Talk:Anupamaa/Archive 1

Archive 1

One cast member in Main?

@Noobie anonymous: Hi there, re: this, it seems highly unlikely that the series only has one main cast member. I can't even imagine how that would be possible unless the show is a monologue and Anupamaa just talks to herself for half an hour. "Main" doesn't mean "the only credited star", it typically refers to the principal, central cast. Is there no central cast that typically occupies every show? Mom? Dad? Husband? Child? Boss? Dance instructor/mentor? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Oh, I thought the stars are the main cast of the series. So you mean that the main casts of the series need not be the stars of the series, right? Noobie anonymous (talk) 17:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Noobie anonymous: You can have people who are "stars" but then usually there will be a cast of "co-stars" who are central to the main stories. On Absolutely Fabulous Patsy and Edina would likely be considered the "stars", but there are other main characters who support them. On Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld is the "star"--it's a show named after him and he's the key central figure around whom others interact--but there are three other co-stars who are part of the central or main cast. I know it's difficult because Indian TV shows don't always include proper credits, but in a case where we're looking at one main character, that seems odd. Even in some Indian soap operas I see two people listed under main and wonder how a show can be sustained with only two main characters. Who are the antagonists? Anyway, hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:38, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Ratings content

@AussieLegend: Hey there, happy new year! Sorry to ping you, but you've got lots of experience here. In this edit, RYLELT7 removed a table of TV ratings, objecting in part to the week-by-week aspect of it. I know that in some episode lists like here, we include episode-by-episode ratings. What do you think is the right density of coverage for a show like this? I'm guessing it's a Mon-Fri series. Pinging also Noobie anonymous. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb Sorry to interrupt but I noticed that Noobie anonymous is constructing tables for other shows such as Imlie, Ghum Hai Kisikey Pyaar Meiin for the ratings. Mainly by weekly updates. Hindi TV Shows typically are on-air for a long time and these tables would cover more than 50% of the page. If that's the case, I think another article should be proposed for that particular content. By, RYLELT7 (talk) 00:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Minus AussieLegend's input, I don't think there's anything wrong with including a table of ratings, since ratings content would normally appear in some fashion. Cutting the table because someday it could be too big seems like a short-sighted approach to this. If and when it grew to that size, we could deal with it at that point. But if the purpose of an encyclopedia article is to provide academic information about the series, that would logically include ratings. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@RYLELT7:@Cyphoidbomb: I understand. But, BARC India provides weekly rating updates only. So, with the available weekly datas till latest one, I made it in a table form reducing the ambiguity than the previous prose version. But, I disagree of removing it entirely, despite being a reliable information, before seeking any consensus. Noobie anonymous (talk) 07:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2021

I can update the storyline and characteristics of characters and can also edit their names like their names or names of female characters after marriage as girls change their surnames after their marriage and use husband's surname. And often characters which were initially a positive one can become shady or negative later on and vice-versa. Often characters get nicknames and become more famous due to their nicknames than their original name in the show. And I also request you to make editing in production and casting section as it's necessary to update which cast member left and which cast member joined as a new character or replacing the old one. And production section to update if the cast and crew shifted to any other place for outdoor shoots or any particular sequence. Pra2310 (talk) 15:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Please consider my request Pra2310 (talk) 15:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

ScottishFinnishRadish can you please explain me through an example what you want to say for editing as I'm a new user to Wikipedia account Pra2310 (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Pra2310 Let's say that a person listed in Recurring cast has left the show, whereas in the article it states (2020-present). Here in Talk, you would propose that for that person, the time in show be changed from (2020-present) to (2020-2021). That is what is meant by "change X to Y" format. You would need to do this for each change you are requesting. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Change in the Title

The title is just "Anupamaa" but I think "(Indian Television Show)" must be added. I have done 10 edits, so I can edit semi-protected articles but can't edit the name. WikiSilky (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi protection

Protected "Anupamaa": Persistent vandalism ([Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] Pra2310 (talk) 09:53, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Pra2310 (talk) 09:56, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Please don't revert my edits

