Talk:Chahat Pandey

I am the ip 61.3.228.240 who is author who made all the changes to this draft and submitted it for review which is declined as given in the ip talk page

All those people who are responsible with respect to my creations in this draft Muboshgu, Explicit and GB fan I'm tagging you all here. Please read what I have written before just blindly doing something. Ritz1409 or Nithiin1983 is not the creator of Draft:Chahat Pandey. Please check WP:REFUND yesterday's log [1] where this draft was asked to refunded and it was asked by an ip and I am that ip and I am the same ip who is the author!The ips in my place do keep changing and do not remain the same. Since there not anything else to be done, I would like this article to be deleted which the reviewer themselves had mentioned it to do it in my talk page then why are some people going on reverting it? Commonedits (talk) 14:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Why are no actions taken against the reviewers who follow WP:COI?

I'm tagging you Liz here because I don't know who else to discuss this issue with. See, first of all many rules in Wikipedia are very outdated with respect to both the demands of the articles and editors. Secondly, they are being twisted by those who get power of admin or whatsoever for their own benefits to bite and assert their power on common editors. I am saying this I have seen many live-examples of it happening in Wikipedia.

• For example, taking the article of Thapki Pyaar Ki 2. I still remember very well that the draft article had only 5-6 sources, plus all those sources weren't even independant and reliable, but the reviewer simply ignored all those facts and accepted the draft without even asking them to improve the article which was purely a complete mess. If you have doubts, you can check this diff [2].
  • Next, I want this draft to be deleted mainly because I totally disagree with the reviewer and I know all the other reviewers will also give the same completely "invalid reasons" such it reads like an advertisement, when almost all Wikipedia articles of itv actresses read the same way. I have used the same wordings as any other Wikipedia article of an itv actress.
    • Plus, the reviewer gave the reason that the subject needs "independant reliable" sources when all the sources are were completely independant reliable sources of the subject. The reviewer had not even read any of the sources which was given in the draft!!!
      • So, it's clear that the reviewers of Wikipedia are following WP:COI. I don't understand why the clumsy admins of Wikipedia who are too quick to judge and block the new editors do not take any actions against such unethical "reviewers"?
        • Lastly, I would like to conclude by saying that the actress "Chahat Pandey" has already fulfilled WP:NACTOR with the multiple lead roles she has done between 2019-2022 because I know the rules of Wikipedia. She has all the eligibility to have an "independant wikipedia article" according to the rules you have kept in WP:NACTOR and I just don't understand why are you people are not allowing to the creation of her article?
          • Fine if you do not want the article then you should let the draft be deleted right? Why are you stopping even that?Commonedits (talk) 11:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
            • Commonedits There is no such speedy deletion criteria as the one you are attempting to invent. You have been told this, please review the edit summaries in the history. Drafts are automatically marked for deletion after six months of inactivity. Probably your only option for it to be deleted sooner is to start a discussion at Miscellany for Deletion, but I'm not sure you will be successful. If you have grievances with how reviewers reviewed this draft, please discuss it at WP:ANI. Further edit warring over your invalid CSD attempt and you will be blocked. 331dot (talk) 11:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
            • 331dot Probably your only option for it to be deleted sooner is to start a discussion at Miscellany for Deletion, but I'm not sure you will be successful. I am cent percent sure that there will be no sign of any success because of the clumsy adminstrative network of the stupid Wikipedia admins.
              • If you have grievances with how reviewers reviewed this draft, please discuss it at WP:ANI I know there is no use of even doing that because after all the ones in power will play with that "power".
                • Further edit warring over your invalid CSD attempt and you will be blocked. The really foolish admins of Wikipedia only know to do that. Block the common editors who actually are contributing while giving a free pass to the reviewers and the other admins who follow WP:COI. Fine, if you do not want me to give it for deletion, I will do it, do whatever you want. To hell to do with your clumsiness and stupid system of working out in Wikipedia. In this way you are digging your own graves. Amen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commonedits (talk • contribs) 12:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

