Talk:Jason Marquis

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Jason Marquis is the man! 12.208.68.102 20:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Cardinals championship team

Marquis was not on the World Series roster for the Cardinals. I question why it's appropriate to categorize him under "2006 St. Louis Cardinals World Series Championship Team". Vidor 18:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the category, as per [[1]]. Darwin's Bulldog 20:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

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After reading through the article, I'm going to have to fail this. There's good progress, but a lot more work needs to be done yet. Here's what needs fixing:

• The lead needs to be expanded (two paragraphs would be ideal).
• All quotes need to be cited.
• I'm seeing other sentences that should have citations as well that don't, as for which, I'd use the mentality of 'if you're not sure, cite it'.
• The minor league section is unreferenced, and given the time he spent there, should be expanded.
• The Atlanta Braves section is unreferenced.
• There's little on his personal life. A section with a few sentences would be nice.
• References need to be properly formatted; nearly half are bare links.

After all this is fixed up, then certainly it can be re-nominated. There's a significant enough amount that I'm not putting it on hold though. Wizardman 15:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Tx. I made a stab at a start, but clearly there is a lot more to do.--Ethelh (talk) 04:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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Retired?

We really have to follow the RSs like mlb.com, especially. When MLB.com recently reported a ballplayer as a free agent, we can't say "I think he is really retired, so I'm going to write that instead." Like here. --2604:2000:E016:A700:21D9:B6A8:652A:FE59 (talk) 23:10, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't recall exactly which policy its under, but if I remember correctly WP policy is athletes are assumed retired after 1 year of not being signed to a team. - Galatz^Talk 13:46, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't see that Wikipedia policy. I do see the policy that says: "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources ... The policy is strictly applied to all material in the mainspace—articles ... without exception, and in particular to biographies of living persons." It is WP:RELIABLE. Here, the mlb.com reliable, published sourced referred to him quite recently as a free agent. More than one year after he was signed to a team. So I would think we follow the policy, which means following the reliable published source, rather than another policy we cannot find or our own feelings. --2604:2000:E016:A700:D054:43F:5D5A:7DFA (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Many times players simply do not sign anywhere but they do not submit official retirement announcements.. thats why we consider them involuntarily retired if they havent played for a long period of time. Baseball Reference by the way includes a "last game" for him which means they consider him retired. [2] Spanneraol (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

One would think that mlb.com is considered the paper of record for baseball. And they state that he is a free agent, recently. We could guess why, but we don't know - whether it is because of his WBC pitching, or his personal statements of interest in pitching. It has to be better to go with the statement of the top RS, not with a contradictory "we consider" or an RS that is good but which is not the number 1 RS. --2604:2000:E016:A700:841D:7093:1E3D:9A5D (talk) 00:30, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

That is exactly why WP:PRIMARY exists - Galatz^Talk 19:03, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

If you wait for an official announcement then very few players would actually be listed as retired. You have to use common sense occasionally. Spanneraol (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Common sense says in my opinion that if the RS of major league baseball itself calls him a free agent, and he himself states he would be interested in getting back to pitching professionally, then a Wikipedia editor shouldn't substitute their own view (that he is really retired) for that of the player and mlb.com. Let's just listen to and mirror the RSs ... he has not pitched since x, he is a free agent, he says he would like to return and pitch professionally. That's all totally accurate, and does not mislead the reader.

As to wp:primary, I'm not sure how Galatz understands it, but it does not mean that mlb.com is not the best source for knowing whether a ballplayer is x (x being batting champion, retired, suspended); just as it does not mean that the US federal government is not the best source for knowing who won a federal election. 2604:2000:E016:A700:F559:6C19:3E5:ADC5 (talk) 02:10, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

That is exactly what it says. A secondary party should verify the information put out by the primary source. If MLB.com said someone had 2,154 career hits and ESPN.com and several other independent websites all said they had 2,153, I would expect WP to shwo 2,153. Just like here, the example given above has a secondary source verifying it. If a 75 year old former baseball player came out and said "I never filed my official retirement papers, I want all teams to know I am still willing to play if you will sign me", would you state that he isn't retired? - Galatz^Talk 13:18, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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