Talk:Killing of Yoshihiro Hattori

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Hello, I am the self-proclaimed "guardian" of this article - for the moment at least. I'm working on it right now - creating the foundation for a nice, tight and easy to read article and updating my sources as I'm making progress. I have a tendency to repeat-edit en masse, so please bear with me and refrain from hasty edits just now :) If you can help me by accessing the original court documents in LexisNexis, please let me know - otherwise I think internet articles and the Yoshi foundation homepage cover everything. Cheers! aeris 10:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Version

I found an interesting site by a person who claims to have read the LexisNexis records and gives a different version of the story (though a slightly biased one). You might be able to request the original LexisNexis information from him

zax 9:36, 24 October 2006

Time

One thing that is missing from this article is the time that the boys arrived.

Approximately 8pm. Reference added.--Muzilon (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Thesis

Are you still monitoring this page? I wrote about this topic for my thesis and reviewed all the court transcripts and conducted interview with the Haymakers, the Hattoris, Hattori's classmates, the D.A. Doug Moreau, L. Unglesby representing the Defense, the mayor of Baton Rouge, police officers, a juror and townspeople. I was very fortunate to have the assistance of an attorney in Baton Rouge in accessing all these people. It was a very moving case. I would have to look through old notes for the exact time; however, I know the boys arrived after 8pm and well before 9pm. Additionally, the house numbers were transposed, they were on their way to a Halloween party down the street. I'll add the time when I get ahole of my theisis. Katrina Kernodle-Walsh

Possible miscommunication due to language barrier contributing to the killing

I learned of this case from one of my psychology textbooks. It said that the victim, upon hearing "FREEZE!" thought the person meant cold (it was a cold October night) so he walked inside to get out of the cold, and got shot dead. I'll try to look for it once I dig out my old Psyc textbook. If it is the same case then I will add that bit of information to the article.--205.250.222.77 23:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I might have heard that. I think this episode may have partly inspired the Homicide episode "Colors"[1], but I'm not sure that's important.--T. Anthony 07:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Another theory put forward during the trial was that Hattori may have misheard "Freeze" as "Please" (as in "please come in"). Though it seems unlikely that words yelled in a hostile tone of voice would be mistaken as a warm welcome, even with the language barrier.--Muzilon (talk) 04:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Murder?

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Goes againist Wikipedia:NOTFORUM. Cwater1 (talk) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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I'm confused.. he purposefully used a gun to kill an innocent boy, but he wasn't given a life sentence (or executed)? Why not? I thought murder was punished by life imprisonment or execution.

When a kid walks up and rings your doorbell and you kill him that IS murder, right? I mean surely he didn't ACCIDENTLY point the gun at the kid and pull the trigger? If he did that by accident then I could see him getting off with felony manslaughter, but there's just no way that could have been an accident.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.37.218 (talk) 06:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if it is murder but it he certainly should be guilty of something. Then again the discussion page is really for improving the article not commenting on the situation.

--Mr link (talk) 10:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about. 32.219.174.104 (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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Bias in the article

I came to view this page in a roundabout way: A student that I helped here at the college cited the "castle doctrine 'law'" in a gun control paper she was writing, and I eventually looked at this Hattori Article from that page. After reading this Article a few times, I picked up a bias'ed vibe. It feels too much like the author and subsequent editors have a bias toward "favoring" Hattori and attempting to condemn the acts of Rodney Peairs. Even the fact that the Article is entitled "Death of Yoshihiro Hattori" rather than by the case name itself feels bias'ed.

In the law books I would guess it reads something like "Peairs vs. Hattori"? I think some editing needs to be done. The portions of the article that have been flagged "citation needed" alone show bias in my opinion.

--ErikVKing (talk) 00:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

On the contrary, I find it very neutral. The article is about the death, the reported details, and all that rekevant events that followed. Hattori vs. Peairs would only be the civil lawsuit. The criminal trial would have been U.S. State of Louisiana vs. Peairs. There were two separate court cases, a criminal trial and a civil lawsuit. Did you read the article to the bottom? The title is very typical of such cases. It can not be called "Murder of..." because murder is a crime, and nobody was convicted of murder. The article is about his death, and the events that occurred because of it. It is not limited to one trial. Perhaps you think the article is not neutral because it does not share your biases. - Boneyard90 (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

No. I have no bias whatsoever with this. As far as the title goes, it would be fine if all that was in the article was straight facts - but, in my opinion, it feels too much like a condemnation of Rodney Peairs. Many sections of the article do provide straight facts, but too many areas sound almost like the lawyer for the Hattori's wrote it. Beginning with the first section, where it says "...gregarious teen who played on his high school rugby team and loved fishing." (with no citation I might add). The sentence made me feel sad and begin to feel a wrongdoing occurred, and to hate Mr.Peairs. If this were an article about Yoshihiro Hattori, and not about the incident of his death, then this type of writing would fit. Perhaps I will try to edit the page some day, but if anyone else wants to step in and lend neutrality to the article, please feel free. --ErikVKing (talk) 16:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I have been tidying up this article over the last few weeks, removing unsourced material and adding proper references. I will therefore go ahead and remove the tags about lack of proper citations. As to whether the article is still "biased", I will wait to hear what others think.--Muzilon (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

"Fujio"?