How is Pandey now notable as was not the case in 2019

Dear Robert McClenon, as you have asked, I am presenting here how the actress Chahat Pandey has become now notable as was not the case in 2019 with respect to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chahat Pandey. It was mentioned that Chahat was a new actress with one significant role which was that in Hamari Bahu Silk. Right now, with respect to what is given in the draft Chahat has done several prominent and significant roles i.e. apart from Hamari Bahu Silk, she was the "main lead" in in Durga – Mata Ki Chhaya.. Plus she is currently playing the main lead in Dangal TV show "Nath Zewar Ya Zanjeer".. Other than these main lead roles she has also been "parallel leads" in several shows such as her debut was playing the parallel lead role in in DD National TV show Pavitra Bandhan.. However, she gained popularity by playing the parallel leads in Tenali Rama (TV series) and Aladdin - Naam Toh Suna Hoga. "Parallel lead" is also called the "second lead" in indian television industry and is considered as significant as the "main leads". Thus, it "clear" that Chahat Pandey has played several lead roles and has become now notable as was not the case in 2019 with respect to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chahat Pandey. Thank you. Commonedits (talk) 06:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Continuation of conversation from MfD

Moved from Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Chahat Pandey

 – This is the correct venue, for continued discussion on the sourcing and rewriting between @Commonedits and @AngusWOOF (and context). – robertsky (talk) 04:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe this draft should be deleted because there are a lot of unnecessary edit wars and controversies happening around just this one draft. It's better to have it getting deleted and make an end to all the unnecessary chaos at once! Thank you! Commonedits (talk) 15:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Does this mean that you withdraw your resubmission of the draft? 331dot (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

331dot Not really I'm tired of "constant & continuous wave of afc comments" in that draft, honestly!Commonedits (talk) 03:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Then it makes no sense why you are requesting deletion of something you want accepted as an article. 331dot (talk) 09:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

331dot It does make "sense" as no editor in Wikipedia will want to undergo mental torcher like this in form of incessant afc comments hurled at them for a "draft" which may or may not get accepted! Thank you!Commonedits (talk) 10:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

No. You cannot have it both ways. You can want it to be accepted or you can want it deleted. Not both. You also have not cited any Wikipedia policy that supports deletion. 331dot (talk) 10:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

331dotNo. You cannot have it both ways. You can want it to be accepted or you can want it deleted. Ok I want it to be accepted without getting mentally torchered by afc comments.

You also have not cited any Wikipedia policy that supports deletion. Honestly, I did not know how to do it. I came here only because you suggested me it in Draft:Chahat Pandey talk page.Commonedits (talk) 11:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Very curious indeed. If you want the draft accepted, and have no policy which supports deleting the draft, I suggest that you say that you withdraw this nomination. You are going to have to deal with comments on the draft, and politely/civilly address those concerns if you want to see it accepted. No deleting it and coming back later. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

331dotVery curious indeed. If you want the draft accepted, and have no policy which supports deleting the draft, I suggest that you say that you withdraw this nomination. I am ok with this deal provided with one condition......

You are going to have to deal with comments on the draft, and politely/civilly address those concerns if you want to see it accepted. No deleting it and coming back later. I don't think I am the only "uncivil savage" here. There are many whom you also know that I need not name here! Anyhow, the way the I was "reimbursed" with comments yesterday was quite "uncivil". And it is too much if someone behaves "uncivilly" to others and then demand "civility" from the same people. So I too expect the "same" civility from them as they expect from me.

One more thing, I would just like to hear a word from AngusWOOF before withdrawing my nomination because he really helped a lot. Thank you so much AngusWOOF Sir!Commonedits (talk) 11:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not here to make deals, just suggesting the best course of action for you. I have never said you are an "uncivil savage". If others are uncivil towards you(which I haven't seen yet) there are proper channels to address that. Only you can control your behavior. 331dot (talk) 11:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

331dot Ok fine (the suggestion) for me! Commonedits (talk) 11:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, pissing off the regular AFC reviewers such as 331dot and Robert McClenon and myself, who have provided detailed feedback on how the article needs to be improved to be ready, calling them COI or non-CIV, or resubmitting tendentiously to ignore the feedback and the create protection, is only serving to anger more AFC reviewers and prompting them to endorse create-protection. As it stands, the create-protection is there until June 2022, so I suggest you cool down WP:STICK, WP:COOL. Look at other articles biographies such as Divya Agarwal and see if you can craft a similar biography that walks through the person's major roles on shows. Note that she too had been AFD'ed in 2018, but has had significant roles in shows to meet WP:ENT as proven later and that such details were fleshed out in that bio so that it is clear she meets WP:ENT. No tellychakkars or times of india except for a particular popularity poll conducted by the paper. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Firstly, I am sorry for pissing you. It wasn't intentional. I apologize for that! I'm sorry to 331dot too. Honestly, both of you have been "really helpful" and I swear I didn't intend to hurt/piss you!

