Talk:Dennis the Menace and Gnasher

Dennis's Jumper

The article claims it was knitted by his granny, however the Beano 70 years book says he "just started wearing it in one issue". Then showed a comic strip from 2001 (but drawn in the 1950's style) showing that dennis actually stole the jumper off somebody else, by "sending him on a trip to the moon" (actually a nearby pond) with a rocket powered by staken-up fizzy drink bottles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Felneymike (talk • contribs) 17:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Tone

The tone of the article really annoys me. It is not at all impartial, is championing Dennis like mad and showing the softie or whoever they are in a bad light just because he wants to. This is not a persuasive letter. Nobody cares about your opinion. Change it.90.200.193.147 (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Dennis's Father?

He's called Dennis's Dad not dennis's father, same with Dennis's Mum. Borb 19:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that. It was probably a hangover from the days when all the characters each had their own article (sometimes multiple articles), and that's the title someone put Dennis' Dad in. I've now corrected it, though, next time, feel free to make the change yourself! BillyH 20:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sources

Where does Pie-Face's name being Kevin come from?--GingerM 17:55, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't remember now. I know it was originally in the 'Pie-Face and Curly' article, most of which was nonsense. I'm sure I had a reason for including it in here, though...maybe it was revealed in one of the episodes of the TV series? BillyH 19:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Correct, the comic has never revealed Pie-Face's real name, but the TV show called him Kevin at least once. The entire series was reproduced in print form in now-defunct magazine Beano Superstars, so the name is canon. Digifiend 13:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophe

Does the comic regularly use the spelling Dennis's Dad (with an s) or Dennis' Dad (without)? I had regularised apostrophe use in the article, but now the article uses both sorts again. The web site www.beano.co.uk appears to use them interchangeably; I don't have access to the magazine. Michael Slone (talk) 04:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Michael, you don't live in the UK, New Zealand or Canada then? Anyway, it's usually Dennis's Dad. Digifiend 13:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC) I haven't read the Beano for a while. However I'm more concerned that in the article its been spelt "Dennis'ss" dad. - Bisected8 19:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Surnames

Does Dennis have a surname? He may not, but I'm pretty sure I've read that his enemy Walter has the name Simpkins. Can anyone verify this?

Anon, Dennis's surname is Menace! Digifiend 08:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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Spiritus Temporis website

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/dennis-the-menace-(uk)/ seems to have copied extracts from this article. It's not a wiki, so it's probably a breach of Wikipedia's copyright. Seems to apply to a lot of other Wikipedia articles as well. Digifiend (talk) 12:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Terry Wigon/Terry Wogan

Somebody (not logged in) changed Terry Wigon to Terry Wogan. I don't think this was a spelling mistake, The Beano often uses parodied names. I'll have to check the annual in question, but I think Wigon was correct. Digifiend (talk) 10:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone redid the link, but got the visible name and link the wrong way round. I've fixed it. Digifiend (talk) 13:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Weedy Walter

In earlier stories, Walter is referred to as "a weed", rather than "a softy". Any ideas when the "softy" tag started appearing? (83.20.166.163 (talk) 10:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC))

The real Dennis the Menace

"Now the real-life inspiration for Dennis the Menace, one of Britain’s favourite cartoon characters, has been revealed for the first time. He is Robert Fair, a former navy officer from Dundee now running a garage in New Zealand. Fair’s father was friendly with Davey Law, the cartoonist who created the character for The Beano comic, and he was a frequent visitor to the Law home as a child.", The Times, 4 Oct 2009. --Mais oui! (talk) 22:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

I propose we merge the Dennis the Menace (Beano Character) article with this one because they largely deal with the same subject matter. On a similiar note something could be done with the Gnasher articles Gnasher and Gnipper, and Gnasher's Bit(e) redirect to the Gnasher article but Gnasher's Tale doesn't. I think it would be wise to have just one article about all three Gnasher related comic strips. That should probably be discussed on the Gnasher article but the views on this merger may be relevant to that as well. Eopsid (talk) 18:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The Gnasher proposal discussion also redirects here because the merger proposals are both for characters who originated in the same strip this article. Is about so those with a view on one merger would likely have a view on both. Also reasons for Gnasher's Tale merger all other Gnasher strips redirect to Gnasher (Beano Character) and Gnasher's Tale is quite stubby. On another note another reason for the Dennis the Menace merger is because Dennis the Menace (Beano Character) is quite a new article (April 2011). Eopsid (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