Please don't revert my edits as I only update Plot and cast section when I feel it's necessary to update it with necessary events and development in any character. Otherwise I just update episode counts. Even I was the one who requested semi protection to page due to some anonymous users adding their own cooked up story Pra2310 (talk) 12:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Pra2310: You have been told this before. I will emphasize it again: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Plot plays a trivial role in the overall encyclopedic value of the article. You should read MOS:PLOT and WP:PLOTSUM to understand and write better plot summaries. Secondly, every actor that appears on the show doesn't merit a mention in the Cast section. See WP:TVCAST for this purpose. 2405:201:4013:802D:2C1D:40C1:793D:F535 (talk) 23:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021

Deepak Gheewala as Gopichand Karodia aka GK, Gopi Kaka: Anuj's foster father (2021- present) 106.208.218.125 (talk) 00:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Sudhanshu Pandey sir aka Vanraj's wikipedia

How can wikipedia article for Actor Sudhanshu Pandey sir playing the egoistic and selfish ex-husband to Anupamaa and Selfish father to Samar, Vanraj Shah can disappear suddenly. I searched for him in his movies Radhe and Singh Is Kingg too. But his article has been suddenly disappeared Pra2310 (talk) 18:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pra2310: This is not the right place to ask this question, You can ask this question here Draft:Sudhanshu Pandey. Sid95Q (talk) 15:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

ok Pra2310 (talk) 16:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Disagreement between editors

@Vucien and Pra2310:, you both need to stop edit-warring and discuss your disagreements here. Schazjmd (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I understand this. Even I accepted my mistakes earlier. As the user who warned me warned Vucein also. But he/she started accusing that user also. Vucein needs to understand that the plot which they're adding is more than 1 month old. And atleast add necessary things in cast. And don't add unsourced ratings in ratings section. And in soundtrack section atleast one should mention that those 2 soundtracks are made for whom. Pra2310 (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

General comment - the edit-warring between @Vucien and Pra2310: needs to stop. You both are at fault for hitting revert too often. Use the article talk page to TALK about the edits, using Wikipedia policies and guidelines to work towards a consensus. Folks, this isn't optional, continue to revert as you've been doing and this will be raised at the edit-war noticeboard. Ravensfire (talk) 12:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Citations need to be added in Cast section

@Pri2000: since you are the primary contributor of the page, List of characters in Anupama that is going to be deleted, I suggest that you put all the usable information along with citaitons into the cast section of Anupamaa. Venkat TL (talk) 07:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou Pri2000 (talk) 08:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: can we add cast and characters section instead of just cast. Like in Wagle Ki Duniya, Madamm Sir and TMKOC?? As it'll clearly define every character. Pri2000 (talk) 10:56, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film has the list of sections. In that list Cast is listed. So we should use the same.

In this article Anupamaa, Keep the section header as Cast and under that update the list of characters. You can write a short paragraph for each character, explaining their role. If there are reference to verify them, make sure to add them. Do it sooner as the list page will be deleted after 7 days of the beginning of the deletion discussion. So you have roughly 7 days to merge anything that is useful into this article. Venkat TL (talk) 11:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Venkat TL:Thankyou. Actually earlier same thing was there in cast section. A short paragraph for each character defining their characteristics. But a blocked sockpuppet user Vucein messed up everything including in edit wars with every others editor. That's why I made that page. Thankyou for your suggestion. Pri2000 (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok. @Pri2000, once a sock puppet is blocked, all their edits can be reverted and pages deleted. You can read the rules on WP:SOCKSTRIKE Venkat TL (talk) 11:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pri2000 have you merged all the reliable sources and usable content to this page Anupamaa? Venkat TL (talk) 10:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Most of those sources are already present in the production section. If anyone is needed I'll provide it. And I've added small paragraphs to characters according to MOS:TVCAST Pri2000 (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Great. Following WP:V, If there are sources existing, then they should be added wherever it is lacking. Venkat TL (talk) 12:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Ratings table is poorly sourced

1. Barc has stopped publishing serial specific data on their site. Even archived links do not show serial data, as that is fetched dynamically and archive.org doesn't handle it out of box. So ratings numbers can't be verified from barc without a subscription.

