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Irish articles assessed by quality

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Looking for a book

I can't find it on Google or Amazon. It's cited in another book and I'm wondering if anyone here can help (will crosspost to WT:MILHIST). I don't have a publisher or author's full name, let alone an ISBN; here are the details given in the book:

• D. Fitzpatrick, Ireland and the First World War (Dublin, 1986), specifically the chapter "Lest we forget" by J. Leonard, pp. 59-67.

I'm happy to buy a copy but I'd appreciate any help in tracking one down! Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell: It's listed on Worldcat with the ISBN but I can't say where there is a holding you can get to because they only show those within 200km of my location. So check it yourself but you can buy it through bookfinder's results. ww2censor (talk) 23:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Ww2censor thank you! Ive ordered a copy. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Resolved

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Problems with Irish cross-border roads

You may be interested in this discussion about cross-border roads in Ireland - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highways#Problems with Irish cross-border roads. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:12, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Combatants in Irish battles

I've just noticed that IP 79.68.248.147 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has recently changed the combatants in the articles of almost every battle in Ireland. These would all need looked at, and I'd say most of them would need to be undone. This kind of thing has happened before on a smaller scale. Obviously for internal conflicts we shouldn't call the Kingdom of Ireland simply "Ireland" or "Irish", since it was an English/British dependency, nor should we call the Irish Confederation simply "Ireland".

We need to be consistent in how we refer to the Lordship and Kingdom of Ireland in conflicts against the Gaelic Irish. – Asarlaí ^(talk) 10:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Black Irish (ethnic group)

This article could use some eyes and input. It focuses on a theory that I'm unfamiliar with and wonder if it's not WP:FRINGE. I'm most familiar with the phrase Black Irish as described at the disambig page. See Talk:Black Irish#Most prominent definition belongs up top as well, as the editor who is working on the ethnicity article wants to move it to: Black Irish (genealogy), which I do not support and seems very odd to me. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 18:36, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

New articles on presidencies

Hi all, a few days ago I noticed that BreadSuperFan36 created the articles Presidency of Mary McAleese and Presidency of Michael D. Higgins. The account is new, has logged 25 total edits, and the Michael D article (in userspace first) is it's first edit.

The reason I'm bringing these to your attention is that I think they might be AI generated articles. To post a whopping 85,000 bytes in two days is no mean feat, and though certainly possible, seems dubious enough to me before even looking at the articles themselves. They feel... off in some way. Neither article uses print sources. They use a lot of subheadings, most very short. The Michael D. article doesn't mention he's the incumbent. Both Higgins and McAleese have "Independent" listed as their party affiliations in the infobox, something which I don't believe was true for either of them? (Could be wrong, just don't know). To me it really seems like a legacy marker from the Robinson article.

Also just to be clear that I'm not trying to argue that they shouldn't exist: I myself created and wrote the majority of Presidency of Mary Robinson and honestly all of our past-presidents probably deserve an article. They just definitely need a looking over. Xx78900 (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

IMPORTANT UPDATE These articles are definitely AI generated: none of the source links are real. As much as I would prefer to see the articles kept and edited properly, at present they are blatant breaches of WP:BLP and need to be speedy deleted. Will report now.Xx78900 (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay so I clearly lost the run of myself last night, apologies. None of the links worked for me and I thought it was all fake, but they're working for me this morning... no idea what happened there. The original point still stands though, both of these articles need some serious attention. Xx78900 (talk) 06:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Xx78900: I noticed these too and wondered why would we need two article that essentially cover all the same information as their own biographic articles. Any additional prose could easily be added there. I have no opinion on the possible AI creation but for the length of these articles to be posted all at once would likely require quite a lot of offline work when many editors use their own sandboxes. Their sandbox use was a virtually complete post of what went not the article with just 1 edit for Mary McAleese. I'd like to see more opinions. ww2censor (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)