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I am currently looking at creating articles for civil parishes lists of listed buildings with a bot, see User:Crouch, Swale/Bot tasks/Civil parishes (current), User:Crouch, Swale/Bot tasks/Listed buildings and User:Crouch, Swale/Bot tasks/Scottish CPs. Feedback and suggestions welcome on the sub pages' talk pages. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

I think the idea is good in principle. It might need a fair amount of tidying up though. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 06:47, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Note: Crouch, Swale (talk · contribs) has posted similar messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England#Bot created articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland#Bot created articles. It is not clear where discussion should be held; and so these messages are against WP:MULTI. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
@Redrose64: As Crouch, Swale says above "Feedback and suggestions welcome on the sub page's talk pages." I don't see your problem. (Except that perhaps the apostrophe is wrong and it should say "Feedback and suggestions welcome on the sub pages' talk pages.) I have commented at User:Crouch, Swale/Bot tasks/Listed buildings. PamD 07:41, 2 June 2019 (UTC) Correct link: User talk:Crouch, Swale/Bot tasks/Listed buildings PamD 09:27, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
@Redrose64: yes the comments were indeed supposed to go on the relevant subpage, I posted the comment (with slight modifications) on all 3 projects because some of the articles fall under all 3. Fixed apostrophe. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:21, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
@Redrose64: User talk:Crouch, Swale/Bot tasks would be the best place for general comments. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Creating/refreshing location maps - reminder please.Edit

I want to refresh File:Location map United Kingdom Milton Keynes.png as it is five years out of date, ages ago in MK time. I left a note for future editors at File talk:Location map United Kingdom Milton Keynes.png to say

The map was selected from OpenStreetMap using these parameters:

  • name='Milton Keynes'
  • top=52.1021
  • bottom=51.9663,
  • left=-0.8758,
  • right=-0.6355

When replaced, use these parameters again or update template: Location map/data/United Kingdom Milton Keynes

I'm sure it made sense at the time but it is no longer obvious [to me!] how to make such a request to Openstreetmap or even (actually better for my purposes) to see what are the top/bottom/left/right data for the map I have selected. Also, template:Location map/data/United Kingdom Milton Keynes appears to have gone walkabout(???) Would someone remind me please? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

I see from Template:Location map/Creating a new map definition that the metafile is now module:Location map/data/United Kingdom Milton Keynes. But I still need to know where to find the corner coordinates for the map I have extracted. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
In OpenStreetMap click on "Export" in the top margin, then you can type in the coordinates you want into the boxes in the left margin. Or you can click "Manually select a different area" to select an area by mouse and then read the numbers from the boxes. -- Dr Greg  talk  21:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, evidently I missed a dialog box somewhere because ExportDownload gave me nothing. Will try again tomorrow.− --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
The "Export" button seems to vanish if your browser window is too narrow. -- Dr Greg  talk  00:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that was it. I've transferred to a bigger screen and can see it now. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Openstreetmap wants me to use planet.osmEdit

Openstreetmap lets me specify exactly what I want – and then declines to export it as too large, that I should use planet.osm instead. I really don't fancy tackling an xml file for the entire planet. Is there a bot anywhere that will do a specific extract? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


Throughout very many articles, things are described as ancient. A common example is "ABC is an ancient parish in XYZ that dates back to Anglo-Saxon times. When something becomes ancient is not rigidly defined and is open to opinion. However, in an historical context it seems reasonable to use the word to link to the period known as ancient history. This is also not clearly defined but in the UK a generally accepted start date is around the 6th century or the end of Roman Britain This predates, often by centuries, many of the things described as ancient. The word ancient does appear to have become an overused term for anything from the past, often by editors who do not bother being more specific and give the historic period. Using the example given, should we advise not calling English parishes ancient? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

In the example you give above, use of the word ancient is editorialising and unnecessary - it can be removed and the sentence provides the same information. I suspect this is the case for a lot of "ancient" examples. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Ancient parish is a perfectly acceptable term (see [1]) to describe historic administrative areas. It is used in many sources, they are not the same as modern parishes, they covered more settlements and some were very large. 16:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)
Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Records Service (see [2]) defines an Ancient Parish as one created before 1066.JonH (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, "ancient parish" is terminology, so, in the example given above, is neither editorialising nor unnecessary. I believe this usage of "ancient" carries the sense "since time out of mind", which of course is what we mean by "ancient history". However I confess that, until I saw this question asked, I had only a vague idea of a definition for an ancient parish – something along the lines of "clearly pre-dating the modern era", so before Henry VIII, the point being that there is no modern record of its establishment. I notice that this chimes with Youngs, F. A., Guide to the Local Administrative Units of England Volume I: Southern England, RHS, 1979 (ISBN 0901050679), p. ix: "the Guide does not attempt to date [ancient parishes'] medieval origins". Maybe that's where my vague idea originated. The Vision of Britain definition linked above gives the fullest explanation I've seen, in a quick search – the Bedford and Luton Archives definition is too narrow, in using 1066 as a cut-off date. For example, the Guide lists the parish of St Nicholas-at-Wade as an ancient parish (p. 287), and it was established in 1310. Nortonius (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for all the comments. Using the references given above and looking elsewhere too, the conclusion I draw is that the term "ancient parish" must be taken as a term, or a noun, in its own right, and not as an adjective describing a noun. The confusion is that the word 'ancient' is not referring to the parish, created in medieval times, but to earlier privileges and concepts carried over from earlier, ancient, times into the later, medieval, parish system. I might be off the mark here but it does explain the frequent use of the term in reputable sources. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


Template:Gbmaprim, and templates deriving from it like Template:Gbmapping and Template:Infobox UK place, have not been working for some months now. Is anyone tracking this somewhere? This is particularly annoying on pages like Anstey Castle that only use Gbmapping and not american/international coordinates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

There have been no reports of a problem, but it looks like all of the OS Grid co-ordinate links are not operating as the tool for this is missing from the tool server. Keith D (talk) 20:08, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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