2. The secondary sources included are

• incomplete at best : includes only GEC Urban rank and impressions
• useless at worst - has GEC Urban rank only. This also applies to all the recent updates - sources have only rank, no TRP value.

So the table contains numbers for GEC Overall and TRPs, which, as of now, can't be found on public internet. Hence I think table should be restricted to GEC Urban for before Week 22 and only ranking for newer weeks. The patchiness of data overall makes me question the whole table, to be honest.

I request input from Pri2000, who has added new (subscriber-only?) TRP data last couple of weeks and Noobie anonymous who added the table initially early this year. Hemanthah (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pri2000:, your latest edit again doesn't have TRP number. Where are you getting it from?

With no data apart from ranking from an opaque source, these ratings appear to have no meaning. Can you please elaborate on the issues I've raised here? Hemanthah (talk) 14:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hemanthah:ok. I'll try my best to get other sources. Can we add video from reputed entertainment news show Saas Bahu aur Saazish as it really gives trp ratings in it's video. As tellychakkar 's articles aren't accepted due to reliability issues Pri2000 (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm more interested in the value of TRP itself than in deciding where to get it. Does it add any value at all here now that it isn't even being covered by news sources? The previous impressions metric at least was intuitive to grasp, trp without context is just some random number.

But to the question, Saas bahu says in its about page - "daily dose of entertainment in the form of star cast interviews, gossips". Doesn't inspire any confidence in its ability to accurately report. Hemanthah (talk) 04:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hemanthah: yes Saas Bahu aur Saazish's tagline is daily dose of entertainment as it provides what's upcoming in the form of it's daily 2 episodes telecast videos one upcoming and one originals/fun interview sessions of cast members of different shows. But you can yourself see it providing the trp ratings of GEC in urban areas which is the main trp criteria now. That's why even cast members thanks audience for that trp in the form of their social media posts and stories. So that's why I'm asking whether I should include those videos or not??? Pri2000 (talk) 15:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't paint itself as reliable, so I'd say no. Hemanthah (talk) 03:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok Pri2000 (talk) 12:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hemanthah: Thank you for bringing to my notice the BARC archive problem. But some sources which I cited other than BARC had overall Hindi GEC top 5 data which was also stopped after week 22. After this week, some sources provide only ranking and rarely some sources provide the trp points also. So, lack of proper structured data sources makes it difficult to establish a well defined Ratings section. Noobie anonymous (talk) 09:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Noobie anonymous, True, that's why I suggested removing it altogether, but as of now, I've removed the GEC overall data only. Hemantha (talk) 10:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2022

Starring : Gaurav Khanna, Rupali Ganuguly, Sudhanshu Pandey Nazu mehar (talk) 04:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Nazu mehar, do you wish those names be added to the infobox at the top-right corner? I've removed your other request as it was empty. hemantha (brief) 11:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nazu mehar Please provide WP:CITATIONs for this information. Venkat TL (talk) 11:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:47, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Cast member

The main cast should show Rupali Ganguly and Gaurav Khanna. He is the main lead. Please adjust. Thank you 151.210.134.234 (talk) 11:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding ratings

I'm pinging Hemanthah and Venkat TL here who helped me a lot in editing process. As we removed trp ratings from rating section because sources just mentioned the position of every show in them not the exact trp rating. So can we add new section for new trp ratings as sources from week 2, 2022 is also providing the trp ratings along with position of shows(GEC in urban areas which is indeed the main trp criteria right now) please. Pri2000 (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000, Yes, if reliable sources (WP:ICTFSOURCES) mention the trp number, it can be added. I personally don't think an opaque rating like that adds value, but there's enough local consensus for it, I think. Hemantha (talk) 11:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000 what do you mean by exact TRP rating. Is it a fraction? I always thought TRP rating just meant ranking. The article already has Ranking. What exactly are you planning to add, in the new section. an example of before vs now will make it easier for me to understand. Venkat TL (talk) 11:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: like earlier we just used this format: Week and Year, Ranking, source in table. Now from week 2 reliable sources are providing rating also like for latest week 5 it's 3.8 rating. So can we add new table like this please: Week and Year, rating, Ranking and reference Pri2000 (talk) 12:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

ok. I cant see why it will harm. If your question is just related to the layout and if it is ok to create a new table. The answer is yes. If you want to include new data, it is ok to create a new table. Venkat TL (talk) 12:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: @Hemanthah: thankyou so much sir/mam Pri2000 (talk) 12:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Biz Asia

