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RfC on nearly identical sentence about writing letter to the Guardian opposing Scottish Independence in many articles

There are 149 articles on Wikipedia using the phrase "was one of 200 public figures who were signatories to a letter" with the surrounding context explaining that it was the letter in the Guardian opposing Scottish Independence from August 2014. Should this be included in articles as is? TartarTorte 13:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

• I feel that this is probably a notable part of someone's politics, so it should probably be in the page in some way; however, I have a concern about the very similar phrases appearing on the pages as they currently do. TartarTorte 13:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
• Many of these people are not really notable for politics. I'd say include if there are secondary sources discussing the person signing the letter, but not if the only source is the list of signatories itself. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for editor assistance at Talk:Duncan Bannatyne

Hi, WikiProject Scotland! I have started a discussion at Talk:Duncan Bannatyne in which I request your expertise. The comment concerns a claim, in the article since August 2011, that Duncan Bannatyne, a Scottish entrepreneur, was involved in the Glasgow ice cream wars of the 1980s. Thank you! _MB190417_ (talk) 18:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Scottish Parliament Building for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Desertarun (talk) 09:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Deborah Kerr

Deborah Kerr has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Glenfinnan Monument

I've posted this on the Glenfinnan Monument Talkpage but thought it might get a wider readership here. Our article on the monument claims that it is dedicated to Loudon's Highlanders. This doesn't appear to be cited and it's not mentioned in the Historic Environment Scotland entry, nor in the National Trust for Scotland entry, here. According to our entry on Loudon's regiment, they fought against Charles Edward Stuart, so I'm struggling to understand why the monument, often called the Jacobite monument, would be dedicated to them. Does anyone have a source/explanation that would clarify? KJP1 (talk) 08:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd agree, it seems contrary to cited facts and indeed to the rest of the article, not least it having been erected by Glenaladale. It was changed from a redirect to Glenfinnan to an article in its own right on 21st October 2021 but this fact was not one found in the parent article. Perhaps @Seasider53:, who created it as a separate article, could shed some light as to the source? Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Agred, though I checked back to see if I could find anything contemporary. The earliest published ref to it I have turned up is from 1822, and makes no reference to Loudon's - it confirms that this was the original commemorative text. "On the spot where Prince Charles Edward first raised his standard ... this column was erected by Alexander Macdonald Esq of Glenaladale, to commemorate the generous zeal, the undaunted bravery, and the inviolable fidelity of his forefathers, and the rest of those who fought and bled in that arduous and unfortunate enterprise". Andrew Gray (talk) 13:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for the responses, It certainly “feels” odd. I’ll wait to see if Seasider53 responds to the ping. KJP1 (talk) 13:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Peter Murrell investigation

Hi all. There's a lot going on around the Peter Murrell/SNP investigation. It would be great if more editors could input to the Operation Branchform article covering this. Thanks. Bondegezou (talk) 10:18, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

New Scotland related articles to be considered

Following a recent expansion of Wales (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales) related content, the creation of similar articles may be of interest to WikiProject Scotland.

Other potential articles could include:

• Foreign relations of Scotland (see Foreign relations of Wales)
• Science and technology in Scotland (see Science and technology in Wales)
• Food and drink industry in Scotland (see Food and drink industry of Wales)
• Manufacturing in Scotland (see Manufacturing in Wales)
• Mining in Scotland (see Mining in Wales)
• Armed forces in Scotland (see Armed forces in Wales)
• List of cities in Scotland (see List of cities in Wales and List of built-up areas in Wales by population)
• Scotland in the World Wars (see Wales in the World Wars)
• Irreligion in Scotland (see Irreligion in Wales)

I would be more than happy to collaborate on any of these or others which may be needed. I recently published both List of highest mountains in Scotland and List of highest mountains in Wales for example. Thanks! Titus Gold (talk) 01:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

England, Scotland, etc. vs UK in concert articles

There is a discussion regarding the use of England, Scotland, etc. versus UK in lists of concert locations. Please add any comments at WT:WikiProject Concerts#England, Scotland, etc. vs UK. Thanks. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Scottish district tartans

List of tartans could use some attention by someone with time on their hands. Notably, it is missing a section on the Scottish district tartans (while including information on Canadian, American, etc., ones).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Tartan#Clan tartans

I've just overhauled the Tartans article to finally have (again?) a coherent section on the history of clan tartans and their adoption (and redirects like Clan tartan and Scottish clan tartans go there). I also fixed up a bunch of other deficiencies in the article over the last few days but am not done yet.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Kirking of the tartan

I'm posting this here for lack of a better place. It's an entirely Scottish diaspora topic, and not related (that I know of) to Scotland per se. Edit: Actually, I already found a source that suggests a Scottish origin [1]

Anyway, the gist: We have no article at Kirking of the tartan (or obvious alternative spellings like Kirkin' o' the tartan). It's mentioned in passing at Kirk as a Novia Scotian tradition, but everything I see about it from Google hits says it's a pan-North American thing, also found all over the place in the US, but most especially in the eastern South (Georgia, the Carolinas). Also found a source [2] that says it's done in "Australasia" which I think is an over-generalisation for Australia and New Zealand in particular. I would create a WP:STUB on this, but I've been up to my eyeballs for weeks overhauling the Tartan article and getting ready to split off some subtopics like Clan tartan and Regimental tartan.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:40, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

PS: I realize that actual Scots probably consider this diasporic ritual pretty ridiculous; but it's still an encyclopedic topic (including why it has little to do with proper Scottish culture).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Lothian Buses

Lothian Buses has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Clan societies

We probably need an article, or at least a section at Scottish clan, on Scottish clan society as a concept. It is mentioned at Scottish clan, but the reader of that article is apt to be completely confused about the difference between an actual clan, a modern-day clan society, and the old general Celtic/Highland/Gaelic societies. PS: Yes, I realize this is predominantly a Scottish diaspora topic, but there's not a better place I can think of to post about this, and some of these organisations were in fact founded in Scotland (one of the earliest, the Clan Gregor Society, was set up in 1822).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Found establishment dates (in Scotland) for a bunch more of these: Buchanan Society, inaugurated in 1725; Clan Chattan in 1727; the Graham Charitable Society in 1759; McKay's Society in 1806. The Clan Gregor Society was the next to appear in 1822 (not as relatively old as I thought above), and this seems to have been the extent of them until the late 19th to early 20th centuries, when there was a boom in them. The 1890s saw 16 more of them founded, including Lamont, Maclean, Colquhoun, and Campbell associations. Earliest one outside Scotland might be the American Clan Gregor Society, formed in Virginia, 1909. Got all this from:

• Armstrong, Fiona Kathryne (31 August 2017). Highlandism: Its value to Scotland and how a queen and two aristocratic women promoted the phenomenon in the Victorian age (PhD). University of Strathclyde. pp. 249, 252. doi:10.48730/2m47-md74.

 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Missing article: Clydesideism

Clydesideism or Clydesidism or Clydeside-ism has been written about pretty extensively in media-crit and sociology as one of three pervasive but contradictory media-driven (and perhaps masculist) stereotypes of "Scottishness" (along with kailyard and tartanry), but we don't have an article on it. I've opened a thread with some initial sources at Talk:Tartanry#Clydesideism  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)