Talk:2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup

Auto qualifiers

@Lugnuts: Thanks for setting this up. I think the automatic qualifiers may be based on performances at the 2020 T20 World Cup rather than t20i rankings, given the short time between tournaments and probable lack of global qualifier. Bs1jac (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Next cycle of T20 world cups

@Lugnuts: It's alright if it is not needed to mention about the next T20 world cup after the one in 2022, but it is already confirmed that the next T20 world cups will be held in 2024, 2026, 2028 and 2030. Thanks! [1] Arka 92 00:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Version of tournament that this is a rearrangement of

As per Talk:2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup and sources used on this page, this is a rearrangement of the 2020 T20 World Cup, not the 2021 version that was left in its original timeslot. 11:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Qualified

@Lugnuts: Arent the 8 existing teams in super 12 of this year's wc automatically qualified for this one? It says top 12 teams but those 8 teams cannot go any lower than that. Human (talk) 15:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, you're right. I was being a bit cautious with all things COVID-related, and assuming that the tournament including the Super12 phase happens! I will update. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: this source says there are 8 teams in automatic qualication but this page shows 10 as automatically qualified teams. What to do. Chinakpradhan (talk) 06:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Eight teams have qualified directly to the Super12, plus the next four who made the 2021 Super12 phase - IE 12 teams. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:21, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

PNG relegation to Global qualifier

@Lugnuts:, @Bs1jac: as PNG have lost their 2 matches and winning the 3rd will not help them to advance to Super 12. So i have added PNG to Global Qualifier teams section. Should I wait for 3rd match and revert the edit or let it be? bcoz, their 3rd match will not effect their advancement to Super 12 as such due to points. Aditya tamhankar (Aditya tamhankar) 19th October 2021, 20:06 (IST)

PNG can still qualify if Bangladesh win today and they beat Bangladesh too. Best wait until everything is confirmed. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Automatic Super 12 qualifications

The ranking for automatic qualification in the tournament exclude the host country. But automatic qualification in the super 12 round includes the host country. A country must automatically qualify for the tournament as host nation, it is 100% true. But the nation will not automatically qualify for super 12 round as host nation. The host nation also should be higher ranked to automatically qualify for super 12 round. For example, Bangladesh hosted 2014 ICC World Twenty20, but Bangladesh didn't automatically qualify for Super 10 round, they started the tournament from the first stage. They further qualify for Super 10 by topping the Group A in the first stage. So Super 12 section in this 2022 edition Wikipedia page should be correct. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Agree, and [2] supports this: From the 12 automatic qualifiers for next year's tournament – the 12 teams that made the Super 12 this year – eight will go straight through to the Super 12. Those eight teams are hosts Australia, England, India, Pakistan, New Zealand, South Africa, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. They went through as top 8, not because they were hosts (Oman and UAE didn't get Super 12 spots after taking up hosting after all). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph2302:, you can't give example of Oman and UAE. Because only the hosting venues were in UAE and Oman, but the hosting right was retained to India. So logically India hosted the 2021 event, not UAE and Oman. You can know it by searching in Google. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY (talk) 07:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Nope, BCCI hosted it, but the event was actually in UAE/Oman, so calling India a host is disingenuous. Also, not sure why you're arguing with me when I'm literally agreeing with you about Australia. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, Lugnuts I see you've changed it back to "7 teams plus host" rather than "top 8 teams". But ICC says: The automatic qualifiers for the Super 12 stage were determined to be the winner and runner-up of the current T20 World Cup, alongside the next six highest ranking teams on the MRF Tyres ICC Men’s T20I rankings at the cut-off date of 15 November. i.e. Australia reached the Super 12 by winning the 2021 competition, not because they are the host. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: - apologies, missed that with the revert of the last batch of edits. I think it's fixed now! Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph2302:, Thanks for supporting me. I say I'm neither arguing nor fighting with you. I've just given information about host information. Nothing else. I've given link below. [3] SAIKAT MARINERS DEY (talk) 14:19, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

First round groups for the Global Qualifiers

Hi. Please can the editors who keep adding Ireland and the UAE into the various first round groups please cite their source(s) for this? The latest ICC press release makes no mention of which Global Qualifer team will be in which group. Just to clarify what the release states:

• "In the First Round, 2014 champions Sri Lanka and Namibia will play the opening match .... They'll be joined by two qualifiers in Group A" - it doesn't say which qualifiers.