In Uk section all the sources are of Biz Asia. Can it be considered a reliable source. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 14:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Adaptations

This table should only be in Sreemoyee's page as it is showing the shows adapted from Sreemoyee and anupamaa is one of the shows which is adapted from it. It doesn't make sense to put this table here as it's not about Anupamaa but about Sreemoyee. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 15:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36 @Pri2000, what does the reliable source say. What is the inspiration and what is the adaption? Venkat TL (talk) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL, My point is that the table is about the show Sreemoyee so it's redundant information here. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 16:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL the person removed adaptation section unnecessarily. Since June 2021, I've seen that it's general rule to keep adaptation table in articles original as well remakes of those series. Like here Sreemoyee is original series and Anupamaa, Aai Kuthe Kay Karte, Bhakyalakshmi are it's remakes. And other remakes of other regional language shows also contains adaptation table and Anupamaa is first in the Star Plus shows which is a remake of any regional language show. So adaptation table is present in every remake along with original series Sreemoyee. And adaptation table also has proper reliable sources. So it should be discussed here before removing. Earlier soundtrack section was removed because it didn't had proper referencing except unreliable Tellychakkar. So there was no issue in removing it. But adaptation table contains every source from Times of India. And I also request you if I can add soundtrack section if I find out reliable sources regarding this section??? Pri2000 (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Folks the only rule valid here is WP:V. Unless there is a reliable source saying Serial X is an adaptation of Serial Y. We cannot write that anywhere on Wikipedia. @Pri2000 I can see several refs in this table. Are they all saying that those serials in rows are adaptations of Anupamaa? Venkat TL (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL sir Anupamaa itself is a remake to Sreemoyee and it's clearly mentioned in introduction. But the fact is adaptation table I've seen adaptation table included in every article of Sreemoyee remake as well as in other currently running Star Plus shows out of which most of them are remakes to regional language shows. And one more thing I want to point out. Both Marathi adaptation of Sreemoyee that is Aai Kuthe Kay Karte and Anupamaa are produced by same producer Rajan Shahi from Director's Kut Productions and I've seen stories on both shows. Since starting both shows follows exactly same storyline with minor changes. Earlier Anupamaa followed Aai Kuthe Kay Karte's storyline now vice-versa. So both can be called adaptation to each other. Pri2000 (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL,@Pri2000 please read WP:OOS. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 16:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36 what are you trying to say? Read OOS for what? @Pri2000 if a reliably source does not say that Serial X is an adaptation of Anupamaa then This article cannot list that. WP:SYNT explains it in more detail. Venkat TL (talk) 17:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL sir ok sir. I'll remove rest of the shows from adaptation. And will find source to confirm that both Anupamaa and Aai Kuthe Kay Karte are adaptations to each other because earlier Anupamaa followed Aai Kuthe's storyline now Aai Kuthe is following Anupamaa's storyline. And both shows are produced by same producer Pri2000 (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. If you are able to find reliable source, you can add that. Till then it should not be added. No need to call other Wikipedia users as sir. We should all keep a respectable tone, but sir is unnecessary. Venkat TL (talk) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36 I hope your concerns are now resolved. Please confirm. Venkat TL (talk) 12:53, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL, yes she has removed out of scope and unsourced content from the page. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 12:55, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

AAhap36 and Pri2000 thanks. Discussion always better than edit warring. Marking this as resolved. Venkat TL (talk) 13:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