There's no need to debate merging Dennis the Menace (Beano Character) - it's a duplicate article. I'll make it a redirect, and any useful material can be transferred her from the history. Incidentally, I've also moved this page back to "Dennis the Menace (UK)", because "Dennis the Menace" was it's original title and the name it's best known by. Besides, the strip in the Beano is now just called "Dennis and Gnasher", so "Dennis the Menace and Gnasher" is out of date. --Nicknack009 (talk) 06:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Although it was said to be merged, I see no information of Dennis the Menace (Beano Character) used on this page. The article gave a very detailed history on the subject matter and I feel it deserved at least a merge rather then an all out delete. Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC) I think the sixty second dennis article should be merged into this one because that strip was pretty much an extra dennis and gnasher strip in the same comic but shorter and with a different nam. Also the sixty second dennis article itself is pretty stubby has the unreferenced tag. All the information from it would fit niceley in the section about the 2009 Dennis Revamp. Eopsid (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Here's the history of the character article. The information's all still there to be merged into this article. --Nicknack009 (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Nick Nack. I've merged the history section but it does need a bit of a clean up. I'll try to do my best when I have time but if I could get some help that would be greatly appreciated. Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as how no-one expressed opposition i have merged all the articles relating Gnasher strips into one article. Eopsid (talk) 19:20, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

No one has opposed Sixty Second Dennis merger so i have merged that as well. Eopsid (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

An independant page for the character

Seeing as the character is a national treasure in Britain, similar to America's Mickey Mouse, I feel the character is deserving of it's own article citing personality traits, physical appearance and, more importantly, appearances outside of the strip. I attempted to make this but, I must admit , it turned more into a history of the strip rather than the character itself. American cartoon characters such as Garfeild, Charlie Brown and the US Dennis the Menace all rightfully have their own individual pages. Why doesn't Dennis? Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I know this was almost 11 years ago, but since you are still active on Wikipedia, I very agree wit your statement. If Gnasher, Walter and Bea can have their own pages, then why in the world does Dennis not have his own page? Thomasfan1000 (talk) 15:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Thomasfan1000: If you ask me, this should be/is meant to be Dennis' page, but many want it to be about the comic strip, even though Dennis has appeared in other strips outside of his own. It's why I put the titles of Dennis' other comic strips in the infobox because he's not a one-strip character. —MonkeyStolen234 (talk) 00:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

It's very confusing. As this page is called 'Dennis the Menace and Gnasher', meaning that it includes Gnasher. Maybe this page could be about the strip, but we could create another page about the character, so it can be less confusing. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

There was such a page Dennis the Menace (Beano Character) but it was merged into this one 10 years ago. The discussion is here: Talk:Dennis the Menace and Gnasher#Merger Proposal. I created the merge proposal (but didn't do the merge) but honestly remember nothing about it and only realised I did when you start discussing it again here. I think the rationale was that it was mostly a duplicate of this article. Eopsid (talk) 09:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I see your point. Maybe we could possibly recreate that page but try to make it different from the strip. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest adding a section for the character to this page and then once that's good enough split it off to its own article. That way there wont be any duplication. Eopsid (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: page moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:21, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Dennis the Menace (DC Thomson comics) → Dennis and Gnasher – This article is about the comic, which is titled Dennis and Gnasher, and has been since at least 2010. Before that it was titled Dennis the Menace and Gnasher. It has not been titled Dennis the Menace for decades, and has long been known as Dennis and Gnasher in international markets. This is also a much better disambiguation, as "(DC Thomson comics)" does not make it clear whether this is about a character or a comic, or which character or comic (unless I'm the only one who would expect "UK" or "Beano" as a disambiguator, instead of the more obscure parent company, D. C. Thomson & Co.). The title Dennis & Gnasher was used for the 1996 animated series, as well as the 2009 series, (both of which were based on this comic, and are already disambiguated, so there is no primary topic issue). ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 08:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Well reasoned, and it may open the way for Dennis the Menace (U.S. comics) to take the base name if it's deemed unlikely that readers would look for the UK Dennis under that name. Powers ^T 14:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't think it is unlikely that readers would look for the UK Dennis under the name "Dennis the Menace". The change to "Dennis and Gnasher" is fairly recent, and very few people seem to have noticed. The character has been known as "Dennis the Menace" for generations, and is a pop culture icon under that name. Just about anyone in the UK, faced with someone dressed in a black and red hooped jersey, will say "you look like Dennis the Menace". If we're going by Wikipedia's policy of using the most commonly used name, I'd have to oppose any change to "Dennis and Gnasher". --Nicknack009 (talk) 09:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose The 1996 animated series was not called Dennis & Gnasher but Dennis the Menace and Gnasher (I have the DVD in my room and also this link). Also the comic strip has spent more time under the title Dennis the Menace than any other title and I would imagine most people would refer to the strip as Dennis the Menace rather than Dennis & Gnasher. Eopsid (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

