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Challenging the history of the termEdit
The first sentence of section #History of the term currently says, "Before the sexual revolution of the 1960s, there was no common non-derogatory vocabulary for non-heterosexuality" but I don't believe this is accurate. The terms "sexual inversion" (for the state) and "invert" (for the person) were used in 19th century in medical references, and by the early 20th century, in popular literature, such as Well of Loneliness. The term uranian was also used, but it was never common, I believe.
Later in that section, there is the claim that the term homophile "replaced" homosexual in the 1950s and 1960s, but it never replaced it, they coexisted, with the latter being over a hundred times more common, and the former being relegated primarily to insider groups and entirely unknown to the public.
Something else that is not made clear by this section and perhaps should be, is that the term "heterosexuality" only came to be used as a counterpoint to the term "homosexuality" (both coined by translators of von Krafft Ebbing around 1892) and whose usage always lagged behind that of "homosexual". This is a standard type of development in language, where the unmarked term doesn't "need" to exist, until the variant is recognized and defined. The same thing happened with "transgender" (c. 1965) and "cisgender" (1990s).
Later in the section, it says that, "From about 1988, activists began to use the initialism LGBT in the United States," but U.S. usage precedes that. See for example, Nakayama (1980), and usage in scholarly articles trails activist usage. Mathglot (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- In addition, the term did not originally have any negative connotations; it was a term used in medical, psychological, and legal circumstances. The first two paragraphs of this section seem all wrong, and should be removed or rewritten. Mathglot (talk) 09:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2019Edit
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In the section 'Transgender inclusion', change 'The gender identity "transgender" has been recategorized' to 'The term "transgender" has been recategorized'. 'Transgender' is not a gender identity. For comparison, see the first line of the article on the term 'transgender': 'Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex.' Cyrridven (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2019Edit
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Another possible alternativeEdit
An elegant method I have been seeing on occasion that will stay put and not fragment as it gets longer is the capitalised term The Community, when the context is clear. Particularly it emphasises solidarity and is simple to expand to things like "The Community and allies" "The Community and fellow travellers" and so on . . .
Also, as I am sure everyone editing the article so far knows, sometimes there is the need in a sentence to reference the LG, or LG&B, or LGB&T and others where it is LGBT&Q, LGBTQ+ LGBTQ*, LGB[A-Z]* or what have you, those also plus I, A, another Q or a ?, P for Pansexual, P for Progressive Heterosexual, another P for Polyamorist, and some of the others mentioned, which in correspondence and so forth I just write it out completely as it is relevant to the case so that no one is excluded or the case is made unclear by including groups which are not in a certain case, like for example, the marriage issue in the United States and elsewhere has so far been LG&B, whereas for example a lot of allies already could get married, and polyamorists in some cases are working on marriage rights of another type, and it affects the T, Q and I folks in various ways too.
Another term I remember which has been around a bit longer is "Those Who Colour Outside The Lines" you know, something pretty admirable that most or all of the above do in many ways and make society better by so doing . . . S3819 (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2019Edit
Background: The Gay Rights Movement, referencing post Stonewall, developed separately from the Radical Lesbian Feminism (2nd to 3rd wave) movement. While the article includes information on both movements, "Gay Rights" morphed to "Gay and Lesbian Rights" under a wider encompassing. The article is unfortunately silent on when/how Lesbian became the first word in the acronym of LGBT, namely: The AIDS Epidemic.
Request for changes: Previous to entry "From about 1988, activists began to use the initialism LGBT in the United States." Please include that the cause of the name change, and ordering had to do with the AIDS epidemic, as experienced by the then, Gay Community. Many lesbians stepped up during this time, caring for terminal AIDS patients, because "...no one else is going to do it".
"Although identical in meaning, LGBT may have a more feminist connotation than GLBT as it places the "L" (for "lesbian") first." The citation for this line dates from 2004. However, material from 5 years prior, 1999, indicates an alternative narrative for why the term is LGBT, not GLBT. GLBT? LGBT? LGBTQIA+? What's in a Name? citing John-Manuel Andriote, author of Victory Deferred: How AIDS Changed Gay Life in America (Chicago 1999).
The two terms are NOT identical in meaning, nor is LGBT of a more feminist inclination. Lesbian lists first in the acronym due to the solidarity expressed to Lesbians caring for dying Gays.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- This is news to me, and afaik the terms were, and to a lesser extent, still are, used interchangeably, and mean exactly the same thing. Your "andymatic" link is a personal, self-published blog, summarizing or copying information from a Reddit thread. The article on the Medium open publishing platform is also personal observation and opinion, nothing more, nothing less. This doesn't mean that the information in either of these two sources is false, but neither is it reliably sourced, and it cannot be used on Wikipedia.
- I'll leave this request open for a bit, and message you on your User talk page. If you are able to list below several citations to reliable sources that attest to the truth of what you say (please read WP:RS to see what that means, in Wiki-speak), then we can talk about adding the material. But not before. If you haven't responded by, say, 4 September, then this request should be closed. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
While I have a San Francisco-centric view, I trace the morphing of the collective term as follows Gay -> Gay and Lesbian -> Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual (LGB) -> LGBT.
Citation reference on LGB: Wikipedia, LGBT_culture_in_San_Francisco  Unsurprisingly listed under 1980s and 1990s - the AIDS crisis and response with first use of the term "mid to late 1980s".
Mathglot, go ahead and close the request for the present. I don't have an immediate reputable source. As well, San Francisco represents only one of the LGBT cultural centers, more research would be needed in documenting when the choice of listing changed, and its presence at a national or global level.
For a future researcher, the names Maggie Rubenstein, and Susan Stryker appear to be linked (among others) to the inclusion of "Bisexual" and "Transgender"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:52, 30 August 2019 (UTC)