Updates based on OTT

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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@ManaliJain regarding your comment on User_talk:Primefac#Updating_episodes_before_being_broadcasted_on_television. how is that a problem. I am assuming you referring to plot summary being added on the basis of OTT. If it is available, what is the need for the user to wait for the soap to telecast on TV? Venkat TL (talk) 11:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: The page is about the show which is telecast on the TV. We should only update it according to the Tv channel. MOS:TVUP. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 11:34, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL @AAhap36 if it's only updated on the basis of TV then what's the use of providing "Also available digitally on Hotstar" and providing Anupamaa on Hotstar in infobox section. Even online trps are counted on the basis of it. We can also add online trp section if everyone permits. Pri2000 (talk) 11:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000: Hotstar is mentioned becuase it is an external link MOS:TVEXLINKS. The page is under Television. We should only stick to television part. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 11:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL @AAhap36and one more thing I'm providing episode counts on the basis of episode being available on Hotstar since June when I joined this platform. No one noticed this forget about warning me. Suddenly this thing came into notice after blocked user Princepratap1234 as usual tried to harass me by adding my real name everywhere by anonymous IP . No one I repeat no one noticed it. But suddenly everyone came and even filed complaint against me. Wow. Pri2000 (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000: i only told you on your talk page but i did not file any report or reverted your edits. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 11:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL @AAhap36 one more thing. I just updated episode counts on the basis of Hotstar app. Not plot summary. I added plot summary after several days of it's arrival like I did today Pri2000 (talk) 11:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ Contrary to what AAhap36 said on User talk:Pri2000, There is no such rule that " we should upadate the episode count according to the starplus not Hotstar." section. @AAhap36, @Manali Jain The article is about the SHOW. It can be on TV, OTT, Cinema hall, or Internet. Dont put your own personal opinion as rule. If you want to make such a rule, first you need to make WP:CONSENSUS. for such a change. As far as I can see, if [User:Pri2000|Pri2000]] is adding plot summary based on the OTT, she can do that. There is no such rule on Wikipedia that says, she need to wait for serial to broadcast on TV. For example, Many unreleased movies, have a plot section based on early screening, reviews etc. Venkat TL (talk) 11:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: The page is notable only because it is being telecast on TV WP:NTVNATL so we should only edit it according to the TV channel. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 12:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36. again, there is no such rule. It is your assertion. If the Topic X is notable due to Y. It does not mean that only information from Y can be added to topic X. Once topic X is deemed notable for whatever reasons, it can include information about topic X from other sources too. So information about Serial Anupamaa from OTT and Internet sites can be added here. This is not an exclusively about TV serial. Also I believe both TV and OTT versions are exactly same. So why all this concern if it is added from OTT. Why should we care? This looks like a totally unnecessary objection from you. Please do not revert Pri2000 if she adds info from OTT. If you want to prohibit information from OTT you have to generate consensus for it. If @ManaliJain edit wars to remove valid information, you will be reported for edit warring and disruptive editing. Venkat TL (talk) 12:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: first of all, I never reverted her edits related to edit count so don't warn me for this. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 12:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36, ManaliJain was reverting and edit warring over this. I have clarified this now. Venkat TL (talk) 12:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ravensfire: Please help us. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 12:17, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36,Who is Ravensfire? And why are you pinging him? Venkat TL (talk) 12:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

He is very senior editor so asking him for his suggestions. AAhap³⁶ (talk • contribs) 12:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok. You should have clarified this while pinging him. Venkat TL (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: You've a misunderstanding coz there's nothing related to plot summary here, I never reverted any edit regarding plot summary. I reverted Pri2000's edits yesterday because the user made edits for before the respective date/future event. Pri2000 who mostly updates episode numbers on different Indian television soap operas disruptively made edits for the episodes which have not been aired on television yet. Just on the basis of OTT platforms where episode(s) premiere before being broadcasted on TV and that to for premium subscribers, the editor was making the particular edits. Kindly check her yesterday's edits, she updated all the episode numbers for today's date itself and today again did the same. So you're wrong if you think my reverts were disruptive coz I was just following WP:CRYSTALBALL which does state that dates are not definite until the event actually takes place. ManaliJain (talk) 13:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