• "In the Super 12, hosts Australia are in Group 1 with world number one England, New Zealand, Afghanistan plus the winner of Group A and the runner-up in Group B from the First Round". These are the winner and runner-up from the First Round of THIS tournament, not the Global Qualifers.

Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Sources now found, which show the groups where the other way round from the recent edits. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Scoring system

Please note that since the tournament is held in Australia, the scores in this article should be written in the Australian style of wickets/runs (e.g. 2/175) per the long-standing practice of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Style advice. StAnselm (talk) 03:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@StAnselm: Thats not always the case. The scores were written in the normal style at the 2015 Cricket World Cup since it's an ICC event. Human (talk) 12:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

On that page the consensus was wickets before runs, not because it was an ICC event, but because New Zealand was co-hosting it: see Talk:2015 Cricket World Cup/Archive 1#Wickets before runs. StAnselm (talk) 14:44, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Human, User:StAnselm As Human said, the scores would be in normal style. Ref: 1992 Cricket World Cup, 1988 Youth Cricket World Cup, 2012 Under-19 Cricket World Cup and most recently 2020 ICC Women's T20 World Cup. All these were hosted by Australia as only host. Kirubar (talk) 17:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

There isn't always consistency across articles: 2006–07 Commonwealth Bank Series has runs/wickets, while 2011–12 Commonwealth Bank Series has wickets/runs. So what other articles doesn't necessarily mean very much. But I'd be happy to say that World Cups should have runs/wickets even though Tri-series have wickets/runs. I just thought it would be good to clear about it before the tournament starts, so we don't have edit warring once it begins. StAnselm (talk) 20:24, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

You have the answer in your question. Only for tri and bilateral series, that inconsistency follows. But those series that I quoted above, all are ICC tournaments and runs/wickets followed there. With you and IMO, following the runs/wickets will be apt. Waiting for others consensus. Kirubar (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Notes of the match between Nambia and UAE

Can we mention in the notes that it is first t20 win for UAE in t20 world cup? Rajeshwarr Singh (talk) 20:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done StAnselm (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Top 8

How is the top 8 determined? The next world cup states top 8 from super 12 of this tournament qualifies automatically. But I didn't find how this top 8 ranking will be determined. Human (talk) 21:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Not 100% sure, but think it is top 4 in each Super 12 group. Moedk (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Moedk: Sure but what if a team that is at number 5 from a group has more points than a team in number 4 of another group? How are top 8 determined then? Human (talk) 03:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@A Simple Human I don't think it matters, it's still top 4 in each group, can't find any information on it, just had a quick look in the tournaments playing conditions but it doesn't mention it. I'm taking this from Bertus de Jong, who usually has a good grasp of this. Moedk (talk) 06:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

It's at the bottom of this ICC guide to 2024 - top 4 in each Super 12 Group. link110.33.28.251 (talk) 09:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Broadcasting

Keep I think the, Broadcasting section should be in this article. Its important info and ICC web also have table in their article, I have reliable source. You can't say that, the previous editions article don't have this sect, so don't include. If previous ed article don't have that doesn't mean, this article should not Broadcasting section.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 06:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm a very mild no, though not hugely bothered by it. Many other similar events have broadcasting sections, but it does seem to be a case of WP:NOTDIRECTORY / WP:NOTADVERT, which states that Wikipedia articles about a person, company or organization are not an extension of their website, press releases, or other social media marketing efforts, so I'd hope to use a source that isn't the ICC, as that is not independent of the tournament itself). Spike 'em (talk) 09:55, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Spike 'em:, As you said, I provided a secondary sources: Wisden. I don't know your cric fan or not but for lots of people around the world, search for the telecasting network in their country to watch events, if they don't know. Lots of articles have BC table, as you said. There is no harm to keep it, no copyvio, I written it myself. Bye good day.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 05:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