  You are right about the first season/series of the 1996 animation being released in the UK under the title "Dennis the Menace"; as far as I can tell, the second season/series of that animation was titled "Dennis and Gnasher" (my video link above, as is referenced in the first comment of your link), as were most (not all) of the subsequent DVD releases of that production. Searching DVDs at Amazon.co.uk, "Dennis the Menace" returns mostly DVDs based on the American comic and DVDs based on the UK series that are titled "Dennis & Gnasher", including those based on the 1996 series. Regardless, even if the best possible title for the article was Dennis the Menace, that title is not an option. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 00:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

• Strong support to move Dennis the Menace (DC Thomson comics) to Dennis and Gnasher per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:Official name. --→gab 24dot grab← 21:36, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was moved. No opposition after over a month of listing. --BDD (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Dennis and Gnasher → Dennis the Menace and Gnasher – This is the current name of the comic strip (what the article is about). It was also the name of the strip for a long period from the 1970s to around 2009. Sources for this being this week's Beano and some other old Beanos (the 1980 annual and a comic from 2003) which I just checked. --Relisted. Tyrol5 [Talk] 01:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC) Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:48, 14 February 2013 (UTC) Eopsid (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

• Comment someone needs to update the logo in the infobox. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 02:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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"Coincidentally"? I doubt that

When noting that there was a comic with a nigh-identical release title (that is to say, the titles were identical at release), the article refers to the correspondence as coincidental, but I doubt that it is truly coincidental, even as close as they are in release date. Is it possible that the one released in America happened to be read by the author of the other, and then incorporated into the design of the British one published in the next available issue (which would explain why there are a few days, but not over a week between release dates)?--Macks2008 (talk) 23:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

They were both published on the same day. 2A00:23C8:8F9F:4801:6973:39B7:25E9:8D3A (talk) 20:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Dennis the Grandson

After attending a talk by Nigel Parkinson at the 2015 Glasgow Comic Con, he noted that they'd done a story in recent years revealing that the current Dennis is the grandson of the original (including some red-tone homages to the 1950s strips), to explain the design changes of Dennis' Dad and so on (he also said that they had "three Dennises", implying that the current Dennis' Dad was also a Menace at one point). Does anyone know which issues this ran in, since this isn't currently reflected in the article? - BrainiacBlink (talk) 16:55, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

The page states that " It was later revealed in 2015 that Dennis' father was the original Dennis the Menace from the 1980s in issue 3932" However, issue 3932 was published in 2018 and does not feature this reveal. Could someone please correct the issue number? I'd really like to know the issue it happened in! 140.228.55.70 (talk) 17:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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The Beano's Dennis the Menace and Gnasher Show

On the discussion concerning the merger of The Beano's Dennis the Menace and Gnasher Show with this article the claim that the series was shown on CITV was challanged by myself and at least one other contributor. Given there is not a source cited for this, I would suggest that this claim is removed. Dunarc (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

The Smasher

Dandy #1377 (April 13, 1968), Smasher gets a pet dog for his birthday that is quite ferocious and as big a menace as he is. The dog did not stay though.(185.181.236.222 (talk) 10:45, 2 October 2018 (UTC))

Relationship to Minnie the Minx

The "Main Character" box lists "Hermione Makepeace (niece)". Is there any evidence for this or can it be deleted? If it turns out to be canonical we might need to add Vicky (Minnie's mum) as Dennis's older sister. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pastychomper (talk • contribs) 15:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Title

The strip is now called "Dennis & Gnasher": [1]. Why not also this article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd sat keep it how it is as Dennis the Menace is what the character is usually known as. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 10:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I would like to remind readers that according to WP:COMMONNAME Wikipedia articles generally use the most common name among English speakers for the topic in article titles and not necessarily the "official" name. However, unambiguous titles are preferred if the most common name is ambiguous. There is also Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English which states in the event of strong national ties to a topic to use that country's dialect (the formal dialect not colloquialisms) which in the case of the Beano character would be British English. It is argued that the reason this article is currently titled Dennis the Menace and Gnasher is because the main character has been known as "Dennis the Menace" to generations of Britons who are still likely to search for the character by that name and it is unambiguous from the American character. I ran a comparison on Google Trends, which keeps track of what people search for on Google and is a source recommended in WP:COMMONNAME to try to determine the most common name for a topic, and I found that over both the past year and past five years there have been more searches for "Dennis and Gnasher" on average than for "Dennis the Menace and Gnasher" although there have been much more searches for "Dennis the Menace" from within the UK but this does not distinguish between the British and American characters. Tk420 (talk) 22:22, 23 November 2022 (UTC)