No tellychakkars or times of india except for a particular popularity poll conducted by the paper. Yes sir, as you had already removed all tellychakkars and times of india, none of those have been re-added! Commonedits (talk) 00:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

erm. i am in process of getting the draft accepted though? 🤔 – robertsky (talk) 16:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Robertsky If you are joking then it is a really bad joke, honestly!Commonedits (talk) 03:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Commonedits am not. April 1 isn't here yet. In fact, I had made a request to JBW, the admin who protected the page in the mainspace, to lower the protection, and was typing in a comment on your talk page about it in response to 331dot's comment when I received a notification that the thread was gone. – robertsky (talk) 03:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Robertsky Oh thank god it wasn't a joke! Thank you so much for recognizing my efforts! Commonedits (talk) 03:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Are you asking if we should have a notability discussion whether this person has any chance of having an article, once and for all? If so, then post your three best sources that meets WP:GNG / WP:BASIC, and your evidence that Pandey meets WP:ENT major roles in major shows. That the redirect is create-protected means this needs to be especially convincing to overturn that and have information supporting since the AFD in 2019. Do NOT cite Times of India (WP:RSP unreliable) or Tellychakkar (not reliable WP:INCINE), remove that stuff right now; shake out the rest. Remove all contentious statements. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:37, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment:AngusWOOFAre you asking if we should have a notability discussion whether this person has any chance of having an article, once and for all? Yes I would prefer that if it is feasible in the current scenario!Commonedits (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

  If so, then post your three best sources that meets WP:GNG / WP:BASIC, and your evidence that Pandey meets WP:ENT major roles in major shows. Okay I will do them right now!Commonedits (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

  • Sir, Pandey got first main lead role in 2019, in Hamari Bahu Silk and the source you have asked for is over here:[3], and then she got her second lead role in 2020 in Durga – Mata Ki Chhaya and the source is:[4] and at present she is again the main lead in Dangal TV show Nath Zewar Ya Zanjer and the sources for it are:[5] and [6]. These sources do prove that Pandey meets WP:GNG/WP:BASIC and WP:ENT.Commonedits (talk) 03:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

    Hindustan Times - this is about her particular situation about her rent, not significant coverage of her career.

    The Tribune - Q&A interview, not independent of the subject

    Mid-Day - briefly talks about her emotions in portraying her character on the show, not significant coverage of her career, but does establish that she plays that character.

    Free Press Journal - announcing her next role on Nath Zevar Ya Zanjeer, not significant coverage of her career (just summarizes briefly her previous role), but establishes that she plays that character

    I don't see any of those meeting WP:GNG, but they help towards WP:ENT. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

  • Apart from the main lead roles, she was also the parallel lead (parallel lead is known as second leads in indian television) in 3 shows, which was in Aladdin - Naam Toh Suna Hoga [7], Pavitra Bandhan [8] and Tenali Rama (TV series).Commonedits (talk) 03:51, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

    Free Press Journal - same article as previous announcing her next role on Nath Zevar Ya Zanjeer

    Bhaskar.com - role in Mishti, talks about her school background and schooling, also mentions mother's name, from 6 years ago. borderline significant coverage if only on her education background, need another editor to confirm.

