Talk:John McCain
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A1:Nothing is being covered up. This article is written according to summary style which requires that material in other articles is only summarized here in this article. The information about McCain's use of the term "gook" is discussed in the articles on John McCain 2000 presidential campaign and Cultural and political image of John McCain. Many other controversial remarks by McCain are detailed in the latter article. The "gook" comment was narrowly used by McCain with reference to the specific people who captured and then tortured him in Vietnam; McCain stopped using the term in 2000, and many Asians did not mind him narrowly using the term in the way he did. Singling out this remark for inclusion in this article would give it undue weight, and providing the necessary background and context would also take up too much space in this article. This issue was previously discussed in March, May, and June of 2008.
A2: As stated above, this article uses summary style; think of it as an executive summary of McCain. Much more information about McCain's life, military career, political career, and persona is included in the McCain biographical subarticles shown in the navigational box: Early life and military career of John McCain, House and Senate career of John McCain, 1982–1999, John McCain 2000 presidential campaign, Senate career of John McCain, 2001–present, John McCain 2008 presidential campaign, and Cultural and political image of John McCain.
A3: None of them. All such material (such as his role in the Keating Five, for example) is included in the normal biographical sections they occur in, in this article and in the various subarticles. Having a separate "controversies" or "criticisms" article or section is considered a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:Content forking, and WP:Criticism. A special effort was undertaken to rid all 2008 presidential candidates' articles of such treatment — see here.
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A5: The main article's presidential campaign section is intentionally brief. The subarticle John McCain 2008 presidential campaign has a much fuller treatment of the campaign and that is where most new additions should go.
A6: This article (like many others) uses the approach that there are no citations in the lead section, because everything in the lead is also found in the body of the article along with its citation. |
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Donald Trump is referred to as "President Donald Trump" in this article, while it should correctly be "Former president Donald Trump". 2003:C7:8739:C100:55F:FF9:D7D9:D7C7 (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Done Charliehdb (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Reverted Trump was president at the time. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:47, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
McCain's funeral should have its own article
editWith how huge and significant McCain's funeral was, and if RBG's death and funeral can have its own article, I don't see why McCain can't. Vinnylospo (talk) 06:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I think the section is greatly over-written. Note that all of it was added after the article was promoted to FA, as he was still alive then. If you want to make a separate article about the funeral arrangements, knock yourself out, but what is there now includes a whole lot of less important stuff and WP:RECENTism. Even Lenin's much more historically important funeral and lying in state is less than half as long as this bloated section. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Someone needs to take a hatchet to that section. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- We have several articles on notable funerals. But you may need to personally write one on MCain's funeral, as there seems to be limited interest by other editors. Dimadick (talk) 12:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Vinnylospo It is a good idea, I would be willing to write. FloridaMan21 23:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Vinnylospo Then a main article tag can be added to the funeral section. FloridaMan21 23:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that (1) this article is too long, and should be split, and (2) an article should be created about his funeral. Bearian (talk) 02:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have no problem with you splitting. Be bold. As for the Lenin article being shorter, it should probably be expanded, so that's no argument against a page for McCain. Relinus (talk) 03:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please clarify 2nd to last sentence in “John McCain” intro, as it reads if if McCain voted AGAINST the Affordable Care Act.
Please re-write : While McCain opposed the Obama-era Affordable Care Act (ACA), he cast the deciding vote against the ACA-repealing American Health Care Act of 2017.
By adding a few extra words you can make it clearer that McCain voted to RETAIN the ACA.
While the way it is currently stated is not incorrect- the vote to repeal the ACA was written in a double negative.
I just want McCain to be honored thru the years as the hero who came to vote against other Republicans- NOT to repeal it.. He voted to save Obama Care because Republicans didn’t have a better program to replace it with- and because Democrats had previously provided needed medical benefits to many US citizens by finally getting the Affordable Care Act passed into law. Friend80401 (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I changed "ACA-repealing" to "which would have partially repealed the ACA" (borrowing some language from the American Health Care Act of 2017 article). I believe this is clearer. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)