Talk:Cross-Strait relations

Requested move 19 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: Closed speedily, per previous move request. (non-admin closure) CMD (talk) 02:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Cross-Strait relations → China–Taiwan relations – User:Dosafrog was inactive since February 8, do you want to oppose and support? 142.112.224.196 (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Speedy close: Exact same Move Request was proposed by the same IP 11 days ago. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 17:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Speedy close per Golden. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:00, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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Change title to "Taiwan-China relations"

Can we change the title from "Cross-Strait relations" to "Taiwan-China relations." I feel that the title should contain the word "Taiwan" because it is an article about Taiwan and it helps get the point across that Taiwan is an independent country and not apart of mainland China. BroxigarTheRed (talk) 10:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@BroxigarTheRed:  Not done: This has been discussed numerous times; see above. — Manticore 10:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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Proposed merger

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To not merge as proposed, given that both are well-developed, covering important topics; alternative organization is possible, but no consensus for any particular proposal. Klbrain (talk) 08:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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• 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan → Cross-Strait relations
• 2023 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan → Cross-Strait relations

Neither of these articles meet Wikipedia's notability requirements for events. Rather than see them deleted, I propose that they be merged into this article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. The sort of fragmentation that exists currently should be avoided if possible, and it is certainly possible. JArthur1984 (talk) 23:54, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Why don't you think it's notable? Seems widely covered, internationally. In any case, this is not the best merge target. I'd suggest merging the 2022 page to 2022 visit by Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan. The title says "visit", but like most events, direct reactions and consequences are part of the topic. I'm not as sure about 2023, but I wonder if the main author Rexxx7777 has any thoughts about keeping all the good content which is already there while mildly rearranging more of the focus to be on the 2023 visit by Tsai Ing-wen to the United States, since it's all interconnected but that's the more distinctive feature of the event. (Just an idea, not a strong opinion about that one.) With respect to a page as broad as Cross-Strait relations, it's good WP:SUMMARYSTYLE not to try to merge everything here. Adumbrativus (talk) 02:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I feel these can all be their own independent wikis. I disagree that there are no "notable" aspects to these pages, since it’s pretty obvious that these events, which involve tensions between two countries, is pretty notable to be its own page. Rexxx7777 (talk) 03:59, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

"News cycle" events aren't notable just because they happened per WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose very specifically. Suspect they could be merged somewhere (or together? De-disambiguate Chinese military exercises around Taiwan?), but that level of detail wouldn't fit into this page. CMD (talk) 03:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment – Should 2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan be merged, 2022 visit by Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan would be a better target. DecafPotato (talk) 06:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - These are very specific time-bound events. Amigao (talk) 17:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - What @Amigao said.

Brachy08 (Talk)(Contribs) 08:22, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - These are time/date-specific event, same like the three Taiwan Strait Crisis which had happened before. Each of this individual event is really notable. Of course in a bigger picture, they are part of Cross-Strait Relations, but it can have its own standalone article because they are very notable (you can easily find hundred of news covering these events). Chongkian (talk) 04:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Both events are widely covered and recognised as different events, similar to the way the Taiwan Strait crisises are talked about. I think they are too significant to just merge into something general like Cross-Straight relations. None of the Taiwan Straight Crisises have been merged into the Cross-Straight relations page, because they were significant as well. MysticForce07

• Oppose - What others have said. Both events are quite notable and merit being documented in their own articles. These are date-specific, significant events on-par with the significance of the prior Taiwan Strait Crises. The August 2022 episode alone is even ranked as being just as or more consequential than the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis of 1995-96 by multiple sources. There's far too much information that could be documented from both events to be effectively redirected into a small section within this page. If there is to be a merger, the 2022 and 2023 "military exercise" articles should be consolidated into one article, instead of simply being redirected. 69.196.41.13 (talk) 20:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Both articles are noteworthy. 2001:8003:908F:BB01:9D41:3FED:CFE2:17D9 (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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