    So all these articles can be used to beef up the biography section. I suggest rewriting her roles chronologically.AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

    AngusWOOF So all these articles can be used to beef up the biography section. I suggest rewriting her roles chronologically. Yes Sir I agree with you and I will do the needful as you have asked for!Commonedits (talk) 00:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

• The create protection was applied on 11 March 2022 for "disruptive re-creation contrary to deletion discussion outcome" AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:32, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment:AngusWOOF: Sir, I believe that was a too hasty decision taken by that admin without thinking of the impending consequences. The last article was deleted in 2019 and this is 2022, the admin who are responsible for taking good and wise decisions with respect to the "rules laid down in Wikipedia" should have thought twice that in the time span of 3 years between 2019 and 2022, the actress could have got enough roles to satisfy WP:ENT. Instead of that, they were just too haste and impulsive to salt the title!Commonedits (talk) 03:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment:AngusWOOF: Sir, I would just like to add, I wanted it to be deleted mainly because I was fed-up with the "overflow of comments" in the draft article yesterday and it was unnecessarily leading to a lot of controversies which I did not want to take part in.Commonedits (talk) 04:05, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

    .Commonedits, requesting deletion of the entire article because of the long thread of AFC comments isn't a good reason. Presenting the three best sources / GNG sources and discussing ENT and whether it is ready to submit again can be held on the talk page. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

    AngusWOOF requesting deletion of the entire article because of the long thread of AFC comments isn't a good reason. Sir, I swear it was a"very big mental torcher" and it wasn't worth my time to undergo that!

    Presenting the three best sources / GNG sources and discussing ENT and whether it is ready to submit again can be held on the talk page. Ok Thank you Sir!Commonedits (talk) 00:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Commonedits: As the MfD has been closed and archived, do respond here if and when you have a follow up to AngusWOOF's suggestions. – robertsky (talk) 04:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Pandey in RadhaKrishna

Hello AngusWOOF and 331dot Sir. I am pinging you both in this discussion because I found you both to be the most resourceful with respect to this draft. A special thanks to AngusWOOF for your most recent assist in this draft and all your contributions to make this draft better. Ok so I wanted to discuss about Chahat Pandey's role in RadhaKrishn.

• RadhaKrishn serial is a Star Bharat series broadcast from October 2018. It is produced by Swastik Productions.
• Initially the show was supposed to start in 2017 in Star Plus with Pandey originally cast as the main lead Radha opposite Sumedh Mudgalkar (the reference for it is this [9] while Madirakshi Mundle and Siddharth Arora as Goloka RadhaKrishna. You can watch them together in this teaser video.[10]
• However, StarPlus gave the show to their sister channel Star Bharat. So the producers took a few more months to start and when they finally decided to start the actors Pandey, Arora and Mundle were busy with other projects.
• Hence. that's how Chahat Pandey got replaced by Mallika Singh, Madirakshi Mundle by Shivya Pathania and Siddharth Arora by Himanshu Soni.
• There's this video which describes how Chahat Pandey was replaced by Mallika Singh:[11]
• So how should I re-write the sentences in the blp of Chahat Pandey to remove that "confusion template"? Commonedits (talk) 07:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I suggest removing the sentence entirely, it does nothing to help with notability and looks rather desperate and confusing. Theroadislong (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I concur. 331dot (talk) 09:11, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok! Thank you so much Commonedits (talk) 10:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! As written, it was really hard to follow. It's a borderline case for including - replacing actors before a show starts isn't unknown. Having a promo produced and published gives some weight for including, but the text (and the supporting references!) would need to be clear about what happened. For now, removing it makes the most sense to me. Ravensfire (talk) 15:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you suggesting removing "In 2017, Pandey was featured in the teaser trailer for the soap opera RadhaKrishn as a lead character"? Or was it referring to a previous statement? That's fine, but in later sources they mention that she used to be in that show and that statement would clarify she was only in the teaser / pilot and not cast for the main show. That could be explained in the filmography. The YouTube video by "EYE" is not a reliable source. Have no idea who EYE is. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Are you suggesting removing "In 2017, Pandey was featured in the teaser trailer for the soap opera RadhaKrishn as a lead character"? Or was it referring to a previous statement? It was referring to a previous statement and I was asking help on how to reformulate it and you have done that now. Thank you so much Sir for helping out 😘😘 Commonedits (talk) 06:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Also do you want to do something about the writeup in RadhaKrishn#Casting where they mention Pandey as well? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Yes that sounds good but I don't know exactly what should be done! Commonedits (talk) 06:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand the confusion template? I don't see where someone is tagging {{confusing}} on the article? Where is that? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 02:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Sir I was talking about this template:

which was placed in the middle of career section earlier. I did not know what to do so which is why I asked you about it. Commonedits (talk) 06:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, that template tag wasn't around when I rewrote with the current statement. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Yes, that's why I put it here to make you understand!Commonedits (talk) 04:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Filmography roles