And @Pri2000: about what you said that you're doing this for months and no one noticed and suddenly you got noticed and all, why are you upset about it that someone did notice your unconstructive edits. Your yesterday's edits were wrong and you did realize it and apologized for it, right? Then why are you creating a mess instead of speaking the brutal true facts that actually happened? ManaliJain (talk) 13:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ManaliJain see that report which you created. I clearly said I accept my mistake. And I accepted everything that I just update episode counts on the basis of Hotstar app. Not storyline. I update storyline after several days when it actually happens. Like I updated today which happened on episode aired on 17th February. However I was waiting to update it to get a confirmation interview from Anagha Bhosale. And when today it arrived I updated it. But you complained that I updated storyline. Please see your words too. What you said in report and what I did actually Pri2000 (talk) 14:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@AAhap36 @ManaliJain @Pri2000, I am assuming this dispute is regarding this edit [1] added by Pri and removed by Manali. This is an absolute waste of everyone's time. The number of episodes can be updated based on OTT even if it is not broadcasted on TV yet. This is such a trivial matter. Focus on other more important things that need improvements. Venkat TL (talk) 14:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ManaliJain Your report on WP:AIV was not appropriate. This is not vandalism, neither this is spam. This is a content dispute, and it should be discussed on this talk page. Please read WP:DR. Venkat TL (talk) 14:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: Actually it all started from here (yesterday) [2]. And not just on this Anupamaa one, but the editor did it on almost 10 pages yesterday and if you want me to give you all the links for them then sure I can do that. ManaliJain (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes ofcourse it is trivial but if we editors start avoiding trivial disruption like this than all the other users and even IPs would start their trivial editing which would eventually end up into massive vandalism, unconstruction and disruption on Wikipedia. Either minor/trivial or major, if there's any disruptive edit(s), than it should be considered rather than avoiding it. ManaliJain (talk) 14:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL I agreed on that report too that I just edit episode counts on the basis of Hotstar nothing else. You are free to scroll my whole editing history. You'll find out that I never updated story on the base of app. Even I mentioned this thing in report too. And when I'm accepting what I did even apologised for the same then what was the need to file report and in false claims of editing plot Pri2000 (talk) 14:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

No one reported you for editing the plot, please get your facts cleared before justifying yourself. ManaliJain (talk) 14:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ManaliJain No need to give all the ten page diffs. I understand the crux of the matter. Lets focus on why you think that is inappropriate. The latest number of episodes is shown based on whatever media it is available. I dont see anything wrong in Pri's edit here. Venkat TL (talk) 14:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

At present, it is fine. Nothing's wrong. It all started yesterday i.e. 6th of March where she updated all the soap opera's episodes to today's date i.e. 7th of March, as I mentioned above. It is wrong according to me because that act doesn't pass WP:CRYSTALBALL. ManaliJain (talk) 14:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ManaliJain and here lies the problem. This is not WP:CRYSTALBALL, as you are accusing Pri to be violating. That line in the infobox, gives the reader Number of episodes of this Soap that exists. (It does not mention Number of Episodes on TV, No. of episodes on OTT etc) It just says number of episodes. So if @Pri2000 is adding the most upto date number of episodes based on OTT. There is nothing wrong in that. Large number of viewers see soaps on OTT nowadays. Venkat TL (talk) 14:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

In general, I'll agree with Venkat TL's view on this. The important part is that it WAS actually broadcast, somewhere. OTT vs "regular" is something that's gotten more interesting over the past couple of years as more channels have introduced OTT systems where more and more content is released early. My view is that whether its OTT or satellite, it counts as being broadcast. I understand where the difference in view comes from as industry is shifting from online distribution being something only for back catalogs to becoming a primary release channel. I'm VERY glad this went to the talk page discussion and in general has been pretty civil and respectful. Kudos to all participants and to Venkat TL for their well-written thoughts. Ravensfire (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

