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Where to add the lyrics

I have the lyrics of Fantastic Baby, and I would like to put it here. 00:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)ThesenatorO5-2^{argue with me}

We do not add lyrics to Wikipedia. There are other sites for that like Genius etc.--Lirim | Talk 01:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Literally the very nomination before mine in the queue, so it makes a lot of sense to take this on! --K. Peake 07:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Remove Avex from the infobox, as that is not mentioned as being a label this was released under anywhere
• Wikilink T.O.P because the current target is a redirect
• "was released through" → "was released as a single by" with the target
• "the group's fourth extended play" → "the band's fourth extended play,"
• "was released on March 28, 2012 simultaneously with the group's fourth Japanese studio album with" → "was released on March 28, 2012, as part of Big Bang's fourth Japanese studio album of"
• "Musically, the song has been described as an" → "The song is an"
• Hip hop should not have a dash in it and mention hip house as a genre here too
• The part about the concept is not properly sourced in the body
• Swap the first and second sentences of the second para for the correct order
• "It was well received by" → "The song was well received by"
• Remove "the" before Rolling Stone
• Wikilink music video
• "K-pop group music video" → "K-pop group visual"
• Merge the third para with the above one, plus swap commercial performance and music video in the order

Merge  Not done, I generally find commercial performance and reception/music video info in their own paragraphs in the lead more organized

Nkon21 I guess you can keep these paras separate since the size isn't too small, but I still recommend to change the order of the content accordingly. --K. Peake 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• "and placed within" → "while placing within"
• Billboard Japan Hot 100 → Billboard Japan Hot 100
• "The single went on to sell more than 4 million digital units in the group's" → "It went on to sell more than 4 million digital units in the band's"
• 6.5 million units across Asia is not sourced; either mention this in the body or reword to 6.5 million units sold across Japan and China combined
• "it was certified 2x Platinum" → "the song was certified double platinum"
• Wikilink Recording Industry Association of Japan
• Remove the digital sales amount

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Background and composition

• "is described as" → "was described as" on the audio sample text
• No sources mention the concept being bold; there is one mentioning "anarchistic", as I will identify later here. Also, add the hip house genre to the audio sample text.
• Are you sure there isn't any background info to add about the song, e.g. the change in sound or similar stuff?
• Target single to Single (music)
• "off of the group's" → "from Big Bang's"
• Add release year of the EP in brackets
• "was released alongside the Japanese edition of Alive" → "was released on the Japanese edition of the EP"
• "to the group's" → "to the band's"
• Remove comma before greatest hits title
• "was written and produced by" → "was written and produced by both"
• Add the International Business Times ref at the end of the above sentence, as it is the one that backs all of that up
• ""Fantastic Baby" has been" → "Musically, "Fantastic Baby" has been"
• Remove the anarchistic part from this sentence since that is about the song's theme, so belongs elsewhere
• Add mention of the hip house genre here per the Billboard 100 greatest boy band songs of all time
• Remove "full-on banger" because that is an opinion of how good the song is so provides undue weight in this section
• The aforementioned Billboard ref also says about the digital thumps and synth wails of the song, which can be wrote about in a sentence after the genres

•  Not done --K. Peake 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

It's in the 4th sentence of the second paragraph of Background and composition

• Regarding what I have said about anarchistic, you should mention in a sentence that the song has an anarchistic theme per International Business Times

•  Not done you need to do this to mention the lyrical meaning properly, rather than just a few lines --K. Peake 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• Both of the catchphrases should be mentioned per the five year anniversary ref, but keep the NME description in the same sentence while specifying which catchphrase it is focusing on

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Reception

• Retitle to Reception and promotion
• No fashion show performance is mentioned here; either find the appropriate source(s) to write about the performance or remove the img, as the sample and the img in music video section can be enough illustrations for this article
• "The single received critical acclaim upon release." → "The song was met with acclaim from music critics." with the target, especially since a lot of the reviews are post-release
• "one of the group's" → "one of Big Bang's"
• Wikilink K-pop
• "it as the first song" → "the track as "the first song"
• "with its then-groundbreaking" → "with it's [sic] then-groundbreaking"
• The ability to take "K-Pop to a whole new level" is not sourced, plus no info from [7] is currently written out here; maybe note how he says about the song having a "dynamic sound" and "swaggering" from the ref?
• Fix MOS:QUOTE issues throughout