But Wikipedia is not a TV guide. Spike 'em (talk) 10:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Spike 'em:, So the other articles also but we have reliable secondry source and section raising info value of the article and as cricket fan it feels very nice to see covarage of the sport we love. Other imp articles have such sections such as La Liga, IPL articles, I'm following these big tournament articles. I really don't like to come back and forth, in this revert thing, Its good to keep it.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 15:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into a revert war over it, but I don't see the point of WP being to promote any particular subject, nor to act as a TV guide or a newspaper. These articles are going to be around for many years, so should focus on the long-term coverage of the event rather than some rather transitory details that won't be of any interest to people in 6 months time. Spike 'em (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. If there was secondary coverage of the tournament's broadcast and the networks that had signed up to take it, that would be one matter, but if all we're doing is listing the channels where people in each country can watch the tournament, that's a violation of WP:TVGUIDE, IMO. – PeeJay 15:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@PeeJay:, There is lots of coverage of broadcasters online, atleast Indian, Aussie channels. You just search one time you'll understand.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 16:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Or maybe you could present the evidence you claim exists. It's not my responsibility to go looking for evidence that proves your point. – PeeJay 16:30, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@PeeJay: After Ping you and before reading your message, I added refs.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 16:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Eliminated?

Can a team be eliminated from the Super12s if they then play another game. Surely they are eliminated from semi-final contention. 110.33.28.251 (talk) 09:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree. The previous tournament just said "Eliminated as a result..." but even that is slightly problematic as they may still play another game. Spike 'em (talk) 11:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Not Out column in most runs

I think we should include not out column in most runs section of this page, 2019 cricket world cup has it also 2022 Asia cup Rajeshwar Singh (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2022

Under Statistics section, change Virat Kohli's average from 55 to 220. 55 is runs per innings, but the average is total runs divided by innings where the player got out. So in Virat's case, currently the average is 220.

Source : https://www.t20worldcup.com/tournament-stats/best-batting-average Anand.ramrakhyani7 (talk) 16:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

 Question: I have no clue about cricket in general; it seems like 220 is much higher than the other players', is that correct? Actualcpscm (talk) 19:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

At the time it was correct: cricket batting average is number of runs divided by number of dismissals (rather than number of innings). It is possible to have a run of innings where a player does not get out in any/many of them which distorts the average somewhat. Kohli had been dismissed a couple more times now and the table updated, but his average is still higher than any of his individual scores. Spike 'em (talk) 19:53, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Also needs a note that Zimbabwe were eliminated as a result of the Pakistan v Bangladesh match. 110.33.28.251 (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

seems the article has been updated to show this already (possibly by me!). Spike 'em (talk) 19:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup warm-up matches into 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup

The tournament warm-up matches are not notable enough for a separate article, as they weren't even proper T20 internationals, as they allowed more than 11 players on the field. As such, they do not generate the level of sustained coverage to pass WP:GNG, and so best for the content to be selectively merged into the main World Cup article- like we do for the 50 over Cricket World Cup Joseph2302 (talk) 11:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

They look more like candidates for deletion. Failing that merge. Desertarun (talk) 12:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Support. I would think they warrant only a brief mention in the tournament article. BcJvs | talk UTC 13:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

The previous four tournaments have separate pages for the warm-up matches, why change it now? Virreoh (talk) 10:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:OSE, also have suggested merge for the 2021 warm up matches too (separately). The tournament warm-up matches are not notable enough for a separate article in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment to delete the article about the warm-up matches based on WP:GNG, and that a blurb in the background section of this article could be added instead. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done I did not nominate the merged article for deletion per WP:MERGETEXT. It seems like this issue might exist for previous years of this series, and could be looked into as well. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

lead section

Should summarise the important parts in the rest of the article, not detail minor facts from single matches. Spike 'em (talk) 14:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Warm Up matches

Could the warm up matches please be re-instated? Anthonylopresti1 (talk) 00:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I have already reinstated the warm up matches. If you think I made any mistake, please inform me.

Thank You Purnendu Bhowmik Shuvro (talk) 14:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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