With these two briefs about the matter by Venkat TL and Ravensfire respectively, I confess that now I've understood the misconception about this particular topic and I thank both the editors for giving clarity on this misapprehension and hence I acknowledge my self-awareness and self-restraint in regard to this discussion. I sincerely apologize Pri2000 for bothering regarding this matter but I'm glad that it did got pointed out, coz what isn't worth knowing here? Also, compliments to AAhap36 for willingly participating. Thanks, happy editing! ManaliJain (talk) 16:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I am happy to see that this is resolved. Glad to know my comments have helped everyone. In future please use Talk page more than Edit Summaries. In case the dispute goes to advanced stages, then the edit summaries are not counted as discussion. Admin help should be sought only as a last resort. The steps of WP:DR resolve most situations. Venkat TL (talk) 17:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• People dont need to take every policy/guideline to its literal word. WP:Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. We have to use our common sense, and sometimes we have to ignore rules for the greater good. In this case, the episodes were actually filmed, processed, and broadcast. The platform is immaterial as long as there is a reliable source corroborating the release of episodes. This is not a violation of WP:CRYSTALBALL either. Happy editing! —usernamekiran (talk) 21:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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Spelling - Show name and titular character

The show is spelt Anupama, and not Anupamaa. On all OTT platforms, Star Plus' official channel on YouTube, other official pages on social media, and in news publications. Nowehere is it spelt with a doulbe 'a'. Please correct it or corroborate with official sources where it is spelt with a double 'a'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronakshah1990 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Addition of New Reccuring Cast Member

Please add Moti Baa Character under recurring cast section. Reference is provided below https://www.serialgossip.com/news-73258-a— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.92.43.170 (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@103.92.43.170 It can't be done because she even doesn't appear in archieved footage from it's prequel series Anupama: Namaste America unlike the kids portraying kid versions of Samar and Paritosh whose clip from archieved footage was used in one of the recent episodes. Moreover Serial Gossips isn't an reliable source. Please read WP:ICTFSOURCES for it. Pri2000 (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 27 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There exists consensus that the common name in English-language reliable secondary sources is the one ending "aa" and that those sources are not adopting the name ending "ma". (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:40, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Anupamaa → Anupama (TV series) – The OTT platform streaming the show states 'Anupama' as the spelling of the name. Also in the video clip uploaded by the verified Facebook page of StarPlus spells the name 'Anupama'. So I think it should be changed. Shinnosuke15, 09:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

From a WP:COMMONNAME perspective, what's the spelling used in reliable sources? I did a super quick scan, and it seems that many sources use the "aa" spelling over "a", including some fairly recent sources. Ravensfire (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

This [3] is offcial brodcast of the show which uses Anupama as title The Chaos of Stars (talk) 16:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@Shinnosuke15 even I agree with Ravensfire that all reliable sources use "Anupamaa" instead of "Anupama" which is used in prequel series Anupama: Namaste America . Even link to Disney+ Hotstar has same name used. Pri2000 (talk) 19:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

There isn't mentioned about different spelling of a same name in WP:COMMONNAME. There are some examples, all of them mention completely different name, not different spelling of a same name. Moreover, the show is in Hindi language, so for the English title, I think 'Anupama' should be taken. Also, primary sources available on verified social media sites and official streaming site should be considered most reliable as my thought. Shinnosuke15, 23:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. No evidence that English sources more commonly use this other spelling. Andrewa (talk) 09:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Should we make a separate "Story Arcs" section instead of "Plot" section

@ManaliJain:,@Ravensfire:,@Venkat TL: I want to ask you if we should make a "Story Arcs" section instead of "Plot" as plot have word limit restrictions and plot under those restrictions can't define whole story as it's around 600 episodes. So should we make "Story Arcs" section by taking help from pages like TMKOC and Yeh Hai Chahatein which have well defined story Arcs sections as both of them have 3000+ and 700+ episodes respectively. As I think it would be more easier for a viewer to get a clear consensus if storyline which is extremely condensed at several places. Pri2000 (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000 thanks for starting a thread to discuss this. I think something needs to be done. The plot has become too large. Normally such large sections are split into multiple subsections. Since there are approx 500 episodes. It is better to split it into 5 subsections of 100 episodes each. Story arc cannot be made now because it will be tough to split it into small episode groups. I personally do not prefer having a story arc, like TMKOC. You can name the subsections as Episodes 1-100, Episodes 101-200 and so on. Venkat TL (talk) 16:22, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL:thankyou so much for suggesting this as the current episode number is 581 and as a regular viewer since Day 1 I almost know whole story In particular 100 Episodic section wise also and as tabular form also. So should we divide it in sections in tabular format or regular format??? Pri2000 (talk) 16:30, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