• Nkon21 You missed quite a few of these; for a recap, this refers to where punctuation is inside the speech marks when it's not a full sentence. --K. Peake 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• Mentioned that it was included at number 27 on the 100 Greatest Boy Band Songs of All Time list
• "writing "this instantly" → "writing: "This instantly"
• "the band's part" and labeled" → "the band's part." The publication further labeled" since the quote is a full sentence
• Too many songs are mentioned after along with; only name a few and then state "among others" at the end of the sentence
• "in the American TV show Glee" → "in an episode of American TV show Glee,"
• Attribute the Billboard piece about the song's inclusion in the movie to its author
• "and was considered a" → "and considered it a"
• Wikilink music video
• "have been parodied several times; in particular by" → "have been parodied by"
• Make the ref col unsortable; take "Ghost Town" for example

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 01:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Awards

• You should give a brief overview of the most notable awards won by the song at the start of the section, plus write out the music program wins in prose since that is only two, which is not enough to warrant a table
• Target Gaon Chart K-Pop Awards to Gaon Chart Music Awards
• Remove the video awards from here, especially as they are in the later section anyway

 Not done I think that the table should list all the awards that the song (and MV) has received

Nkon21 Your addition of prose here is very good, but I object to the music video awards being listed here since they are not for the song itself, plus it is repetitive with them being included later on too. --K. Peake 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Doneɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 01:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)  Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Commercial performance

• "just charting behind the group's" → "charting behind Big Bang's"
• ""Bad Boy" and "Love Dust"," → ""Bad Boy", and "Love Dust","
• "The single was subsequently" → "The song was subsequently"
• "reaching 1,351,429 downloads" → "reaching 1,229,518 downloads," because that is the figure reported by the source
• "single of the year," → "single of 2012,"
• "Fantastic Baby accumulated over" → ""Fantastic Baby" had accumulated over"
• Add the appropriate citation(s) for the above sentence
• The first sentence of the second para is not sourced
• Remove target on Billboard
• "over 130 weeks on chart." → "over 130 weeks on the chart."
• Identify RIAJ by its full name of Recording Industry Association of Japan and put the abbreviation in brackets plus mention this was certified in Japan
• Remove the "one of only two..." part since it is unsourced
• "the song was certified platinum," → "the song was certified platinum by the RIAJ in the country,"
• You have not mentioned the peak position on Japan Hot 100
• "was certified 2x Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of Japan (RIAJ)" → "was certified double platinum by the RIAJ in Japan"
• Add a citation for double platinum

 Not done I don't why but I can't access the 2x platinum ref in the certifications template for some reason, I'm not sure if its just me, but even when I Command+F the ref content it won't show up.

Nkon21 I have added a refname to the table now for you and invoke it here, then you should be fine... also you haven't mentioned the first RIAJ certification was in the country. --K. Peake 20:58, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Music video

Production and synopsis

• Wikilink music video on the img text
• The text is not sourced or mentioned in prose; either back it up or change the caption
• Wikilink YouTube
• The release date is unsourced
• The abandoned warehouse location is not sourced
• Fix MOS:QUOTE issues throughout the section
• "and captured the fight" → "and captures the fight"
• "jewelled crowns, wearing dark make-up" → "jewelled crowns, among other accessories, while they have dark make-up on." since the hairstyles are unsourced
• "focused on the group's" → "focused on the band's"
• "and ultimately disband the group," → "and ultimately disband Big Bang,"
• "Big Bang's fans, who continued to defend and protect Big Bang" → "the band's fans, who continued to defend and protect them"
• Wikilink Taeyang
• "in the past." → "in the past year." to be specific
• The penultimate sentence of the second para is not sourced, unless I missed something

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Nkon21 You missed the abandoned warehouse issue. --K. Peake 21:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Reception

• "Kevin Perry from NME compared the group members'" → "Kevin Perry from NME compared the band members'"
• Remove wikilink on "Gangnam Style"
• "The Daily Telegraph recommended" → "the staff of The Daily Telegraph recommended"
• "Francois Marchand from The Vancouver Sun felt that "Fantastic Baby is" → "Francois Marchand from the Vancouver Sun felt that it "is"
• Target riot gear to Riot control
• Remove target on Billboard
• "claiming that the" → "with Peter Robinson asserting that the"
• "won the World Music Awards for "Video of the Year"" → "won the Video of the Year award at the 2014 World Music Awards" with the wikilink
• [26] should be solely at the end of the sentence after [25]
• "the MTV Video Music Awards Japan for "Best Dance Video."" → "the award for Best Dance Video at the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards Japan." with the target and wikilink
• Remove [49] since [50] backs everything here up
• Remove wikilink on "Gangnam Style"
• Remove the boy band part, as that is unsourced
• "and June 2017 respectively." → "and June 2017, respectively."