I started combing through the filmography list and removed the "second lead" designation. It's either starring (main title card credits) or recurring. Also, a lot of the shows are long-running soap opera serials with 500+ episodes, or anthologies with different casts for each episode, so it doesn't make sense to state she is the lead role or starring role for the entire series when she was just the featured "star" for a particular episode. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thank you so much for dedicating your time and refining this article. This article is indeed "a fruit" of your hardwork. Kudos to your efforts! Cheers🍻 Commonedits (talk) 06:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Robertsky, I have cleaned out what I could with the filmography roles. Some of the episodes I tagged with {{verification needed}} because someone would have to watch the episode (can't view from outside India) and confirm the actor's name in the series and the role. Also some of the character names are only verified by non-RS such as tellychakkar or times of india, so I left that out until someone can supply the name with an RS. That said, the article is probably ready to move to mainspace, but I am fine with waiting until June when the salt is lifted and so more write-up can be done on the bio to flesh out the roles. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

User:AngusWOOF, User:Robertsky - At this point I think that I will go to RFPP and request that the title be desalted so that it can be accepted with a pageswap. I was about to tag the salted redirect for G6, but I think that it needs to be moved into draft space because it has history. This may be a case where an editor was their own worst enemy and where the draft is being accepted because the proponent is in the penalty box. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

User:JBW - I think that there is agreement among reviewers that this draft is now ready for article space. Please either delete the redirect to allow a reviewer to accept the draft, or unlock the redirect to allow a page mover to swap-accept the draft. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

throwing in my support on the request above. – robertsky (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon, Robertsky, and AngusWOOF: Since this would be overturning consensus in a deletion discussion, my own opinion is that it would be better to take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review, to find out whether consensus can be reached that the situation has changed enough to justify changing the decision. However, I will unsalt the article title and leave it up to you to decide how to move on. JBW (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I've had a look at the history of the deleted article, and I think some of it should be moved, to avoid confusion with the history of the page which is now a draft. I'll get onto that as soon as I can, but right now I don't have time to sort it out, so if you see this before I've done it, perhaps you can wait a little while. JBW (talk) 11:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I have now done that, and I don't think any problem with editing history would be caused by moving the draft, deleting the existing redirect at the article title. If consensus is to do that, and if it needs an administrator to do it, let me know. I don't think it will need an administrator, but I'm not sure. JBW (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

JBW, thanks, I am tagging the redirect with the db-afc-move now. Not sure how much of a histmerge you want to do with drafts/redirects/stuff prior to 2022, but the main verbiage and filmography are relatively clean now, with contentious statements deleted or cited per the below topic. I would assess it to Start-class. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: I don't think anything more needs to be done about history merging etc. I was concerned that if the draft was moved to article, a kind of inadvertent history merge with deleted edits would take place. That would cause no problems as long as the deleted edits stay undeleted and the undeleted ones stay deleted, but I have known cases in the past where later deletions and undeletions have led to revisions from different pages becoming intertwined, making it horrendously difficult to work out who did what editing. I think, though, that I've dealt with that now. Some useless deleted edits I've moved to another deleted page (Draft:Chahat Pandey (2) if I remember correctly) and I can't think of any reason that anyone will ever want to restore them. The other edits, whether deleted or not, shouldn't cause any problems. No doubt you didn't need to know all that, but since you mentioned it, I thought I would clarify the situation. JBW (talk) 18:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: page swapped. and did the afc clean up manually. Thanks @JBW for unsalting the page. – robertsky (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Personal information and news events

I also noticed there was a lot of personal information concerning birthday (1 June on Instagram, no year specified), father's name, and brother's names (not in the Patrika or Bhaskar news articles). This is scrubbed out for now, leaving just the mother's name and possible spelling.

I kept the note about her rumor of suicide as it was covered heavily by the major newspapers, but added that it was soon refuted as reported by the same papers.

I also kept the note about her arrest although there wasn't much to say afterwards: no convictions or follow-up issues posted.

