A Mandalorian, let alone THE Mandalorian. Now, on that last point, that may be fixed any number of ways, so if that's the only argument anybody considers to have any merit then waiting to see would be valid, but it appears to me the growing prominence of his real name is at the very least at a tipping point, if not already past it. CamdenQ (talk) 06:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

In my opinion it depends on if you want Wikipedia to be for Star Wars nerds or for everybody. I've seen most of the movies and TV shows but never read any novels. So I might be called a fan but not super fan and the name "Din Djarin" only occured to me in a Wikipedia article and nowhere else. At first I didn't know who that is whereas "The Mandalorian" was well known to me. Actually I found it rather strange that he was refered to as Din Djarin all the time instead of the Mandalorian because noone calls him by that name. If you want to name articles after the "real" name or birth name of someone instead of the most well known name a lot of articles about celebrities would have to be changed as well. Or take Princess Leia for instance. Her article would have to be called Leia Organa because Princess is not her name but her title. But everybody knows her as Princess Leia so the article title is perfectly fine. And the same goes with The Mandalorian because everybody knows him as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.187.214.15 (talk) 11:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 9 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved – there is no consensus that there has been a definitive shift in WP:COMMONNAME from the soubriquet to given name to justify a move, unlike Baby Yoda/Grogu, not even to the point where WP:PRECISION applies. Also, I'm not convinced at the argument that "he's not even a Mandalorian any more" (referring to his expulsion from the covert in Book of Boba Fett); an entire subplot of season 2 was that the covert was seen as unnecessarily fundamentalist by other Mandalorian refugees. Sceptre (talk) 08:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)Reply



The Mandalorian (character)Din Djarin – The character's real name is growing to be more prominent, being referred to as such in both the primary and many secondary sources, especially after he's canonically no longer considered a Mandalorian. Unnamed anon (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

He is called Mando and The Mandalorian by Peli Motto and Luke Skywalker, but that's because they don't know his name. However, he is referred to as Din Djarin by The Armorer and Boba Fett, and also "The Mandalorian" is a misleading title for a character who isn't considered one by fellow mandalorians. Unnamed anon (talk) 02:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Also Fennec calls him Djarin. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 03:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
"The Mandalorian Din Djarin".
He isn't currently considered one by the Children of the Watch, of which there are only two people still alive other than himself: The Armorer and Paz Vizsla, but he still sees himself as one, living by the Creed and staying with Boba to fight in the last episode, primarily referred to as The Mandalorian. That plotline (The Mandalorian 2.5) was set-up for The Mandalorian Season 3, having his status restored. It is not the same situation as Grogu: we found out The Mandalorian's name in the first season finale back in 2020, and pretty much everyone calls him The Mandalorian or Mando. It is again like Darth Vader versus Anakin Skywalker. WP:COMMONNAME. 125.209.111.232 (talk) 10:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
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