For now, split into 6 subsections first. When you are done, ping this thread and we can take a look and decide on further splitting depending on how it looks. I believe it would be sufficient. Venkat TL (talk) 16:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: thankyou so much. I'll do it this till tomorrow. Pri2000 (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: I'm not able to ping this discussion. But I made the changes according to the discussion discussed in this thread. Please check it and inform is it okay or needs improvement. Pri2000 (talk) 21:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Pinging the discussion means pinging the participants. I see that the plot has been summarized and shortened. I cannot comment on the correctness, will assume good faith. On the length of the plot this is much better. With this shortened length in paragraphs, I think, there is no more need to add subsections to the plot section. Thank you. Venkat TL (talk) 05:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Biz Asia: A reliable source or a non-reliable one?

@Venkat TL:, @ManaliJain: I want to ask you both if Biz Asia is a reliable source or a non reliable one as The Chaos of Stars removed UK Ratings assuming that Biz Asia is a non-reliable source So I reverted his edit and thought of starting a thread here to verify if it's reliable or a non-reliable one. If it's non-reliable then can we remove UK Ratings?? Pri2000 (talk) 11:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I dont know. Let @The Chaos of Stars reply. If there is no consensus, post a comment on WP:RSN and link it from WP:ICTF Venkat TL (talk) 11:37, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

As per WP:ICTFSOURCES any blog should not be considered reliable source and biz Asia seems to be blog. The Chaos of Stars (talk) 11:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@The Chaos of Stars: WP:ICTFSOURCES also doesn't include Biz Asia in blog segment. So I think you should do what Venkat TL suggested and ping the participants of this discussion Pri2000 (talk) 12:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Biz Asia hasn't been included as a reliable source on WP:ICTFSOURCES plus it's non-notable too. What's the verifiability of it being reliable or notable? I've been considering it as a non-reliable reference since long back. ManaliJain (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: thanks for clearing this confusion. As I neither found it in reliable source nor in blogs. So there was a confusion regarding the same. Thanks for this help. Can we remove UK Ratings as a part of consensus for this discussion thread??? Pri2000 (talk) 13:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Biz Asia has been a confusion for many. ManaliJain (talk) 14:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

If there are any other source(s) that can be used to refer UK's ratings, then you can replace the particular citations. You can ping any other editor(s) for more clarity, if you want. Thanks, happy editing! ManaliJain (talk) 14:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Several Issues that need Work/Restructure

Per a recent edit revert, the edit, that referred to archived discussions on the way information is presented in this article, I found that conclusion inconsistent with the Wikipedia, Television, or Soap Opera Manual of Styles, which should supersede, and am reviving that conversation to bring a master cleanup tag on this article. I was passing by on this article to glean information and it looks like word soup. There are serious formatting and length related issues that are not being addressed.

Examples of Problems:

• There is a premise and plot sections, but the premise is too limited and the plot is too lengthy instead of being truncated or split. This is not accepted convention in the Manual of Style.
• The cast list is way too detailed for an average reader and should be trimmed for notability and/or branched to a new page. See What Wikipedia Is Not page.
• The ratings section has no real detail on viewership totals or variance context other than 1 to 10 rankings, with over citation, which results in too much detail in a space inefficient format and should be converted to prose to convey meaningful trends due to length of daily soap operas, or at the very least table be switched to monthly ratings averages.
• The article could also undergo a general once over for copy edits. Mjhtcarfan (talk) 17:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree. The problems are mostly due to one editor. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 06:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)