If any of those are on the level of WP:FART, then you can strike it out. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 02:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Organization

I don't know why exactly the rowspans were removed. Adding them only improves the article not depreciate it. I have also expanded the career as was asked in the template. Commonedits (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, rowspans do not improve the article. I use the dts to record the date of broadcast so the list can be sorted in chronological order. This is why I removed them. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I disagree, rowspans do improve the article by a giving a better organized outlook to the filmography section. Anyhow, I am not changing anything. I'm extremely happy that this article is in mainspace now after all those efforts.Commonedits (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Recurring roles

Commonedits, per MOS:TVCAST standards, I've changed the "parallel lead" and "supporting role" ones to "recurring role". There is no distinction made on those said shows for parallel leads, principal, supporting, co-starring, "with/and" credits, etc. Also there are no extended cameos. They are either Main, Recurring, or Guest. You can discuss on those specific shows if they have special classifications.

Main is usually folks listed in the billing block, and opening title cards of the show/film. Recurring are folks who have guested in multiple episodes in a season and Guest is for everyone else. Cameo is usually reserved for uncredited guest appearances. Again, please discuss those role categories at the show in question and if they agree to distinguish "Parallel Lead" or "Supporting" as a separate categories, then indicate so. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Why are you bringing new rules here?

AngusWOOF What you are doing here is absolutely DISRUPTIVE!!!! Please show in which rules of wikipedia is it written that we have give sources for character names of the cast???? And you are totally disrupting and making the whole filmography messy without your own formed "ideals and rules". Please stop it right away!!! Or else I will complain it to the relevant people!!!Commonedits (talk) 14:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, see MOS:TVCAST and WP:RS How is it disruptive to ask for sources for the actors and characters? If the show itself lists the credits (Chahat Pandey as xxx) you just need to present the credits. Otherwise, find the news article or the production notes that indicate so. Just assuming so is not going to help the situation. And I've explained why rowspans there are disruptive but you still reverted it. See WP:FILMOGRAPHY: "The following examples reflect current best practice. They allow for sortability and accessibility for the vision impaired. Titles should have accompanying |data-sort-value="..." elements where appropriate. All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source. " Rowspans are okay for year, but again, I use data-sort-value {{dts}} so that you can see her roles by date released. " Use of rowspan formatting in "Year" columns (ex. #2) is acceptable, but rowspan formatting should not be used in other columns, per WP:ACCESS.'" AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I meant the way you were editing are "disruptive"!!!! Because you are just introducing some random new things from here and there which is not followed in any other WP:BLPs!!! Commonedits (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, how is it disruptive to clean up the filmography tables? I already explained to you in the other section why "parallel lead" and "extended cameo" are not appropriate. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOFYou are under the false illusion that you are cleaning up when indeed you are messing up the filmography table! And that is disruptive editing! Just look at your version and my version with rowspans. Your version is so messy that any common editor will find it very diffcult to go through Pandey's filmography section! So please it is my humble request, include the scope rows and rowspans to make the Filmography section clear and legible and stop your disruptive edits! And fine with your illusions of "parallel lead" and "extended cameo" are inappropriate. I'm fed up of explaining to you! Commonedits (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, as I explained above, you need to read MOS:TVCAST. If you think parallel leads and extended cameos should be categorized as such because it's an Indian television show, then bring it up with those particular show article talk pages and see if the local group agrees it should be split up like that. You can also ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian television or WP:INCINE AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, it's not a false illusion. As per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, my edits to make it look like one of the tables is valid. It's acceptable to have separate rows with the same year listed, and this would be preferred if there are a lot of mixes of year ranges followed by single years, for example: 2012 (april) , 2012 (may) –2015, 2012 (june). As Pandey doesn't have this issue, unlike voice actors who star in tons of roles, I'm okay with rowspanning this. The disadvantage of rowspan is that you can't sort by chronological or reverse chronological anymore since all the entries of the year will lose their sequence. These are not new rules. These are proven methods to best express the body of work and make the table usable for those who need WP:ACCESS and to help meet the data-sort-value attributes of the table as shown in the WP:FILMOGRAPHY. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Ok I will ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian television or WP:INCINE to include "parallel lead" and "extended cameo" roles but not right now as I have other commitments but as I explained earlier, these are very important generic terms in the Indian television.Commonedits (talk) 23:38, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, keep in mind that Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian television might not be that active, so WP:INDIA or WP:TELEVISION might reach a broader audience and you can always ask for opinions from multiple project groups provided they feed back to the same thread (don't start 5 different threads) AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF As Pandey doesn't have this issue, unlike voice actors who star in tons of roles, I'm okay with rowspanning this. Exactly and it was looking very very illegible, untidy and messy without rowspans!!! I have one more request can you please add !scope "row" format as you had done earlier because it gave more authentic and legible format to the filmography section.Commonedits (talk) 23:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

