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Latest comment: 7 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I removed every instance where Albert Cashier was deadnamed in the article, according to Wikipedia's rules about gender identity.
There is still a lot of deadnaming in the sources, mainly because of the articles/books about him didn't care deadnaming at the time.
What should be done about this ? Captaintorche (talk) 06:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi, Captaintorche, and welcome to Wikipedia! You did the right thing by starting this discussion. In controversial issues like this, on controversial topics, like this one, stepping carefully and following all Wikipedia policies and guidelines scrupulously is of the essence. I've reverted your edit at the article for the time being, until this discussion can play out. For starters, please read WP:CONSENSUS and MOS:GENDERID. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 08:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 4 months ago6 comments5 people in discussion
There is this ridiculous sentence in this article's starting section, which I've copied below;
"Cashier became famous as one of at least 250 soldiers who were assigned female at birth and enlisted as men to fight in the Civil War"
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What exactly is the meaning of the sentence 'assigned female at birth' supposed to insinuate, and how is it, according to a certain user who reverted my amendment of this sentence to a simple and grammatically correct 'female' supposed to be 'proper grammar'? What is grammatically correct about saying "assigned female at birth" as opposed to "female"? Sormando (talk) 09:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
"Cashier became famous as one of at least 250 soldiers who female and enlisted as men..." is absolutely incorrect. Further, the language is stable in the article: not only has it been in place since early 2019, but it is also mentioned at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity. —C.Fred (talk) 13:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
The article has been edited in accordance with your complaints, it now states, in grammatically corrected language;
Cashier became famous as one of at least 250 female soldiers who enlisted as menSormando (talk) 05:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
The term assigned female at birth is standard terminology in the field; you can read about it at the article sex assignment. I don't see any consensus for your desired change yet, and consequently have undone your change of 05:14, 12 November, pending further discussion. A core policy of Wikipedia is to get agreement among collaborating editors for changes, and we are not there yet. Please get a clear consensus before making further changes of this sort. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
"Assigned female at birth" does not equal "female". Sormando, you have a lot to learn about gender identity. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 16:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
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