There are a couple of citations to a "Fujio 2004", but no details as to what the source is. I can't find this source online. Does anyone know anything about it? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Looking through the article's edit history, it appears this refers to Rie Fujio, who is credited as webmaster of the Yoshi Coalition website. Unfortunately it appears some editor deleted Fujio's name from the footnotes with this edit without updating the other citations properly. In any case, the Yoshi Coalition site appears to be WP:SELFPUBLISHED (and the English-language translation is poor), so perhaps not an ideal source here. I will try to fix up the references.--Muzilon (talk) 04:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 06:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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Death of Yoshihiro Hattori → Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori – per WP:PRECISE; aligns with other WP articles about shootings in "stand your ground" and/or "castle doctrine" cases. Muzilon (talk) 00:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. The proposed main title header is appropriate in addition to the fact that Wikipedia does, indeed, have numerous other "Shooting of..." articles — Shooting of Michael Brown, Shooting of Philando Castile, Shooting of Jordan Davis, Shooting of Amadou Diallo, Shooting of Oscar Grant, Shooting of Akai Gurley, Shooting of Trayvon Martin, Shooting of Tamir Rice, Shooting of Walter Scott or Shooting of Alton Sterling, to name but ten. The less-specific form, "Killing of..." would still be more detailed than the current "Death of..."    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. I fully agree with Roman Spinner. The title Death of Yoshihiro Hattori is vague, as people die from all sorts of things. While this may not have been the intent of whoever gave this title, this title could be interpreted as evasive, as an attempt to hide the ugly truth that this unfortunate young man was shot and killed. The title Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori is edgy and uncomfortable, and I think that is 100% appropriate, because no decent person should be comfortable with the fact that Yoshihiro Hattori's life ended the way it did. I believe the mission of Wikipedia is to tell the truth, and sometimes the truth is uncomfortable, as it is here. If the truth is uncomfortable, the title should be uncomfortable. I full support this change.Lapisphil (talk) 02:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nomination and reasoning of User:Roman Spinner, above. The shooting is notable; that the victim died as a result is even more egregious but not the core issue here. -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support The subject is mostly known for the act of gun violence. While it could be argued that shootings don't necessarily lead to death, the gun violence appears to be center of controversy more so than the student's death. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 12:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support Consistent with similar articles, as outlined above. Layzner (Talk) 15:38, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support for reasons that others have stated above. Haxwell (talk) 16:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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"Aftermath"

It claims this incident was the reason the Brady Bill was passed, despite it being unrelated. The citations are also dead ends that do not explain how this ties with the Brady Bill MJV479 (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Several sources state or at least imply that Hattori's death gave momentum to the Brady Bill, e.g. this Japanese news site says Hattori's parents "contributed to the enactment of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act." --Muzilon (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

None of those cites are from the US. No offense to foreign sources, or to Hattori's parents, but we can't use these to support a claim related to legislative activity of the US Congress. If a reliable US source documents this, fine. Anastrophe (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Then the paragraph could be reworded to the effect that Hattori's parents became involved in gun control and supported the Brady Bill, as did Hattori's host family, the Haymakers. --Muzilon (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, that would be appropriate. Anastrophe (talk) 03:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've boldly rewritten the Aftermath section, adding that the Brady Bill was first introduced in 1991 (before Hattori's death), and the Bill's provisions would probably not have prevented his shooting anyway – which hopefully makes it clear that the Bill was not a direct response to the Hattori case. I've also added a quote from Walter Mondale that the Hattori incident likely influenced the passage of the Bill nonetheless. As a sidenote, the sources are contradictory on how many American citizens signed the petition – Kernodle (2002) says 1 million but the contemporary sources say 120,000–150,000, which seems to be the more likely figure. Comments welcome, and hopefully the "Disputed" tag can be removed once this is resolved.--Muzilon (talk) 10:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

In the absence of any feedback after nearly one month, I shall now go ahead and remove the Disputed tag.--Muzilon (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)