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Irish names for historical figuresEdit

Over the last month, Fergananim has moved a ton of articles on Irish historical figures to what he calls the "correct form of name". Thus Rory O'Moore was moved to Ruairí Ó Mórdha, despite the English form being used virtually exclusively in history books. Worse, when he sees a need for disambiguation, he makes up a crazy long name, so Rory O'More becomes Ruairí Óg mac Ruairí Caoch Ó Mórdha. Can somebody with some expertise (I regognised those two names but not the others) check the articles and see if, as I suspect, they've all been wrongly moved? Scolaire (talk) 09:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I've noticed this too and reverted some of them. This is deplorable. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
This happened at least twice before with this editor (once each in 2017 and 2018, I think), but they showed an apparent willingness to listen on their Talk page, so I'd be disappointed if it's started again. There was also a problem or two with categorisation. They also acknowledged themselves not to be an expert on Gaeilge.SeoR (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Special:Log/Fergananim shows something like 1,000 page moves dating back to 2006. That includes talk page moves, and sometimes he changes his mind after moving and changes it to something worse, but it's still close to 500 articles affected over a 13-year period. I, too, raised objections in 2011 at Talk:Rory O'Moore and Talk:Rory O'More, and since I wasn't reverted I thought he had copped himself on. Since both of you seem to agree that none of the moves were justified, we need somebody with a bot – and possibly admin powers in some cases – to undo all those changes. I'm not sure how to proceed. Raise it at WP:AN? --Scolaire (talk) 12:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I'd do that, if only to procure a warning. You might ask for a topic-ban on page moves, or undiscussed ones - perhaps he should propose them here first. I think there are tools to identify & relatively quickly clean these up. Ideally though, someone should check if his gaelic name versions are correct - it sounds as if not all are. Johnbod (talk) 12:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I have raised it here. --Scolaire (talk) 12:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Probably nothing else we can do - I had no idea that the numbers were in 4 digits, or went back so far. It is a pity, as some of this editor's work is good, and well-based on scholarship. But as with another discussion lately, makey-upey Irish is not helping the language, or Wikipedia's readers, and does need to be called out.SeoR (talk) 15:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

South Derry Independent Republican UnitEdit

I have nominated this article for deletion, the discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Derry Independent Republican Unit. Mountain Battles (talk) 16:32, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Gaelic games for deletionEdit

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Gaelic games is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Gaelic games until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 01:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Shane O'Neill (son of Conn) listed at Requested movesEdit

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Shane O'Neill (son of Conn) (the Shane O'Neill) to be moved to Shane O'Neill, with the latter moving to Shane O'Neill (disambiguation). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion at Talk:Shane O'Neill (son of Conn)#Requested move 28 May 2019. --Scolaire (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposed move of Shane O'Neill (son of Conn)Edit

The above move request having failed, I am proposing to move the article to Shane O'Neill (Irish chieftain). Again, comments or alternative proposals would be welcome. The discussion is at Talk:Shane O'Neill (son of Conn)#Informal move proposal 31 May 2019. --Scolaire (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

John Keogh, Irish civil/human rights activistEdit

We tend to associate civil rights activist and human rights activist with modern times, but while looking at this article it struck me that such terms do apply to many such past people. Yet the terms, or at least chronologically appropriate ones, are not present for vast swathes of such Irish people. So, I am going to add these categories to this article, but if unsuitable or if they can be replaced by more appropriate ones, please edit accordingly. However I would argue that basic civil and human rights are the same, then and now. Fergananim (talk) 13:12, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. If pursuing this, please avoid OR and SYNTH (ie: if other/reliable sources haven't described these subjects as "rights activists", then Wikipedia shouldn't). And also consider LISTN (ie: if other/reliable sources haven't listed or grouped these subjects under a common banner, then Wikipedia shouldn't). Guliolopez (talk) 13:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay, good points. I would counter that by pointing out his actual activities fall under those headings, as told by the article itself. Which I presume is based on reliable sources! Given the rather massive amount of Irish people who during the 17th-19th centuries were involved in such activities, I am wary of editing any other articles on the same basis without discussion among editors. Fergananim (talk) 13:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
There is no need to load up the categories this way. You have added him to Category:Irish activists and that is fine; several of the other people in that category were contemporaries of his. The other two are anachronistic, and contain only 20th-century people and people still living. We don't "tend to associate" the terms with modern times; they belong to modern times. The categories are also superfluous, being respectively a subcategory and a subcategory of the subcategory. I am removing them per your invitation above. Scolaire (talk) 15:00, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
John Keogh currently says "political activist" in the lead, which I think is fine. I agree about the other categories. Johnbod (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Geraldine Weir-Rogers v. Sf Trust Ltd for deletionEdit

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether Geraldine Weir-Rogers v. Sf Trust Ltd is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geraldine Weir-Rogers v. Sf Trust Ltd until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 21:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

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