keep in mind that Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian television might not be that active, so WP:INDIA or WP:TELEVISION might reach a broader audience. Ok.Commonedits (talk) 23:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Added references

AngusWOOF, I have added references which are reliable for the characters which Pandey played in Mahakali — Anth Hi Aarambh Hai, Tenali Rama and Kaun Hai?. I did not get any sources demanded for Aisi Deewangi Dekhi Nahi Kahi, Cheekh... Ek Khauffnaak Sach and Hoshiyar so, I have put them the way you had put it without touching them.Commonedits (talk) 07:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Need episode and timestamps

ManaliJain and other WP:INCINE Indian Television Wikiproject editors, if you have access to the programming in this region, can you verify whether Pandey has indeed appeared in the supposed episodes? If so, you can confirm with cite episode and providing a timestamp. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 05:55, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: I tried but was unable to find any notable or reliable trail of credits to verify the same. Hoping some other editor would rather help out. ManaliJain (talk) 08:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Timestamps

WP:INCINE Indian Television Wikiproject editors, if you have access to the programming in this region, can you verify whether Pandey has indeed appeared in the supposed episodes? If so, you can confirm with cite episode and providing a timestamp.

AngusWOOF I am giving the timestamp credential details here which verifies that Pandey has indeed appeared in the supposed episodes, I do not know how to add them to the references so I request you to do that.

• Crime Patrol Satark- Timestap:2:50 to 4:00, Roohi talking with the children and the servant.
• Mahakali — Anth Hi Aarambh Hai- Timestap:24:12 to 24:20, when Mahakaali asks to Karthikey if he will marry Devsena.
• Kaun Hai?- Timestap:1:20 to 2:00, when Ratan calls out to Ambika and talks about the witch.
• Tenali Rama- Timestap:1:29 to 1:40, Ananta Lakshmi talking about toys
• Laal Ishq- Timestap:37:01 to 40:00, Chandrika talking to the professor
• Laal Ishq- Timestap:3:56-4:04, Paniri taking the form of the demon

 Done AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 08:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ManaliJain, if you have access to these videos, can you confirm she's indeed in the show? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 08:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Yes, I checked the videos and can confirm that Pandey was a part of these respective shows. ManaliJain (talk) 09:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Known_for

AngusWOOF, Pandey was a prominent star in Hamari Bahu Silk, in Durga – Mata Ki Chhaya also at present in Nath – Zewar Ya Zanjeer. So can't we add them as a part of known_for? Commonedits (talk) 08:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, we don't fill in known_for in the infobox for actors. If they're the creator of the show, then you can list the show as with Marta Kauffman. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 08:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, Ok, but honestly any Wikipedian article of Indian television actors I have seen till now had their known_for section filled in always. Anyhow, thanks and have a great day!Commonedits (talk) 08:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, I have checked up WP:BLP and there is something called Notable work(s) as in WP:BLP of Shabir Ahluwalia and Sriti Jha which can be added to WP:BLPs. So we can add that instead of known-for in WP:BLP of Pandey. I'm doing it. You can change it if you find anything wrong. Commonedits (talk) 10:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Commonedits, please see discussion at places like Template_talk:Infobox_person/Archive_33#Notable_works,_known_for,_etc_for_actors. The work or known_for has to be major like the creator of the show, not just starring in it, unless the show is centered about her. If she's just starring in an ensemble cast, as shown by the number of star billings for the shows below, then it doesn't need to be listed. (sorry these are mostly American actors) Look at Tom Kenny's article. He's the voice of SpongeBob, but yet everytime that is added to the infobox it gets removed. Same with Nancy Cartwright and Bart Simpson, Ben Platt in Dear Evan Hansen; Lin-Manuel Miranda and Hamilton (musical). AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)