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change ally in other variations acronym LGBTTQQIAAP to aromantic HeckithYouith (talk) 17:54, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I am proposing the editing of the title of this article to be more inclusive to the evolution of the LGBT(+) community. Many websites and persons use a variety of additions to LGBT. Below is a quote from the current article:
"The initialism LGBT is intended to emphasize a diversity of sexuality and gender identity-based cultures. It may be used to refer to anyone who is non-heterosexual or non-cisgender, instead of exclusively to people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. To recognize this inclusion, a popular variant adds the letter Q for those who identify as queer or are questioning their sexual identity; "LGBTQ" has been recorded since 1996. Those who add intersex people to LGBT groups or organizing use an extended initialism LGBTI. The two acronyms are sometimes combined to form the terms LGBTIQ or LGBT+ to encompass spectrums of sexuality and gender.[better source needed] "
I think it would be a good idea to at least edit the title from LGBT to either LGBT+ or LGBTQ+. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNocterum (talk • contribs) 11:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
@DNocterum: Thanks for your suggestion. This has recently been discussed at great length, and rejected for the time being. It may well be adopted in time, but it’s too soon at this point. Mathglot (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
The article cited doesn't mention "LGBTIQ" and I've never heard or seen it written that way before. There is some debate over whether intersex people are inherently LGBT, and queer is still seen as a slur by some in the community, but when the two are used together the letter 'Q' comes before 'I' - sometimes two 'Q's are used, but more often than not the extended acronym is simply "LGBTQIA+".
Can we please drop the Ally part in the QUILTBAG description? Yes, of course it is important to recognize that there are Allies out there, but let's face it: Allies don't face discrimination, and they are not actually part of the LGBTQ+ community. They are important, of course, but they are not technically LGBTQ+. Having the A for Asexual/Aromantic (the latter not being mentioned at all :/ ) shared with Allies is kinda an afront to ace/aro erasure which happens all around the places, as they are quite commonly overlooked and not being seen as part of the community. And the linked sources for having the A stand for ace + ally aren't really proper publications, frankly spoken. That point of looking at it isn't shared within the community.
I agree with you, but on Wikipedia, we document viewpoints weighed in proportion to their representation in reliable sources. Both versions of LGBTQIA with "Ally" and "Asexual" are used in reliable sources, so our article should ideally state that both are used. Qzekrom💬theythem 19:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
A contrived equivalence LGBTQ="Liberty, Guns, Bible, Trump, and BBQ" seems to be gaining some traction among U.S. right-wingers in 2019.,
By the way, long ago in the 1990s the BDSM community dealt with the problem of the acronym "BDSM" perhaps not covering all possible relevant variations by coining the humorous pseudo-acronym "BDSMNOP", where MNOP is from the alphabet song... AnonMoos (talk) 14:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)