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Nkon21 Why is the boy band part still here? --K. Peake 21:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Because Psy and SNSD are not boy bands.

I added a better ref instead

Nkon21 That is fine, just remove the wikilinks on Psy and boy band, respectively, plus I will look through this article in full tomorrow now everything has been marked as done; it's late GBT. --K. Peake 21:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Credits and personnel

• Wikilink T.O.P

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Charts

Weekly charts

• Good

Monthly charts

• Good

Year-end charts

• Add the years to the captions for the tables

Tweaked ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Nkon21 The years should have their separate tables and add respective captions stating each of the two years. --K. Peake 21:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Sales and certifications

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Release history

• Format → Format(s)
• Remove the Japan release from here, as that was not a single; it was only part of the album

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

See also

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks moderately good at 26.5%
• Cite bigbangupdates as publisher/work for ref 3; you probably know better than me which is appropriate here
• Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 6
• Remove target on Billboard for ref 7
• Wikilink NME on ref 8
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 11
• Target DK Publishing to DK (publisher) on ref 12
• Ref 13 is a duplicate of ref 6
• Use the via template to cite YouTube on refs 15 and 43, only wikilinking on the former
• Cite Billboard as work/website instead for ref 17
• Wikilink Stereogum on ref 19
• Wikilink The Dong-a Ilbo on ref 20
• Wikilink Cyworld on ref 21
• Gaon → Gaon Music Chart on ref 22 with the wikilink
• Target Mnet to Mnet (TV channel) on ref 25
• Wikilink World Music Awards on ref 26
• Remove wikilink on Gaon Music Chart for ref 28
• RIAJ → Recording Industry Association of Japan on ref 36, citing as publisher instead
• Do the above for ref 37 too but with no wikilink
• Ref 38 does not display the weeks charted; cite Japan Hot 100 with a refname from the table instead
• Cite Mashable as publisher instead for ref 40 with the wikilink
• Cite M Wave as publisher instead for ref 41
• Wikilink Yahoo! Philippines on ref 44, plus cite last name followed by first for consistency
• Cite Travel CNN as publisher instead for ref 45, with the target to CNN
• Daily Telegraph → The Daily Telegraph on ref 46 with the wikilink, citing as work/website instead
• Wikilink Vancouver Sun on ref 47
• Wikilink The Guardian on ref 48
• Remove ref 49 since YouTube is not reliable for view count
• Cite Qobuz as publisher instead for ref 52
• Remove the publisher from refs 53 and 54
• Wikilink Billboard Japan on ref 57 and remove the publisher

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

External links

• Remove YG Entertainment from here

 Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this article may not meet most of the GA criteria, but it is not massively far off so a fail is not happening on my watch! --K. Peake 14:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

• Nkon21 You still need to fix the order for music video info in the lead, especially since it is currently not all together anyway. Also, mention the country for the first Japanese citation because it is not included even once in that sentence and add the double platinum certification per refname, plus in references you forgot to change Mashable to publisher. --K. Peake 07:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

  Kyle Peake, How should the lead be ordered? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 19:42, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

• Nkon21 Commercial performance should be followed by music video. Also, make sure you have added the other edits. --K. Peake 19:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

  Kyle Peake, *Accidentally edited logged out* Ok, I have reordered the lead to have the commercial performance first followed by the MV info. Also, I added the mention of the country and renamed the ref to "double platinum", as the previous name might come off as insensitive to some, and changed the parameter of Mashable to publisher. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:12, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

• Nkon21 You accidentally misplaced critical reception in the process, but I have altered this for you. ✓ Pass now, good job on implementing the other edits properly! --K. Peake 20:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that "Fantastic Baby" by Big Bang is the first music video by a K-pop boy band to reach 100 million, 200 million, and 300 million views, on YouTube? Source: Yonhap News Agency

Improved to Good Article status by Nkon21 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC).

• Good Article, well-written and carefully sourced. Consider linking Big Bang, K-pop, and YouTube in ALT0. I have a question--is this your first DYK nomination? Please ping me when you reply. HĐ (talk) 04:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

HĐ, This is my third DYK. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 22:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Then to my understanding there is no need for QPQ yet. The wording is quite convoluted. I suggest something like ... was the first music video by a K-pop boy band to reach 100 million, 200 million, and 300 million views on YouTube? What do you think? HĐ (talk) 16:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

HĐ, Yeah that works, as my previous one was a bit wordy. Thanks, ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 23:47, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I c/e'd the ALT myself (feel free to revert if it doesn't read right). Good to go. Well done, HĐ (talk) 03:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)